YTSEJAM Digest 5335
Today's Topics:
1) (no subject)
by INNSOUL@aol.com
2) Re: Simpsons quotes
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
3) How old school *are* you?
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
4) NHBRadio
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
5) metal update
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
6) Re: how "old school" are you?/Zappas on Conan
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
7) Metropolis2000 t-shirt
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
8) Saviour Machine / Iced Earth
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
9) greet
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
10) Re: Pantera
by Fett2002@aol.com
11) Re:DT on tour
by Fett2002@aol.com
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5334
by Fett2002@aol.com
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5334
by INNSOUL@aol.com
14) Hey Adam...
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
15) Re: kickin' it old school, yo
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) DT at 9:30
by Chris <cdaley@gmu.edu>
17) Old jammers....
by "g-HosT" <g-host@geosities.com>
18) old jammers...
by "g-HosT" <g-host@geosities.com>
19) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5332
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
20) Re: DT at 9:30
by "Kez" <bkeyser@mgfairfax.rr.com>
21) Re: Hey Adam...
by "Kez" <bkeyser@mgfairfax.rr.com>
22) sorry long post
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
23) "Senior members"
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
24) Some of my old-school, east-coast skill....
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:16:11 EST
From: INNSOUL@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <76.1d0649c.25e480cb@aol.com>
Hey everybody!
My band, Money For The Toll is playing with Power Windows (the Ultimate Rush
tribute) on Friday. If anybody lives in northern NJ or wants info on the
live webcast, please E-mail me privately.
If you haven't heard of or heard MFTT, please click on the link below and
check out "Absence" or any other MP3's up there from Wag The Dog. (honestly,
please try to ignore the DCOT stuff - thanks :) )
Sean
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/music/MoneyForTheToll">Money For The Toll</A
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:23:09 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Simpsons quotes
Message-ID: <38B3286D.82F948E7@ucla.edu>
Have to comment here ;) I love the ep where the teachers go on strike
and Lisa needs to learn, so she builds a perpetual motion machine at
home and it keeps going faster and faster. Homer says: "Lisa! In this
house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!" Hehe, guess it shows what a
science nerd I am.
~~Amanda
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:28:28 +0100
From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: How old school *are* you?
Message-ID: <4.1.20000222162805.009494f0@mail.muc.de>
>You're a senior member of the Jam if:
[..]
7 out of 11 is not bad, is it?
Actually it makes me feel old, I didn't realize how long
it's been since this whole mess started. And yet I want
to thank the community for all the new music you introduced
me to and especially to all the nice folks I met in real live,
some of whom I consider friends.
(give me a squeegee, i gotta get rid of those tears)
take care,
jerry
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:29:22 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: "No Holds barred distribution list":;, Subject: NHBRadio Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000222192804.00a45ce0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Tonight, 8 p.m. liv shw. Lots of new bits. Point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944 or go to www.nhbradio.com. You can also find us on www.live365.com under the rock, talk or comedy genres. Also, don't forget we are running 24 hours a day so you can tune in anytime, anyday, even on Christmas. Again, point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944
-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Live show on Tuesdays from 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:45:03 -0600 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: metal update Message-ID: <000a01bf7d97$38a786a0$153288cf@jammer>
Someone asked about a good metal update deal that wasn't full of shit. Here's a good one to check out. You can unsubscribe rather easily if you don't like it. I've been on it for quite some time and it's always a good read.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:44:02 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: how "old school" are you?/Zappas on Conan Message-ID: <38B32D52.3A2B886D@wezl.org>
Old school...I still own the very first Ytsejam T-shirt with the glow-n-the-dark "Let light surround you" and remember when James confronted a jammer in a bar cause he was wearing a "Bootleg shirt" and that was a while after I'd been on the jam...once again...DAMN it's been a while (remember when the DT Doom levels were finally finished...woohoo!!!)
"Dale R. Newberry" wrote:
> Damn, I scored on nearly all of those on that list of old school > jammers. I didn't even realize I had been on that long until i read > that list (I didn't attend a ytsecon and I don't own any clothing with > arastar.com on it, but I was around when those happened. I do > own an ax.com shirt, though). Shit, i guess it's been about, maybe > 5 or 6 years now? I lost count after the servers started changing :). > Oh yeah, I remember, I joined the list right about the time that the > Subconscious bootleg was put out. > About the Zappa bros. on Conan, I've got audio of it, and I > remember seeing a clip on a show a few years ago or so (maybe > not that long) of it, and yes, it was as funny as you can imagine > (just seeing/hearing John Tesh playing "The Wizard" is a riot :). > > Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:50:45 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Metropolis2000 t-shirt Message-ID: <38B32EE5.28E7E2C8@home.com>
At the DT show here last Friday, I was mulling over which DT t-shirt to buy. I decided to go with one that has the closeup of the newspaper (the "murder, young girl killed...." one) on the entire front and simply "Dream Theater-Metropolis 2000", plus the Majesty symbol on the back.
Anyhow...... I wore it for the very first time today. I went out to lunch, and the second time the waitress (the first person I'd seen all day except my Mother) came to our table, she says "I'm sorry, but I just HAVE to ask..... What is the story with that shirt? Do you know somebody who was killed or something". I explained how DT was a band, and their latest CD was a fictional story about a murder, etc. etc. etc.
OK, this was a pointless post, but anyways I thought it was cool as hell, and I'm betting several more people will ask in the future. :)
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:00:06 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Saviour Machine / Iced Earth Message-ID: <38B33116.C776D6CB@home.com>
Matt T said: > - Saviour Machine (Christian goth metal.... some of the most intense music > I've EVER heard with an incredible vocalist. I would recommend their self > titled album, as well as "Saviour Machine 2". Outstanding.)
Hey Matt, how do those compare to Legend Part One? (the only disc I have).
> - Iced Earth (Thrash/Power Metal from Flordia. Sounds like vintage Metallica > a little bit to me. Great songs with a killer vocalist.)
HELL YEAH. Like a heavier Metallica w/a touch of Iron Maiden thrown in for good measure. And you're right about Barlow being truly killer. And hey, don't forget their SKULL-CRUSHING RIFFS. *smile* All in all, my favorite "heavy metal" band.
- Joe D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 02:09:27 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: greet Message-ID: <38B33347.249EC55A@mol.com.mk>
I would just like to use this opportunity to finally congratulate the birth of a second Macedonian jammer!!! And may I say he was a tough one to deliver. ;)
We're growin', we're growin'.
Friendly warning: DO NOT tempt us into Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, The Who, Jimi Hendrix etc. debates. :)
----------- CyberDuke's skating away on a thin ice of a new day
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:16:46 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pantera Message-ID: <f.160cbc6.25e48efe@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/22/00 7:26:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< > Has Phil hurt his vocal chords or something? He was never the greatest singer > in the world by any stretch of the imagination but he seems to have major > trouble even singing Cemetary gates any more! Maybe casue of all that > screaming he does?? > -Mike C. Im by no means a pantera expert, but im guessing his "extreme" lifestyle might have to do with it. Its never healthy for your vocal cords to drink like a fucking camel, smoke and do all kinds of shit(drugs) that these guys seem to do. If he doesnt take care of his own body, seeing how he's OD'ed and all, i doubt he gives a rats ass about his voice.. >>
You got a point there! lol -Mike
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:21:32 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:DT on tour Message-ID: <9c.1cfcf24.25e4901c@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/22/00 7:26:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Even Queensrcyhe (who plays every song note for note live) threw a half dozen songs in before O:M and a couple after during the Empire tour. Dream Theater is much too talented a band to be playing the same show every night - 90% of which is one album. >>
Isn't SFAM about 30 minutes longer than Mindcrime though? So it's harder for DT to do this. -Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:25:39 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5334 Message-ID: <cb.2494ce1.25e49113@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/22/00 7:26:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Uh... OK, Mike. If you say so. :) Mike C... Michael C... Michael Coghl... >>
Um........OK........whatever THAT means.... -Mike C :)
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:25:34 EST From: INNSOUL@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5334 Message-ID: <94.111e289.25e4910e@aol.com>
> Damn straight I've heard of Tyketto. :) The only album I have is Strength > in Numbers. Hell, and they never even had a radio hit, to my knowledge. "Forever Young" was pretty popular back in the day.
> Hardline Mr. Neil Schon of Journey! This album was too cool.
> So really the only suspense when they play the new album is whether James > will be able to sing it note for note that night - I saw him at Tradewinds and he did a helluva job!
Sean <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/music/MoneyForTheToll">Money For The Toll</A >
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:52:33 -0800 From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Hey Adam... Message-ID: <025f01bf7da0$a6861e30$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Adam, I think the point we (who have been lucky enough to see the shows so far) maybe haven't gotten across is how intense the show actually is. Sure, they play the whole CD. And sure, everybody knows they can do it note for note. But the energy that came from that stage was unbelievable - it's something far beyond that which is on the CD, and I'm not cracking at all on the CD.
I've seen them 3 times before this tour, and this was easily the best they've ever been. And dig the light show!!!
Paul - Who's been posting far too frequently lately....
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:17:09 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: kickin' it old school, yo Message-ID: <008101bf7da4$30d2c090$760d84d0@default>
> -- You remember RipZero, Cow Virtuoso, WildKoba, Rick Terry, Bafu Vai, > Jaime the Dragon, Babs, w00t, and the Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y.
Hey, no worries, Phil. w00t (Craig) will be back eventually. :) SHIT, that reminds me I still need to mail him this SFaM concert shirt!
You know you're a veteran jammer when: --You know who Tim Lodge was. Bonus points if you actually got screwed by him. --Mike Bahr told you the story about how he got stabbed. --You want to kill anyone named Twinkieboy. --You still remember the Meat Kadu and Tob. --You realize how realistic Bafu's Ytse & The Jam post was. --You've seen Mojoman get driven off of the list at least twice. --You've seen the "light bulb" joke float through here at least 5 times. -- KorgX3 thinks his breasts are bigger than Shania Twain's. =) NP: 20GB of MP3's. Ooooooh yeah!
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:37:52 -0500 From: Chris <cdaley@gmu.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT at 9:30 Message-ID: <38B34800.E549DF6B@gmu.edu>
I didn't see any jammers at the show in DC, but, since I don't know any, there was no surprise. I got there at 6:45 thinking that I'd get a good place in line since the doors were to open at 7:30. Unfortunately, the line was already wrapped around the block! I was thinkin' "who are these people?". Nobody knows about Dream Theater, I thought. Anyway, I've been to the 9:30 club a bunch of times and I knew the sound was going to rock. And it did. First up were the Star People....they immediately reminded me of this dot com commercial with Bill Shatner. They are an amusing group of people...mixing drinks on stage and whatnot... Musically, they're nothing special...the truly amazing thing is how all seven of them fit on the stage with their equipment, the Dixie equipment AND the DT equipment... Second, was the Dregs. I've never heard of them before...they were ok...I'm pretty much fine for anything with double bass drums... and the crowd seemed to like them...and the guitarist can truly play some stuff... Then, DT...I've never seem them before...I've never seen a drum kit that "swallowed" a drummer... All of them were larger than life...they played with energy...John P. played with a blue guitar most of the time... he played the camo 6-string for Home (I guess because it was already tuned to drop D or whatever) and played the camo b&w 7 string for TDoE... Anyway, the set list, as everyone can guess, was:
SFAM (front to back) Jordan had a keyboard thingy in the middle of that... Peruvian Skies Hugeass medley(Erotomania,Paradigm,PMU,UaGM,AFiL,OaMoT,TTT)
Highlights: James with his big hair wearing a baseball cap someone threw on stage SFAM front to back After Jordan's keyboard thingy, the televisions said that he was also available for parties and weddings... The crowd (the show sold out)
Lowlights: Being hungry because there was a hugeass line at the Food Food Peruvian Skies (the one song that they played that wasn't SFAM just HAD to be from THAT album (it still collects dust on my shelf)) I'm glad I waited a year to see them. I typically hate medleys... The synth horn solo...there's no fast forward button when you're at a show... Being three feet away from where drum sticks were thrown at the end...pack of hungry dogs these people were...
The highlights overwhelm the lowlights exponentially...so go see the show...and eat beforehand...
Where'd yall go to meet the band afterwards? I didn't know where to go...
Chris.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:08:28 -0600 From: "g-HosT" <g-host@geosities.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Old jammers.... Message-ID: <001d01bf7dac$5ed68ff0$25b5d3d0@phantom>
well, I can safely say that i've been around since '95. although i dont speak much on the jam, many of you have seen me on irc... i used to live there :) <didnt we all?> well, i dont have any of my old jams or logs to pull quotes out of due to having to reformat *way* too many times :) I dont know where i would be if i had never been shown the light by Dan, Dan the Cow man. Do you guys remember the TWA explosion in '96 at about 2:00 AM eastern time? :) ... shows how much of a life i *dont* have :) oh btw... how many jammers out there live in the New Orleans area? I'm looking for someone to go see the DT show at H.O.B. on ash wed with. boo...
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:16:25 -0600 From: "g-HosT" <g-host@geosities.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: old jammers... Message-ID: <001e01bf7dac$605f52d0$25b5d3d0@phantom>
well, I can safely say that i've been around since '95. although i dont speak much on the jam, many of you have seen me on irc... i used to live there :) <didnt we all?> well, i dont have any of my old jams or logs to pull quotes out of due to having to reformat *way* too many times :) I dont know where i would be if i had never been shown the light by Dan, Dan the Cow man. Do you guys remember the TWA explosion in '96 at about 2:00 AM eastern time? :) ... shows how much of a life i *dont* have :) oh btw... how many jammers out there live in the New Orleans area? I'm looking for someone to go see the DT show at H.O.B. on ash wed with. boo...
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:25:39 +1100 From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5332 Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9B366CFA@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2000 5:24 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5332
>The lyrics on SFaM are just crap. They're unwieldy, dull...But I'm repeating myself, here.
I dont know how you can say that! I dont think they are dull at all, just because they are a little simple doesn't mean they arent good! I think the story is of a high enough standard for the music. Not that the lyrics should matter too much, which is just imo because i love prog metal. SFaM takes me away and mesmorises me every single time i listen to it. Personally i think that they are a real clever bunch. I tend not to agree with the opinion going around that just because you dont like some of their material, it means you aren't a true fan. Ive been a hardcore fan of DT for around 6 years now and there are a few tracks on Awake and FII that kinda get on my nerves after awhile, but apart from that... I loved I&W and ACoS. My favorite stands between SFaM and I&W.
But to the original argument... I think the lyrics have been well thought about. And i suppose they arent really trying to attract a different crowd of fans, but trying maybe not to make it so encrypted that you cant figure out what the hell it means example 'Nervous Flashlights?' If you get what im saying.
-Marie
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:37:29 -0500 From: "Kez" <bkeyser@mgfairfax.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT at 9:30 Message-ID: <012101bf7daf$4fdb8ac0$3bc21c18@kez.mgfairfax.rr.com>
No time to write my own review, so I'll comment on this one:
> > I didn't see any jammers at the show in DC, but, since I don't know any, there >was no surprise.
There were at least a dozen, probably more, but I only caught up with a few......oh, and BAFU
>I got there at 6:45 thinking that I'd get a good >place in line since the doors were to open at 7:30. Unfortunately, the line was >already wrapped around the block! I was thinkin' "who are these >people?". Nobody knows about Dream Theater, I thought.
Yes, they do.....or at least about 1200 do.......oh, and there were quite a few people in that line to see the Dregs only......did you notice a SLIGHT improvement in elbow room when they finished? A shame really, for those people missed a phenomenal performance by OFB.
>Anyway, I've been to the 9:30 club a bunch of times and I knew the sound was >going to rock. >And it did.
AMEN, BROTHER!! The first DT show that I have attended since '92 at the Bayou that did not REQUIRE full blockage ear plugs. The FII shows were a complete joke, soundwise, compared to this.
> Second, was the Dregs. I've never heard of them before...they were ok...I'm >pretty much fine for anything with double bass drums... and the crowd >seemed to like them...and the guitarist can truly play some stuff...
The preceeding was a SLIGHT understatement. :)
>Lowlights: Being hungry because there was a hugeass line at the Food Food
I seem to make this mistake every time........plan on eating somewhere near the club......get to club.....see line at door.......forget about food, say "we'll get something inside"......yeah, right
>I typically hate medleys...
Me too......
>Being three feet away from where drum sticks were thrown at the end...pack of >hungry dogs these people were...
Which made me all the more happy about my choice to go to the balcony....right on the rail, almost center stage. Perfect placement.
>The highlights overwhelm the lowlights exponentially...so go see the show...and eat beforehand...
DITTO, DITTO, and DITTO.
> >Where'd yall go to meet the band afterwards? I didn't know where to go...
Dude, you must have run off too soon, because all 5 of them eventually came right out front and met with fans(as they almost always do), and Steve Morse, Rod M. and Mr. Goodman of the Dregs also stopped to chat for a few. Not bad at all considering it was a chilly night, and most(if not all) family members of OFB were in attendance, or at least in town.
One final comment, and I'd love to get some feedback on this one: has anyone else found James' stage presence on this tour to be leaps and bounds above any previous level? It is evident that the band chemistry is at a very high level here, and James pretty much agreed after the show, when I said something to him about how the new material seemed extrememly well suited for him, his comment was "Yeah, and I'm having A LOT of fun with it." IMHO, it shows.
Great work guys, thanks MP(for EVERYTHING), and come again in the Summer please.
Back to sleep, or work, or diaper changing, or whatever it is I do. Kez
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:49:03 -0500 From: "Kez" <bkeyser@mgfairfax.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Hey Adam... Message-ID: <013601bf7db0$edc3a000$3bc21c18@kez.mgfairfax.rr.com>
> >Adam, I think the point we (who have been lucky enough to see the shows so >far) maybe haven't gotten across is how intense the show actually is.
Very, very intense for me. I am voiceless due to knowing all the words, and therefore singing along all night.
> >I've seen them 3 times before this tour, and this was easily the best >they've ever been. And dig the light show!!!
I meant to mention this, as well. The new vari-lights(or whoever makes these models) really made it SEEM like an arena show, even though the video screens were only regular TV's.......hehe A GREAT job on the light show. > >Paul - Who's been posting far too frequently lately.... >
Kez, who hasn't posted in a very long time, and will probably refrain again for awhile.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:50:12 -0500 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: sorry long post Message-ID: <000e01bf7db1$1884c120$0200010a@steve>
> On this topic of James vocals: Maybe I am just > pointing out the obvious here, but we have been > listening to YEARS of James getting his vocal style > bashed for being too high and/or too much tremolo. Now > he has toned it down a little, we start getting > complaints from the other side.
I think that's only natural, isn't it? While he was singing in his old style, those of us who liked it were completely happy with it. Others didn't, and complained. Now that he has "toned it down," those who liked it better before are going to complain, while those who like the change are happy.
> It was almost agreed > upon that it was James "old-school" vocals that turned > off many potential fans.
No argument there. However much I like James I&W/Awake-style singing, I certainly acknowledge that it turns people off. I don't UNDERSTAND it, but I acknowledge it.
> Maybe gaining new fans is reason enough for James to > tone down.
That's possible. And if it gets DT more success, so be it. They deserve it!!!
> Maybe it will help him save his voice over > time.
Highly doubtful. Ditching his technique will only serve to hurt his voice in the long run.
But, if you mean save his voice by having to do less screaming in concert to hit the high notes he sang in the studio, you're right.
> Maybe he just can't sing that high all the time > anymore (sorry kids, the voice goes, there's no > denying age).
That is true. And while James is only in his 30's, and a male voice is really just coming into it's prime then, the constant touring and night after night of singing really add years to the voice. I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
"It's not the years; it's the MILEAGE!"
> Personally, I never had a problem with any of James > vocals. But in comparison, I must admit that I like > his lower tones better. Anyone who has seen the tour > knows that he sings a couple of parts HIGHER live than > on the SFaM recording. I cringed when he did it. It > just didn't sound good to me.
Sounds great when he changes the melody just a little bit. It's cool and different. He's been doing some cool little embellishments.
> And Ben Laussade....where is that guy?
I had a job one summer where I had to work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week in an office, editing contracts for a HUGE proposal. I was low man on the totem pole, so sometimes I had absolutely nothing to do, but had to stick around in case they found something menial and unimportant for someone like me. Chatting with that kid on #ytsejam was the only thing that kept me sane. What a nut.
Kevin Madden said:
> Last night I saw DT at the 9:30 club in D.C. and it was unremarkable.
Were you there? I didn't see you. I was keeping an eye out, but never saw you there. How are you?
Thanks for the concert review. I always look forward to Madden's concert review the next day. I was wondering what he'd do after such a peaceful uneventful concert. :) I saved a review he did of the DT show at Jaxx on the FII tour that is just a RIOT!
I saw Mike Blevins there, but I don't think he recognized me without my long hair (cut since March of '99, but DT hasn't come around in that long!) I assume that was the lovely Lisa Marie with him.
> Haha! I've always wished Phil would just kind of shrivel up and Devin > Townsend would take his place. Imagine Hevy Devy singing Cemetery > Gates!!!!! >> > > Has Phil hurt his vocal chords or something? He was never the greatest singer > in the world by any stretch of the imagination but he seems to have major > trouble even singing Cemetery gates any more! Maybe cause of all that > screaming he does??
Bingo.
> - Getting the Japanese Awake version with the help of Kaoru Kobayashi
Hey, so did I! That was the same night I actually met the band for the first time, too. Had them autograph my Japanese Awake CD!
Then it got stolen... :(
> The best part of that band was the > violin playing chick, not because she was hot, (well, admittedly, she was)
Was she? She had a face like The Joker! She could sure rip it up on the violin, though.
> I'm by no means a pantera expert, but i'm guessing his "extreme" lifestyle might > have to do with it. Its never healthy for your vocal cords to drink like a > fucking camel, smoke and do all kinds of shit(drugs) that these guys seem to do. > If he doesn't take care of his own body, seeing how he's OD'ed and all, I doubt he > gives a rats ass about his voice..
Bingo again.
> none. Hmm someone apologizing on the jam... how often does that happen?
Well, it seems that the latest "who's a senior 'Jammer?" thread has caused us all to remember some good times on the jam and thus bring about a sense of camaraderie. Personally, I'm going to enjoy it because I don't know how long it will last.
Just by virtue of that fact that some of us have been around for 6 years and some even longer, you can tell this list is a pretty special place. Hi guys.
> -- You groaned every time you saw Al post something, because Pat would be > right on him going "Where's my tapes"? :)
Wow, what an ordeal. I know Pat publicly forgave him on the jam, but did Al ever send him the tapes?
(Not trying to be facetious, just can't remember.)
> -- You remember Wes/Beavis's Anthrax .sig
Yes, but (and I wonder if I'm going to regret this...) what about the infamous "Ivory Gate of Dreams" sig? Let's see that one, it's been a few years.
What about the big ASCII middle finger, for that matter? :)
> -- You remember the "Did I make it in?" flood of posts approaching jams > #1000, #2112.....etc.
So, on Christmas Day, 1994 (or whenever Awake came out) how many people got up early to post at "6:00 on Christmas morning"?
Sorry for the long post, but things are going nicely on the Jam, I saw DT last night at the 9:30 club in DC, I'm going to see them Friday at the Electric Factory. Alles ist shoen und gut.
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 100 19:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: "Senior members" Message-ID: <200002230353.AA25785@crl.crl.com>
Hmmm, I guess I'd be a senior member. I honestly can't remember when I started on the list but it wasn't tooo long after it got started.
I tend to skim it (or archive it without reading it) during the quieter times, but I'm, uh, "actively skimming" it now. :)
Baaaaaafuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, --Paul
-- + Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ #4151223+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Storm Constantine * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Ozric Tentacles * Raymond Feist....|
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 100 20:08:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Some of my old-school, east-coast skill.... Message-ID: <200002230408.AA26247@crl.crl.com>
* You laugh when you see [deleted --kbibb]
Damnit, Ken was always deleting the cool stuff. :)
* You own any clothing with ytsejam@arastar.com on it
I'll "unretire" my red Ytsejam shirt for the Atlanta show. I only wear it now for state dinners and other occasions.
* You fondly remember Hairball, Babs, or Jeff Chew ("where are you now...")
--and so many other cool people who have gone away, gone ahead....
* You remember irc.dreamt.org before the op-wars necessitated bots
Now it's so quiet the bots are basically unneeded.
* The coolest "young person" you've ever "met" was Ben Laussade
You must mean "Head." :) Yea, and there was "RipZero," etc.....
* You remember Bafu's farewell post to arastar.com
I can remember being one of the first Jammers to meet him in person (Trey "T-Stretch" Allen was the other). He was so clean-cut we were sure he was Bafu's brother. "Yea, sure, kid, now go find Steve." hehe
* Syrinx and Ibanez playing "The Silent Man" still makes you bust out laughing
I, uh, just busted out laughing. :)
* You know why the Ytsejam's welcome message forbids religious debate
Yep. Not that it might not make an occasional change of pace around here. Gee, anyone wanna discuss singing ability for another week or two?
* You attended a YtseCon where band members actually attended (and that's before *my* time)
I don't think it was quite before my time -- right around when I started -- but I remember being pissed I couldn't be there. Happily I was there for YtseCon II and III.
* You need to take off your shoes and socks to count all the Ytsejam romances (failed and otherwise) that you can think of
Whew, at least I can think of one that worked......so far. :)
--Paul, "Pellaz" on IRC
-- + Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ #4151223+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Storm Constantine * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Ozric Tentacles * Raymond Feist....|
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