YTSEJAM Digest 5438
Today's Topics:
1) Solid tension Drums
by Abu Shams Ahmed <shams@drik.net>
2) DT touring in UK again
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
3) Limitless Possibilities
by MelodyDrone@cs.com
4) Re: Where did this song come from??
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
5) It's that time of year again ...
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
6) Re: 420
by "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
7) Pepper spray?
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
8) RE:Dt&SB in It
by SIVORI VIAGGI DI SIVORI NATALE <SIGMA.A3340301@STS.SIGMA.IT>
9) HAPPY BIRTHDAY MIKE!!!
by "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com>
10) Happy Birthday Mike
by "Kevin A. Loechner" <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
11) tv/radio play
by "Andrew Goktepe" <goktepe@citilink.com>
12) X-mas CD covers!!
by "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com>
13) Re Photographing Gassy Pepper Pirates
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
14) bitchin and moanin (read it anyway)
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
15) Portnoy, 420, and Keeping the Faith
by MaxArbot@aol.com
16) DT covers
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
17) New listener
by "SOS" <sos@akula.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5437
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5437
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:06 +0600
From: Abu Shams Ahmed <shams@drik.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Solid tension Drums
Message-ID: <38FEB6E9.99BF36DB@drik.net>
Hi guys, after waiting for months, finally I got the liquid drum Exp videos. I'm not a drummer but thought the insite would help me musically so this action. I was watching with my drummer and after the first tape put the next tape in (the drummer was still picking up his jaw from the floor) guess what happened. The second tape
was blank, totally blank!! My jaw fell during this time while we searched the whole tape. And the video was sealed also!!!! Freaked me out .....now I gotta send it back to Singapore (After I find someone agreeing to take it over there) to see the second part where he talks about the Dt songs and stuff. <sigh>
My drummer doesn't my tho.......he's happy with the first one and won't mind waiting even couple of years......<8 -^
just had to unload myself.
-S
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:42:01 +0100
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT touring in UK again
Message-ID: <38FEC2D9.9E3605F0@picsel.com>
Wow. I have just seen the new UK tour dates for DT posted up on the web
site. I am extremely excited, not least because they are playing the
legendary (haha) Glasgow Barrowlands which happens to be my all-time
favourite concert venue. With a capacity of 2000 it should be quite fun.
:-)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:25:25 EDT From: MelodyDrone@cs.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Limitless Possibilities Message-ID: <37.40e6ecb.26303515@cs.com>
Now there's a Dream Theater Message Board, also we've got the Mike Portnoy m.b., then there' s the Lines In the Sand m.b., is there any more message boards out there? so many to choose from plus the mailing list, i don't know where to put my questions or comments
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:45:18 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Where did this song come from?? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000420074446.00b18d00@pop.ecosoft.com>
The study version was the first I heard, its incredible. My girlfriend=20 wants that to be the first song we dance to if we get married..
Gf's that like DT r0ck =3D)
At 09:10 PM 04/19/2000 -0700, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
>Robert Muise wrote: > > > I have the Live version recorded from milan. Thanks to Napster =3D3D) > > It does contain the sampled verses that you spoke of. > > > > If you want it let me know > > > >Thanks! Although i dont really like the sampled version. Have you heard the >studio one? I think its tons better at catching the emotion of the song.. > > > Come into this night, Your plight alone > Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us > Come into this night, You only home > It=B4s never too late, To repent, suffer the loss > Opeth : Benighted > Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. > mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org >
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:06:17 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: It's that time of year again ... Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000420090617.00842c80@mail.ptd.net>
.. and it happens to also be Mike Portnoy's birthday! =D
Happy Birthday, Mike!
And while I'm at it, a safe and happy Easter break to the rest of you.
Peace, Brian
"..." -James LaBrie, "The Dance of Eternity" NP: Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:39:35 -0500 From: "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: 420 Message-ID: <CF2C9F6501B6D211862500805F15297F03EB3B86@ustcax09.kcc.com>
Carlos correctly pointed out that:
> Heheh today is cool :P > Besides the fact that its MP's bday...
Why, yes it is my friend - a very cool day. Enjoy 4/20 for everyone who knows what I'm talking about. If not, don't sweat it. :)
"Just say no to regs..."
Adam
:)
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:34:18 -0400 (EDT) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pepper spray? Message-ID: <200004201434.KAA2230445@gl.umbc.edu>
> Sarah McLachlan used Liquid Audio to promote "Surfacing." I had never seen > the Liquid Audio format before visiting Sarah's official website. What really > annoyed me was that I couldn't save the files after listening. Then I > realized Sarah was simply protecting her creations - letting her fans listen > without actually giving anything away.
Exactly. I may be anti-mp3, but I support Liquid Audio. Once they get the authentication and copy protection worked out it will be great.
WARNING!!! ---------- WARNING!!! ---------- WARNING!!!
The next part of my post will contain SPOILERS ABOUT TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA'S "BEETHOVEN'S LAST NIGHT"
> I have a question about the guest vocalists used on the last couple of TSO > releases. Is it just me or are some of the male vocalists reather > weak? Patti Russo is awesome on BLN but there are one or two male leads > who appear to my untrained ears to be lame. I think this contributes to > the overall "wussiness" of some of the ballads on these albums that I have > seen others comment on. Any thoughts?
Plenty. I, too, thought Petti Russo was great on the CD. Jody what's-his-face has some nice moments, but they are few and far between. By and large, the singing sucks.
However what REALLY annoys me about that CD is this: First, it seems that in just about EVERY song they do a huge molto ritardando before changing the mood. I know that's on all the other TSO and Savatage releases, but on this it is SERIOUSLY overdone.
Second, they have all this great Beethoven music to choose from, and what themes do they use? Moonlight Sonata, the Fifth Symphony, and the Ninth Symphony (and maybe a little of the Fm 'Appasionata" Sonata? I've only listened to it twice) - God forbid play something that the ignorant masses AREN'T familiar with. Not only that, but they don't even go any further beyond the most obvious themes from those works - elements from the 5th are limited to the 'fate' motif, the 9th is limited almost exclusively to the 'Ode to Joy' part of the 4th movement. And when the Moonlight Sonata is played, it isn't played very well. (Granted, when they do play elements of the 5th, it sounds fucking awesome.) they had a GREAT opportunity to play some great music for a large audience that probably wasn't familiar with it, and they wasted it. Why? Possibly because they themselves don't know any more Beethoven than what is on the CD, but more likely because they didn't want to alienate anyone in their (CD-buying) audience by "taking down" to them with music that they don't recognize. ("Show-offs; they're just tying to show everyone how much classical music they know.) I don't know whether I feel sorrier for them or their ignorant audience.
Third, I think they overdid it with the Mozart references. I understand, and even like, how he's tied into the story; but, I just think it's too much. It's a shame the Figaro overture is one of thi highlights of the CD.
Fourth, references to Rimsky-Korsakov and the Grimm brothers are out of place, because as far as a I know, Beethoven was before their time.
It's really a shame, too, because the story is really good. Worthy of much better music than TSO gives it. I think O'Neil/Kinkel sorely underestimated Beethoven's music.
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> I have the Live version recorded from milan. Thanks to Napster =3D) > It does contain the sampled verses that you spoke of.
Was the version with samples from Milan or New York? I was under impression that it was from the Limelight. I mean, I know it was probably performed more than once, but I thought the only circulating recorded version was from NY.
> That is what I think to be at the heart of Metallica's lawsuit against > Napster, and if I'm right, I fully support Metallica.
You are right.
I don't know if it's occurred to anyone here, but let's not forget that even if you don't like Metallica, if they succeed in what they are trying to do here, that it may very well help out some other band that you do like. Sure, they're doing it for themselves and their own revenue, but not every band is a huge as Metallica. They're using their fame to stand up for the little guy, and every other band that stands to lose a large chunk of change from illegal mp3 trading.
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:40 +0200 From: SIVORI VIAGGI DI SIVORI NATALE <SIGMA.A3340301@STS.SIGMA.IT> To: YTSEJAM@TORCHSONG.COM Subject: RE:Dt&SB in It Message-ID: <200004201440.ysj4@sts.sigma.it>
--- Ricevuto da SIGMA.A3340301 0185/271390 20-04-00 16.40 -> YTSEJAM(A)TORCHSONG.COM -: - - - - - - - - - - > In a message dates 4/19/00 20:59:49 EDT JamesAhabSaol.com wrote
>It was the"Torini" show. dont even know if thats a city, all i know is >it was in italy. there were banana peels and water bottles thrown at >the band. ------------------------------ That's exactly the gig I'm talking about (the city's name in italian is Torino, Turin in english). I didn't notice anything wrong in the audience while SB were on stage.I watched their performance from the higher balcony, and everything seemed to be quiet.
BTW, it is nice to discover that we will get another chance to see DT live here in Italy, and it's the third time in eight months....wow!
A loud "Happy Birthday" (in 19/16, of course) to Mike Portnoy.
Later. Alex
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:10:49 CDT From: "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MIKE!!! Message-ID: <20000420151049.86691.qmail@hotmail.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to MIKE PORTNOY !!!!
JM
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:22:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kevin A. Loechner" <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Happy Birthday Mike Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000420102027.25373A-100000@pegasus>
Happy B-Day Mike Portnoy!!!
Thanks for putting on two of the best shows I have ever seen.
Later, Kevin
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:31:25 -0500 From: "Andrew Goktepe" <goktepe@citilink.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: tv/radio play Message-ID: <LPBBIGIDPFFOHABOBBFMIEBGCCAA.goktepe@citilink.com>
>>...looks >>> like LTE is getting more Radio play than DT these days!!! >> >>One of the local classic rocks stations around here routinely uses Steve >>Vai songs for the bockground music on commercials they produce for local >>businesses. I also heard a couple snippets from Merry Axemas vol 1 & 2 >>around Christmas time. >> >>-Dan. > >A tv show about Nintendo games here in Mexico has tracks #1 and #8 of LTE 1 >playing all the way in the background as the "hosts" talk about cheats and >stuff like that...I think the intro of the show has track #1...
There's a local tv commercial here in Minneapolis for some school, i can't remember which one, that is nothing but Home playing with their logo animated. Besides that, DT or LTE would never get any exposure around here. I also hear plenty of Extreme for background music in radio commercials (especially Guitar Center, they must really love those guys) but whenever I request any they literally laugh at me.
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:37:52 -0700 From: "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: X-mas CD covers!! Message-ID: <862568C7.005B4EBC.00@msc_nt2.matsci.com>
I know that I can get DT boot cover art on Line in the Sand, but I can't find scans for the front and back of the X-Mas cd's anywhere. Anyone have scans that they can send in .jpg format. I need 96, 97 and 98. Thanks again.
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:33:14 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re Photographing Gassy Pepper Pirates Message-ID: <014001bfaaee$830144a0$9a38fea9@madstation>
Re:Bafu
>>My brother's startup is now part-owned by a major company that owns a >>major share of the record business. Explain why this company has nixed >>the development of a really cool concept for streaming MP3 with >>awesome efficiency?
> Someone on this list has a habit of demanding hard facts and specific names. > He'll probably flame Chris for not naming the "major company." ;)
In the words of Groundskeeper Willie:
"You wanna get SUED?" (trust me, it sounds a lot funnier when he said it.)
"If you had a neck and I had hands, I would squeeze your brain, which is your body, right out the top of your head, which does not exist!" - Carl, of Carl and Son, makers of Chambraign
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:10:23 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: bitchin and moanin (read it anyway) Message-ID: <20000420191023.81358.qmail@hotmail.com>
>np: Phish - Peaches en Regalia.mp3
i prefer the dixie dregs' version as found on "California Screaming", but to each his own.
regarding napster, it's cool, i just looked at it after Metallica sued and this list started talking about it....not gonna abuse it, personally, but I wonder if Lars thought about the fact that by suing, and thereby bringing it to the consciousness of those who might not have previously realized it existed or otherwise never bothered checking it out (like....me!), he may have unintentionally widened the circle of those who might indeed abuse the product?
here's the whining part: if anyone who bothered reading anything i've said over the past week or so caught the last lines of my posts, they might have seen the letters "mri" and "acl" mentioned. The first (magnetic resonance imaging) was an exam that I failed miserably, meaning the second (anterior cruciate ligament) is completely torn in my left knee (or, what Jamal Anderson and Terrell Davis did to themselves last year). Meaning I'll get to go through surgery and all that good stuff. If any of you have done similarly evil things to yourself, and have gone through reconnective or reconstructive or whatever they call it surgery (haven't exactly seen the surgeon yet, so I'm at a loss for terminology), I'd appreciate your getting in touch and telling me a bit about the timecourse of recovery, of being able to do stuff (like play basketball or soccer), etc, after that procedure.
I want to hear it from a been there, done that point of view before i get it from a doctorly type....
apologies if necesssary for the ndtc. then again, if you require an apology for this post, (to borrow from the Prince/TAFKAP School of Spelling), "U R N ASS" :)
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:04:56 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Portnoy, 420, and Keeping the Faith Message-ID: <4d.318f5a8.2630e718@aol.com>
First of all, happy birthday to Mike! Secondly, HAPPY 4:20 everyone!! And lastly...has anyone seen "Keeping the Faith?" I heard there is a scene where the two guys from somewhere in New York are talking about the guy they went to high school with that smoked a lot of pot. They said his name was Mike something...then they said Portnoy. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
[eriC]
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:36:54 -0400 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT covers Message-ID: <20000420.204620.-973331.0.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
>O.K. just for fun, let's hear what covers you would like DT to play >live. Can be serious, can be funny, maybe even both.
How about Queen's "Keep Yourself Alive"??? ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:50:28 -0400 From: "SOS" <sos@akula.com> To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: New listener Message-ID: <000401bfab3c$5a927b80$e800a8c0@sos>
I first heard Dream Theater when they opened for Marillion at the Sundance club in Long Island, I think in 1989, maybe early 90. I was impressed with the first half of the set whaich was all instrumental as they had no singer at the time. They then said we have a surprise for you and introduced their new vocalist from Seattle, is that the same guy as now? I retreated to the bar at that point as this guy proceeded to prance around the stage like he was in Motley Crue or something!!
Anyway, onto my point - I picked up SFAM as I'd heard a couple of songs at my friends house. I love it and it's never out of my CD player lately. What I want is recommendations for the next purchase - what do you guys think?
SOS *************************** Andrew Ashmall-Liversidge sos@akula.com ICQ: 8808964 ***************************
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:13:31 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5437 Message-ID: <009f01bfab3f$92538660$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
another band I didn't expect to see here. How scary/good is this one compared to Heresie?
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:16:29 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5437 Message-ID: <00a601bfab3f$fc8f43c0$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
I accidently quoted somebody......... > another band I didn't expect to see here. > How scary/good is this one compared to Heresie?
OOPS..... I dunno what the hell happened here, I wasn't even trying to mail the jam....... just ignore me tonight...... ;)
- Joe D.
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