YTSEJAM Digest 5325
Today's Topics:
1) Comments, etc. re: DT concert, 2.18.2K
by Tim McCaskey <mccaske1@pilot.msu.edu>
2) No DTC here, move along, buh bye!
by eckie@asu.edu
3) Re: Un-subscribe me.
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
4) Re: SFaM rant
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5323
by graham@renegade2K.com
6) Re: Un-subscribe me.
by graham@renegade2K.com
7) Tone
by "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
8) HUH?
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
9) Re: SFaM rant
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
10) idiots will yet rule the world
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
11) The Johns
by Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
12) RE: idiots will yet rule the world
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
13) Dream Theater rare MP3
by BrianSteedman@aol.com
14) synth horn
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
15) Megadeth changes! Film at 11!
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
16) Re: JLB and more SFaM bitching, some queries, all DTC
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
17) Re: Un-subscribe me.
by Matt J Lough <lough@home.com>
18) RE: Megadeth changes! Film at 11!
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
19) DT in Portland Radio
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>
20) Re: Dave mustaine on vh1
by "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com>
21) Re: Dave mustaine on vh1
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
22) RE: Un-subscribe me.
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324
by DWADESTER@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:44:06 -0500
From: Tim McCaskey <mccaske1@pilot.msu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Comments, etc. re: DT concert, 2.18.2K
Message-ID: <38B06026.A81FC797@pilot.msu.edu>
Hello jammers,
I attended, with a group of 7 friends, the DT concert at the State
Theater in Detroit on 2/18. Both the Dregs and DT were at the top of
their game from beginning to end, and I wanted to share some
observations and comments.
I was pleasantly surprised to hear the little "Amazing Grace" interlude
that JP and Jordan did together. I believe an e-bow was used, it
sounded pretty sweet. The overall concert mix was very good. Since I
knew what to listen for, I heard all the parts when I wanted to, but
there were some bits in which I wished Jordan was louder.
John Myung covered very well for Tony's bass parts in the "Paradigm
Shift" blurb they did. There were also some funny instances where James
noticed a girl dancing up in the balcony and pointed her out. He then,
two times during the show, imitated what she was doing. I got a chuckle
out of that. At the end, DT told us they'd see us again next summer
(another tour in the works?)
Now, I don't know how many of you agree with me (those who have seen the
show), but the crowds seemed a bit less pumped than previous tours.
Don't get me wrong, I think the fact that they played M2 all the way
through was a real treat. The problem is, since the people who know the
album knew exactly what was coming, they didn't get as psyched when the
next song came on. The ovation at the end was rousing, but the audience
seemed to get more into it when they played the older stuff (I thought
their version of "Fortune in Lies" was pretty cool, personally).
Anyway, some of my friends shared that opinion afterward as well. Take
it or leave it. I'd still suggest that if you don't have a ticket, get
one. Your jaw will drop.
I'll shut up now, have a nice day...
Tim (NP: Bad Religion - American Jesus.mp3)
-- ------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail me at mccaske1@pilot.msu.edu URL (updated 2/2000): http://www.msu.edu/~mccaske1 ------------------------------------------------------------- "You tried your best, and you failed miserably! The lesson is, never try." - Homer Simpson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:53:16 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: No DTC here, move along, buh bye! Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000220143845.12441A-100000@email2.asu.edu>
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Awake had an opinion:
> >Petruccius says, "It's all in the fingers."
> Bollocks. Obviously the amp is the absolute decider, but at the business end of the cable, I'd say: it's about 50% in the fingers, 40% in the pickups, 5% in the strings and 5% in the construction of the guitar (wood, hardtail or whammy etc).
I one up your bollocks and I say bullshit! >:) If only I could get you down here to listen to some of these local bands who play through relatively nice gear and sound like absolute crap soley because they don't know how to play through it correctly. (Then again, we're debating a wholey subjective artform here, they probably wanted to sound like a drowning cat strapped with a muzzle, but most likely, I'm sure they didn't know how to play the stuff). One band in particular I saw back in 98 at the Big Fish Pub in Tempe, AZ; the guitarist had a tri axis going through a 2:90 with some kind of effects processor, all amplifying his custom ESP guitar.
But once their act started up, I almost cried. The abuse of such a beautiful rig...just mind blowing. I've listened to elephants giving birth who had more distinguishable tone than this guy. And this guitarist was all geared up for a rap core band no less (think of a really bad Korn imposter band). Boggles the imagination.
But then again, it's all subjective. :) Dream Theater rules!
~Eckie is going for 32 hours and still conscious!
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:18:38 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Un-subscribe me. Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000220221838.01745478@pi-r-squared.com>
At 01:03 PM 2/20/00 -0800, you wrote: > >This is my third and my last request to unsubscribe me from this >crapletter. The next request will be from my lawyer.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Okay sorry. Look. There have been NUMEROUS posts detailing how to do this. We CANNOT remove you. You MUST remove yourself. I'm assuming you found out about the jam through UACM, well in the same place you found how to subscribe, they tell you how to UNsubscribe. It's not that difficult.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:10:30 -0500 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFaM rant Message-ID: <AB5EC064547E3D11DA4C0005B813E913@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
<<>If someone asked me what album to buy first for >DT to get a taste of them i would tell them SFAM.
And they'd never listen to DT again. >>
Well, thats your opinion. When Scenes came out, I plugged it to my friends in school (mind you, Im a High school Junior, so my friends would be a bunch of 16/17 year olds) and sure enough there is now at least 10+ kids that I turned on to DT with SFaM alone, most of them dont know any of their other albums, and those that do, still think that Scenes is the best out of all of them.
Matt ============================= Now you've got your voice Your own speech Don't wait 'till Someone else agrees -Rafael Bittencourt, Angra ============================= Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:18:53 +1100 From: graham@renegade2K.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5323 Message-ID: <200002210121.UAA30958@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> TAKE ME OFF THIS STUPID LIST! 90% OF WHAt is posted on this mb is > total crap that has nothing to do w/ music at all you people ruined > something that had some possibilities. but then again you all may > only be 12 years old ..then i would understand!!
That's it I am calling the idiot Police and having you charged with 3 degree annoyance and 1st degree stupidity..........
gaz
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:18:53 +1100 From: graham@renegade2K.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Un-subscribe me. Message-ID: <200002210121.UAA30951@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> This is my third and my last request to unsubscribe me from this > crapletter. The next request will be from my lawyer. All three > requests are recorded and notarized. Don't push me. > Thank you for including me, but no thanks.
Is it really so hard to unsubscribe from this list ? It's the exact opposite of subscribing........
Evereyone gets a joining letter, but apparently the less mentally challenged haven't figured out it's sent to you for a reason.
Or maybe it is me, unsubbing is the new modern cyber age equivalent of splitting the atom ? Or could it be compared with nuclear physics ? Or a man giving birth ?
Yeah and I'll contacting the idiot Police and having you charged with being a dork..........
gaz
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:21:22 -0000 From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Tone Message-ID: <000d01bf7bf0$e88ebfa0$8825883e@freeserve.co.uk>
Greg Jones wrote..
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tone is primarily in the gear, fingers play a smaller role. Playing is primarily in the fingers, gear plays a smaller role. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
A typical guitarists reply. I disagree. Basic tone come from technique, changing gear is like EQing the basic sound. Because most electric guitarists are self taught they never think about getting a good tone via playing technique. In classical music training good tome is taught hand in hand with what is commonly referred to technique.
I do agree that gear choice is an important factor but I think of it as EQing rather than altering the basic tone, which IS played derived.
------------------------------------------------- Tristam Douglas tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:24:51 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: HUH? Message-ID: <v04220809b4d618de1ec7@[192.168.1.1]>
>extraenious shit like the last five minutes of BTL, the first minute and a >half of THE, and the whole of TDOE, some of those excruciating samples in FF >that make me have to turn the volume down halfway through) was flawed.
Well, the end of BTL and TDOE are my absolute favorites, and I really love James' vocals on this album.
But maybe it's just because I'm a DT fan and you're not.
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:44:28 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFaM rant Message-ID: <38B07C5C.DA86B89@yunque.net>
Matt Molite wrote:
> <<>If someone asked me what album to buy first for > >DT to get a taste of them i would tell them SFAM. > > And they'd never listen to DT again. >> > > Well, thats your opinion. When Scenes came out, I plugged it to my > friends in school (mind you, Im a High school Junior, so my friends > would be a bunch of 16/17 year olds) and sure enough there is now at > least 10+ kids that I turned on to DT with SFaM alone, most of them > dont know any of their other albums, and those that do, still think > that Scenes is the best out of all of them.
me and my brother have both had similar experiences with sfam he's turned at least 3 or 4 of his friends, including his GF into dt with SFAm.. and i know at least 4 ppl who i graduated with who made fun of me for listening to DT and for liking prog and DT who now are avid DT fans b/c of sfam
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:49:37 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: idiots will yet rule the world Message-ID: <20000220224937.97088.qmail@hotmail.com>
i mean, maybe i shouldn't talk, the way i'musing a free e-mail server, but unsubscribe requests from aol and webtv in one jam (and legal threats to boot!)is verging on ridiculously laughable.
One thing: sending instructions on how to get off the jam to the jam itself probably won't help, because as pissed off at it as they seem, they probably aren't reading it.
Another thing: there has to be some kind of fraud going on, somebody signing up people who don't wish to be on this list, because after the sub-list meltdown just a few weeks ago, there can't be this many people who got the message of "re-sub required", subbed on, and decided they don't want to be here, and don't know how to get out.
Maybe there are that many idiots in the world, but it's getting to be an every-digest kind of thing, and possibly worse (in terms of frequency) than I've ever seen it on the list....
partha
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:57:34 +0100 From: Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Johns Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000220235734.00726334@online.no>
>What secret track? Where? Tell me about it?
It's the track which will be featured on the "Through Her Eyes" single. The track is called "When Images And Words Unite", and can be found at http://www.elektra.com/retro/dream/index.html
>Also - someone had a sig with a quote from John P regarding John M - where >did that come from?
Wow, that was me :) I cut it from an interview with John. He was asked how it was going back to Myung after the Liquid Tension sessions with Tony Levin.
< flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 >
"Working with John is like taking a shower. It's something you do." - John Petrucci about Myung
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:02:10 -0500 From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: idiots will yet rule the world Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMOEKBEEAA.td4235@ship.edu>
i signed up for this a few weeks ago after the "meltdown" i've been getting the UACM newsletter for a while now. and in that newsletter they mentioned that if you were on the jam you would have to resubscribe. that confused me cause i didn't even know what the jam was. so i subscribed for it. but i actually like it. anyway, maybe other people did the same thing i did and signed up for this cause they were confused. now they want off. just a theory
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:05:30 EST From: BrianSteedman@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Theater rare MP3 Message-ID: <13.1b2d071.25e1cd3a@aol.com>
Just wondering if any jammers know of any sites that have rare and unreleased MP3's...the sites through the official website either only have the real audio non-downloadable files, or the links don't work. Any help would be appreciated...thanks....Brian
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:06:30 PST From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: synth horn Message-ID: <20000220230630.85083.qmail@hotmail.com>
Someone wrote: it took a while for me to get used to that\"trumpet part," but now I even like that. I actually see how it's like metal jazz fusion>and it does fit.
Then someone else wrote:No it doesn't; and that's nothing at all to do with the choice of patch, it's the scale JR's using. It sits uneasily at best into the song. The best possible conclusion for BTL is to fade it when that tremoloed guitar comes in before the instrumental package
Me: I used to HATE that synth horn part, because of the cheesy patch that JR's using, but now it's one of my favorite parts of the CD. It does fit uneasily into the song, but that's intentional, IMHO. It "meanders like a drunk, bumping into harmonic walls but never falling down completely" , somewhat like Larry Lalonde of Primus (missed 'em on friday...stupid blizzard =^(.) -Banjoman np: TOny Trishcka Band - Bend ps - If you want metal/jazz fusion, check out Tribal Tech! ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:14:49 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Megadeth changes! Film at 11! Message-ID: <200002202314.SAA03405@optical.mindstorm.com>
(My apologies if a half-reply shows up before this. My mailer just barfed at me. Don't press LeftAlt-Q in emacs.)
A thousand monkeys in ytsejam@torchsong.com's basement typed:
> Date: 20 Feb 2000 16:41:54 -0000 > From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> > Subject: There's more. > > >Besides, at least Howe's more exciting than Billy >"Sherwood be nice to play more than just boring > >rhythm parts". :) > > Be fair, that's what he's there for. It's like saying "Why don't Guy > Pratt and Jon Carin play solos with Floyd" - well, because they're > just musicians hired in to backup the remains of Floyd!
Then why hire him? He did one exciting thing all night. And even that was probably because Steve wouldn't do it (it was an 80s song). I just thought it was weird to see a guy taking up space.
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> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:54:46 -0500 > From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu> > Subject: RE: Dave mustaine on vh1 > > its really hard for me to consider dave mustaine to be a good musician. > yeah, he's got some skills.
It takes more than skill to be a good musician?
> band because "megadeth" doesn't represent the band. listen to any song on > rust in peace, then listen to the new one. > that shit pisses me off.
Yeah, I hate it when a band changes. I'd much rather have 16 copies of "Rush" than have to deal with "Fly By Night", "Caress of Steel", "Hemispheres", ...
Hey, MP, you reading this? Enough with changing, growing up, getting married, having kids, replacing keyboardists... Kick out Jordan and James, and get Kevin and Charlie back. Tim and I want to hear "When Dream And Day Unite II"! We've been paying good money for your albums, and dammit, you owe us. You better write precisely what we want to hear, or else. What's your address? I'll send you some sheet music for the stuff I think you should record next.
> a few years ago metallica pissed me off when they
[No, this won't be a Metallica argument. -d] Why?!? Now, I was certainly disappointed when Metallica released "Metallica", because it wasn't what I was used to, and it wasn't what I was hoping to hear. But it didn't piss me off. It would have pissed me off if I were in the band. But they're four guys that I've never met, who have things happen to them in their daily lives over which I have no control. Rather than get pissed, I just stopped buying their albums, and went on to get pissed about things that matter, like Calculus.
Don't take what Megadeth (or any band) does personally. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it's not reciprocated.
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> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:44:37 -0800 (PST) > From: Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com> > Subject: question > > I am wondering if anybody can help me out. My friend > and I are both dying to see Dream Theater here in the > Dallas show in March. But there is one problem. My > friend and I are both 15, the place they are playing > at is for people 18 and older, no exceptions. I was
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, Mark, but you're SOL. When I was 15, fortunately enough for me, I was into bands that played football stadiums and hockey arenas (VH, Metallica, Rush, etc). The club thing wasn't an issue for me. Unfortunately for you, DT is not yet at the level where they can play anything but a club (at least, not in the US), and the laws that are in place (presumably to protect you from an "adult atmosphere") ain't gonna change anytime soon.
> wondering if anybody knows Mik Portnoys, or anybody > from DT e-mail address or any way of contactin them.
I know that Mike would love to help you, but his hands are tied as well. As stated in another post, the band is out of the loop, as far as booking shows, choosing venues, etc.
(At least you're in a part of the world where it's possible to see DT. It could be worse. You could be Warren in Oregon.) (Oh, hi Warren. :) My suggestions: 1) Learn to be satisfied with Live in Tokyo. 2) Go see other bands live. 3) Go to NearFest, and at least you'll get to see Mike play. 4) Start trading bootlegs. 5) Go to Europe.
Wish I could tell ya something else.
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> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:54:33 -0500 (EST) > From: car97fan@webtv.net (marcus pedersen) > Subject: Un-subscribe me. > > This is my third and my last request to unsubscribe me from this > crapletter. The next request will be from my lawyer. All three > requests are recorded and notarized.
Just curious -- how does one notarize an e-mail? (I'd sit around waiting for your reply, but it's pathetically clear that you can't figure e-mail out.)
> Don't push me.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:22:16 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: JLB and more SFaM bitching, some queries, all DTC Message-ID: <001f01bf7bf9$53a293e0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> >I've noticed how hard it is to keep my vibrato > >out of my voice and yet still sing with any > > Really? How do you get it INTO your voice, I can't do it at all?
I have recently learned where the vibrato comes from. I am taking a beginning voice class and asked why opera singers have so much vibrato. The teacher said it is a natural result of singing with an open, relaxed throat. The muscles in your larynx pulsate or something like that to create the vibrato.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:35:27 -0500 From: Matt J Lough <lough@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Un-subscribe me. Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000220183524.0079c930@mail.abdn1.md.home.com>
you know if you reques your unsubbing in the proper way, you wouldn't have the problem of not getting unsubbed. the list may be monitored, but it's similar to listbot, there are commands for each user to activate/deactivate a service. do it the proper way, and i'm sure it will unsub you. i'm going to search for the letter so you can do it. i'm just trying to help you out. piece.
At 01:03 PM 2/20/00 -0800, you wrote: > >This is my third and my last request to unsubscribe me from this >crapletter. The next request will be from my lawyer. All three >requests are recorded and notarized. Don't push me. >Thank you for including me, but no thanks. > >
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:36:15 -0500 From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Megadeth changes! Film at 11! Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMOEKCEEAA.td4235@ship.edu>
>> band because "megadeth" doesn't represent the band. listen to any song on >> rust in peace, then listen to the new one. >> that shit pisses me off.
> Yeah, I hate it when a band changes. I'd much rather have 16 copies > of "Rush" than have to deal with "Fly By Night", "Caress of Steel", > "Hemispheres", ... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
as i reread what i wrote previously i find what i said about band changing to be amusing. i consider myself a fan of "progressive rock/metal" which means: pro)B·gres·sive adj. 1.Moving forward; advancing. 2.Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change. 3.Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive business leadership.
its kind of ironic that we have no problems with bands that we expect to change when they classify themselves as "progressive." but when bands i.e. metallica, megadeth etc... make drastic changes to their sound we choose not to accept it. i guess it really comes down to bands changing their sounds to sell more records. they say that it happens naturally. give me a break though. that is what makes me angry. at least with bands like dream theater and other prog bands, we expect their sound to change on every album. they don't seem to be quite as concerned with selling tons of albums. -tim
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:47:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT in Portland Radio Message-ID: <20000220234745.17341.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>
In Ytsejam 5324, Warren (another Portland resident) wrote this:
> Portland SUCKS when it comes to music. This is a blues and jazz town.
You got a problem with blues and jazz? Eh? Didn't think so. Now pipe down before I drag you out to the club where I play (near Hillsboro) for some good old-fashioned Rock & Roll. There's quite a bit of good local music here if you know how to appreciate it. ;)
> You will almost NEVER hear a DT song on the radio here. In fact one DJ > here named...you'll like this.."Craig the Dog Faced Boy" commented on > SFAM when it was released saying something like..."their music is too > complicated to listen to" This MORON typifies the mindset here.
That "moron" is a DJ, and most likely one of the program directors, of a radio station -- one which you are NOT forced to hear. Personally, I've heard KUFO play "Just Let Me Breathe" and "You Not Me" more than a few times, 2 years ago, back when FII was released. I think I also heard "Home" once and it was the radio edit. "Pull Me Under" gets occasionaly play as well. Calling up the radio station and complaining vigorously is going to do NOTHING to get them to play the music.
Dogface is kinda funny (in a sick, sad way) and it's up to him (and the station management) to decide what gets played on his shift. You might have more luck with the late night-shift people, as they seem to be more open to requests.
> I don't > blame the management for skipping Portland. Seattle is probably similar > although I don't know firsthand. So be pissed off just don't blame OFB.
There is a good fan base here. For Mike Portnoy w/ Jonathan Mover at the Sabian drum clinic in January 1999, we PACKED out Portland Music. Really. DT had a concert here in November '97 for the FII tour, and filled up the Roseland. They'll probably tour here soon enough, after they go to Europe and back. In the meantime, travel somewhere else like the rest of us. If DT played *every* city with a decent fan base for each tour, they'd probably never finish touring and be able to spend time in the studio -- or with their families.
> Warren in Porland
Quit knockin' Portland, man. Ease up.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:18:31 -0500 From: "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Dave mustaine on vh1 Message-ID: <001d01bf7c01$2f431440$636a0d18@abdn1.md.home.com>
I have to venture and say, Dave Mustaine didn't have much competition on that show. That one was on VH1 a long time ago, they just keep repeating it. And BTW, George Clinton was the only good musician on that show. Moon just used the airtime to plug her own work, and her family's work. It's just sad to see Big George showing the effects of the rediculous amounts of narcotics/alcohol he's used over the years. He still is a genius. I still wouldn't call Dave a great musician. Piece.
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Carlos A. Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: Dave mustaine on vh1
> > > Did anyone catch Mustaine in Rock n roll jeopardy on vh1? he kicked > George Clinton and Moon Zappa's ass!! > Its cool to see actual good musicians there instead of top40 pretty > faces.. > > > -- > > Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. > Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. > Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. > mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org > > >
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:35:02 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dave mustaine on vh1 Message-ID: <38B09646.D77FF6FE@yunque.net>
Matt J Lough wrote:
> I have to venture and say, Dave Mustaine didn't have much competition on > that show. That one was on VH1 a long time ago, they just keep repeating > it. And BTW, George Clinton was the only good musician on that show. Moon > just used the airtime to plug her own work, and her family's work. It's > just sad to see Big George showing the effects of the rediculous amounts of > narcotics/alcohol he's used over the years. He still is a genius. I still > wouldn't call Dave a great musician. Piece.
Well i said *good* musicians. And *yes* i consider dave to be one. mainly because *his* band has been putting out *great* music for a long time. Im the first to admit i dont like Risk, but dave is still the same person that plays in Rust in peace and countdown to extinction. Both are albums that *I* consider to be *excellent music*.
Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:55:34 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Un-subscribe me. Message-ID: <003801bf7c06$5cedce80$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > marcus pedersen > > This is my third and my last request to unsubscribe me from this > crapletter. The next request will be from my lawyer. All three > requests are recorded and notarized. Don't push me. > Thank you for including me, but no thanks.
I usually delete these without looking at them, but this has to be the funniest "unsubscribe" message I've ever seen. It's also a sad, sad commentary on our society when someone threatens to use a lawyer to get them off an e-mail list that they signed themselves up for. I can just see it now, "The People Vs. Skadz" headed for the Supreme Court. Or maybe The People's Court.
And don't forget the requests are "notarized". I guess we should all be scared now...
On a more on-topic note, I got two CDs in the mail yesterday from CDNow. They actually managed to ship out the CDs in a week, and not screw it up somehow. I was amazed. The two discs were Hooverphonic's "Blue Wonder Power Milk" (which kicks complete ass, and would probably annoy the hell out of most of this list) and the Iced Earth/Blind Guardian combo "Demons & Wizards" which is good, but not great so far (granted, I've only listened to it once, so I'll hold out on further commentary).
DT
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:57:49 EST From: DWADESTER@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324 Message-ID: <7f.f3a73e.25e1e78d@aol.com>
could anyone give me any direction on how to unsubscribe to this so called newsletter? would reall appreciate it greatly!
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