YTSEJAM Digest 5089
Today's Topics:
1) New IRC page
by irene7@ameritech.net
2) No spoilers here!
by Scarred2112@aol.com
3) Check out this online CD store!!!
by Jordan Baker <bakerman@the-bridge.net>
4) really should have caught a ballgame over the weekend
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
5) Re: I Love Synth Arguments
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
6) Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
7) Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
8) color me confused
by rockercat <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
9) Re: DT's first single
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
10) Chris and Al's excellent adventure.
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
11) Pissed Off.............
by 09E@a304.navy.gov.au
12) CD player speed variations
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) One more thing
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
14)
by ytsejam-manager@axnet.net
15) A Mind Beside Itself (NOT A DT99 POST!) :)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
16) LOOKOUT SPOILER
by "Bill Huston" <HUSTON@iomega.com>
17) Re: THINK PEOPLE
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
18) DT Interviews
by Yes0001@aol.com
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5088
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
20) No Spoilers here!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
21) Re: Spoilers and Stuff (SPOILER WARNING)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:57:10 -0400
From: irene7@ameritech.net
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: New IRC page
Message-ID: <19990929025444.BWUZ25013.mailhost.det.ameritech.net@metropolis>
Hi everyone,
Since Mark decided to take down the #ytsejam IRC page I have created a new
one. It is almost done, I just need to get more pictures and bios from
those who would like to be added. When I get those, I will get it up on
the net and let you know!
This page is obviously for the regulars on #ytsejam so if you are and if
you're interested send a JPG at no larger than 200 x 200 pixels along with
a short bio and let me know if you'd like your URL and or email linked.
Send this to dt_irc@ameritech.net. Thanks!
Irene
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:54:59 EDT
From: Scarred2112@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: No spoilers here!
Message-ID: <8721800a.2522d983@aol.com>
CyberDuke - The movie you described is "Love Affair" ('94). It is a remake
of "An Affair to Remember." Amazon.com says the soundtrack is available
(don't know if this is music or the score), but I cannot confirm this as
their site is down right now.
"Richi"- What's wrong with professional wrestling?
Content that everyone is off my ass,
(just kidding- actually, everyone that backed me, thanks)
*scarred*
[They Closed Wolf's Deli? - JM]
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:58:19 -0500
From: Jordan Baker <bakerman@the-bridge.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Check out this online CD store!!!
Message-ID: <37F1804A.90FCD7EF@the-bridge.net>
Go to www.cdon.com if you want to see the FULL title of the new DT
album. I guess I should warn that this could be considered spoiler
material. Here's the direct link.
http://www.cdon.com/SE/product.phtml?id=117052
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:26:00 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: really should have caught a ballgame over the weekend
Message-ID: <19990929032600.76497.qmail@hotmail.com>
>We know there are some people so influenced by the media. I have >some
>advice for people who don't want to experiment and judge on >their own
>whether they like it or not: GET A BACKBONE! THINK >INDEPENDENTLY! YOU ARE
>HERE BECAUSE YOU LIKE DT!
and are we not allowed to decide for ourselves WHEN we want to partake in
that particular experiment? after all, we're so goddamn independent that
because we like this one band, we all subscribe to this list?
You want independence, why don't YOU do something truly shocking....go stalk
Portnoy, or Labrie, and get the details straight from the guys
themselves.....I'll call you in prison for the details......
(man, I'm in a feisty mood these past coupla days.....guess the closing of
Tiger Stadium is really getting to me)
partha
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:27:30 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: I Love Synth Arguments
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990929032141.16196B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
Well, I own both a Kurzweil K2000 and a Korg Triton 61-key. They are
both magnificent keyboards, but they're better at different things. The
Kurz, for example, does WONDERFUL real-world sounds, like pipe organs and
guitars and such, and pianos for that matter. The Distortion DSP in the
Kurzweil sucks REALLY badly. It has some good synthy sounds from the
factory, which you can beef up if you know what you're doing with the
sound editors, but they're tough to really tweak so that they're mad crazy
full and beefy.
The Triton is a beast as far a synth sounds go. It does really good
Electric Pianos and Keyboards sounds, and has a nice piano, but doesn't
compete with Kurz as far as realistic sounds. However, all you have to do
is take a repeating waveform sample, distort it, chorus it, phase it,
decimate it, and add a touch of noise. You them run it through the
7-band graphic EQ and a litte reverb, and you have a PHAT synth sound.
As far as master controllers go, I think I would go with a K2500, but I
would never use that as my ONLY instrument, just because it is tougher to
do, well, "cool" stuff with it. It's more of a utility board. But it
does the utility thing better than anything I've ever seen.
Of course, all this stuff is gonna go out the window when the CD comes
out and Jordan (the best keyboardist alive) whips my ass up and down with
the 2500, pulling shit out of it that I've NEVER thought of doing on mine.
Phew!
-- Bert
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:48:52 -0700
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS)
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990928234725.00998a70@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
OK, you people have to fucking relax already. I am sick of reading flames
on this list about anybody who posts anything about new DT. I guess if
somebody posted that Jordan only plays with his penis on his new Casio
ct640, somebody would flame that person getting all pissed. If what this
guy says is true and DT's new single will be added to playlists, you all
better crawl into fucking holes and not turn on yourcomputers at all, or
listen to any music, or leave your house. Close your blinds, you may see
the name of the new DT album in the fucking clouds. You people are getting
fucking ridiculous.
At 10:51 PM 9/26/99 , you wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 Scarred2112@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Here in NY, local metal show "Finger's Metal Shop" on WBAB has played
> > a song from it entitled <the name of this song has been removed to
> > prevent spoilers>.
>
>I can't believe you would do this to me. I don't care if it's been played
>on the radio, and I don't care what you might have thought, but you should
>NOT have posted that to the 'jam. If you ARE stupid enough to post info
>about the new album (such as you did by posting a song title, for which
>you will probably be banned from the list), then for God's sake, put
>(SPOILER) in the subject or something! Jesus, that's the SECOND piece of
>spoiler info I've read about because somebody didn't notify me ahead of
>time.
>
>God DAMN, this album is slowly getting to be less and less of a mystery to
>me.
>
>-------------------------------------------------
>Andrew Coutermarsh
>a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
>http://cout.dhs.org/
>Cloak on IRC
>ICQ: 2513441
>-------------------------------------------------
>The only stupid question is the one that is never
>asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about
>time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer,
>isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
>in fact, I was speeding?"
>-------------------------------------------------
-- Damon Fibraio dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:54:22 -0700 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: New DT released to radio (NO SPOILERS) Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990928235234.009ad770@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Andrew, how is knowing the name of a song going to ruin the album for you? Don't you think you are getting out of hand with this closed door to new information thing? it's one thing if we posted a track list, and I saw flames on here for mentioning the album's name which is absolutely nuts. Somehow, I doubt that the band would be against publicity of any kind, whether it is a single release or not. Saying that DT did not want the songreleased is simply absurd. What band would block the free publicity of radio airplay, especially in DT's case where they get none. If stations are willing to sit up and take notice of dT, they should beg radio to play the song consistently and without relenting like they do to most other songs these days. At 11:52 PM 9/26/99 , you wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, TheCowGod wrote: > > > i am really hoping you were kidding. i dont remember what stance > > you've taken on this before, so i cant tell for sure. but if youre > > serious, god damn, man. it has been released to radio. this means that > > DT is ok with releasing this (well ok i imagine maybe elektra made > > them release a single but that track wouldnt be the best to release if > > you HAD to release one, but i wont say anymore to avoid offending > > you). i agree as far as keeping the secrecy and not spoiling, but once > > the band releases one of the tracks, i think its ok to at least hear > > the song title. i mean jesus, its like theyve created a monster... > > then once they start letting the info out the fans refuse to listen to > > it cuz they are carrying on the supposed will of their chosen deity... > > reminds me of the scene with the gourd and the shoe in monty python's > > Life of Brian :) of course, if you were kidding, then i guess ill look > > dumb in front of thousands of people. but hey, thats ok, i'm used to > > it. :) moo. > >Just because an album gets airtime on a radio station does NOT mean that >the band has OK'd it. A DJ can play an unreleased album without the >permission of the band - because that's what promo copies are about, so >that DJs and the like can hear them. > >But regardless of whether or not DT has OK'd playing the album on the >radio (which I seriously doubt), the rule simply said "no information or >even rumors about the new album until the release date - October 26th." >This means that even if there IS something done on the radio, for GOD'S >SAKE, don't talk about it here! The only way I'd feel that talking about >the album's contents was okay was if Mike himself sent a message to us >saying, "Okay, guys, you've been waiting long enough" or something and let >us in on info himself. > >Until then, regardless of what happened in real life, on the 'jam we still >aren't allowed to talk about it. He could have just told us that a DJ >played a song from the new album and he loved it. How hard is that to do? >He didn't HAVE to tell us the title of the song. > >Disclaimer: I am not flaming here - everything I have said has some kind >of factual basis and/or common sensual basis. Take everything I said at >face value. > >------------------------------------------------- >Andrew Coutermarsh >a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu >http://cout.dhs.org/ >Cloak on IRC >ICQ: 2513441 >------------------------------------------------- >"No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If >someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can >do is take out your money, and piss on it while >mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get >scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll >have to wash your money." > - Norman Calkin, on urban survival >-------------------------------------------------
-- Damon Fibraio dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:02:14 -0700 From: rockercat <cherylcat@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: color me confused Message-ID: <37F18F44.7D920F48@earthlink.net>
Ok, since when does knowing the TITLE of the cd spoil anything? Personally it tells me nothing about what the music itself is going to sound like. And now I know the title of their first single. Big fat hairy deal....like it'll get played on the radio around here anyway (earth to KLOS....get a clue!!!)
cheryl
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:12:38 -0700 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT's first single Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990929001124.009afe00@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
This is absolutely ridiculous. One guy hears a song, posts his excitement, and we freak. Itchy, God bless you, posts some info, and it is OK. What the hell is this? I feel like I am in pre 1776 america where only the privelidged can post certain items of interest here.. I have been on the Jam since 1995, and am sick. SICK. I really would almost consider unsubbing until you all grow up and pull your head out of your flaming ass. At 10:37 PM 9/27/99 , you wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Mark Bredius wrote: > > > The first single from Dream Theater's upcoming "Scenes From A Memory" > > CD is the track "HOME". It will be available to US rock radio for > > impact beginning on Monday October 11th 1999. If you'd like to hear > > it, call your local station and DEMAND it!!!! > > > > Mark Bredius > >NOW I have no problem with people talking about it! :) That's all I was >waiting for. Heh. > >------------------------------------------------- >Andrew Coutermarsh >a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu >http://cout.dhs.org/ >Cloak on IRC >ICQ: 2513441 >------------------------------------------------- >Before you criticize somebody, walk a mile in his >shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him, >you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes. >-------------------------------------------------
-- Damon Fibraio dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:29:45 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Chris and Al's excellent adventure. Message-ID: <37F1A3C9.E045FF8B@isd.net>
Al Sed:
>>>I NEVER claimed cassette was superior to ALL digital media; >>>I stated: The cassette format in it's finest form is superior to MP3's. >>>In other words: Bottom of the barrol analog is STILL superior to low-end >>>digital. The last time I used my cassette deck to record something was
Chris Oates wrote: >Come on Al, you can't say that a $1300 tape deck is "bottom of the barrel >analog" -- try a $10 walkman if you want to claim bottom of the barrel.
Lighten up on the THC intake. I never claimed the "deck" was bottom of the barrel analog. The cassette format itself is. The "deck" has the ability to extract the best possible performance from that format. Just as all CD players are NOT created equal, the same holds true for cassette decks.
>What would be more fair is to do a price to price comparison. Compare a >$100 CD player to a $100 tape deck. That will show where digital is
Can't you people follow the bouncing ball? This is NOT, nor has it ever been, a cassette vs CD argument. It was about MP3s. sheesz! BTW, most people have F A R more than $100.00 into the computer that allows them to play MP3 files. Is this sinking in?
>better, and that's where most of the people will be shopping. yes at the >high end (and I consider your "mid-fi" to be high end, since 99% of people >will never spend that kind of money) analog can be better, but most people >want practical advice on what to buy, and spending thousands of dollars on >stereo equipment is not practical for all but true audiophiles.
I am first and foremost a music lover. Being an audiophile is simply a vehicle for me to obtain the most plausible recreation of my material of choice. Spending thousands of dollars on more car than you *need* is a waste of good money, IMHO.
I think you should cozy up to some rich old hag. You could talk her into buying you the ultimate audiophile system so we can talk about something other than being practical. :) :)
The conversation would go something like this:
Chris: Al, can you hear that faint swishing sound?
Al: Yup.
Chris: What is it?
Al: That's the sound of Portnoy's snare bouncing of Petrucci's testicles and being picked up by a leaky cable on Myung's rig.
Chris: That's almost as annoying as that booger whistling in LaBrie's nose.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:13:44 +0000 From: 09E@a304.navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pissed Off............. Message-ID: <TFSJTGEI@a304.navy.gov.au>
=0D Lets put things into perspective here, Andrew is pissed off because =0D he saw some news about the new DT that he didn't want to:=0D =0D Try this for pissing one off:=0D Being on a ship with 234 other people=0D Being in a hostile envoiroment=0D Being in Dili harbour, East Timor=0D Being at sea for 43 days=0D Not stepping on land until October 31st=0D Living with 8 other guys in room the size of a small bedroom=0D Having no privacy what so ever=0D No internet access=0D Eating the same shitty food day after day=0D Be away from home for 4 months=0D =0D But the worst of the lot is:=0D NOT BEING ABLE TO BUY/HEAR THE NEW DT ON THE DAY =0D OF IT'S RELEASE :)=0D =0D Am I pissed off ?=0D No =FE=0D =0D Graham=0D =0D =0D =0D 'Women are like fine wine. They start out fresh, fruity=0D and intoxicating to the mind and then turn full-bodied=0D with age until they go all sour and vinegary and give you =0D a headache'.=0D =0D
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:48:55 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: CD player speed variations Message-ID: <37F1C467.68B2D835@isd.net>
Inquiring minds want to know:
Jeff Storck wrote: >our CDs. Well, once we got them synced pretty close (incidentally, it can >be pretty neat-sounding of they're off just a bit, and you put yourself >halfway between the systems...) and let them play for a bit, they got >further and further out of sync. Either the players were playing at >different speeds, or the CD data was spread out more. Whatever the case may >be... I was surprised to find that out!
Al Balkiewicz wrote: >I tried to do the same thing with two officially pressed CDs while >tailgating before a concert once. Lo and behold, they were in sync for >about 10 seconds, and then gradually went out of sync. This threw me for >a loop as well.....
>Anyone got explanations for this?
Yup. :)
The SPDIF format (Sony-Phillips-Digital-lnter-Face) is the standard by which all data is transmitted from one component to another. Encoded in a single stream of data are many separate pieces of information including music, timing data, and the master clock signal which, just like a musical metronome, keeps all of the electronics operating together. The decoder's function is to separate the many pieces of information from the single SPDIF data stream. Consumer grade CD players (95% of all CD players on the market) are equipped with a cheap CMOS crystal Oscillator, with a high level of analog input noise. If the master time base generator is unstable, inaccurate, or both, this can cause timing errors that can, and do, include speed and pitch variations. Since a crystal oscillator only requires one single inverter to work, most CD makers use the other 5 inverter gates in the 74HCU04 IC for other purposes, such as switching and buffering. However, this causes switching noise on the supply rails, and since the analog trigger level of a gate is one half the VCC voltage, half of the switching noise is transferred directly to the input of the Crystal Oscillator. This creates JITTER, the most unfriendly phenomenon in digital audio equipment. Sound will be harsh and Stone Cold. The sound stage is narrow, and uninteresting. Music becomes what is known as: DIGITAL!
Thank God for the other 5% of CD player manufacturers.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:53:18 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: One more thing Message-ID: <37F1C56E.8DF78BA5@isd.net>
One other thing I forgot to mention... The transport itself can have speed variations, that's just as common. It's up to the manufacturer to decide how much is acceptable before the DAC rejects the data stream.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:08:32 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: A Mind Beside Itself (NOT A DT99 POST!) :) Message-ID: <37F21D60.6F2600C4@home.com>
A coworker of mine whom I recently introduced to Dream Theater just bought Images and Words two weeks ago, and Awake last week. He's really digging both discs, but he's dying to know what the hell A Mind Beside Itself is about. I gave him my best shot at explaining the trilogy with the following; "I THINK it is vaguely about somebody who's mind is suffering incredible chaos and inner turmoil ("Erotomania" and "Voices"), but who finally finds inner-peace ("The Silent Man")."
Does anybody have a better explanation of AMBI? (confirmed explanation, or your best guesses.... whichever) Hell, I don't even know if I'm on the right track, although I think I am.
Thanks, - Joe D.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:06:01 -0600 From: "Bill Huston" <HUSTON@iomega.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: LOOKOUT SPOILER Message-ID: <s7f1c877.077@royn20.iomega.com>
Not really, but it was fun anyway. The new CD title has been out on the = web for at least a week before Mike made it official. I found out by = looking at Billboard's new release roundup but their title is (spoiler = part stop reading here) Metropolis part 2: Scenes From A Memory. However, = the morons list the artist as some Dream TheatRE band. I wonder if this is = some sort of tribute to the new album already :> Also, after hearing Q2K quite a few times I must say I should've = stopped at the first listen. The first time through I didn't think it was = that bad. But repeated listens began to irritate me. Suffice it to say, = this one goes back to the store. That means Tiles POM is STILL my pick of = the year-at least until the 26th, hopefully. One more thing, when I try to listen to the wire on Portnoy's site, my = real player does not connect and it is the latest version. Anyone else = having this problem? As a result, I don't get to hear his messages. Any = help would be appreciated.
Wilmo
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:20:23 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: THINK PEOPLE Message-ID: <19990929152023.20368.qmail@hotmail.com>
I hope I'm not the only one who finds this deliciously ironic: "THINK INDEPENDANTLY: DISCUSS ONLY WHAT I TELL YOU TO!" -Banjoman
yesterday, some guy wrote:
PLEASE, Why the fuck do we have to discuss pro wrestling? Lets talk about the new album. Lets get psyched. There's too many smart people around to be treated like this. Some people are followers who don't wan't to be spoiled. Remember, somebody else is making that judgement for you. Many people are afraid of being kicked off the list. Why have this list if we only have pro-wrestling to talk about? Lets all start talking about the new album. I dare everybody to divulge the information that they know about the newalbum. We know there are some people so influenced by the media. I have some advice for people who don't want to experiment and judge on their own whether they like it or not: GET A BACKBONE! THINK INDEPENDENTLY! YOU ARE HERE BECAUSE YOU LIKE DT! LETS TALK ABOUT THE ALBUM! Who on the list coined the term "spoiler"? Whoever, you have a loyalfollowing.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:59:48 EDT From: Yes0001@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Interviews Message-ID: <b53b3bb0.25239174@aol.com>
Two DT related interviews are up at Music Street Journal now. They are a John Petrucci interview and a Derek Sherinian interview, both done this summer.
Check them out at www.50megs.com/msj.
Thanks
Gary
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:07:38 EDT From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5088 Message-ID: <19990929160738.58288.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> >Well, in a manner of speaking, yes. Mark has direct contacts to the band. >If he posts any official information, I have no problem with it being >discussed. All of you people who keep ragging on me because of what I've >been saying in the past couple of days are MISSING my original point: That >he posted spoiler information (and at that time it WAS spoiler info) >without notifying us in the first place.
Ok, Mark has contacts with the rest of the band, yes. But he has also been reading the 'jam, and knows that people don't want to find out about the album, or read any spoilers. And in the very title of his message, he posted a spoiler. He didn't mark his message as a spoiler in any way, he just typed it out. Even if you were skimming the message titles at the beginning of the digest, the spoiler was readable. That goes right against your original point. So, you seem to have missed my point... that everyone else should put *spoiler* in their message, except a select few? As I recall, no info was to be divulged until the 26th. Unfortunately, Mr. Portnoy has voilated the new rule! Heh... though he won't get kicked off the list :)
It should be OK for band contacts/members to divulge info to the list, yes... but those same people that have the spoiler info, also read the 'Jam. They know that people don't want to read spoilers, so by the same token that you want everyone else to warn you of a spoiler, so should these other people. Anything else is hypocritical.
>So I have to work extra hard to make sure that *I* don't get exposed to >anything while nobody else has to do their own part? How hard is it, >really, to put a (SPOILER) in your subject line? As Lisa Marie said, it's >netiquette and it's common courtesy. It's a two-way street here, and it's >not like you get off the hook.
No, you don't have to work extra hard. People should know how to follow rules, and be able to control themselves. But you aren't taking my point at face value. Even though rules are set, people might not follow them. You know this fact, so the only sure way to keep yourself in total secrecy is to voluntarily remove yourself from the info that could spoil it for you. That's all I meant by that. It's a shame that people post these spoilers anyways, despite the rules. If I wanted to read no spoilers, I wouldn't read the jam. For me, though, it doesn't matter one way or another. I would listen to clips, or not listen to clips. It's not that big of a deal for me. Now, if the new PUMPKINS album was coming out, I'd go a bit more bezerk over it. :)
It's just sad that people have such poor control over themselves. This isn't pointed at you, Andrew. It's those people that post spoilers even though they were politely and reasonably asked not to post them.
>Why is it so difficult for you to say at the top of a post or in the >subject that there might be spoiler information? You're acting like I >want you to jump through hoops or light yourself on fire.
This is not difficult at all. I agree with you here. It's just that you got "pissed" that someone didn't ... then Mark posted that spoiler without notifying us about it, and you didn't get pissed. That just doesn't seem right to me.
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:14:20 -0400 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: No Spoilers here!!! Message-ID: <37F248EC.1BB1AD9F@wezl.org>
Blah blah blah spoiler, blah blah blah Mark Bredius, blah blah blah veil of secrecy, blah blah blah DT broke the rules, blah blah blah my life is ruined cause I heard one goddamn little detail of the album, blah blah blah my dog got hit by a car...It's old! Let it die already people!
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Spoilers and Stuff (SPOILER WARNING) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909291313460.94443-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
You're all right; I overreacted. I suppose that it's not that huge a deal that I know the album title and track names... I've been thinking about this. Even if I do know what the album title is and what some of the track names are, then it doesn't even make a difference, because I haven't heard the music! So what if the album is called Met. II: Scenes From a Memory... that really DOES make me more excited for what's going to be in the musical side of it. I'm REALLY psyched for what's going to be on this CD, and part of that is because of the secrecy, but in all honesty, part of it is because of what I've heard about it - the album title, for example. I'm really REALLY psyched that it's going to be based on Met. II.
But I still hold that people should be more careful and more cautious about how they post stuff.
Jeff Storck wrote:
> > Why is it so difficult for you to say at the top of a post or in the > > subject that there might be spoiler information? You're acting like I > > want you to jump through hoops or light yourself on fire. > > This is not difficult at all. I agree with you here. It's just that > you got "pissed" that someone didn't ... then Mark posted that spoiler > without notifying us about it, and you didn't get pissed. That just > doesn't seem right to me.
You're right - it was inconsistent of me, and I apologize. I really don't know what I was thinking, and I didn't mean to be so harsh in my posts. But, in all honesty, I WAS thinking when I posted ("THINK when you post!"), and I meant every word. So I'm not going to use that as an excuse, and I'm not apologizing for WHAT I said, just how I said it.
And, in truth, it DOES make a difference to me when I see that an official announcement from the band has been posted, yet reveals stuff about the album. Apparently, they wanted it known - and that's okay with me. But, yes, I suppose you're right - Even Mark should have put a spoiler warning in there.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Before you criticize somebody, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him, you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes. -------------------------------------------------
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