YTSEJAM Digest 5328
Today's Topics:
1) Ticket(s) needed for 2/27 Boston/Roxy show
by "Jeremy A. Smith" <jeremysm@cif.rochester.edu>
2) YTSEJAM digest 5327
by ytsejam-manager
3) whew!
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
4) How old-a-jammer are you...?
by "David Ware" <d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5327
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
6) Re: Unsubbers / How long...?
by "Damian Powell" <damian.powell@netscient.com>
7) Re: How long...?
by "Damian Powell" <damian.powell@netscient.com>
8) OK, I'll go along with it on that context
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
9) Re: OK, I'll go along with it on that context
by "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
10) ytse-seniors
by lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu
11) The Zappa Fam / College Radio / Longevity
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
12) Re: megadeth and mustaine
by Psyd524@aol.com
13) Unsubbing and lawyers
by Jim <jim@beracah.com>
14) 5 years in a lurker's time
by Keith Aspinall <killathespian@yahoo.com>
15) The Gathering's "Superheat"
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
16) Re: The Zappa Fam / College Radio / Longevity
by eckie@asu.edu
17) John Myung Yamaha Sig 6 String
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
18) Petruccius says, "It's all in the fingers."
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
19) Re: Art For Art's Sake ...
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324 (Pink Floyd stuff)
by INNSOUL@aol.com
21) between the extremes
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
22) Re: megadeth and mustaine
by "heather jackson" <rdyfrde@hotmail.com>
23) DT Easter CD
by "Eddy Huism@n" <Eddy@jem7bsb.com>
24) I'm not allergic to nickel. HA HA!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
25) How big a boy are ya? - Roy D. Mercer
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:30:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jeremy A. Smith" <jeremysm@cif.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, bostonjam@dreamt.org
Subject: Ticket(s) needed for 2/27 Boston/Roxy show
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.10.10002210927460.28741-100000@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>
Hey everyone,
I need to snag a ticket (possibly two) for the Boston DT show at the Roxy
this Sunday, February 27th. If you have them, please e-mail me back at
jeremysm@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu and let me know. Thanks!
Jeremy
--
Jeremy A. Smith "Feed my head with some real thoughts
jeremysm@roundtable.cif. and let me think instead of being taught
rochester.edu .. I'll say things you won't believe
Brought to you by the letter: oe Just stand back--just let me breathe!" --DT
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:37 +0100
From: ytsejam-manager
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5327
Message-ID: <8Xaa4v0C5l@sts.sigma.it>
SUBJECT: YTSEJAM digest 5327
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:42:02 +1100
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: whew!
Message-ID: <38B14EB8.7879FB46@alphalink.com.au>
Heh. Its always funny hearing americans complaining about the popularity =
of DMB.
Here in
Australia (which normally has pretty similar tastes to America), its hard=
just
finding DMB Cds.
The only people who seem to like the band are drummers, christians and pr=
og fans.
I think a reason that they remain popular is becuase people today ar=
e
afraid
to go against the pop culture. A few of my friends think I am insan=
e
because I don't like Dave Matthews Band.
Wow, Simon that was a lot of whining. Ive just read about a whole Jam's w=
orth of you
whining about DT.
Maybe if you stop analysing SFAM and giving it to professors to analyse a=
nd stuff
you could actually sit
back and realise that this is one of their most enjoyable and coolest alb=
ums ever. I
find when I give DT
records to people I get the following responses-
I + W : After laughing at the '80s hair metal bogons' on the cover, they =
give it a
listen and say that its not
too bad.
Awake: Some of the heavier songs go over well. Generally people complain =
about
James.
FII : Good response to LITS, Hells Kitchen etc. People complain about Jam=
es.
SFAM : People say "This is cool. The singer is kind of 80s, but, its stil=
l alright."
You are aware that virtually every 7 string band has mind-bogglingly
horrible tone, and - barring Fear Factory - rubbish composition, rig=
ht?
..Even Limp Bizkit, and he doesn't even use a low B!
~Simon
Your right. Personally I love the prog genre, but I don't go into all the=
se 'prog'
bands
which are basically just copies of other bands (like DT). I would rather =
here a band
slow
down on the chops and do something actually progressive.
i consider myself a fan of "progressive rock/metal" which means:
pro=B7gres=B7sive
Yer, SFAM are pretty sucky, but what can you expect from prog? Right fro=
m the word
go (back with King Crimson or something) prog's lyrics have been nonsense=
Normally
I don't
mind it, but some stuff like the Battle for Epping Forest (by Genesis) I =
struggle to
listen to- it
sounds like Ringo Starr on a bad day.
> This is bull. You can write a good story without the schlock that SFaM =
is
> rife with. It's not just an issue of being ambiguous or deep. It's an i=
ssue
> of there being a poorly written narrative here.
Ha! One day.... one day....
Whilst there is enough people down here for them to pull a good audience,
the fact is the band isnt exactly rolling in money. The main problem Ive =
heard
is that Mike Portnoy's drum kit is too big. Im sure someone could lend hi=
m
their's if we live in a normal planet, but because of all the legal mumbo=
jumbo
this probably couldn't happen.
>
> Will Dream Theater every come down under to play in the land of OZ =3D
> (australia)
> It would be the great to see the boy's from Dream Theater in Australia,=
=3D
> can someone tell the boy's to come to OZ.
> Thank you.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:13:11 -0000
From: "David Ware" <d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: How old-a-jammer are you...?
Message-ID: <000701bf7c7e$2b154140$1f010032@corbyedp4>
Guys,
Andrew asked:
>/me wants to find out how many people there are that are REALLY old
>jammers
Well I can't remember exactly when I subbed, but I'm guessing somewhere
around early 1995, probably makes me an old timer (in the big scheme of
things)....
Ho-hum,
Dave (a UK jammer - who just recieved his tickets for the Nottingham
Rock City gig).
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:13:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5327
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0002210902590.1832-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
> Date: 21 Feb 2000 13:37:09 -0000
> From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
>=20
> This is nealy laughable. I listen to a lot of dance music, I go to
> clubs quite frequently. The difference between chart dance (Alice DJ,
> Sash! etc.) and what they call "serious=A3" stuff is about 2 weeks. A DJ
> I know just threw out his entire collection of previously "amazing"
> tunes, becasue they were now "too cheasy". It's all identical, and
> that's not becasue I won't listen honestly, it's a fact. Dance music
> is an absolute joke to write - and don't tell me it isn't, becasue it
> is. You can create the next "club sensation" on ReBirth in twenty
> minutes.
But a lot of it isn't identical, no matter what you may say. Yes, most of
the big "club sensations" are pretty damn close, because half of them (at
least) just take an existing pop hit and lay a standard beat under it. And
yes, I know how easily a person can churn out standard dance music, I've
done it also. But there are many many tunes out there that mix it up. It
doesn't really even matter, because dance music is for dancing, not
listening, but I get annoyed with these gross generalizations. Lost of
people on this list get pissed at the stereotype of metal as "screaming,
guitar solos, and dungeons and dragons lyrics," but then they're perfectly
willing to toss around the same stupid, easy stereotypes about any other
kind of music. It's silly.
> > >Think of any rock band that
really gets you going > >...Led Zep, Megadeth, Rush, Slayer, Anthrax,=20
> >whoever it might be. It would not work with
> >"correct" singing.
>=20
> Fucking hell, you're kiddin, right? If Robert Plant had submitted to
> some singing lessons, Zep would have been a lot better, and that takes
> some doing. Same for every other band you mentioned. Same for any
> band, period. It's the vocals that put me off so many bands, it's the
> vocals that make me refuse to buy WD&DU...And OK, it's both the vocals
> and the lyrics that make Fear Factory OK when they could be great.
> Obviously, my opinions; but I doubt I'm alone on this one.
I hope *you're* kidding here. Plant's idiosyncratic delivery would have
been lost if he had sung "correctly." He would have sounded just like
everyone else who sings "correctly." It would have completely killed that
wild feel that his lyrics lent to the music, which fit perfectly with
Page's "sloppy" riffs that felt like they could break into anarchy at any
time. That's what gave their music the great edge it has, as far as I'm
concerned. I don't think you'll find many Zep fans who wish that Plant had
sung "correctly." Maybe this is just a basic difference of opinion
here. I'm totally into the "feel" of something. I don't care about
technique as long as something sounds good. You on the other hand seem to
be the type of person who wants to hear everything smoothly done. We may
just have to agree to disagree here, even though you're wrong. ;)
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:13:35 -0000
From: "Damian Powell" <damian.powell@netscient.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Unsubbers / How long...?
Message-ID: <000701bf7c7e$3a145dc0$791ba8c0@nicholas>
Evenin' All,
I recently re-subscribed thinking that the notification was actually from
the UACM mailing list (that'll teach me to skip read my emails when I come
back from holiday in the future)!
I realise that there is a great deal of annoyance on behalf of those people
who can't unsubscribe and on the part of those who *have* kindly sent
instructions on how to do so. However, neither the instructions sent with
the original sign-on message nor the instructions that were kindly sent to
the list subsequently seem to work. I suspect that this has something to do
with the list craching in the first place.
If anyone *really does* know how to unsubscribe from this list, then please
post the appropriate instructions for those of us who don't have enough time
to read thirty emails a day! :) Hopefully, that way there will be less
traffic on this list of a let-me-out-of-here nature and more discussion
about the things that matter: DT, and all things progressive.
Many thanks,
Damian.
_____________
Damian Powell - Systems Developer, Netscient Ltd.
eMail: damian.powell@netscient.com
Internet: www.netscient.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:17:22 -0000
From: "Damian Powell" <damian.powell@netscient.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: How long...?
Message-ID: <000801bf7c7e$c1170ca0$791ba8c0@nicholas>
Oh yeah, I meant to say... I have been subscribed to this list on and off
for nearly five years! I keep getting fed-up with the amount of email
traffic but never the content! :)
TTFN...
_____________
Damian Powell - Systems Developer, Netscient Ltd.
eMail: damian.powell@netscient.com
Internet: www.netscient.com
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Date: 21 Feb 2000 15:18:16 -0000
From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: OK, I'll go along with it on that context
Message-ID: <20000221151816.1949.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: Tone.. fingers or gear..
>I do not play the violin but an ex-GF was a
>Viola player in a decent orchestra. Good
>tone for her came as a result of optimal bowing >technique, finger pressure on the neck etc.
>This is true of guitar playing too. Pick
OK, before I say a word, I'm going to apologise to any left-handed players for typing this as if everyone plays the same as me: left hand = the one on the neck, right = one on the bridge.
Right, set. I agree that right-hand techniques - i.e. one's picking - will have a drastic effect on the sound. And in that context, fair enough; I know I can change picking style and - particularly with low gain settings - it'll have more of an effect than, say, changing pickups.
HOWEVER, I'm still unconvinced about left-hand tecniques having such a drastic effect. Let's not talk about vibrato, 'cos obviously that has a huge effect on the tone. But, unlike the violin, viola, fretless bass or whatever, your fingers are NOT the stop-point on a guitar. That's the reason thatr fingers have such an effect on the above instruments; but with a guitar, ultimately the stop-point is the fret or the nut. Sure, push too hard and the note'll slip sharp. But I don't agree that the way one holds down the note will have a drastic effect.
>I won't even try to convince you of anything,
>I'll just say that TDoE is my favorite Track on
>SfaM and probably my favorite DT track so far.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think that TDoE is the worst thing they've done since WD&DU, or arguably UAGM.
>> Man 1: "God, I can't believe he's singing with >>vibrato."
>> Man 2: "Why?"
>> Man 1: "Well, for crissake, people have been
>>singing with vibrato since
>> the time Bach was alive. You'd think they'd
>>have gotten sick of it by now."
>
>But once again, why is it "supposed" to be in
>the voice. For Bach, it's supposed to be. For
>Slayer, it would sound ridiculous. When you get
Would it heck! No offence to Tom Araya (is it he? Not sure) but if Slayer had a singer - as opposed to a vocalist, which is a common criticism of 99.9% of metal bands - then maybe I'd be able to listen to the records without cringing.
~Simon
Sign-up for free Buffy the Vampire Slayer e-mail at
http://www.buffymail.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:55:14 +0100
From: "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: OK, I'll go along with it on that context
Message-ID: <A1205194D0DAD2119B05006097B4030872E835@fileserver2>
> >I won't even try to convince you of anything,
> >I'll just say that TDoE is my favorite Track on
> >SfaM and probably my favorite DT track so far.
>
> We'll have to agree to disagree. I think that TDoE is the worst thing
they've done since WD&DU, or arguably UAGM.
Well, since there are obviously people who LIKE what DT accomplished with
TDoE, it can't be objectively bad - just not the right kind of song for you.
And btw, I like UAGM a lot, too. And I think most of Awake is rather boring.
- Mike
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:32:25 -0500 (EST)
From: lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ytse-seniors
Message-ID: <200002211632.LAA4735636@gl.umbc.edu>
Looking for old jammers, eh? Well i've been on since Fall '93. Been
in lurk mode the last few years but i'm still here.
Jason Hartman (aka Senor Valasco, aka The Killing Hand) :)
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:59:13 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The Zappa Fam / College Radio / Longevity
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000221112003.00a4e100@cs.millersville.edu>
Mike "Fett2002" C. wrote:
>Yeah, I saw that. Moon Unit was just plain annoying. I hate the fact that=
her
>and her 2 no-talent brothers keep getting jobs and making appearances and
>such just becasuse of who their dad was.
The reason the Zappas are on TV so much is because they're wacky. Dweezil=
=20
and Ahmed usually have me rolling when they do talkshows. Take the Conan=20
O'Brien show where they covered Black Sabbath's "The Wizard" with John Tesh=
=20
on gui-board for example. Classic television there. I'd personally rather=
=20
watch them goof around than most other crud on the tube.
BTW, I just heard Dweezil's "Confessions" album a couple of weeks ago, and=
=20
it's pretty good. I'd recommend it to any Extreme fans on the list (Nuno=20
is all over it).
Mr. Coutermarsh on the state of radio:
>It's kinda worse here - our college radio station only plays rap and
>college-band grunge metal.
Most college stations I've ever listened to have had at least a handful of=
=20
great programs. Take, I dunno, the radio station where I work for example=
=20
(bet you didn't see that coming...it's pluggin' time!), Millersville=20
University's WIXQ...
Tuesday 1-3am EST (that's tonight folks): Automaton Hit Parade, host: me,=20
format: progressive rock
Wednesday 10-1pm EST: Pull Me Under, host: Erik, format: progressive metal
Thursday 10-1pm EST: Life After Dead Air, host: Mike Storm, format: metal
And that's just a small selection of the good/decent programs (for more=20
info on any of 'em, check out either of the two websites in my sig) on=20
WIXQ, all available worldwide thanks to the beauty of the 'net and=20
streaming RealAudio technology. Granted, we have our own fair share of=20
crap-shows too, but you gotta take the good with the bad when it comes to=20
college radio.
I suspect most college stations follow a similar trend. If you check out=20
the College Music Journal (cmj.com), results compiled from hundreds of=20
participating college radio stations, they do have Top xx charts. SFaM was=
=20
on the Loudrock Top 10 for a good long while, as was Iced Earth's "Alive In=
=20
Athens". A good sign if you ask me.
In summary, most college stations have at least some worthwhile=20
programming. It just might require a little rooting around to find it.
>Can it really be that after only a year and a half I'm becoming one of the
>"senior" members of the 'Jam? How many people we got here since the
>beginning? How many that are 3-4 years old? 2-3?
I've been here since '95. Guess that makes me "mildly oldschool" (or the=20
point at which I joined up "early highschool").
Don't forget...AHP tonight, progrock up the wazoo. You have been warned.
Brian
[NP...Nexus -- Detr=E1s del Umbral]
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Name: WB Henderson
E-mail: wbhender@cs.millersville.edu
WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com
Automaton Hit Parade (progrock radio):
http://www.millersville.edu/~wixq/Automaton
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:43:34 EST
From: Psyd524@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: megadeth and mustaine
Message-ID: <ba.1e4eda2.25e2d346@aol.com>
I can handle one of my favorite metal bands, such as Megadeth, straying
from metal a bit to try something new. But Risk is just horrible, by any
music standards. Whoever mixed that album, or whoever gave the instructions
for mixing the album I should say, completely blew it. All the guitars sound
very distant, like when I sketch something basic with my Tascam Porta03. The
guitar solos are almost inaudible, and for that matter, few and ar between.
It may be irrelavant or coincidental, but when Nick Menza left, Megadeth's
edge left too. Now Marty's gone too, and I think all the events that have
transpired within Megadeth over the last year or so are the result of Dave
Mustaine being an asshole(as if I even had to write that). I saw Megadeth at
Roseland for the Concrete benefit show in September(I think), and I thought
Type O Negative played much better than Megadeth. 'Deth was good, don't get
me wrong, but they lacked certain ballz with Jimmy DeGrasso back there.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:13:51 -0500
From: Jim <jim@beracah.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Unsubbing and lawyers
Message-ID: <38B1805E.711C8A23@beracah.com>
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Greetings all!
Time for my semi-annual de-lurking...
Is it just me, or do you think all of these people actually think that
someone reads all of these emails, compiles them into a digest, then
sends them out to everyone on the list, meanwhile manually adding and
deleting users as requested?!
Go back and read some of the un-sub messages, these people have no clue
that this is an automatic list! Who the heck threatens a computer? (or
thanks one for that matter!)
It's no wonder some of the requests come from WebTV owners, and AOL
users!(flame-proof suit on)
Jim aka Roadie
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:46:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Aspinall <killathespian@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: 5 years in a lurker's time
Message-ID: <20000221184624.14630.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com>
or consider this a response to various ongoing topics.
*re: girls falling for anything pop--i developed a theory that guys like
bands and girls like songs. or should i say "tend to"? and there's the
difference.
*re: jam seniority--i've been on the jam for all but 2 months of the last
5 years. and many, many jammers have poster more in a single day than i
have in that time.
*re: how to turn people on to dt--screw the official albums. i give
friends a collection of b-sides. i mean, honestly, who's not going to
like TLF, TWiUTB, STM, CME, and the like? but i did get my girlfriend
hooked with FII, and she absolutely loves ACoS.
*re: concert setlist-- how come no one has emphatically stated "what the
hell happened to awake?!"
that is all.
Keith
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:44:55 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: The Gathering's "Superheat"
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117B86@MESSAGING>
What do y'all know about The Gathering's "Superheat"? It seems to be a
greatest hits-type disc - is there anything special about it? It was just
released last month...
Thanks,
David
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:18:37 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: The Zappa Fam / College Radio / Longevity
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000221121621.16398A-100000@email1.asu.edu>
Oh my GOD, if anybody has video of the Zappa brothers and John Tesh playing
the Conan O Brian show, please email me! Was the performance as funny as my
imagination is making it?
~Eckie the masturbating bear
What, you thought I was setting up some kinda fake dialogue there, didn't you?
;)
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:27:25 EST
From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: John Myung Yamaha Sig 6 String
Message-ID: <86.eb9af7.25e2eb9d@aol.com>
Having tried one of these at the NMS, Yamaha stand, Wormbley (!), London, UK,
end of November 1999, I liked it. Nice to play, not too heavy, although it
packs a few pounds more than my usual (Hohner B2 active). My critcisms are
that I would lower the action a little from the shop model and use stainless
steel strings (because I like the brighter sound and because I am allergic to
nickel)
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:27:30 EST
From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Petruccius says, "It's all in the fingers."
Message-ID: <ea.2298ae1.25e2eba2@aol.com>
]From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
>>Petruccius says, "It's all in the fingers."
>
>Bollocks. Obviously the amp is the absolute decider, but at the business end
>of the cable, I'd say: it's about 50% in the fingers, 40% in the pickups, 5%
>in the strings and 5% in the construction of the guitar (wood, hardtail or
>whammy etc).
Well A N Other guitarist could get ALL the same gear as Johnny P Babes BUT
he/she/it STILL wouldn't have the same sound because it IS mostly in the
fingers ... the gear is only part of the whole picture.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:27:22 EST
From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Art For Art's Sake ...
Message-ID: <57.231f49e.25e2eb9a@aol.com>
Umm no I didn't write that, I wrote
'Money for God's sake ;-)'
.. And there endeth my part in the debate, thank you!
(If you want confirmation check Jam # 5323)
>>From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
>>
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 DTGirl2612@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > >On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, mikel pontificated:
>> > >I have yet to meet anybody who makes art for art's sake.
>
>
>Art for art's sake is crap.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:38:43 EST
From: INNSOUL@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5324 (Pink Floyd stuff)
Message-ID: <18.1128e40.25e2ee43@aol.com>
> It's like saying "Why don't Guy Pratt and Jon Carin play solos with Floyd"
- well, because they're just musicians hired in to backup the remains of
Floyd!
Actually, Guy Pratt did a pretty neat bass solo in "One Slip" on the
"Momentary Lapse of Reason" tour, and when it was sparaticly (I don't know
how to spell that word!!!?????!!) placed in the set in 1994.
> And by the way 94 PF Division Bell was by far the best concert I've ever
seen
Hell yeah! The first leg though. (this is where I get rocks thrown at
me) I thought the set list on the first leg of the tour had more variety to
it. The DSotM show was neat to be at...but............
Sean
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/music/MoneyForTheToll">Money For The Toll</A
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:01:19 PST
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: between the extremes
Message-ID: <20000221200119.10120.qmail@hotmail.com>
> > Can it really be that after only a year and a half I'm becoming > one of
>the "senior" members of the 'Jam? How many people we got > > here since
>the beginning? How many that are 3-4 years old? 2-3?
i missed the start of the list, but I've been here since early 1995....i
think the first jam i got had a mike bahr ad for subconscious in it
psm
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:20:24 PST
From: "heather jackson" <rdyfrde@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: megadeth and mustaine
Message-ID: <20000221202024.79194.qmail@hotmail.com>
That is what you get when you have a pop singer for a producer. Their
producer, Dann Huff, use to sing for the pop band Giant who had a few hits
in the late eighties. Since he has produced the last two albums for
Megadeth, their sound has been lacking. Hopefully they will come to their
senses and change producers for the next album. Interestingly enough Mr.
Huff is up for a Grammy for his Production work on Megadeth and other bands!
Heather Jackson
rdyfrde@hotmail.com
>From: Psyd524@aol.com
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: Re: megadeth and mustaine
>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:57:06 -0800 (PST)
>
> I can handle one of my favorite metal bands, such as Megadeth,
>straying
>from metal a bit to try something new. But Risk is just horrible, by any
>music standards. Whoever mixed that album, or whoever gave the
>instructions
>for mixing the album I should say, completely blew it. All the guitars
>sound
>very distant, like when I sketch something basic with my Tascam Porta03.
>The
>guitar solos are almost inaudible, and for that matter, few and ar between.
>It may be irrelavant or coincidental, but when Nick Menza left, Megadeth's
>edge left too. Now Marty's gone too, and I think all the events that have
>transpired within Megadeth over the last year or so are the result of Dave
>Mustaine being an asshole(as if I even had to write that). I saw Megadeth
>at
>Roseland for the Concrete benefit show in September(I think), and I thought
>Type O Negative played much better than Megadeth. 'Deth was good, don't
>get
>me wrong, but they lacked certain ballz with Jimmy DeGrasso back there.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:36:40 +0100
From: "Eddy Huism@n" <Eddy@jem7bsb.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT Easter CD
Message-ID: <LPBBLKEGIFJLJKNMBEHDOEGACBAA.Eddy@JEM7BSB.com>
Just to let all you non-CD-receivers know....I live in Holland which is
probably the place they are sending the CD's from now and I haven't received
anything yet also. So it's not an overseas alone issue
Eddy Huism@n
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:29:55 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: I'm not allergic to nickel. HA HA!
Message-ID: <002601bf7caa$8e1ccd40$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>packs a few pounds more than my usual (Hohner B2 active). My critcisms are
>that I would lower the action a little from the shop model and use
>steel strings (because I like the brighter sound and because I am allergic
>nickel)
I have to duplicate this. But I really love it despite its slight
(correctable) shortcomings. I've never tried out a standard 6-string, but
after playing a 5-string SDGR, I knew there would be no way I could handle
it. This puppy's neck is about the same width, if not thinner(?) and plays
most sweetly. I agree about the action being a bit too
high, but I already get enough rattle with the low-B, I really wouldn't want
to hear what it sounded like if I dropped it even more. Maybe I'll
experiment. As for strings, I really don't care so much. I'll probably
play these nickels until I wear them out and them go to steel strings. I
dunno. This is the first bass I've ever really played, though, that gave
such easy access to the 24th fret (let alone have that many!). No need to
hook, curl, and dislocate fingers for this one. :)
It seems to weigh about the same as my old Washburn, so I'm not complaining
about that one. :) "I bet my bass sounds better than yours Mr. Myung, cuz
mine's a red one!"
--
KorgX3 hasn't been able to post for about three days now. :(
NP: Metallica - One.mp3
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:47:27 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: How big a boy are ya? - Roy D. Mercer
Message-ID: <003301bf7cac$e0ab3900$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>>the beginning? How many that are 3-4 years old? 2-3?
Damn, I've spent too long here, I think. :) Let's see... in the beginning,
I first subscribed back in Dec. 1994 from college. People might remember me
as being some schmuck named <reischar@ucs.isu.edu> and signing off as Mr.
Chuckalupugus. hehehehe. I unsubbed at the end of college (and my
internet access) in May, 1995. Then I came back in Sep. 1996 and have been
here ever since. :)
I wonder how many people are still around who signed the ACoS petition? I
was able to sign it just before I left in '95. I remember nearly wetting
myself when I picked up that CD and saw the Ysejam credited in the liner. :)
That rokd nadz. I even remember back in the olden days when people praised
Mike Bahr's name... Small wonder, eh? :) hehehehe.
--
KorgX3 calls the Ytsejam his second home.
NP: Dream Theater - Take the Time.mp3
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