YTSEJAM Digest 5329
Today's Topics:
1) Re: megadeth and mustaine
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
2) Re: megadeth and mustaine
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
3) Re: Re:About guitars and stuff
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
4) Re: Unsubbers / How long...?
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
5) Re: DT Easter CD
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
6) Re: OK, I'll go along with it on that context
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
7) Re: Prog lyrics
by Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
8) singing
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Speak to me
by Sebastian.Mygo@t-online.de (Sebastian Mygo)
10) Re: more singing
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) singing, singing, everywhere singing
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Re: How big a boy are ya? - Roy D. Mercer
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) Zappa boys/length in a jam
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
14) crap
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
15) How old school *are* you?
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
16) Vibrating Meatloaf on Direct TV.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
17) Re: singing, singing, everywhere singing
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
18) Re: How big a boy are ya? - Roy D. Mercer
by "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
19) Re: Brian talks out of his a*se; not once but twice! (All, of course, IMHO)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
20) Re: How old school *are* you?
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
21) Re: How old-a-jammer are you...?
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:47:14 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: megadeth and mustaine
Message-ID: <200002212349.SAA09107@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> That is what you get when you have a pop singer for a producer. Their
> producer, Dann Huff, use to sing for the pop band Giant who had a few
> hits in the late eighties. Since he has produced the last two albums
> for Megadeth, their sound has been lacking. Hopefully they will come
> to their senses and change producers for the next album. Interestingly
> enough Mr. Huff is up for a Grammy for his Production work on Megadeth
> and other bands!
Dann Huff was NO pop singer.
He was the guitarist and singer for Giant, who were a fine rock/hard
rock band, if you'd bothered to get some facts, or listened to their
music you'd know this.
Tell me what hit's they had ?
Before this he was a famous session guitarist, played on countless
studio sesssions for other artists.
So don't try and blame him for Megadeth's attempt to sell out and
be the next Alternica, er Metallica, he dosen't write the songs, the
band does.
gaz
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:47:14 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: megadeth and mustaine
Message-ID: <200002212350.SAA09114@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> I can handle one of my favorite metal bands, such as Megadeth,
> straying
> from metal a bit to try something new. But Risk is just horrible, by
> any music standards. Whoever mixed that album, or whoever gave the
> instructions for mixing the album I should say, completely blew it.
> All the guitars sound very distant, like when I sketch something basic
> with my Tascam Porta03. The guitar solos are almost inaudible, and
> for that matter, few and ar between. It may be irrelavant or
> coincidental, but when Nick Menza left, Megadeth's edge left too. Now
> Marty's gone too, and I think all the events that have transpired
> within Megadeth over the last year or so are the result of Dave
> Mustaine being an asshole(as if I even had to write that). I saw
> Megadeth at Roseland for the Concrete benefit show in September(I
> think), and I thought Type O Negative played much better than
> Megadeth. 'Deth was good, don't get me wrong, but they lacked certain
> ballz with Jimmy DeGrasso back there.
Wouldn't the band, ie, Mustaine have the final say in how an album
sounds ?
gaz
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:47:14 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Re:About guitars and stuff
Message-ID: <200002212350.SAA09131@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> This CD was a pleasant surprise for me. I wasn't expecting much after
> 'Destiny' and 'Hunting High and Low' single but Infinite just rocks. I
> agree with you about Jens. He's a wizard. Only complaint I can find is
> that the album is so short an= d J=F6rg's drumming annoys me a bit for
> some reason.
Yep Infinite is the best Strato have done for a while, Jens seems to
have more freedom in the band and Tolkki even used one of Jens
songs on the album :)
> Heh.. They just started to show Kiss of Judas video from Stratovarius
> in = TV :)
Funny that video is also on my Visions CD :)
gaz
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:13:01 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Unsubbers / How long...?
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000221211301.017381b0@pi-r-squared.com>
At 07:23 AM 2/21/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Evenin' All,
>
>I recently re-subscribed thinking that the notification was actually from
>the UACM mailing list (that'll teach me to skip read my emails when I come
>back from holiday in the future)!
>
>I realise that there is a great deal of annoyance on behalf of those people
>who can't unsubscribe and on the part of those who *have* kindly sent
>instructions on how to do so. However, neither the instructions sent with
>the original sign-on message nor the instructions that were kindly sent to
>the list subsequently seem to work. I suspect that this has something to do
>with the list craching in the first place.
Make sure that you are sending your unsubscribe requests to the proper
address! The request should NOT go to the jam, as I've seen a few people do.
The address is something like requests@torchsong.com
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"It was then that the natives approached me, and offered to kill him. I
still needed a him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I always
regretted losing the opportunity."
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:51:22 +1100
From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT Easter CD
Message-ID: <200002212354.SAA09277@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> Just to let all you non-CD-receivers know....I live in Holland which
> is probably the place they are sending the CD's from now and I haven't
> received anything yet also. So it's not an overseas alone issue
Most of the Dutch fans I know recieved their CD over a month ago,
did you recently join up ?
I recieved mine in Australia several weeks ago..............
gaz
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:16:12 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: OK, I'll go along with it on that context
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000221211612.00e932d4@pi-r-squared.com>
>Would it heck! No offence to Tom Araya (is it he? Not sure) but if Slayer
had a singer - as opposed to a vocalist, which is a common criticism of
99.9% of metal bands - then maybe I'd be able to listen to the records
without cringing.
>
>~Simon
What about Fish-era Marillion? Sure some people might be annoyed by him, but
I know a great number of people who got into the band simply because of his
voice. Or Peter Gabriel, or surprisingly enough, Kevin Moore. Neither sings
correctly at all, but they both have really emotive voices. If they sang
correctly it just wouldn't have the same effect. I like listening to trained
singers, but I like hearing people do somethin a little different also.
Imagine Shine on You Crazy DIamond with Roger Waters singing correctly....
*shudder*
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"It was then that the natives approached me, and offered to kill him. I
still needed a him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I always
regretted losing the opportunity."
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:20:03 +0100 (CET)
From: Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Prog lyrics
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10002212158420.900-100000@holly.sbbs.se>
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, mikel wrote:
> Yer, SFAM are pretty sucky, but what can you expect from prog?
Okay, I agree that the lyrics of SFAM aren't overly poetic, but you're
generalizing in you're comment about what to expect from prog.
Sure there are plenty of good prog lyrics. To mention two examples: the
lyrics to Clutching at Straws and APSOG are some of the best I've ever
read.
As for Dream Theater's lyrics, they are very good most of the time, so I
expect quite alot actually.
> Right from the word go (back with King Crimson or something) prog's lyrics
> have been nonsense.
While it's true that some prog lyrics contain alot of nonsense,
it's definitely not true for all of them.
> Normally I don't mind it, but some stuff like the Battle for Epping
> Forest (by Genesis) I struggle to listen to- it sounds like Ringo Starr
> on a bad day.
Come on, where's you're sense of humour? In the case of Genesis, nonsense
fitted their style. I love The Battle of Epping Forrest because it is a
funny song, especially that part about the reverend. Of course that
doesn't mean you have to find it funny, but don't take it too seriously.
Erik
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:14:51 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: singing
Message-ID: <001701bf7cb0$b2464060$0200010a@steve>
> No question, it's the latter. Listen to Mullmuzler and some of the backing
vocals on SFaM (Strange >Deja Vu, the bit that goes "There's a light at the
top of the stair..."), he can still do it. I think JP and >MP didn't want
him doingb the high stuff, frankly. On any other album, the afore-mentioned
backing >vocal on that section of Deja Vu would have been the
Agreed. Although, I would place more of the blame on Kevin Shirley than on
MP and JP (although it's entirely possible that they feel the same way). He
said in a interview once that at first he and Shirley "didn't hit it off."
I think one listen to FII would tell anyone that Shirley hated James's
singing. bringing a lower, duller part forward in the mix while the higher,
more interesting, and most obviously intended lead melody was mixed into the
background. It's just all over that CD.
Of course, with the was he's toned down his technique on SFaM, it could be
mostly JP and MP's doing.
> Actually, I think she stopped using it because the silly cow refused to
allow a voice coach to warn her about the dangers of misusing it, and ended
up tearing out her throat on tour. When was the last time you heard her
hitting any of those high notes (or indeed, *any* one single strong target
note) live?
Well, having never heard her live, I don't know. However, she still does
all the insane high stuff on the albums, just in the background. So,
obviously she can still do it.
> It's ALL pop stuff. Mariah Carey - in keeping with most people who make
what these days passes >as "soul" music, doesn't know the meaning of the
world. It's glossy sub-hip hop-styled trash with >cheesy melodies.
Well, of course it's all pop stuff. But in popular music, stuff is not so
much defined by what it IS as what radio program directors THINK it is.
> >(The dirtly little secret is James is a baritone,
> >too. Shhhh.)
>
> You're kidding? No way! This can't be true, right?
Yup, it's true. If he were a tenor, he wouldn't ave to spread so much to
hit those high notes (no thtat there's anything wrong with that in pop
music).
> > and chop the extraenious shit like the last five minutes of BTL, the
first
> > minute and a half of THE, and the whole of TDOE, some of those
excruciating
> > samples in FF that make me have to turn the volume down halfway through)
was
> > flawed.
Ok, I hate all the instrumental wanking in BTL, but there's ony 30 seconds
of TDoE that I'd hack, and as for FF...well, that's just fine the way it is.
> I couldn't disagree more. The reason some people don't like the lyrics on
> SFAM is because they aren't ambiguous enough. Remember......ambiguity
breeds
> depth. But the lyrics on SFAM are intentionally clear so as to tell the
> story. This is just what you'd expect from a concept album. It's also a
> limitation for a concept album. It's a trade off but not necessarily a
> deficit. Which do you want? A concept album or ambiguous (read deep)
lyrics?
> You can't have both.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't even know what to say to
people who don't like these lyrics. It's a lot better than all that
gibberish that I&W was filled with. What the hell is a nervous flashlight?
> I like James' sound on the new album because he doesn't overdue the high
> notes and the vibrato. Someone else on this list complained because he's
> suppressing his vibrato but to me, the vibrato vocals of prog sound so
> cliched.
Pooh. If singing with vibrato is cliched, then so is alternate-picking. So
is that string-y synth sound. (oh, wait, that sound IS a cliche...)
Singing with vibrato is just called good technique. Get used to it.
> The reviewer in my University's
> magazine said that he'd "rather have boiling rats piss poured in [his]
ears
> than ever have to listen to this again", that it was "sub-Pink Floyd",
"full
> of stadium synths and guitars that are simultaeniously crunchy and
widdly".
> I know the guy who wrote the review, and he's not a closed-mind
prog-hater,
> he's got the widest musical tastes of anyone I've ever met, and a CD
> collection that takes up an entire room. He knows his shit, and to him -
and
Well, if he knows his shit, that's only because he has a whole room full of
it. Quantity is not quality, it usually just means your tastes aren't very
discriminating.
> "Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving
> kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I
> mean I'd love to be skinny like that but not with
> all those flies and death and stuff."
> - Mariah Carey
Oh, that's sad! Personally I like the new, slightly plumper Mariah. Her
butt looks great.
I lke her singing, but I never said she was smart!
> > Really? How do you get it INTO your voice, I can't do it at all?
Well I know I've said that it comes from singing properly, but you have to
practice it to get it. Try just doing a trill from an upper-neighbor down
to the fundamental. Start VERY slowly, and with an even portamento between
notes. Speed it up. As you get better, try a half-step instead of a whole
step. Keep making the interval smaller and the tempo faster till you get
the vibrato you want. about 5-7 oscillations per second is great.
What you're actually doing in that excercise is teaching the larynx to be
relaxed while you phonate. You won't be able to trill if you're not
relaxed. Keep at it, and after a short while, you will have to work to keep
the vibrato from sneaking in!
> I know it sounds odd, but: Do exactly what James does in-concert - Sing
> with your tongue sticking further out than you'd think it should be. In
No, no no!!!! If James did that in my studio, I'd punch him on the chin!
(Then, he would certainly kick my ass!) Sticking your tongue out only
minimizes the necessary resonant space in your mouth, and you won't be able
to sing very well without that big resonating cavity (your mouth). Stick
your tongue out to get the sensation of that open throat. Try to percieve
that same sensation while you sing, but don't sing with you're tongue
anywhere outside your mouth.
> perfect terms, you should be able to sing your best when your tongue is at
> "Home" position, which is just behind your bottom teeth, but not pressing
> against them.
This is correct.
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:39:02 +0100
From: Sebastian.Mygo@t-online.de (Sebastian Mygo)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Speak to me
Message-ID: <12N0Xm-1vwLbMC@fwd04.sul.t-online.de>
Hello guys,
I wonder if anybody knows a http site which contains a mp3 of the original demo
of "Speak to me" (not the live version that was on the 5 years video). Please
tell me in the jam or private. This song is GOD, but as I am a poor german
student it is hard for me to get Japan imports, so there will be no different
opportunity for me to get my fave DT track (it really is, besides ACos,Fortune
in lies and Home --- I LOVE SfaM---). If you could post me a mp3 (which would be
quite enervating and expensive), this would be great as well, but please tell me
BEFORE. Thanx. See ya
Mosquito
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:35:48 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: more singing
Message-ID: <002001bf7cb3$a056da60$0200010a@steve>
> This is bull. You can write a good story without the schlock that SFaM is
> rife with. It's not just an issue of being ambiguous or deep. It's an
issue
> of there being a poorly written narrative here.
Ok, there are parts of it you deem "schlock." Great.
It's not just an issue of being ambiguous or deep. It's not an issue of
there being a poorly written narrative here. It's an issue of "my opinion
beats your opinion."
> Anyway, the lyrics are *definitely* not clear, intentionally or otherwise.
> This is obvious from the amount of discussion here when the album came out
> about what the storyline really was...nobody really knows what's going on,
> and the band isn't saying. They want to leave it "open for
interpretation."
Bull. We know what's going on. (at least, I do.) Everything up until the
ending is pretty clear. The band didn't tell us the end, and THAT is what's
"open for interpretation."
> Blah, blah, blah, blah. Sheesh. Correctly my ass. Correctly for the kind
of
> music you're doing, sure. But lemme tell you, if you sang that way to most
> rock songs, 99% of the people who heard it would laugh. It just doesn't
fit.
Bull. That is purely speculative, and only based on the fact that you and
some like-minded people you know don't like it.
> To say that's the ONLY correct way to sing for ANY kind of music is
arrogant
> and assinine. Think of any rock band that really gets you going...Led Zep,
> Megadeth, Rush, Slayer, Anthrax, whoever it might be. It would not work
with
> "correct" singing.
I went to McDonald's drive-through today. I pulled right into the exit and
ordered my food through my passenger side window. They gave me my food and
I paid. Then I drove away through the entrance. It worked, but that
doesn't mean I was doing it correctly. Vibrato IS correct. Lots of things
work, whether you go about them the right way or the wrong way.
> And because someone thinks that vibrato in prog is cliched, you assume
that
> they haven't listened to anything other than straight rock? Once again,
> arrogant and assinine. I happen to agree with him. I don't mind the
vibrato
> most of the time, but when it's really accentuated it's right up there
with
> Yngwie's scalar runs, awful Peart-style lyrics about philosophy, and songs
> about dragons. It makes me laugh.
Ok, fine. You don't like it. It makes ME laugh when people who think
someone being good at something is somehow a joke. It's pretty pitiful when
people feel that way, but I guess ignorance is bliss.
> when you want a lot of tension in the air. But I just don't understand
> why a person would call something that is SUPPOSED to be in the voice in
> order for it to be a healthy tone "cliched."
I feel the same way. I just don't understand it. I will NEVER hear a
musician play/sing something with good technique and wonder "why is he
trying so hard?" I hate this mentality that trying to be good at something
is a bad thing.
> Yeah, I saw that. Moon Unit was just plain annoying. I hate the fact that
her
> and her 2 no-talent brothers keep getting jobs and making appearances and
> such just becasuse of who their dad was. I wish these netwoeks would get
it
> through their head that no one gives a rat's ass about Moon Unit, Dweezil,
or
> the other one who's name escapes me! Am I the only one who is annoyed by
> these 3 losers?
Uh, yes. :)
Just kidding. I think Moon is pretty annoying. Ahmet needs to take his
ritalin. Dweezil, however, is one helluva guitarist.
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:47:34 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: singing, singing, everywhere singing
Message-ID: <002301bf7cb5$4465a4a0$0200010a@steve>
> This could be a real problem. I've had sinus problems for years, my nose
is completely f*cked up, >*always* blocked in one nostril or the other to a
greater or lesser extent. Doc says surgery could fix >it, but I hate
operations. Andrew, how badly is this going to affect singing? Is it
under-the-knife time >again?
Well, if it's just one nostril or the other, you're probably ok. If it's
ONE all the time, that could be a problem, but if it switches, it's nothing
to really worry about. Maybe the surgery could help, but maybe not, and
maybe it would actually HURT. If you really hate surgery, I'd just skip it.
>As far as I'm concerned there is no correct way to do anything in music,
despite what some people >say.
That explains a lot.
> >Think of any rock band that really gets you going
> >...Led Zep, Megadeth, Rush, Slayer, Anthrax,
> >whoever it might be. It would not work with
> >"correct" singing.
>
> Fucking hell, you're kiddin, right? If Robert Plant had submitted to some
singing lessons, Zep would have been a lot better, and that takes some
doing. Same for every other band you mentioned.
Yup. I can't say much for the other bands, cause I think Rush is great how
they are. Don't listen to any Slayer or Anthraxx(mostly because there's no
singing). Led Zep and Megadeth, however, would both be VASTLY improved by a
talented singer. My opinion.
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:56:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: How big a boy are ya? - Roy D. Mercer
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.10002211651250.21101-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> >>the beginning? How many that are 3-4 years old? 2-3?
>
> I wonder how many people are still around who signed the ACoS petition? I
> was able to sign it just before I left in '95. I remember nearly wetting
> myself when I picked up that CD and saw the Ysejam credited in the liner. :)
> That rokd nadz. I even remember back in the olden days when people praised
> Mike Bahr's name... Small wonder, eh? :) hehehehe.
I guess I would call myself a YtseVet as well. I don't remember exactly
when I signed on, but I am very sure it was shortly after I&W came out.
Lots of memories (some I'd rather forget :) - The beginning of the
YtseCons, Bafu-mania, Home for the Holidays, ACoS petition, Jen Albert's
KevMo tape tree, "Hi, Babs here!", d-man imposters, testicular cancer,
Mike Coghlan, etc etc ad infinitum.....
I'm surprised that those of us that have been here for so long haven't
gone insane yet.....um...well, maybe that explains why we *HAVE* been here
so long......
-Al
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:08:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Zappa boys/length in a jam
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.10.10002211703120.4641-100000@gs.bass.org>
Whoever wondered if he was the only one who found the Zappa youth
annoying, I am in the opposite camp. Please check out their band Z [which
has a very amusing picture inside the second album with a stylized AZ/DZ,
a la the Aussie group]. Mike Keneally, Bryan Beller, Dweez, Ahmet: doesn't
get much better.
2.5 hours til DT. See all the peeps at the show.
paul
NP Sky Cries Mary: Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:11:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: crap
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.10.10002211709430.8515-100000@gs.bass.org>
Forgot to mention my tenure in the ytsecommunity. I joined in Dec. 96,
Korg was already a legend in his own mind. What a bunch of psychos, I
thought. I'm gonna love it here, I thought.
paul
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:14:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com (Ytse Love-In)
Subject: How old school *are* you?
Message-ID: <200002212214.RAA27860@optical.mindstorm.com>
You're a senior member of the Jam if:
* You laugh when you see [deleted --kbibb]
* You own any clothing with ytsejam@arastar.com on it
* You fondly remember Hairball, Babs, or Jeff Chew ("where are you
now...")
* You remember irc.dreamt.org before the op-wars necessitated bots
* The coolest "young person" you've ever "met" was Ben Laussade
* You remember Bafu's farewell post to arastar.com
* Syrinx and Ibanez playing "The Silent Man" still makes you bust out
laughing
* You know why the Ytsejam's welcome message forbids religious debate
* You know what a hootenanny is
* You attended a YtseCon where band members actually attended (and
that's before *my* time)
* You need to take off your shoes and socks to count all the Ytsejam
romances (failed and otherwise) that you can think of
I'm sure I missed a few. Senior members, please feel free to
contribute. :)
Just for the record, I subscribed in September 1995 (somewhere in the
600s for digest numbers, I think).
-d
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:16:05 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Vibrating Meatloaf on Direct TV.
Message-ID: <001401bf7cb9$464e6500$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>doesn't mean I was doing it correctly. Vibrato IS correct. Lots of things
I agree. Listen to any Broadway musical and count all of the singers that
don't use vibrato. Yeah. I didn't think so. :) Now, Meatloaf on the other
hand... I love his songs, but DAMN, that much vibrato is like eating a
Hershey's Dark Chocolate King Size candy bar along with with 5 pounds of
cookie dough made with Nestle supersweet chocolate chips. :P You can only
take a little bit before you break out in zits. :\
And he's about as funny as a dry heave, to boot. heheheh. BTW, Meatloaf
fans, I dunno if they're still showing it, but there is (was) a freebie
being shown to Direct TV viewers on channel 103 of Meatloaf's VH1
Storyteller's concert (uncut). Is it me or does the Direct TV program
manager have great taste in music? At Christmas is was Mannheim
Steamroller, and at New Year's it was Yes, now it's Meatloaf, and on March
3rd they're showing Sting. :) That makes it well worth the $30/month, no?
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:17:07 +1100 From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: singing, singing, everywhere singing Message-ID: <200002220119.UAA12358@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
]From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: singing, singing, everywhere singing
> Yup. I can't say much for the other bands, cause I think Rush is > great how they are. Don't listen to any Slayer or Anthraxx(mostly > because there's no singing). Led Zep and Megadeth, however, would > both be VASTLY improved by a talented singer. My opinion.
So what are your credentials to say that one of the all time great singers in rock music isn't talented ?
History has already proved you wrong
gaz
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:21:18 +1100 From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: How big a boy are ya? - Roy D. Mercer Message-ID: <200002220124.UAA12473@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> I guess I would call myself a YtseVet as well. I don't remember > exactly when I signed on, but I am very sure it was shortly after I&W > came out. Lots of memories (some I'd rather forget :) - The beginning > of the YtseCons, Bafu-mania, Home for the Holidays, ACoS petition, Jen > Albert's KevMo tape tree, "Hi, Babs here!", d-man imposters, > testicular cancer, Mike Coghlan, etc etc ad infinitum.....
Aern't you forgetting one important part of ytsejam history ? The Al vs Pat tape wars ?
Who can ever forget that peice of treasured ytse memories........
:) gaz
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:25:25 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Brian talks out of his a*se; not once but twice! (All, of course, IMHO) Message-ID: <200002212225.OAA14653@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Awake ." thus begged: > >>Think of any rock band that really gets you going >>...Led Zep, Megadeth, Rush, Slayer, Anthrax, >>whoever it might be. It would not work with >>"correct" singing. > >Fucking hell, you're kiddin, right? If Robert Plant had submitted to some singing lessons, Zep would have been a lot better, and that takes some doing. Same for every other band you mentioned. Same for any band, period. It's the vocals that put me off so many bands, it's the vocals that make me refuse to buy WD&DU...And OK, it's both the vocals and the lyrics that make Fear Factory OK when they could be great. Obviously, my opinions; but I doubt I'm alone on this one.
Take that knife out of your head, it's beginning to fuck up your other brain cell. Plant singing lessons? Hahah... yeah... how about we replace James with Phil Anselmo?? A band simply wouldn't be what they are if you "changed" the singer. Fear Factory needs to what? Have a singer like Geoff Tate? Where are you getting your crack from? It's mighty good stuff...
>~SJD >
Your opinion is about as worthy as the piss they wipe off the insane asylum walls...
Get a grip.
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:55:30 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: How old school *are* you? Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000221225530.0175f0c8@pi-r-squared.com>
At 02:21 PM 2/21/00 -0800, you wrote: > >You're a senior member of the Jam if: > >* You laugh when you see [deleted --kbibb] >* You own any clothing with ytsejam@arastar.com on it >* You fondly remember Hairball, Babs, or Jeff Chew ("where are you > now...") >* You remember irc.dreamt.org before the op-wars necessitated bots >* The coolest "young person" you've ever "met" was Ben Laussade >* You remember Bafu's farewell post to arastar.com >* Syrinx and Ibanez playing "The Silent Man" still makes you bust out > laughing >* You know why the Ytsejam's welcome message forbids religious debate >* You know what a hootenanny is >* You attended a YtseCon where band members actually attended (and > that's before *my* time) >* You need to take off your shoes and socks to count all the Ytsejam > romances (failed and otherwise) that you can think of >
I scored a big fat zero on all of these. I joined the jam a little more than a year ago, and at the time Mads and Bafu were like the number one posters. It's already changed a lot, since then.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "It was then that the natives approached me, and offered to kill him. I still needed a him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I always regretted losing the opportunity."
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:38:49 -0500 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: How old-a-jammer are you...? Message-ID: <35A7D40B978CD311AF05002048404D34011BF71D@wm2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> Andrew asked: >> >/me wants to find out how many people there >> >are that are REALLY old jammers
Well, d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk missed the boat. Then lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu FAILED. And to top it off, even ahtrap@hotmail.com FAILED. Then Korg had to get his daily post in !!
I say - No, No, No, No, No, No, ....... !!
Andrew wants to know about OLD Jammers like Warren From Oregon who is one small step away from collecting his Social Security checks. Ahhhhh, Oregon. Where Deer and the Trailer Parks roam. Where seldom is heard, James Labrie singing a word - because as we know DT rarely go there - and the sky is full of UFOs all day. (Ever wonder the coincidence between # Trailer Parks and # UFO sightings ??)
On to more important things. When is the new frigin' CD single going to be out ??
And when will Basmer get of his arse and put a new Superior CD out ??
Later, Mark Metzger, cooldude aged 23.
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