YTSEJAM Digest 5082
Today's Topics:
1) Audio stuff
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
2) Ripping cds
by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
3) Canadian Skies MP3
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
4) Planet X
by Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
5) Male Sexual Secrets-New Book for Men -eclbd
by @usrwip.flash.net
6) More on MP3's
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
7) The illusive Highs
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
8) The Beard at the Astoria
by "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
9) Again... More on MP3's
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
10) completely off-topic D/A war
by Daniel Bosen <bosen@ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5081
by Dustro2@aol.com
12) CDa and MP3s--again
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
13) Planet X
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
14) Re: Again... More on MP3's
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5081
by Dustro2@aol.com
16) Dream Theater
by Ken <owin267@ibm.net>
17) Re: Dream Theater
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
18) Re: CDa and MP3s--again
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
19) Re: 44.1 KHz vs. 48 KHz
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
20) Gwar
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:03:35 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Audio stuff
Message-ID: <37EC8FE6.FCBB0FC0@isd.net>
CyberDuke wrote:
>True, very true! But later I wrote about the range OUR EARS picks, and
>that actually this is what we care about. I don't care if a dog notice
>slight deviation from the REAL original quality in my 256 kbps MP3! :) I
Frequency response is not the only issue. The MP3 compression scheme
removes other artifacts they assume you won't miss. Example:
My _ame is Al. I h_ve a dog n_med Sp_t. S_ot lik_s to run in th_ str_et.
Sure you can figure it out, just like your ears figure out the missing data.
The doesn't change the FACT that data is still missing. I CAN hear this.
The shimmer of a cymbal, to ME, sounds synthetic in MP3 format.
>It is said that you Al have good equipment, why don't you try it and
>tell us?
I don't need to. I can hear the difference on the computer sound systems.
My Teac CD ROMs audio playback clearly outguns any MP3 I've played.
I have two machines, one with a SoundBlaster AWE 32 with the daughter
card and 8 megs on RAM, and one with a SoundBlaster Live. The AWE 32
blows the Live away! The Live was a huge improvement over the AWE 64
it replaced. The 64 really is a joke. I have also plumbed cables from the
computer to the stereo... I was not amused.
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Bill Blanchard posted this paste:
>We've been in contact with Derek already and informed him of the conflict.
>The available evidence indicates to us and our attorney that we have used
Hey Derek! Get your wallet out. :)
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Joseph Bissonnette wrote:
>Interesting point, and thanks for not calling me a retard =). As a
>guitarist I've tried different cables and found that there is a very
>noticeable difference. As a home theater aficionado I've tried different
>cables and found little to no difference (at least once you get beyond the
>cheap ass throw-in cables). And in the home theater area I've read some
>quite detailed tests of wire quality stating that it really doesn't make a
>difference, including the infamous coat-hanger-wire test (which is what led
>to my sarcastic wire thickness comment). Al, care to shed any light on the
>great mystery of speaker cables?
Sure... First of all, interconnect cables are FAR more important than
speaker cables. But the gear has to be worthy of good cables before
you can expect to really benefit from audiophile grade cables. You don't
put $350.00 (ea.) racing tires on a Hyundai Excel.
Speaker cables ARE important, but not nearly a critical as some would
like you to believe. Some speakers, particularly planer magnetic or
electrostatics, have a very low impedance to begin with; At crossover
frequencies they can fall below 1 ohm. Many low impedance dynamic
speakers can also dip close to that range. Those types of speakers demand
a very low series resistance transmission line (cable) to behave correctly.
A low series resistance cable has L A R G E conductors. 6 AWG to 12 AWG.
The other important factor is series inductance, the lower the better.
Bottom line: For most speakers, 12 AWG Monster Cable is fine as long as
the cable length is reasonable. 15 feet or less. For 20 foot runs, I'd go for
at least 10 AWG. How the cable is terminated is also important. Good quality
ends that are clean, tight fitting and properly attached play a major role in
the cable quality. A poor solder joint (or cheap solder) would be a contaminate
to a good transmission line. For those of you on a tight budget, try using 12
AWG Romex. It's a shitload better that that cheap thin cable most people
use to wire their speakers. If you chose to run the wire without ends, make
sure the copper is clean and the connection is tight. ALL cables ends should
be cleaned every six months. I doesn't hurt to apply an antioxidant to the
connections either. FYI, Caig DeoxIT D5 is one of the best antioxidants on
the market.
/Al contemplates the merits of cleaning his monster cable. :)
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:13:37 +0200
From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Ripping cds
Message-ID: <m11Uopl-00059bC@fwd13.btx.dtag.de>
Talking about ripping cd-tracks, check this out I found in the web:
"Use this alternate CDFS.VXD cd driver on Win9x to show Audio CD's as WAV files
IN THE FILE SYSTEM! This replacement driver shows WAV files in a variety of
qualities. It works on any CD drive that Windows can support.
Then you can use your favorite MP3 Compressor program to read directly from the
CD.
Never heard a skip or pop, unlike CDCopy or others...
Put it in your \Windows\System\IOSubSys directory, and reboot."
You can download it from my website at:
http://home.t-online.de/home/mams.gajic/cdfs.zip (39 KB)
Just thought you might be interested
Haschkeks
* Every breath takes me one less to my last * PULL ME UNDER (Dream Theater)
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:42:38 +1000
From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Canadian Skies MP3
Message-ID: <000b01bf0742$b10209c0$470f000a@rainerpa>
Can anyone tell me the URL for the Under Canadian Skies Mp3 Site, it seems
to have dissapeared of the official page before I had a chance to bookmark
it. Does anyone know where I can find the O Holy Night MP3? Thanks.
Cheers,
Rainer
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:48:44 +0200
From: Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Planet X
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990925124844.006f685c@online.no>
> Since the name of the band is Derek Shirinian and the albums name is=20
>Planet X I dont think it will be a problem.=20
Well, Derek and some others (including Tony MacAlpine(!)) have evolved
Planet X to a band, and they are currently writing material for a new=
album...
Now this could be interesting... to see what will happen...
Btw, one of the guys from the first Planet X band mailed Derek saying, in a
friendly tone, that the name was occipied. This was done long beore Derek
released the record and played live... Well here's the answer they got from
Derek:
"leave it to the lawyers, good luck. derek"
Go to http://planetxrocks.com/pxjournl.htm#May0599 for the full story:)
>I think its the seventh song is actually a=20
>jam that Dream Theater did after Metropolis in the medley of OIAL with DS=
in=20
>the band. that could make for a legal battle also I guess but I dont know=
=20
>for sure.
It certainly appear to have some similiarity:)
=A8
< flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 >
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:37:50 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: More on MP3's
Message-ID: <37ECB40D.7A828F83@isd.net>
The Cow God wrote:
>ok, i'm sure you get great quality from those tape decks, and as an
>audiophile i'm sure its a good purchase. but... winamp is free. and you
>dont have to calibrate it to the mp3s. and you have random access. while
Cheap and easy... Would you like a wife like that? The better things in life
are worth working for.
>we all now know that it is POSSIBLE to find a tape deck that sounds as
>good as an mp3, its still not a practical alternative. moo.
That depends on your usage. What if I want to record a radio program or
something from a vinyl source that I wish to play somewhere other than
the computer room?
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Chris Ptacek wrote:
>Well, first of, I normally bow to your expertise in this aera, but
>there's no way the Signal to noise ratio is correct.
Other than your opinion, have you ANY credible data to back up
this assertion? The Tascam 122 has a signal-to-noise ratio of 80 dB.
I believe the Revox, and the Tandberg units are even better.
>Every time you play a tape it demagnetizes, and looses a bit more sound quality.
>There's no way I am aware of to avoid this, since recording magnetizes a tape, and
>the playback heads are themselves, magnets. So every time you listen to your
The PLAYBACK heads are magnets? Nonsense! Your opinion is, indeed, your
opinion. But the physical composition of tape heads pays not the slightest
heed to your or anyone else's opinion. Tape heads can BECOME magnetized
if not properly maintained, that's why the owners manual suggests using a head
demagnetizer on them periodically.
Tape heads typically are a metal alloy with a helical wound pickup coil that
reacts to magnetic media by reading the particles previously arranged by the
record head and converting the magnetic information to electrical impulses.
The record head is fed electrical impulses and converts that to magnetic
impulses that rearrange the magnetic particles on the tape. The erase head
is simply a mini electromagnet. This is a VERY elementary description, but
adequate for our purposes. I assure you, the tape heads themselves are NOT
magnets.
>tape it gets muddier. Then, consider the fact that MP3s are copies of the
>cd. Every time you copy a tape, the new one loses 6db of signal, which is
>replaced with noise. The only way an MP3 will gain noise is if the ripping
>process adds it, which it shouldn't, or if the encoder's codec is made to
These are generalizations that really don't apply to this argument.
Nobody in their right mind makes a copy of a copy, particularly with
cassette tape. Cassettes, as well as any other magnetic media, do
degrade with age and play. This is accelerated by improper storage and
poor playback gear maintenance. Once this happens, you should re-record
a new tape from the original source. If the original is no longer available,
you're bummin'.
Cassette is not a good choice for long-term storage, that's not to say
that the media can't outperform MP3's sonically; They just can't maintain
their original signal integrity for several decades. Just remember the
original claims you made. If you want good long-term storage, use a GOOD
A-to-D converter and burn them to a CD, or record to 1" tape and store the
tape in a suitable tape vault.
>not only remove frequencies, but to add noise too... which I doubt. Tape is
>warmer, and it is constant, instead of sampled, but it will always run into
You want to hear noise? Try this: Record a CD audio track to wav. Now convert
it to MP3. Take the MP3 and convert it back to a wav. The convert the new
wav back to MP3 and listen to it. You'll be surprised.
>these problems, and CASSETTE tapes are always going to be massively inferior
>to cd.
This is an axiomatic statement that has NOTHING to do with the our original
argument. That's OK Chris, I still love you. :)
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes,
it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:55:29 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: The illusive Highs
Message-ID: <37ECB831.FBBA835C@isd.net>
Andy Putman wrote:
>You may not actually hear it, but you do sense it on some level. It adds to
>the 'feel' of the actual live instruments, though it's subtle enough that
>many people don't notice it.
Very well said. My aural sensory input ends at 15k, but when an ultrasonic
filter is inserted in the signal path, I can detect it immediately even though
the low end of the filters slope is supposedly above my hearing range.
Who knows, maybe it's bone conduction.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes,
it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:06:06 +0100
From: "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Beard at the Astoria
Message-ID: <000e01bf074e$5a1a9bc0$4f8abc3e@farrell>
Hi Ash,
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:50:11 +0200
]From: "Ashley Wong (ETL)" <ashley.wong@etl.ericsson.se>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Charlie's 40th
>..heheh....Belated birthday greetings to you Charlie!
Thanks
>I'm not too far behind you, as I turned 30 (gulp!) on Monday.
>So I'll be getting to bed early with my warm cup of Horlicks
>and copy of Reader's Digest (large print).
Its still better reading than Kerrang and metal Hammer these
days. :-))
>See you at the Forum for Spock's Beard!
Well I'll be at the Forum on Fri Oct 1st for Megadeth and then
the Astoria II for Spocks Beard - be there early 'cos Saturday
is the big Gay Disco night and the venue closes early.
I have good reason to understand that we can expect the
company of Mr Borland too - Whooah 3 UK jammers -
we could have a convention - or at least a drink in a Pub?
The George is the closest and you'll probably find me in
there - wearing a black Vanden Plas longsleeve 'The God
Thing' shirt.
Charlie
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:17:45 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Again... More on MP3's
Message-ID: <37ECBD69.17F0982C@isd.net>
Steffen Barabasch wrote:
>Use a slightly higher bit rate, 160-192kbps usually are sufficient
>for virtually original sounding MP3s. And, a LOT more important: Use
>a better encoder. Anything with the original Fraunhofer encoder will
>do. Damn slow, but SO much better. To all of you who think they can
>still hear artifacts even at higher bitrates: Use another encoder,
>and be enlightened ;-)
As true as that is... That also GREATLY increases the file size.
At what point do you quit, when the MP3 is a big as the original CDA file?
Pass me the CD.
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Trent inquired:
>With all this talk of mp3s, encoders and Al's comments
>on why analog is best, I found myself wondering what
Analog has the ability to truly capture the original event;
Digital is simply an interpretation of that event that has to be
converted to analog before it can be perceived as sound to the
human ear. Unfortunately, most people have never heard quality
analog. (Your daddy's cheap Pioneer turntable with it's pathetic
little Audio Technica cartridge can't begin to explore the beauty of
good analog playback.) Good analog does not come cheap.
Most consumer grade CD players suffer from lousy D-to-A converters
so you're not even getting anywhere near the best sound the digital domain
has to offer. Consumers need to wise up and hold the gods of technology
*choke* to higher standards.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes,
it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:29:26 +0200
From: Daniel Bosen <bosen@ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: completely off-topic D/A war
Message-ID: <37ECDC46.FDB958C8@ph-cip.uni-koeln.de>
"Al @ Switchcraft" wrote:
> Analog has the ability to truly capture the original event;
> Digital is simply an interpretation of that event that has to be
> converted to analog before it can be perceived as sound to the
No Al, I do agree with your other opinions on this subject, but you
can't say, a priori, that analog is a more truly caption. Whether it is
analog, or digital doesn't matter, because both is an approximation of
the real world. Its just a matter of the amount of knowledge, money and
engineering you put into, to get the better interpretation. But I have
to admit, that the digital field is kind of outdated (but still good
enough for me).
Daniel
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:28:20 EDT
From: Dustro2@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5081
Message-ID: <d2ddffbf.251e4414@aol.com>
Yea on that DS problem....you would think he would get Busted for using a
part form ACOS in his new album but i think since he wrote that little Jingle
and he still seems to be buddy buddy with MP, they wont do anything...well at
least i hope not...Track 7 on planet X is one of my faves!!! Just my
opinion... we will see what happens...
Dust Ro
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:10:01 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: CDa and MP3s--again
Message-ID: <v04210102b412a0bf7890@[192.168.1.1]>
>the mp3s sound pretty good. Lately I've been using
>48,000 Hz, 16 bit, Stereo, 188 kb/s setting. I moved
>that up from a slightly lower setting. The files
Well, that's like resizing a 440 Pixel wide picture to 480 pixels.
You'll lose lots of original information because of the interpolation
etc. CDs are fixed to 44.1kHz, 16 bit, stereo, so you *lose* instead
of *gain* quality if you rip and interpolate it to 48kHz. Except
we're talking about DAT, that uses up to 48kHz.
And about what Al said about this tape deck: If you like analog
better than digital, well, I'm not going to further discuss this,
it's a matter of taste, and it depends on what you want to achieve.
But spending more than a few bucks for a lousy cassette recorder is
like tuning a VW bug. Totally pointless. If you want a faster car,
buy a faster car. If you want better sound than your average tape
deck, use a different technology.
Steffen
--
Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:13:15 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Planet X
Message-ID: <v04210103b412a465542b@[192.168.1.1]>
> Since the name of the band is Derek Shirinian and the albums name is
>Planet X I dont think it will be a problem. Speaking of Planet X I dont know
Derek's band *is* called Planet X, just like his solo album.
Steffen
--
Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com)
THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:56:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Again... More on MP3's
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909251249530.20306-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote:
> Steffen Barabasch wrote:
> >Use a slightly higher bit rate, 160-192kbps usually are sufficient
> >for virtually original sounding MP3s. And, a LOT more important: Use
> >a better encoder. Anything with the original Fraunhofer encoder will
> >do. Damn slow, but SO much better. To all of you who think they can
> >still hear artifacts even at higher bitrates: Use another encoder,
> >and be enlightened ;-)
>
> As true as that is... That also GREATLY increases the file size. At
> what point do you quit, when the MP3 is a big as the original CDA
> file?
Actually, encoding a file at 160Kbps only increases the file size by about
25%. In other words, where as a 128Kbps file will get about 1 meg per
minute, a file at 160 will get about 1.25 megs per minute. To me, the
file size is worth it (especially now that I've bought a larger hard
drive), because the files are that much clearer.
As a musician, I'd like to say that I have a very critical ear. And when
I can afford it, I'm going to buy at least mid-fi gear so that I can show
my ear what it's been missing. But at this point in my life, I don't have
a problem with listening to MP3s - sure, sometimes I can hear some really
crappy sound coming out of my speakers, but most of the time it just
doesn't bother me. I'm sure that when I get higher-quality gear, it'll
make a HUGE impact on what I hear coming from my computer into my stereo.
Got a question for you, Al. If I were to make a copy of a CD (onto a
CD-R), would it make a difference in sound? There are physical
differences between the two (for example, audio cds are pressed, have no
tracks, where as a CD-R has built in tracks for recorder purposes), and I
was wondering if that could make a difference in sound quality.
/me wonders how much high-end hearing loss occurred in his left ear last
night when he went to that enormously loud rave...
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a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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The only stupid question is the one that is never
asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about
time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer,
isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
in fact, I was speeding?"
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:33:15 EDT
From: Dustro2@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5081
Message-ID: <7273b0b2.251e615b@aol.com>
On just a correction of my statement before on DS...I ment OALT not ACOS..
that DS plays his little part of song 7 of Planet X...also just want to add
that of all the boots and different times i have seen DT, DS never played
that part the same...the only time I have hever herd him play it the same as
song 7 is when he did the 5YIALT video and CD...so I think it was all just
improv...???never know???
later,
DustRo
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:30:59 GMT
From: Ken <owin267@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Dream Theater
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19990925192810.330f1416@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net>
Hello,
Long time fan, first time writter. I would like to be added to any
mailing lists that Dream Theater has. They are an inspiration to us all.
The only band left that has the balls to play what THEY WANT to play. Not
selling out; sticking to thier guns! A glimpse of Heaven? Perhaps! Thank
you!!!
Adesso che ho perso la vista,
ci vedo meglio e di piu
Ken "Tucson, Az" Owin
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:00:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater
Message-ID: <19990926030051.17133.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com>
--- Ken <owin267@ibm.net> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Long time fan, first time writter. I would
> like to be added to any
> mailing lists that Dream Theater has. They are an
> inspiration to us all.
> The only band left that has the balls to play what
> THEY WANT to play. Not
> selling out; sticking to thier guns! A glimpse of
> Heaven? Perhaps! Thank
> you!!!
Direct your web browser to www.dreamtheater.net and
check out the mailing list sections. There are (at
least) two DT lists. There's The Mirror (which is
devoted to discussing Dream Theater or derivatives
thereof) or the Ytsejam (which is off topic from time
to time, but has a strong DT permeation to it). Both
are good and insightful, but beware-- most people are
nice, but some are total dickheads. Most of 'em are
gone now. Laterz.
=====
*Trent
"Life is like a nacho; if it gets to cheesy, it's your own fault."
Me
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:28:09 -0500
From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: CDa and MP3s--again
Message-ID: <006f01bf07cf$2852c140$d6b28ad1@boner>
> Well, that's like resizing a 440 Pixel wide picture to 480 pixels.
> You'll lose lots of original information because of the interpolation
> etc. CDs are fixed to 44.1kHz, 16 bit, stereo, so you *lose* instead
> of *gain* quality if you rip and interpolate it to 48kHz. Except
> we're talking about DAT, that uses up to 48kHz.
you dont lose any information when upsampling (44.1kHz to 48kHz). The extra
samples are just filled with samples of nothing. you lost info when you
downsample though. (44.1kHz to 22.05kHz). Half the samples are thrown out
when you do that. later.
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: 44.1 KHz vs. 48 KHz
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909260143550.47074-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Edward Polzin wrote:
> you dont lose any information when upsampling (44.1kHz to 48kHz).
> The extra samples are just filled with samples of nothing. you lost
> info when you downsample though. (44.1kHz to 22.05kHz). Half the
> samples are thrown out when you do that. later.
You may not lose any data when you rip wavs to 48 KHz, but as whomever it
was said - what's the point? You don't lose any data when you rip to 44.1
KHz either. Why would you bother with the extra disk space when there
isn't any added bonus to doing it? All he was saying was that it didn't
make any difference whether one ripped to 44.1 KHz or 48.
Myself, I'd rip to 44.1, just because it makes the file size smaller.
We're talking about several megs' worth of space when you get into larger
files.
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:10:02 -0500
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Gwar
Message-ID: <19990926.021003.-3841623.0.schnapster@juno.com>
Oh man, I can't believe this. MTV is actually playing a Gwar video :)
Something about the all time rock hard videos from A-Z.
Good thing I've got the VCR running :).
Dale R> Newberry
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