YTSEJAM Digest 5442
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5441
by EvoReaper@aol.com
2) Re: Bass
by Fett2002@aol.com
3) Star People
by "Wade A. Caudle" <slash@zebra.net>
4) TSO comments
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
5) Watchtower News and Website
by "Kez" <bkeyser@mgfairfax.rr.com>
6) Keeping the Faith
by Pam Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
7) Netscape Follies/Martha Stewart
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
8) re: exotic prog
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
9) Re: Netscape Follies/Martha Stewart
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
10) Re: angra
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
11) Re: Angra's guitar player
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
12) Radiant Records
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
13) Re: Angra's guitar player
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
14) orion
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
15) Re: Radiant Records
by JamesAhab@aol.com
16) http://www.metallicasucks.com
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
17) Airheads
by JamesAhab@aol.com
18) ISO: Comprehensive DT Bootleg Discography?
by MTeiper@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:33:19 EDT
From: EvoReaper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5441
Message-ID: <3b.3ec614f.2635369f@aol.com>
Well, I guess I was premature on my posting of nothing bad happening on 4-20.
Aside from the lovely picture I was linked to-I read in the paper last Friday
that some kid went into school and stabbed 5 other kids.
Too bad, this world makes me sick sometimes.
ANYWAYS-Does anywhere know where I can download or view the HOB broadcast?
This question has probably been asked MILLIONS of times now...but I missed
it, (spent the evening with the signifigant other), and I'd really love to
see it.
Thanks alot!
Andy
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:42:12 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Bass
Message-ID: <e3.384a68f.263538b4@aol.com>
carlos Alfaro:
<< Dude! are you on crack?! heh i mean .. SFAM is the most bass heavy DT
album yet.
Its very clear and out there. Even more so than on FII (which also brought
the
Bass in front of the mix)
>>
I don't know. I think that the bass is by far the clearest on FII. I don't
hear it that great in SFAM, but then again maybe that's becasue I'm always
concentrating on JP's playing! LOL And I wish the keyboard were a little
higher on some SFAM, especially Fatal Tragedy. ON the one live version of
this I downloaded off Bogie's site, the keyboards sound much more in the
front and I think the song sounds better as a result. Oh, and I too love
Awake! My personal fav DT album.
-Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:31:12 -0500
From: "Wade A. Caudle" <slash@zebra.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Star People
Message-ID: <002a01bfadb6$b03241c0$1bee0cd1@slash>
Don't laugh. Oh, hell- go ahead. I need to find out some information on
the Star People, and I haven't had much luck so far. Anybody have a web
address or anything?
I know I'll catch shit for this one, but thanks in advance anyway.
Wade
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:02:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: TSO comments
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004240245560.2513-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
I have had the new Trans-Siberian Orchestra since the day it came out, and
I think it is a really good disc, but I do have a couple of general
complaints.
First of all, Theresa. Don't get me wrong, I think the woman is a good
singer, but for some reason the songs she is in just don't seem to be as
interesting as the others.
That TSO Sound. After three albums, I have come to the following
conclusion: TSO is really really repetative. They use a LOT of the same
music and melodies across all their albums, to the point where they all
kind of blend together. And that thing they do at the end of a lot of
their songs (I don't know exactly how to describe it, but they do it at
the end of Fate) REALLY gets on my nerves after a while. It has gotten to
the point that I am concidering ripping the audio, cutting out the bits
that annoy me and burning it on CD-R so I can listen to it without the
remote in hand to FF or skip.
South-Parkian Orchestra. I don't mind the male singers on the album... I
think their style for the most part fits in just fine... two things do
bug me though. First off, Young Beethoven sounds like a total pussy when
he says "Vienna!" And secondly, there are a couple of places
(particularly in This is Who You Are) where Beethoven sounds exactly like
the guys in South Park doing a parody of dramatic songs. I keep expecting
him to belt out "You're my conjoined twin...
deadfetushangingoffofyourhead,wo-man"
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
| Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design |
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:29:20 -0400
From: "Kez" <bkeyser@mgfairfax.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Watchtower News and Website
Message-ID: <002801bfade0$55987e80$3bc21c18@kez.mgfairfax.rr.com>
>
>does anyone remember watchtower? the progressive techno thrash metal band
from
>early 80's into the 90's? featured billy white-guitar,jason
>mcmaster-vocals, doug keyser-bass, and rick colaluca-drums...
>a reformation of what is closest to the original watchtower as you will ever
>get, jason, rick, doug, and ron jarzombek on guitar(san antonio slayer,as
well
>as took billy whites place in watchtower from 1987 to the present)...is about
>to reside like a cold day in hell .. that this would ever happen....
>FRIDAY THE 23RD OF JUNE.. WATCHTOWER WILL PLAY A WARM UP SHOW BEFORE THEY
>HEAD OFF TO DO THE BANG YOUR HEAD FESTIVAL IN BALINGEM GERMANY WITH THIN
>LIZZY,ARMORED SAINT,EXCITER,SAXON,UDO,AND MANY OTHER LEGENDARY METAL ACTS!!!
>SEE THE FESTIVAL WEBSITE- http://www.bang-your-head.de/
>TO WARM UP FOR THE FESTIVAL- WATCHTOWER WILL PLAY THE MIDDLE SLOT AT MEDIEVAL
>KNIGHTS ROCK TAVERN(THIS CLUB IS ON NACO PERRIN OFF OF PERRIN BEITAL ON THE
>NORTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO.. CALL INFORMATION FOR DETAILS,OR SEE THE CLUBS
>WEBSITE) IN SAN ANTONIO TEXAS!!REMEMBER THE DATE-JUNE 23RD.. THATS A
>FRIDAY!!!!
>EARLY AND LATE BANDS TO BE ANNOUNCED!!!
>see watchtower website- http://www.baremaster.com/watchtower
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:42:36 -0500
From: Pam Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Keeping the Faith
Message-ID: <l03020900b529ef42f6f7@[209.224.35.248]>
>And lastly...has anyone seen "Keeping the Faith?" I heard there is a scene
>where the two guys from somewhere in New York are talking about the guy they
>went to high school with that smoked a lot of pot. They said his name was
>Mike something...then they said Portnoy. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
I heard them say Portnoy, but I don't think the first name was Mike. I
wasn't paying close attention until I heard Portnoy, so I am not 100% sure
about the first name.
------
Recently I have been bitching about Rolling Stone....I may have to take
some of that back. Last week I got a call from them, I thought for sure it
was a sales pitch, but it was a survey. They wanted to know if I had any
complaints or suggestions, of course I mentioned that I would like to see
coverage of prog bands. I know my comments will probably not make a
difference, but I am really glad they asked.
Pam
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:46:16 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Netscape Follies/Martha Stewart
Message-ID: <39045E38.ED7D5ACF@isd.net>
Alex O'Connell wrote:
>Hey Al...
Hello!
>about the Netscape security isse you posted in the last digest, do you k=
now
>if this affects all mail sent out using Netscape (such as yahoo, hotmail=
)
>or just those using Netscape as a mail client?
Just mail and attachments sent and received through Netscape's interface.
BTW, Yahoo, and Hotmail does not exactly qualify as the pinnacle of secur=
ity.
>Sorry for being way off-topic, folks!
Off topic? That's debatable considering many of us (Myself included) use
Netscape Messenger for correspondence with the Jam.
I'll re-post the message body.. (without the auto wrap butchering)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------
It would appear that this version of Communicator (4.72) is storing ALL
sent and received data from the mail client. (This would explain the redu=
ced
time when emptying the trash folder) Though hidden from the user, the fil=
e
sizes reflect all incoming and outgoing mail including file attachments a=
re
stored within their respective folders. What's up with this???
Please tell me it's a bug. I'd hate to think that Netscape come up with a
sneaky way for our mail information to be viewed by government or law
enforcement agency investigators. All information from the time of instal=
lation
could be retrieved by competent computer geeks if this is true. I would r=
eally
like a detailed explanation for this. I have verified my findings with se=
veral other
skilled users. I found it quite interesting that my "Inbox" file folder g=
rew 7 megs
(the exact size of a received MP3 file) right after receiving, deleting =
and emptying
the trash. I also cleared Netscape's memory and hard disk cache. Multipl=
e
re-boots later after running Scandisk & Defrag, the inbox (and all other =
mail
folders) file sizes remained the same. 39+ megs! That's awful large for =
empty
folders. Hmm=85 Even if the reason for this is a little less sinister, =
with the amount
of data that I exchange in a year, I'll have to dedicate a larger hard di=
sk partition
just to store my mail folders.. (!!! Insert obligatory sarcasm alert here=
!!!)
The file names I'm referring to are: Inbox & Sent. Located in the netsca=
pe/users
/username/mail directory. Versions previous to 4.72 did not exhibit this=
behavior.
Why the change?
PS: This is NOT a Windows Millennium issue. I know of four other users th=
at have
the same problem under Win95 osr2, Win98, and Win98SE.
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I'm done now. :o)
NP: Nothing.. I'm watching Martha Stewart demonstrate her skills with a
Makita cordless drill. (Actually, I'm not really watching it intentional=
ly. I was
watching the program that preceded her show.. It's hell when your remote
is just inches out of reach.. How's that for lazy?) What is with this bit=
ch?
I'd like to drag her over here just to see her reaction to my family room.
The room is DOMINATED by audio gear and speakers. The primary decor
concern is making sure room articles won't buzz when music is played.
She'll really blow a gasket once she wanders out to the back yard and
discovers our garden is used to grow FOOD.. Oh how peasant like!
I'll bet her dildo is made by Lexus..
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of
that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:13:40 PDT
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: exotic prog
Message-ID: <20000424151340.53966.qmail@hotmail.com>
i was wondering if there is any one out there who can post a list of
>exotic prog in tunes.
>anything out of the ordinary with eastern scales. that would be wicked.
Well, the main riff of "Ytse Jam" is just plain old harmonic minor (if I
remember correctly), but it's eerily similar to a popular 'catch phrase'
used in the indian raga "Kiriwani". My freind and I saw Anoushka Shankar
play this live, and we just turned and looked at eachother, amazed that she
had ripped off a DT tune =^). If you're into indian music, you should check
it out, it's on her only CD, "Anoushka".
Also, you may want to check out a band called "magnificent octopus". They're
just plain wacky, and have some tunes up on MP3.com. One of them,
"Laptikogopus" (I think), is said to be inspired by "Star Wars, indian
classical music, and polka". Weird stuff, but definitely prog.
-Fran
p.s. I was trying to think of what I would describe AC/DC as, because I
didn't want to use "glam metal" either. I couldn't think of anything for a
few minutes though, and so just went with it =^).
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Netscape Follies/Martha Stewart
Message-ID: <20000424164248.7406.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com>
The YtseproGtologist wrote--
> BTW, Yahoo, and Hotmail does not exactly qualify as
> the pinnacle of security.
Maybe not, but Yahoo is miles ahead of Hotmail.
Hotmail (now owned by MSN) has the shittiest security,
shittiest features and shittiest service you could
ever hope to expect. Once upon a time, long long ago,
Hotmail was A1, the best around, but ever since they
were bought, their service has really started to suck
ass.
And as far as security goes, it's kinda tough to
protect against threats from hackers and whatnot since
there's not much that can be done. And anyway, so
what if someone hacks my e-mail account? It's just
e-mail, there's nothing in here that I can't afford to
lose. Hacking my computer would be much different.
And as far as free e-mail services go, Yahoo is the
best of the best IMHO.
=====
*Trent
"I cannot stop the thought of running in the dark.
Coming up a which way sign. All good truants must decide.
stripped and sold mom. An auctioned forearm and whiskers in the sink. Truants move on, cannot stay long.
Some die just to live..."
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:10:38 +0300
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: angra
Message-ID: <39049C2E.E8297B17@yahoo.com>
Waseem wrote:
>
> hello! just got the angra "holy land" cd- it RULZ!!! <thanks matt!> i
> just
> wanted to know which one of the 2 guitarists play most of the lead
> guitar...
> ITS NOT AS GOOD AS PETRUCCI, but still pretty impressive :) any answer
> (preferably the right one) would be much appreciated. thanks!
>
I think they pretty much share they're spots in the sun, it's hard to tell, but
sometimes you can hear slight differences on style and / or sound... Or maybe
it's just me ;-)
- Winger
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:13:22 +0300
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Angra's guitar player
Message-ID: <39049CD2.5BB13659@yahoo.com>
"Carlos A. Alfaro" wrote:
>
> The one who does all the leads is Kiko Loureiro...
>
Okay, my mistake (besides bad spelling ;), but a question: Surely he doesn't
double himself on those crazy double leads ?
- Winger
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:10:12 +1000
From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Radiant Records
Message-ID: <200004242314.e3ONEkJ09258@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
I was wondering has anyone else who made the big mistake of pre
ordering the special 2 CD version of Transatlantic, from Radiant
Records and has actually recieved the disc yet ?
I still haven't got mine, yet a lot of online vendors are offering it and
I saw it yesterday here locally on import which made me even
madder.
They charged my credit card over a month ago, which is highly
annoying, as most online stores only charge when the CD is
shipped.
They haven't answered my email, enquiring when it will be shipped.
All of which leaves me pretty angry and you'd think that by ordering
the CD direct from the label you get it before anyone else .......
gaz
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:10:12 +1000
From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Angra's guitar player
Message-ID: <200004242314.e3ONEfJ09249@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> The one who does all the leads is Kiko Loureiro...
Wrong, Rafael Bittencourt also does a lot of the leads, I have some
video's and they share most of the leads.
gaz
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:15:28 PDT
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: orion
Message-ID: <20000425001528.41167.qmail@hotmail.com>
with recent threads about time signatures and about metallica, I figured why
not combine the two? =^). I'm trying to figure out "Orion"... Does anyone
know what's going on rhythmically a few minutes in? It sounds like there's
some 9/8 mixed in with 4/4, but I haven't been able to figure it
out...anyone know how to count that?
Private mail is fine, and thanks in advance
-Fran
np: Miracle Orchestra - Coalescence
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:32:22 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Radiant Records
Message-ID: <42.4882f58.26364196@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/24/00 6:19:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
graham@renegade2k.com writes:
<<
I was wondering has anyone else who made the big mistake of pre
ordering the special 2 CD version of Transatlantic, from Radiant
Records and has actually recieved the disc yet ?
I still haven't got mine, yet a lot of online vendors are offering it and
I saw it yesterday here locally on import which made me even
madder.
They charged my credit card over a month ago, which is highly
annoying, as most online stores only charge when the CD is
shipped.
They haven't answered my email, enquiring when it will be shipped.
All of which leaves me pretty angry and you'd think that by ordering
the CD direct from the label you get it before anyone else .......
gaz
>>
I got mine last Monday. Depends on where you live. Maybe it just got lost in
the mail. And Neal Morse *is* Radiant Records. Any e-mail reply would be from
him, but since their on tour, obviously they don't have time to answer e-mail.
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:37:17 +1000
From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: http://www.metallicasucks.com
Message-ID: <200004250141.e3P1fmJ27839@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
If you hate Alternica as much as I do now, check out this great site.
http://www.metallicasucks.com
I found this little ditty:
Enter Napster
Snag a file little one
don't forget, my son
to download every one
Download sin, download Fins
Download just for grins
Till the lawsuit comes
Browse with one eye open
Gripping your lawyer tight
Exit light
Enter night
Take my hand
Off to Napster lawsuit land
Something's wrong, I just might
Lose some moolah tonight
'Cause you're downloading sound bites
Dreams of power, dreams of ire
Dreams of songs on a wire
And of our Grammies past
Sleep with one eye open
Gripping your 'rm *' tight
Exit light
Enter night
Take my hand
Off to Napster lawsuit land
Now I lay me down to sleep
Pray the Lord my songs to keep
If they're downloaded before I wake
Pray the Lord my cut to take
Hush little Napster, don't send a byte
And don't issue a disk write
If you can kill with a hand saw
Then shouldn't they be against the law
Exit light
Enter night
Old hair-band
Exit light
Enter night
Freedom banned
We're off to Napster lawsuit land
(by Marlboro marlboro@cricketmachine.com)
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:51:26 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Airheads
Message-ID: <9.49ddbdf.2636460e@aol.com>
I was just watching Airheads, and in the beginning, there's a scene at a club
and there's a band on stage called the Sons of Thunder. The lead singer says
something, and they start singing this dumb song, and it cuts to a new scene.
Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm going nuts or what, but I could've sworn it was
the Galactic Cowboys. Anybody know if I'm right?
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:34:03 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ISO: Comprehensive DT Bootleg Discography?
Message-ID: <df.3818585.26365e1b@aol.com>
Hey -
Does anyone know where to find a comprehensive and relatively up-to-date DT
bootleg discography? The one I'm specifically looking for a track listing of
is "Another Days Of Dream Theater". It has some live Winter Rose stuff and
some of the Kevin Moore "MMTBH" demos, but it doesn't list the specific
tracks. If anyone can point me to a webpage where I can find this out, or
can at least help out with the exact track listing, I'd REALLY appreciate it.
Thanx.... Matt T.
NP: WASP "The Crimson Idol"
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