YTSEJAM Digest 5358
Today's Topics:
1) ECKIE 3:16
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
2) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5356
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
3) Re: Passagio
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
4) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5355
by "Greg Stafford" <thwizard@bellsouth.net>
5) BorgX3
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) ?
by giant96@themail.com
7) Re: Rude behavior?
by "Jenn" <jwillie@erols.com>
8) Re: Rude behavior?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Re:Christmas CD?
by Fett2002@aol.com
10) Re: Backstreet Slamming Cakeholes.
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
11) Re: Carmenr Electra
by Fett2002@aol.com
12) Re: Guitars...
by Fett2002@aol.com
13) Re: Integrity? Since when do humans care about integrity?
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
14) Re: Backstreet Slamming Cakeholes.
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
15) Re: ECKIE 3:16
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
16) Spock's Beard
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
17) Ignorance and talent
by "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
18) The corporately manufactured products
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
19)
by Yusuf Muhammad <myusufas@yahoo.com>
20) I want more Devin Townsend...I think.
by MaxArbot@aol.com
21) Re: Bmore show
by William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu>
22) The English Major
by "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
23) digests posts recycling saving
by Uroborosss@aol.com
24) Re: when elders return
by Art Ellis <artellis@icnt.net>
25) Dancing Turtle & complete SFAM structure, chords, tempos, etc.
by "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:53:54 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ECKIE 3:16
Message-ID: <38BC7832.CF499DCB@imap1.asu.edu>
Korg Ecksthrey brought the can of WHOOP ASS and a good serving of hot,
home-baked SHUT THE HELL UP:
> OK, I don't think you guys realize what fucking hypocrites you are.
> I'm surpsrised at how many of you people could still continue to watch Pro
> 'wrestling' after making such accusations. Pro Wrestling is completely
> manufactured and fake, no?
You're attacking the wrong side man! See what happens when you
conjugate your verb prematurely and end your sentences like a French
man? You start thinking like a Frenchman, and they hate everything!
(talk about a loaded slam heheheh....)
The Pro wrestling fans aren't the ones bitching about the back door boys
getting all the MTV air time, last time I read. Mr. Plumb, however,
you are rapidly earning your rightful title of SENATOR Palpatine. :)
Feel the power of the dark side, give into the hate!
Oh, yeah, baby, that's the spot...
On the music side of things, I've heard the mp3 off of www.satriani.com
and I must say it's a beautiful piece of music, but I dunno if this
means an even more mellow album than Crystal Planet from that alien with
the shiny guitar, but I'll probably end up buying it anyways.
And the new Pantera clips floating around the Panfuckingtera site are
brutal! I LOVE THIS STUFF! Dimebag and VP are the reigning GODS of
shreddin' poundin', beer guzzlin' rip your neighbor's poodle's head off
and mix it in a pesto sauce with a touch of garlic before shoving it up
your car's exhaust causing a chemical reaction to explode and propel
your car into the side of a concrete wall metal!
~The architect who listens to progressive MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMETAL
PS- Stands for Post Script, for those who've always wondered.
PPS- This is late and I don't even have the email, but a second slam
against the ignorant society plaguing the existence of my soul goes to
that person who posted that she listened to "Mega Death's" albums and
thought they were crap...well...the real Deth fans really know what I'm
alluding to here, so I don't think I have to type anymore :)
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:03:09 +1100
From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5356
Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9B366D82@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
>> I am still waiting for my Christmas
>>CD...........................Somebody =
>>help me please I goin' maaaaaaaaaaaad I tellz ya.
>>
>>Brad From Australia.
>
>Well, duh, Brad. Everybody *knows* DT doesn't ever make it to
>Australia...
HeeeeeyyyyY!!!!
Stop killing our hopes and dreams!!!
They've gotta come here one day *sniff*
I have hope..... *pray*
Marie
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Mystery
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Life is no more assuring than love
There are no answers from voices above..
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:11:09 -0500
From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Passagio
Message-ID: <002601bf832b$cac677a0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
Drew wrote:
"Hey, this is cool to know. Is that why whenever I'm singing a low,
"breathy" part, everything is good, but when it goes up a note or two, my
voice gets all uncontrollable and suddenly higher ? I'm not a singer at
all, so that's probably one reason, but this passage thing sounds like the
technical description. So I'd have a really low passagio in other words,
though I don't know if that's the correct way to term it.
Example: in Scarred, when James is singing "well, we're not laughing,"
that would be his chest voice, and then the "How come you don't understand
me?" would be his head voice ?
Is there any way to ease the jerky transition for an amateur from chest to
head voice, so if during a verse it gradually switched one's voice
wouldn't just either go way up stay low, as it does now ?"
Anybody can correct me if I am wrong on this, but I will attempt to
answer your questions. I don't really have much experience singing, nor do
I have much vocal training. I am taking a beginning voice class here at
college and we talked about passaggio (they didn't even tell us how to spell
it).
I would consider "Space Dye Vest" to be an example of James's chest
voice. I don't know personally where he shifts from chest to head. I
suppose the Scarred example applies also. My answer to the question
regarding the difference in James's voice is "sure, I guess."
Where your voice gets uncontrollable is probably your passaggio.
Whether it is high or low I can't tell you without hearing you sing. I know
mine only because I have tried and found it. The fact that your voice is
uncontrollable might simply mean that you are trying to sing too quietly and
aren't supporting your tone. That is another concept entirely. I have also
found when I try to sing "breathy" it is alot more difficult to control my
voice in general.
There is a way to ease the jerky transition, but sadly I don't know how
yet, we haven't gotten that far. I have heard it takes a while to perfect,
years. I wish I could tell you what it is, I'm pretty sure some other
jammers know what I am talking about--let us know how to do this. If you
play an instrument, try playing scales and singing along, and getting each
pitch to come out. I guess this might work so that your voice doesn't
suddenly jump.
If any jammers have any experience with vocal training (I know at least
Andrew does) let me (us) know whether or not I am right. Plus if you have
any vocal training ideas either send to me, or post them. If you feel this
is not jam appropriate, please mail me privately to let me know (If I wanted
to be flamed I would set myself on fire). IMO I think it is. There are
alot of musicians among us and any help with technique would be welcome in
my book.
Later.
Kenn
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:59:55 -0500
From: "Greg Stafford" <thwizard@bellsouth.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5355
Message-ID: <NDBBJAOKCLFDIHNFDJMHMEAICBAA.thwizard@bellsouth.net>
After reading all the reviews of the DT concerts around the country and
around the world, I feel like tonight is Christmas Eve. I say that because
tomorrow Dream Theater will be playing here in Atlanta. For the first time I
will attend, due to work schedules and missed oportunities, I missed seeing
them in the past. Originally from Cincinnati, Ohio I have yet to enjoy a
concert in my new hometown of Atlanta so I look forward to this one. Can't
think of a better band to have as my first concert in a new city.
Hope to see some of you at the concert tomorrow.
It's the music that matters.
later,
The Wizard
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:10:10 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: BorgX3
Message-ID: <200003010510.VAA23233@gms.gmsnet.com>
Looks like some people touched a nerve on Korg... He's cussing up a
storm!! bahahhahah...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:40:17 -0500 (EST) From: giant96@themail.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ? Message-ID: <200003010540.AAA27527@bleu.themail.com>
)Bð,
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:44:38 -0500 From: "Jenn" <jwillie@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Rude behavior? Message-ID: <000a01bf8341$3c99f9a0$c959accf@w8f3x>
]From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> >> Interesting. With all of the recent talk about "rude behavior" at >> shows, you're telling us you took "cuts" at the front of the line? >> That's usually considered pretty rude behavior. Did you and your >> friends ask the 100/300/600(?) people in line if it was ok if you cut >> in at the front? >Well, I don't see this as any worse than a person waiting in the front of >the line to buy tickets and having his friends get there later. I don't >consider it rude, because we'd made the plans AHEAD of time, instead of >walking up to him and saying, "Dude, do you mind if we cut in with you?"
Ahhh!! That is SUCH a cop out! It's this simple......if you want to get a good place in line, then GET THERE EARLY!!!!!!!!!!!! No one in line (who has been waiting for hours and hours) gives 2 shits if you "made plans AHEAD of time" or not. If you're too lazy to get there early, then go to the BACK of the line, don't cut in front of hundreds of people. I don't usually post, but this just pissed me off so much that I had to say something.
Jenn
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:19:35 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Rude behavior? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003010114440.78942-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Jenn wrote:
> Ahhh!! That is SUCH a cop out! It's this simple......if you want to > get a good place in line, then GET THERE EARLY!!!!!!!!!!!! No one in > line (who has been waiting for hours and hours) gives 2 shits if you > "made plans AHEAD of time" or not. If you're too lazy to get there > early, then go to the BACK of the line, don't cut in front of hundreds > of people. I don't usually post, but this just pissed me off so much > that I had to say something.
So it's not okay to meet up with friends? I think that's a little rash. I personally don't see anything wrong with someone holding your place in line for you - it's no worse than draping your coat over seats at an event and saying "These seats are taken" when somebody tries to take them. I don't have a problem with that and I don't have a problem with having somebody go ahead of you and get a spot in line, either. It's not like I'm being hypocritical or anything - if you did the same thing, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I didn't hear anybody complaining when we got there, either - and if they did have a serious problem, I might have considered going to the back of the line.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Sometimes, when I would read a very good book, I would stop and thank my teacher. At least, I used to, until she got an unlisted number. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:46:07 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Christmas CD? Message-ID: <fb.2c10f40.25ee16af@aol.com>
> I am still waiting for my Christmas CD...........................Somebody = > help me please I goin' maaaaaaaaaaaad I tellz ya. > Brad From Australia.
I sympathize with you. I'm still waiting as well! 4th of July CD maybe? -Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:09:49 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Backstreet Slamming Cakeholes. Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000301070949.017b242c@pi-r-squared.com>
> >Oh, so you know for sure that the Backstreets don't care about >music? That's interesting. Do you hire these psychic powers out to the >Sally Jesse show? You could make a killing. >
If you had looked further down, I willing admitted to taking a blind guess on that one. I will concede you the point, and refine my statement. It is not necessary for people to have any love of making music to become part of these groups. I was mainly speaking of the producers with the statement you quoted, anyway. The only thing they love is money.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the opportunity." -Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:52:40 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Carmenr Electra Message-ID: <bd.1585a28.25ee1838@aol.com>
<< Fast fact (on a mildly related note): Did you know Carmen Electra has an album? I found it at the radio station the other night. Pretty scary stuff. >>
Yeah, it was out in the early 90's and MTV used to play the one video (shocking, I know). Prince "discovered" her and got her an album deal. And I agree, pretty scary stuff indeed. -Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:57:31 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Guitars... Message-ID: <13.20d1875.25ee195b@aol.com>
<< 4. Tony Iommy - I personally don=B4t like the way he plays, but I must = agree that this mans breathes and sweats pure heavy metal, and he knows how t= o tell the world... >>
Well, it's Tony Iommi :) and I love the guy. The all time riff master IMO. Some cool blues based solos too. Some of those other guys ya mentioned are pretty damn cool too! randy Rhoads was a god IMO and a total shame that he died at such a young age. It's also ironic that no one from Black Sabbath died and he did, considering how much shit those guys did ya'd think they'd have died 3 times over by now. -Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:20:43 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Integrity? Since when do humans care about integrity? Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000301072043.017b3604@pi-r-squared.com>
I really don't understand what you're getting at here, unless you're referring to the fact that they put together collections of musicians to make an album. Maybe that's exploitation, but I try to view things in degrees rather than black and white. If you had read my original post that started all of this, I agree with most everything you said, but draw the line with the Backstreet Boys, that one single(group) entity. This is really the only band I'm referring to when I say this.
> >You should be a little more open to watching VH1's Before the Music a little >more and you'd realize how fucking bullshit that comment is. Many of these >"manufactured" bands' members either were struggling in the music biz or >were performing for years before hitting it big in the industry. That is a >completely baseless comment and I have no idea where you even thought to >gurgitate it from.
Again referring back to my post a couple jams ago. I found one day wandering through the Theater Department at my school a flier that read:
"Warner Brothers (Or whoever) Music is looking for the next Backstreet Boys! Must be a male between the ages of 17-21 of this certain height, this certain skin type, and possessing of good looks and sex appeal. Singing Lessons will be provided by Warner Brothers Music."
This is a weak basis, I WILLINGLY ADMIT, I just wanted to rant. Notice the part where it says they will train you to sing.
> >Don't argue with me that the music industry is corrupt. You're preaching to >the choir. But the music industry goes hand in hand with the average >citizen. I'm sure if everyone took music as seriously as we do, the music >scene would be a >little< different, but they don't, so the music industry >can make its own mold.
IMO: the definition of exploitation is taking advantage of people who could care less whether you were taking advantage of them. Maybe I'm too much of an idealist, but I think it's wrong.
> >But even if, say, DT did get the promotion and advertising >we< >feel they deserve, it still would not guarantee their success. You may >think people are absolute sheep who will cow to the media's demands, but >people still aren't going to listen to what they don't like. End of story.
Nowhere, in any of my posts, will you find me saying that everyone should sound, or even be of the same level as DT. You're lumping me in with everyone you were arguing against. I actually agree with you on that. I don't think DT is for everybody. I do think, however, that people only HEAR what is marketed to them, especially if they don't want to take the time to find the stuff. My argument is that we should at least have the decency not to manufacture fake bands, based on looks, and adding musical ability later. At least market them something that started somewhere. It doesn't have to sound like DT,it just has to come from somewhere other than a producer's paycheck, and a focus group study.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the opportunity." -Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:24:40 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Backstreet Slamming Cakeholes. Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000301072440.017b5f78@pi-r-squared.com>
Forgot this section in my last post.
>Um, from the Partridge family to the Spice Girls to the Backstreets, >nobody has tried to say that it's for real. The producers who put these >things together willingly admit and talk about it, dude. Try and pay >attention a little before you slag something, speaking of ignorance. >
I never DID speak of ignorance. There were a few other people who did, but not from any of my posts, that I can remember anyway. Ah well, I give up. Nobody's really listening to what I'm saying anyway.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the opportunity." -Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:29:11 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ECKIE 3:16 Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000301072911.017ae3d0@pi-r-squared.com>
>The Pro wrestling fans aren't the ones bitching about the back door boys >getting all the MTV air time, last time I read. Mr. Plumb, however, >you are rapidly earning your rightful title of SENATOR Palpatine. :) >Feel the power of the dark side, give into the hate! >
Bah. Do I really sound like that much of an asshole? If so, sorry.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the opportunity." -Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 02:12:14 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Spock's Beard Message-ID: <38BCC2CE.B6D3AFFE@home.com>
> 2. Spock's Beard - The Great Nothing
Is there a new Spock's album slated for 2000? What's the scoop on this people?
- Joe D. is happy, cause Spock's RULES
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:09:49 +0100 From: "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com> To: "'The Ytsejam Mailing list'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Ignorance and talent Message-ID: <C23163F98473D311874C0008C7E62107E78BBF@daemsg02.software-ag.de>
hi all
here we go again, one of my favourite themes. How many people out there eat franchised hamburgers and pizzas? And how many people out there realize that this stuff is shit? OK. And how many of these people consume this stuff because it's convienient, readily available, they've been raised on it by the industry since kids, and because they can't be bothered to shift their butts into the kitchen and make something much better themselves? My case rests, your Honour. To put it in an oversimplified form: Brittany Spears = McDonald's = industry = big profit Good art = good food = handmade = low profit Well, at least that's how I see it.
And before people question my personal stance, no, I never eat junk food or drink cola.
stay safe and happy listening/eating/drinking/mating Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com) Currently playing: THE ATOMIC BITCHWAX - Ditto
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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:33:47 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The corporately manufactured products Message-ID: <38BC3B3B.F4CA85B2@mol.com.mk>
> From: Fett2002@aol.com > > The "vast majority of shitheads," as you call them, aren't really > aware that these bands are just corporately manufactured products. > SO, it's kind of useless getting mad at them for they no not what > they do. I feel sad for them personally, and take some solace in > the fact that they will more than likely outgrow this phase of > their life. However, there is truly no hope at all for those in > the upper 20's and older who enjoy this stuff IMO.
But man, how can they be SO unaware? There are so many things pointing in that direction (that it is all in a way brainwashing).
I'm sure you all experienced it, you get pissed off and start explaining to your pal your theory of their fave music, and since what you say isn't really pleasant for their personality and intelligence (which is perfectly natural reaction) they look at you and shout: "Hey punk, I have a right to like this and this music, for me THIS is best music around and your crazy guitar gods are nothing but a bunch of sick noise! You have no right at all to title my music as garbage" On that final word you can't say anything else and give up eventually.
I find it a little crazy to believe I'm the only smart ass around (and folks like us). Yeah, it feels good to my ego, but I doubt it is true. Doesn't it sound scary - Few record companies put together a good looking boys band who knows the synchro-dance while poorly singing and the people go nuts for them? It all seems like some science-fiction mind control. I don't buy that really, even if it's true I wonder how can it be true?
Also an important thing to consider is WHY companies choose these genres to promote? WHY exactly those genres? What IS really the problem?
Maybe it's just very simple: Those folks really like that music! And it seems like those folks are huge majority in this world. Natural conclusion from this would be - we are the weird ones.
I'm serious here. :(
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:57:39 EST From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I want more Devin Townsend...I think. Message-ID: <ae.1eb4f01.25ee3583@aol.com>
I've only heard a little bit of good ol' Devin Townsend, and I was wondering if any of you wonderful 'Jammers out there could enlighten me with what I need to know. E-mail me privately, I guess.
[eriC]
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 04:30:51 -0500 (EST) From: William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Bmore show Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10003010425040.29904-100000@eagle.cs.unc.edu>
>>>I suspect you and I were the only two from the list there; anyone else with plans to go seems to have bailed. ::harrumphing at a couple of specific people:: What weirded me out was that it was an all ages show... I was surrounded by hordes of teenaged boys. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing; I'm just used to DT crowds being comprised of men who can grow *beards*. hehehe >>>
Daniel Chen and I picked up one more on the way to the show from NC, and met three more after the show. There were a handful of us there. Also, we learned from the guy who put together the video segments (met him after the show too) that the local authorities forced Bohager's to shut down the PA after the Dregs set. That's why the dregs were really loud, and DT was bearable. The only problem is that no PA + JP's 6 MesaBoogies = no Jordan or Myung in the mix. James was drowned out at times as well.
There were tons of teenagers there. They didn't bother, but the people who kept shoving me out of the way to go get another beer did. One guy changed positions three times in the show, always going to stand in front of the shortest person in his general area. I can take people drinking at the show, or smoking, but at least pick a spot and stay there.
-- William Cary Hall hall@cs.unc.edu http://www.cs.unc.edu/~hall ICQ# 6956498
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:33:24 +0100 From: "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The English Major Message-ID: <200003011044.CAA26125@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Hello!
On 28 Feb 00, at 16:07, some English Major wrote:
> I will but try and communicate the various feelings and ideas > that bombarded me like the U.S over Nazi Germany, 1944. The tools I > have to work with, these pathetic insturments of language are a hinderan= ce > instead of help. However, I am am English Major. I will use what's > been provided. I was trained for this.
These words definitely made me all the more determined in my opinion about= military people! I=B4d personally like to know out of which WW2-bunker this guy came creepi= ng out to spread his lousy message using such poor comparations. Very, very poor!
I cant understand why such people are still living in the past. Such comments, even meant as a joke, dont improve the relationship between USA and Germany.
If this was supposed to be a joke, please excuse that I wont laugh about i= t. If not, then please next time think first before writing such bullshit.
Thank you.
Personal replies can be sent to: schroedhelm@gmx.de
A very disappointed
Christoph from Germany
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:42:51 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: digests posts recycling saving Message-ID: <5f.20984d6.25ee4e2b@aol.com>
> From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> > Subject: Re: A note about Dr. Who > > <snip recycled post # 3,637,562,904>
That's it? That's all the posts we've had so far? :)
*sigh* I remember when Ytsejam Digest #2000 was just a sparkle on the horizon, an anxiety-creating big deal we were all heralding like the second coming of Christ...
For those of you who don't know, almost every Ytsejam Digest is available in a public archive. Skadz can direct you there.
> It's reassuring to note that BV saves his old messages.
It's reassuring to note that photographers save their old negatives. It's reassuring to note that composers save their old music. It's reassuring to note that architects save their old blueprints.
You've hit the tip of the iceberg, Paul. I save every word of everything I write, regardless of the forum or purpose.
> All my sent mail gets deleted every month.
Probably because you haven't stood up to da man and told him the day of atonement is at hand.
> Naturally, everyone believes what you wrote because you're venerated > and institutionalized on this forum. > > Did that come out right?...Guess so.
I could say "I am Dr. Mosh" and people would probably believe me. :) > And when I first saw the subject, I was expecting mention of K-9 at the > least.
You should have been expecting bmmmm-DA, da-NnNnN damda EEE-ma. Bah-bmmmm-da, da-NnNnN damda EEE-ma.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:36:53 -0500 From: Art Ellis <artellis@icnt.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: when elders return Message-ID: <38BD00D5.EDA6EB89@icnt.net>
<<<I like muffins. My blueberry muffins.
~Darth Eckie>>>>
On behalf of ytsejammer bakers everywhere, I warn you. We mix Blueberry muffins with our arms. An actual 'mixer' makes the blueberries burst. So you are most likely consuming a decent amount of bakers arm hairs. Makes you think, don't it?
~~Art
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:53:57 +0100 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dancing Turtle & complete SFAM structure, chords, tempos, etc. Message-ID: <200003011251.NAA30237@altair.ceu.hu>
In her/his recent electronic letter, YTSEJAM digest 5356 stated:
> > > Out of sheer boredom, I decided to make a drawing based on this... > > here's the URL: > > http://DarkHarmony.tripod.com/imagepages/DancingTurtle.html > > That must have been one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a long > time -- I loved it :-)
laughin my f. ass off, man! everybody check the link out
Another essential DT fan thing (many of you might know Fabien, maybe he is on the list too?) is THIS:
http://flabonde.free.fr/DTSFAM.htm
All I will say, is that if you are a musician, you will be impressed. Mike Portnoy was there, and left a note on his site about Fabien's work, which he found amazing. Check 'em out!
T-Bone >
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