YTSEJAM Digest 5326
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
2) Re: the DTIFC thing again
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
4) Ticket Needed For Boston 2/27
by "Gordon Elgart" <gordon@videohunter.com>
5) Re: Un-subscribe me.
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
6) re: SFaM rant
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
7) Re: CDNow's shipping
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Will Dream T
by "Brad Watt" <bwatt@gotafe.vic.edu.au>
10) a plea for sanity
by Phil Carter <artoo@bellsouth.net>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5325
by "Greg Jones" <gregrjones@mindspring.com>
12) Re: Un-subscribe me.
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) RE: CDNow's shipping
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
14) Hiya and Thanx
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
15) Mega Death
by Pam Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
16) RE: CDNow's shipping
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
17) Re: Tone
by matt guillory <dali@best.com>
18) Re:About guitars and stuff
by "Nissinen Tommi"
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5323
by Fett2002@aol.com
20) Re: Floyd
by Fett2002@aol.com
21) Re: pop music/culture
by Fett2002@aol.com
22) Cleveland
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:10:53 -0600
From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324
Message-ID: <B4D5ECBD.2D53%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
Okay, I have to respond to a couple of things here. Everytime I resub to
this list it takes about three hours for me to get disgusted with the
arrogance and small-mindedness around here. Makes me wonder why I bother. Oh
well. Those of you who know coming in that I'm going to do nothing but piss
you off can tune out now. :)
> From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: JLB and more SFaM bitching, some queries, all DTC
> Message-ID: <20000220161629.14706.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
> all that crappy "hardcore dance" (y'know, the stuff that
> -whaever e;se they claim - sounds exactly like any other dance music).
I dunno who the heck you are, but all these kind of comments you make pretty
much shoot your cred. If you can't hear differences in any of those songs,
it's because your prejudice won't allow you to listen honestly. Nobody cares
what kind of music you like or don't like, but to dismiss something in that
fashion is a joke. Get over yourself.
> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:49:44 -0500
> From: "Greg Jones" <gregrjones@mindspring.com>
> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5323
> Message-ID: <002101bf7be4$060c69e0$78e58ad1@gregjones>
> I couldn't disagree more. The reason some people don't like the lyrics on
> SFAM is because they aren't ambiguous enough. Remember......ambiguity breeds
> depth. But the lyrics on SFAM are intentionally clear so as to tell the
> story. This is just what you'd expect from a concept album. It's also a
> limitation for a concept album. It's a trade off but not necessarily a
> deficit. Which do you want? A concept album or ambiguous (read deep) lyrics?
> You can't have both.
This is bull. You can write a good story without the schlock that SFaM is
rife with. It's not just an issue of being ambiguous or deep. It's an issue
of there being a poorly written narrative here.
Anyway, the lyrics are *definitely* not clear, intentionally or otherwise.
This is obvious from the amount of discussion here when the album came out
about what the storyline really was...nobody really knows what's going on,
and the band isn't saying. They want to leave it "open for interpretation."
> This is my third and my last request to unsubscribe me from this
> crapletter. The next request will be from my lawyer. All three
> requests are recorded and notarized. Don't push me.
> Thank you for including me, but no thanks.
Hahahaha. Oh boy. I can't believe how many clueless people there are in the
world. This list is a nice little microcosm. :P
> From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5323
> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002201633430.23230-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
>
>
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Greg Jones wrote:
>
>> I like James' sound on the new album because he doesn't overdue the
>> high notes and the vibrato. Someone else on this list complained
>> because he's suppressing his vibrato but to me, the vibrato vocals of
>> prog sound so cliched.
>
> Personally, I think this sounds like somebody who has been exposed to too
> much rock music and not enough of everything else. Just as an FYI:
> Vibrato is a result of singing CORRECTLY. The reason that James sang with
> vibrato in the other albums is because he was doing something that
> required a completely healthy voice (singing that high stuff is really
> hard to do). It's not cliched to sing properly, nor is it wrong to want
> to do so. The reason James sings without vibrato in these last two albums
> is probably because there was force coming from up above telling him not
> to do so. Too many pop and rock artists don't sing with vibrato because
> they don't have the skills necessary to do it properly, and that makes the
> people that DO use it seem out of the ordinary.
Blah, blah, blah, blah. Sheesh. Correctly my ass. Correctly for the kind of
music you're doing, sure. But lemme tell you, if you sang that way to most
rock songs, 99% of the people who heard it would laugh. It just doesn't fit.
To say that's the ONLY correct way to sing for ANY kind of music is arrogant
and assinine. Think of any rock band that really gets you going...Led Zep,
Megadeth, Rush, Slayer, Anthrax, whoever it might be. It would not work with
"correct" singing.
And because someone thinks that vibrato in prog is cliched, you assume that
they haven't listened to anything other than straight rock? Once again,
arrogant and assinine. I happen to agree with him. I don't mind the vibrato
most of the time, but when it's really accentuated it's right up there with
Yngwie's scalar runs, awful Peart-style lyrics about philosophy, and songs
about dragons. It makes me laugh.
-Brian
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:10:48 -0500
From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: the DTIFC thing again
Message-ID: <C8E7B315B47E3D11DACD00807CFD5BDB@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Thanks, Matt for having my back. The "blame" is not Nicole's. To
the contrary, IF there is blame it's in Holland. It's foolish for
the CD to be taking this long. I think many of us have shipped
things overseas. And I know the items got there much quicker than
this. I guess the Northeast is the area most effected by this.
Don't make sense. I guess ours are coming via three legged turtle.
I also think it's sad that an American band doesn't have a US branch
of their fan club. Certainly this is not our fault but the record
buying public. We can all admit that we're tired the wait. Nothing
wrong with that.
Rob
> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:49:39 EST
> From: MTeiper@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Piling On Kirby
>
> Actually, my take on Rob's original post was that he's not blaming
Kirby
> directly for the CD delay (which it sounded like you were implying
in your
> post, d-man).
My sincere apologies to Rob if I misunderstood him. But I had seen a
lot of posts in the Jams before that one bitching and moaning about
"Where's my damned CD? This system sucks" and all that, and I felt
that Kirby deserved some backup.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:35:29 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000221013529.01778268@pi-r-squared.com>
At 05:05 PM 2/20/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>could anyone give me any direction on how to unsubscribe to this so called
>newsletter? would reall appreciate it greatly!
>
Okay. Maybe that dude was right when he said people thought they were
resubscribing to the UACM newsletter when they signed up for the jam.
Everyone seems to be referring to it as a newsletter. Maybe Itchy should
send somethin out on the next nl saying if you accidentally subscribed to
the jam when you got that one issue, here's how to get off.
Palpatine
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"It was then that the natives approached me, and offered to kill him. I
still needed a him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I always
regretted losing the opportunity."
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:19:12 -0500
From: "Gordon Elgart" <gordon@videohunter.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Ticket Needed For Boston 2/27
Message-ID: <0b0a01bf7c09$a9bc40e0$515c8018@ne.mediaone.net>
I originally wasn't going to be able to go to this show, but due to a
schedule change, I can. Now I can't, as it is sold out. Does anyone have
an extra ticket? If you could spare one, I would be extremely happy!!
Gordon
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:15:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Un-subscribe me.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002202014350.1600-100000@vineyard.ecosoft.com>
I push you, I taunt you, I smite you..
This is my first and last request for you to stop showing me requests
for you to unsubscribe, any further attempts will be from my mom. These
requests are deleted and avoided. Do push me.
Thanks for not including you, you have to sign up for the list yourself
ya dumbass....
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, marcus
pedersen wrote:
>
> This is my third and my last request to unsubscribe me from this
> crapletter. The next request will be from my lawyer. All three
> requests are recorded and notarized. Don't push me.
> Thank you for including me, but no thanks.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:19:47 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: SFaM rant
Message-ID: <38B092B3.E6ECC56C@home.com>
> <<>If someone asked me what album to buy first for
> >DT to get a taste of them i would tell them SFAM.
>
> And they'd never listen to DT again. >>
Hmmm..... I played SFaM for two of the youngsters (high-school kids) at
work, and they liked it. Both of 'em actually attended the DT concert
here in Detroit last night.
And to give you an idea of what kind of music they like.....
One of them was into Semisonic, Load/Reload era Metallica, and Pearl
Jam, and the other was into ChumbaWumba and Marilyn Manson.
- Joe D.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:23:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: CDNow's shipping
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002202022080.38581-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Dave Thomas wrote:
> On a more on-topic note, I got two CDs in the mail yesterday from
> CDNow. They actually managed to ship out the CDs in a week, and not
> screw it up somehow. I was amazed. The two discs were Hooverphonic's
> "Blue Wonder Power Milk" (which kicks complete ass, and would probably
> annoy the hell out of most of this list) and the Iced Earth/Blind
> Guardian combo "Demons & Wizards" which is good, but not great so far
> (granted, I've only listened to it once, so I'll hold out on further
> commentary).
I ordered the Live in Tokyo video and they managed to get it shipped by
the next business day. I was absolutely amazed. Still haven't gotten any
word about my copy of Divine Wings of Tragedy that I ordered on the same
day, though...
I should be getting the video in the next day or two... I'm psyched.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:36:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002202027310.38581-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Brian Hayden wrote:
> Blah, blah, blah, blah. Sheesh. Correctly my ass. Correctly for the
> kind of music you're doing, sure. But lemme tell you, if you sang that
> way to most rock songs, 99% of the people who heard it would laugh. It
> just doesn't fit. To say that's the ONLY correct way to sing for ANY
> kind of music is arrogant and assinine. Think of any rock band that
> really gets you going...Led Zep, Megadeth, Rush, Slayer, Anthrax,
> whoever it might be. It would not work with "correct" singing.
For once I get to actually correct you, Brian. WRONG. I'll say it again:
WRONG. Vibrato IS the result of a "correct" singing technique. No ifs,
ands, or buts. You can argue all you want to about "whether or not the
style dictates the need for it," but all in all, if you are singing with a
HEALTHY tone that is completely free and not held by the vocal mechanism,
then you are singing with vibrato. There's just no argument in that. And
trust me, my teacher has forced all the mechanics of it down my throat.
You changed what I originally said into a matter of preference, which it
is not. If you'll notice, I said "Too many pop and rock artists don't
sing with vibrato because they don't have the skills necessary to do it
properly, and that makes the people that DO use it seem out of the
ordinary." I said out of the ordinary. I didn't say anywhere that
because he felt it was cliched that he was wrong, or that vibrato BELONGS
in all types of music.
> And because someone thinks that vibrato in prog is cliched, you assume
> that they haven't listened to anything other than straight rock? Once
> again, arrogant and assinine. I happen to agree with him. I don't mind
> the vibrato most of the time, but when it's really accentuated it's
> right up there with Yngwie's scalar runs, awful Peart-style lyrics
> about philosophy, and songs about dragons. It makes me laugh.
And I didn't say that he didn't listen to anything other than straight
rock. What I was implying in the statement about him being exposed to too
much rock music and NOT ENOUGH of everything else (not "nothing else") was
that HE thought that vibrato is cliched and that it shouldn't be there.
Why not? It's a completely natural thing to do, and yet it shouldn't be
in there? Sure, there are times when it shouldn't be there - it creates
tension in the voice when you sing without vibrato and that, in turn,
causes tension in the listener. That makes it great for those moments
when you want a lot of tension in the air. But I just don't understand
why a person would call something that is SUPPOSED to be in the voice in
order for it to be a healthy tone "cliched."
Man 1: "God, I can't believe he's singing with vibrato."
Man 2: "Why?"
Man 1: "Well, for crissake, people have been singing with vibrato since
the time Bach was alive. You'd think they'd have gotten sick of it by
now."
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ICQ: 2513441
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it anyway because I already gave away all of his
stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of
humor.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:47:00 +1100
From: "Brad Watt" <bwatt@gotafe.vic.edu.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Will Dream T
Message-ID: <s8b133e6.001@fryweb.gotafe.vic.edu.au>
Will Dream Theater every come down under to play in the land of OZ =
(australia)
It would be the great to see the boy's from Dream Theater in Australia, =
can someone tell the boy's to come to OZ.
Thank you.
Brad.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:46:05 -0500
From: Phil Carter <artoo@bellsouth.net>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: a plea for sanity
Message-ID: <4.1.20000220203622.009c6e60@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids......
Recently we've seen an influx of "unsubscribe me!" threats and other fun
diatribes. I'm going to run out on a limb here and say a couple things:
1) Don't bother sending unsubscription replies to the Jam. By the time
someone's pissed off enough to send "unsub me you fuckers" emails, they're
not reading the Jam anymore anyway.
2) Don't comment about the unsub reply or the idiot who wrote it. The last
jam had about six replies ABOUT the unsub and most of them were just
commenting on what an idiot the guy is. (The thing that really surprised me
is that some of the replies were from longtime list members who ought to
have better things to do with their time -- hi D-Man, hi Partha, hi Dave,
hi Gaz) :P
3) *Do* send unsub instructions to the dude who wants out. Ignoring them is
fun, but then we all have to deal with fifty more "take me off!" requests.
It takes about three seconds to cut n' paste a reply with the appropriate
instructions. CC: it to multiple addresses if necessary.
Just a few remarks. Flame away if you like, but pointing fingers and
laughing at the idiots aren't going to get rid of them, unfortunately. :)
cheers,
Phil
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"Music, the greatest good that mortals know / And all of heaven we have below."
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:26:35 -0500
From: "Greg Jones" <gregrjones@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5325
Message-ID: <000c01bf7c13$14de5080$13e78ad1@gregjones>
>
> Greg Jones wrote..
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tone is primarily in the gear, fingers
> play a smaller role. Playing is primarily in the fingers, gear plays a
> smaller role.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A typical guitarists reply. I disagree.
>Basic tone come from technique,
> changing gear is like EQing the basic sound. Because most electric
> guitarists are self taught they never think about getting a good tone via
> playing technique.
Don't stereotype me. Sure a lot of my guitar training is self-taught but
I've also been taught by 4 separate guitar teachers. I am also classically
trained on the violin and piano. What do you think EQ affects? TONE! Which
affects tone more? EQ/amps/effects or fingers? The answer is easy. The gear.
Answer my original question. Why did Eddie Van Halen's tone change from Roth
to post Roth? His fingers didn't change. His gear did. He went from playing
Marshall Plexis to playing Soldano/Peavey 5150's! He went from playing lots
of analog verb and phaser to playing tons of Eventide Chorus.
In classical music training good tome is taught hand in
> hand with what is commonly referred to technique.
In this statement, you seem to be admitting that tone and technique are
separate. If we can agree on this, then how can you say tone is in the
fingers? Technique, now that is in the fingers.
The guy on this mailing list that mentioned how he saw sucky guitarist
playing through a ton of great gear was wrong to say that the guy's tone
sucked. His playing sucked.
I'm going to say it one more time, and unless you can refute this statement,
I'm right (sorry to sound so closed-minded)! If I played an open D chord
through Eddie Van Halen's gear, and EVH played the same open D chord through
his gear, you couldn't tell a difference. The same would be true if both of
us played an open D chord through crappy gear. OTOH, if you compared EVH
playing an open D chord through his gear, to his open D chord through crappy
gear, you'd immediately hear a difference. Furthermore, if I played anything
that I wanted through any gear, and EVH played like EVH through the same
gear, the difference you would hear would be that of technique. If it's
tone, then why couldn't you tell the difference when both of us played the
open D chord?
Greg
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:48:48 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Un-subscribe me.
Message-ID: <200002210248.SAA01168@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., marcus pedersen thus begged:
>
>This is my third and my last request to unsubscribe me from this
>crapletter. The next request will be from my lawyer. All three
>requests are recorded and notarized. Don't push me.
>Thank you for including me, but no thanks.
When you subscribed, you basically signed an agreement saying you would
never try to unsubscribe from the list, this is a legal contract, your
lawyer can try all they want, but you will lose in court.
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:10:27 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: CDNow's shipping Message-ID: <004101bf7c19$33f23080$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Andrew Coutermarsh > > I ordered the Live in Tokyo video and they managed to get it > shipped by > the next business day. I was absolutely amazed. Still > haven't gotten any > word about my copy of Divine Wings of Tragedy that I ordered > on the same > day, though...
Oh, hahahaha!
Sorry, just had to laugh there, since CDNow and my attempt at ordering DWoT was one of the reasons I stopped ordering stuff from them. I think I waited about three months before they finally told me that they couldn't get me a copy. I ordered it from Laser's Edge, and had it in a week or so, and for less money. I will never, ever order anything listed as import/limited stock from CDNow, since to them these listings mean "we can't be bothered".
Hope you have better luck than I did.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:02:11 +1100 From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Hiya and Thanx Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9B366CE3@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
Hi jammers :)
Just wanted to say thanx from Aussieland for all the feedback about DT in Australia. You were very helpful and gave me a few more open windows
Wish me luck and lest hope they come and show us what they can do!!
Cheers,
Marie
***The Spirit Carries On***
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:26:46 -0600 From: Pam Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mega Death Message-ID: <l03020900b4d66e1a21cf@[209.224.19.39]>
Tim Detman wrote - >its really hard for me to consider dave mustaine to be a good musician. >yeah, he's got some skills. but i can't believe how shitty his music is >getting.
I totally agree with Tim. I saw Mega Death in 98 and they were terrible, the sound was so bad I didn't even recognize which songs they were playing.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: CDNow's shipping Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10002202322210.51447-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Dave Thomas wrote:
> Sorry, just had to laugh there, since CDNow and my attempt at ordering > DWoT was one of the reasons I stopped ordering stuff from them. I > think I waited about three months before they finally told me that > they couldn't get me a copy. I ordered it from Laser's Edge, and had > it in a week or so, and for less money. I will never, ever order > anything listed as import/limited stock from CDNow, since to them > these listings mean "we can't be bothered". > > Hope you have better luck than I did.
See, that's odd, because when I ordered Twilight in Olympus from them I had no problems getting it. I hope your horror stories aren't true... I think the reason I haven't gotten it is because I ordered it just over the weekend, so they haven't been open to be able to get it. From what I understand, it said it was in stock, just in a different shipping station from the video (hence the reason that it didn't get sent at the same time as the video).
Besides, the only reason I ordered it through CDNow was because I had a $15-off coupon for an order of $30 or more, and the total of the CD and the video came to less than it would have been had it just been the CD under normal circumstances.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:43:01 -0800 From: matt guillory <dali@best.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Tone Message-ID: <38B0C254.BCC9071C@best.com>
>Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:21:22 -0000 >From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk> >To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Tone >Message-ID: <000d01bf7bf0$e88ebfa0$8825883e@freeserve.co.uk>
>Greg Jones wrote..
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>Tone is primarily in the gear, fingers >play a smaller role. Playing is primarily in the fingers, gear plays a >smaller role. >------------------------------------------------------------------------
>A typical guitarists reply. I disagree. Basic tone come from technique, >changing gear is like EQing the basic sound. Because most electric >guitarists are self taught they never think about getting a good tone via >playing technique. In classical music training good tome is taught hand in >hand with what is commonly referred to technique.
>I do agree that gear choice is an important factor but I think of it as
>EQing rather than altering the basic tone, which IS played derived.
I'm not a guitarist, but I definately agree with you Tristam. Over the years I've seen a number of guitarists that go out and buy buttloads of gear in hopes of achieving the "ultimate tone." I think of gear as perhaps more of an enhancement more than anything else. I'm a firm believer that the majority of tone is a result of the relationship between the fingers and the strings.
-Matt
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Date: 21 Feb 2000 06:50:00 +0300 From: "Nissinen Tommi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:About guitars and stuff Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAIqUwgABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
Janne Lunnas (19.2.2000 13:58): >By the way I bought new Stratovarius album Infinite yesterday from Oulu(, Finland)..have other >Finnish jammers bought it already=3F
I Couldn=B4t agree with you more. I think it=B4s their best job! The songs= like Freedom and Mother Gaia make shivers goin=B4 down my spine. And Jens=B4 key= board playing is amazing (as always). And the production the highest quality (aga= in).
Later, Tommi
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:10:02 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5323 Message-ID: <ea.2263a3c.25e222aa@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/20/00 10:55:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Did anyone catch Mustaine in Rock n roll jeopardy on vh1? he kicked George Clinton and Moon Zappa's ass!! Its cool to see actual good musicians there instead of top40 pretty faces.. >>
Yeah, I saw that. Moon Unit was just plain annoying. I hate the fact that her and her 2 no-talent brothers keep getting jobs and making appearances and such just becasuse of who their dad was. I wish these netwoeks would get it through their head that no one gives a rat's ass about Moon Unit, Dweezil, or the other one who's name escapes me! Am I the only one who is annoyed by these 3 losers? -Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:11:51 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Floyd Message-ID: <c0.171e96f.25e22317@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/20/00 10:55:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< >phenomenal. And by the way 94 PF Division Bell >was by far the best concert I've ever seen and >that includes seeing DT 5 great times and Liquid >Tension once. >Absolutely agreed. That's probably why Floyd's hiding at the moment: how the hell >would they EVER top that? How can ANYONE top that? This was six years ago, >and no-one's even come close to even matching it yet. >>
Don't worry, they'll be back when they want more money, since that's all they're about these days. -Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:19:31 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: pop music/culture Message-ID: <28.215bd27.25e224e3@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/20/00 4:45:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< >What I hate is how the majority of people in general will listen to whatever >top 40 radio shoves down their throats. No matter what song is played, as >long as is played pretty constantly blah blah blah blah blah blah blah >Your problem is that you are expecting other people to assign the >same importance to music as you do. This is such a common thing to do, >but if Jesus Q. Pubic doesn't really care about music anyway, and is just >looking >for something to listen to as background for his life's activities, of course >he's >going to accept whatever Top 40 throws at him. >>
I'm not "expecting" other people to assign the same importance to music I do, just "hoping." I realize though however, that it's vain most of the time to do this, especially when most everyone says "I love music." Nonetheless, you're point is understood. -Mike C. P.S. Sorry for all these recent posts!
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:32:48 -0500 From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Cleveland Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000221053248.00f4d380@gwis.com>
I'm sure a number of people have already reviewed the Cleveland concert, but I'll throw in my two cents worth as well. The day before I'd received a call from Dregs bassist Andy West asking me if I'd like to come up and see the show. Hell yeah! Thanks, Andy!
I got there a bit late and missed a couple songs from the Dregs set, but otherwise it was definitely a killer! I hadn't seen the Dregs since the Industry Standard tour when it hit the old Agora. That place had later burned down, but that was still years ago. Thursday's concert was in a different building where the Agora resurrected itself. This came up in conversation with Andy after the show. It was kind of funny because Andy remembered playing the Agora during the Industry Standard tour, but just couldn't reconcile this building with his memory. He was relieved to know it wasn't due to loss of brain cells! LOL!!!
The DT set was truly exceptional. And while I often recommend earplugs for concerts, some who've already caught this tour may understand when I say I might recommend sunglasses for this show as well! LOL!!! While all members were really hot that night, I really had my ears open for James LaBrie. A few months back I'd hosted an IRC Chat with him. After the chat he and I spoke for a while and one of the topics that came up was opera. He was not familiar with opera, but was looking to check some out. I'm a bit of an opera buff and made some recommendations to him.
Anyway, I was keen on checking out his vocal technique in a live performance situation. I doubt he's had the chance to check out any of the opera recommendations I gave him yet, but overall, I have to rate his technique highly. I know of many vocalists who sound great on record, but stink in live performances. Certainly not the case here. He paced himself well between ballads and rockers and no doubt took good advantage of the instrumental breaks. In fact, I would say that James will keep that voice much longer than many of his contemporaries. Overall I was amazed that it held up so well in such a smoky building. But then I did see him hit the water bottles quite regularly, so I'm sure that helped. Of course, with all that water he was drinking, maybe it wasn't so surprising that he got off the stage so quickly during the extended instrumental breaks! LOL!
Gary
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