YTSEJAM Digest 5282
Today's Topics:
1) Drugs and bands
by Richard Karsmakers <cronos@wxs.nl>
2) pearljam
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
3) Drummers & Guitarists
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
4) oofda
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
5) Re: Angra question?
by JamesAhab@aol.com
6) Re: Marc Bonilla
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
7) Re: Kip Winger
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5281
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
9) Re: What did Mike Bahr do?
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
10) re: bagging a chick with a DT album
by DTJFAN@aol.com
11) DC Jammers
by "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
12) Re: Re Band that every one likes
by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
13) re: dung beatles
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
14) Re: Beatles
by Fett2002@aol.com
15) nhbradio canceled tonight
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
16) Who the heck?
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
17) The Legend Of Mike Bahr
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
18) RE: The Legend Of Mike Bahr
by David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
19) New samples!
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5278
by Linus Akesson <lairfight@softhome.net>
21) good day
by "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
22) Mike Bahr
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
23) Marc Bonilla
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
24) Re: Mike Bahr
by JamesAhab@aol.com
25) MP article
by Ryan Blankenship <rblanken@gcfn.org>
26) Re: The Legend Of Mike Bahr
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:02:36 +0100
From: Richard Karsmakers <cronos@wxs.nl>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Drugs and bands
Message-ID: <388F34D9@twigger.nl>
In a recent thread on whether or not the Beatles sucked (whatever) there were
a couple of opinions about the use of drugs that I don't really understand.
Derek's "bong hit" and the possibility of other DT members doing pot was, so
it appeared, condemned. In fact, it was equalled to a lack of intelligence.
Now you have to know that I am from the Netherlands. In the Netherlands we
have a pretty liberal (possibly too liberal) drugs policy, so my opinions are,
um, culturally coloured I guess would be a fit description.
Pot is as heavy a drug as alcohol. You shouldn't drink and drive, you
shouldn't smoke pot and drive. Pot is nothing like LSD or heroine, and the
theory that 'pot leads to heavier stuff in the end' is much disputed (and
indeed refuted). I don't smoke, and I don't smoke pot. But if people (Derek,
other DT members, or any others basically) decide to smoke some pot then
that's fine with me. People drink coffee in the morning to get their arses in
gear, people smoke a cigarette to calm their nerves, people can have a
nightcap to allow them to sleep better, people should be able to smoke some
pot for whatever reason.
There's this TV programme called "Highway patrol" or something. It's made in
the US but broadcast here, too. When I see police officers arresting someone
because there is "a smell of pot" in the car (or indeed enough actual stuff to
roll a joint), or when I hear that Whitney Houston is arrested for possessing
15 grammes of marihuana, that strikes me as something of a rather mid-thirties
German way of dealing with things. In fact it pisses me off enormously.
There's so much crime going on that needs to be taken care of. A highway
patrolman occupied busting some poor sod's arse over a joint could be
contributing to a much more worthwhile cause.
Please understand that I am not promoting drugs here - the heavy stuff nor
the light stuff. But if people want to smoke pot then let them. Don't judge
them because *you* think it's bad. You don't judge your dad when he drinks a
beer, right? As long as it's in moderation, anyway.
Just my 2 Euro-cents.
Richard Karsmakers - richard@karsmakers.net
http://www.42nd.net
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:00:33 +1100
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: pearljam
Message-ID: <388D9E71.180BDD48@alphalink.com.au>
> two LA DT show tickets. Thanks). What ever happened to this band anyway?
>
Unless you were cryogenically (sp?) frozen and buried in the ground, or you don't
listen to the radio, you would have heard their cover of Last Kiss last year which
was their biggest hit ever and a surprise because it was originally only intended for
a fan club CD.
I saw them in support of Yield two years ago and that was my favourite show
ever (up against some greats including Ozzy, Malmsteen, Metallica, Tool and M. Manson).
I agree they have probably never equalled Ten, but Vitalogy is probably one of
the strangest and most interesting grunge albums, and the video clip to Do the Evolution
was fantastic.
>after awhile. Astro Creep seems a lot more varied, with better songwriting.
This is a very underated album IMHO. I've never heard anything with so much energy
before. I think Rob Zombie is basically a one trick wonder, but its a cool trick none the less.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:27:29 -0500
From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Drummers & Guitarists
Message-ID: <200001250827_MC2-960B-2FE9@compuserve.com>
I have two questions that maybe people on the list can help me with.
Has anyone seen or used Mike Mangini's Rhythm Knowledge lessons/teaching
package, if so some feedback on it would be nice.
Secondly, my guitarist friend has an Ibanez S440 ??? can't remember precisely
and it needs rewiring but we are no convinced that the way it is wired up at the
moment is correct can anyone help with a wiring diagram for this.
Thanks
DavidC
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:13:19 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: oofda
Message-ID: <388DAF7F.55BDD7A5@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I can't wait until I'm in your shoes. :)
Careful, the dogs are barking today.
> > And arguably, no Beatles = no Zep, = no Rush. Facts, not opinions.),
watch the attributions there. that was Trevor's line :)
> No God = No Adam and Eve = No you. hehehehe. That's about how ambiguous
> that debate goes.
Damn creationists ever where you turn </bigot>
> I won't proceed any farther.
No, I won't be buying your book :)
> You catch my drift. :)
Careful, the dogs are barking today.
> I make you horribly randy, Jon, admit it. You want to touch my tubules,
> baby? Yeah, baby, YEAH! No, no!
Guess there ain't much to do out that way till DT shows up, eh? :)
Woof Woof,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:45:05 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Angra question?
Message-ID: <ea.11b873f.25bf10f1@aol.com>
Does anyone know the lyrics at the end of "Make Believe," the ones that
aren't included in the booklet.
jim
np: nothing...at work
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:39:15 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Marc Bonilla
Message-ID: <388DC3A3.1E5E18BA@ivorygate.com>
DTGirl2612@aol.com wrote:
>
> >From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
> >Mark Bonilla - Is that obscure or what? I know I saw
> >him live, but I have no idea when or where.
>
> Possibly with Glenn Hughes - he contributed a lot to the album 'Addiction'
Anyone know what Marc is up to these days? Last I heard of him was his last
(as far as I know) solo album "American Matador", while it was good, I didn't
think it was quite as cool as "EE Ticket"... If you like instrumental
guitarists, you should check him out...
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:41:01 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Kip Winger Message-ID: <388DC40D.2390BE05@ivorygate.com>
Greg Kristianson wrote: > > So, Matt Tedesco feels that Kip Winger belongs on the bottom rung > of the Bass ladder. Well, Mr. Tedesco, I'd like to see you do a pirouette > with a bass slung around your neck with half the flair of Kip Winger. Actually, I've heard some of Kip's solo stuff since Winger... pretty good stuff... and I was talking to Rod Morganstein after a "Jazz Is Dead" show and he said that he really digs Kip's stuff (and plays on some of it as well).. I didn't hear anything on the second solo album, only on "thisconversationseemslikeadream". Is the other one even out yet?
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:45:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5281 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10001251041500.22349-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> > From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5279 > Message-ID: <4.1.20000125120509.00929d20@ozemail.com.au> > > >Another thing that's been on my mind about Angra, is that one guy on Epigram > >said he loved the Holy Land bonus track Queen of The Night. Anyone else > who has > >this kind of version ? Mine didn't... > > Yep it's on the Japanese version of HL and the special 2 CD version of HL
It's also on the US version of HL, I think. Almost all the US versions of Angra CD's have bonus tracks, IIRC. Fireworks and HL have the Japanese Tracks. Angels Cry has three remixes, Freedon call has the three tracks from Live at the FNAC on it, and Holy Live doesn't have any bonuses.
Sad, since I have Jap versions of HL, Fireworks, and Angels Cry.
-jeremy
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:53:06 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: What did Mike Bahr do? Message-ID: <388DC6E2.4E8F71A7@ivorygate.com>
Dave Peterson wrote: > > When I came back a year or so ago, it seems that he has REALLY wronged this > list - so much so that the mere mention of his name brings thoughts of > hellfire and other nasty images. > > My question: What did he do? Why is he so hated? > I'm sure I'm not the only one who is out of the loop on this one... Oh no... the yearly Mike Bahr discussion... hehe
Well, it seems that Mike Bahr was the guy who kept calling up Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci at all hours of the night asking them to get rid of that Kevin Moore character. I think this was all a plot to try and get Kevin to play in Bahr's little known underground Ska band. Well, the daily bugging of the band members finally worked and they tied him up, stuffed him in a trunk of a west coast bound car and the rest is history... I am really shocked by this, because I can't believe the guys in the band would actually believe Bahr's claims that testicular cancer was highly contagious and they needed to get rid of Kevin before they caught it (and lost all their hair too!).
So Kevin got shipped out west, but never did play in Bahr's band (he actually told Bahr that he thought Bahr was an awesome accordian player, and that his talents on keys would be vastly over shadowed if he were to join the band... Bahr became really depressed over this (and the fact that his band lost the opening slot for the Spice Girls' "Spice World & Ska" world tour, so he eventually headed to the hills and has not been seen or heard of since then...
So there you have it... Because Bahr actually caused Kevin to be kicked out of the band, most DT fans are naturally a little miffed at him... or maybe it was the last CD that he released, "When Images, Dream, Day, Words & Ska Unite"...
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:16:09 EST From: DTJFAN@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: bagging a chick with a DT album Message-ID: <49.b8fefe.25bf2649@aol.com>
That fantasy would definitely be each of the DT albums, and Jennifer Connelly, Heather Graham, Shannon Elizabeth(american pie), Kate Winslet,Jennifer Love Hewitt, and last but definitely not least, (drum roll here) Mariah Carey singing harmonies while in the act......(this is a joke folks).
np: ENGINE -falling star (my current favorite)
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:47:00 GMT From: "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DC Jammers Message-ID: <20000125164700.89721.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi Everyone, Long time lurker here. I was wondering if any DC jammers were interested in getting together before the Feb. 21st show at the 9:30 club. Maybe dinner or something? Reply publicly or privately if u like.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:32:14 +0100 From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re Band that every one likes Message-ID: <200001251932140070.0047739B@mail.matav.hu>
Hey,
>My vote would have to be for Led Zep as well.....I'll also venture to guess >that everyone on this list likes Rush as well(?)
What about Queensryche or Metallica?
Bye
ZZZZZ
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: dung beatles Message-ID: <20000125185438.9788.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com>
"Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
> This, perhaps, is one of the major reasons I don't like the Beatles - > other than not liking any of their songs :) - all the drugs. If all the > music they made after a certain point was the result of mind-altering > substances, like LSD, you're a fan of LSD, not the Beatles.
> And don't give me the argument that eveyone in the music business does > drugs. I know this is closer to fact than fiction, and sometimes I > can't sleep at night because of it. I sometimes have trouble ignoring the > fact that Rush writes a song about THC, and that Derek speaks of "taking a > bong hit" (Keyboard magazine interview) or the rest of the guys in Dream > Theater probably hit the weed (or other drugs) too. It takes a special kind of > music to make me ignore these obvious weaknesses in character and > judgement and intelligence.
I'm glad to see you will forgive Dream Theater for their obvious weaknesses in character, judgement and intelligence.
Before I even start, I think you've sucked me in again. This sounds very familiar to the "James smoked pot in Amsterdamm" discussion. Were you the main spokesman for the "Just say no to Drugs" campaign? Maybe not.
There's a difference between user and abusers. The problem is not drugs, it's people who are out of control. You seem to be mixing the two. It's the people who abuse that have a problem, and may become a nuisance. I don't think the guys in Dream Theater are out of control. Many musicians do go out of control, but once again, it's not the drugs, it's the people.
my $.02, BH
p.s. I am against the use of any drugs, and don't recommend them to anyone. Most drugs used in America are pushed by Drug Companies, not hippies. Put people in jail for marijuana, but prescribe Ritalin for half the children? That really makes sense.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:11:05 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Beatles Message-ID: <17.eed7b2.25bf4f49@aol.com>
> >I think most of that credit should go to George Martin. > >> Some, sure. But a lot of it also came from Lennon and McCartney.
>Ok. Maybe "a lot" of it did come from Lennon and McCartney. But MOST of it >did come from Sir George.
Well, THIS statement makes absolute ZERO sense. You managed to do an excellent job contradicting yourself here.
>> Sure I can guarantee this.
>I say again: no, you can't. By nature of the word "guarantee", you can't. >You can't possibly guarantee this without a time machine and a way to make >sure they never got together in the first place.
As a matter of fact, I DO have a time mention and HAVE tried doing this as an experiment. It was a nightmare. I came back to the year 2000 and The Spice Girls were being hailed as the greatest song writers EVER. Not only that, but John Petrucci was a taxi cab driver and Mike Portnoy was a waiter!
>>Many of the bands that have influenced DT to be what they are were directly >>influenced to a varying >degree by the Beatles. If you don't think so, then >>you obviously don't have much of an ear for music.
>That has nothing to do with "an ear for music." It has to do with an ear >for the Beatles. I can certainly listen to music and identify the Beatles's >influence, be it in style, arrangement, or technique. If everything is to >be measured according to who influenced whom, why stop at the Beatles? >Wasn't there music before them? Did the Beatles invent harmony? Am I unfit >to like Pantera by virtue of the fact that I don't like Black Sabbath? >Should I like Clementi just because I like Mozart?
No, of course you shouldn't. That's not what I meant. I simply meant that IMO it's important that the Beatles ahould be recognized for their importnace to the worls of music. Now, basically it comes down to this: I think they were an important band; you do not. And that's that. End of thread for me (I think! lol). By the way, speaking of Pantera, does anyone know when they're new album comes out? It should be pretty soon I think. -Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:13:26 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: "No Holds barred distribution list":;, Subject: nhbradio canceled tonight Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000125140058.00a1eae0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Due to the noreaster that is gripping the New Jersey area, we will not be doing No Holds barred Radio tonight. Mike is unable to drive up here due to te weather, and my studio is in shambles at the present time and since Mike puts everything together, I am unable to do it. Should've labeled that ixer in braille a long time ago. Anyway, it is the greatest gift we can gie. Complete silence tonigh. if you want to hear what could be our best show ever, point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Yes, no show is usually our best show ever.
-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:10:22 -0800 From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Who the heck? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000125121022.00aec580@objypop>
Since someone mentioned the Who, here's my two cents.
They have all the pretentiousness of a prog band, and none of the talent.
This was cemented for me when I heard Pete Townsend on the radio talking about how his voice is "made for opera, not rock music" -- makes me laugh. They guy is 100% rock and roll and no opera whatsoever.
~Chris
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:38:40 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Legend Of Mike Bahr Message-ID: <4.1.20000126071207.0091f550@ozemail.com.au>
Well you wanted to know what happened to Mike Bahr, here's my take on him.
He started of sellling bootlegs, putting out quality product. Things started to go well for him, so well that he got greedy. Instead of doing it for a hobby, it became a business. He then became more interested in making money than customer service. He started offering more titles, again greed factor, his service bacame very slow, some waited a couple of years for a CDR. The quality of his product deteriated to such a level that he used crappy black and white artwork for liners and even put songs that were not performed by Dream Theater and had the nerve to give them titles and say they were DT songs. The he put out a bootleg that he recorded from a real audio broadcast on the internet. then claimed the recording to be soundboard, when in fact it wasn't. To make matter worse he was still taking peoples money when hae had no hope in keeping up with orders. It was common for his customers to wait months, even years for his precious bootlegs. Which didn't seem to bother him, all he would offer is excuses and he continued to spend the money that was coming in for orders. So basically he ripped off a lot of people. Really his bootlegs aern't worth diddly squat these days, I picked up nearly all his DT boots (originals) for next to nothing.
The last I heard he opened a legitimate games shop, when bankrupt, sold the masters of his DT and other boots. And he is now in Brasil living with Ronald Biggs as a futative, wanted by interpol for his crimes again fellow yammers. Seriously he is the lowest form of person their is, ripping off fellow music lovers of Dream Theater and others and he never showed any real remorse. I hope he is rotting in jail somewhere with a smashed bottle up his ass :)
gaz
I am sure this is going to be a most interesting thread, until Skadz halts it :)
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:55:22 -0700 From: David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: The Legend Of Mike Bahr Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117AAC@MESSAGING>
> The last I heard he opened a legitimate games shop, when bankrupt, sold > the masters of his DT and other boots. > And he is now in Brasil living with Ronald Biggs as a futative, wanted by > interpol for his crimes again fellow yammers. > Seriously he is the lowest form of person their is, ripping off fellow > music lovers of Dream Theater and others and he never showed > any real remorse. > I hope he is rotting in jail somewhere with a smashed bottle up his ass :)
I'm glad to say I did an in-person deal with him a couple years ago (in the midst of the mayhem) - I found it humorous that he made me meet him somewhere (we live about 2 miles away from each other, in Mesa, Arizona) - we had to meet at his game store because he didn't want me to know his address, for fear of me passing it on to the people on the jam that wanted his ass... :)
I got my boots right then (and I didn't have to wait 3 seconds) - of course that makes me a huge dick, because I'm sure there are hundreds of you out there who lost their money to the poor sap!
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:40:28 +0100 (CET) From: Linus Akesson <lairfight@softhome.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5278 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0001252258440.1119-100000@localhost>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:58:09 -0600 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: good day Message-ID: <94883574601@mail.socket.net>
Damn, today has got to be one of the best day sof my life. Not only did I get the latest DTIFC zine with the Christmas CD (which rules, by the way), but, I also recieved my tickets for the Feb. 13 show in Chicago. Damn, life is good :).
Dale R> Newberry
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:31:14 -0500 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Mike Bahr Message-ID: <002001bf6783$e51e2d00$802efea9@phoenix>
>My question: What did he do? Why is he so hated? >I'm sure I'm not the only one who is out of the loop on this one...
Well, considering that I'm one of the oldest list members on here, I guess that makes me qualified to talk about Mike.
I think the begining of the end for Mike was when he lost his ability to make silvers. Before, all he had to do was to get the master made and send it off to be duplicated. After that, he had to create CD-Rs by hand. That and that he became financially dependant on the CDs were his downfall.
The one that killed him was Virtual Songs, a 3 CD boot of Rush's Test For Echo tour. He was over a year behind with some of the orders. Since it was a full time job for him, he still was putting projects after that one and taking money for it. People on the list started getting upset at him, critisizing how much he was charging, how much it cost, etc. Eventually, he had to give the remainder of the work to someone else to finish and was pretty much run off this list.
I think Mike ment well enough, but got way over his head. What started off as a service to the members of this list turned into an enterprise to take care of a demand he found. In the end, he dug himself a hole he couldn't get himself out of. Sad, really. I liked the guy.
Those of you who still villify him, just remember that we on this list created him and we bear some responsibility for what happened. At the time, he served a purpose. It introduced a lot of people to ACoS and Eve and To Live Forever to those who wouldn't have otherwise have heard them. He might be partially responsible for ACoS for being recorded. I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes. He made plenty of them. But I'm also saying he doesn't bear all of the responsibility either.
Sorry, had to get that out...
Jason
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:33:17 -0500 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Marc Bonilla Message-ID: <002601bf6784$2d4e1860$802efea9@phoenix>
>This guy recorded two CDs and seems to have vanished from the planet. I much >prefer "American Matador" to "EE Ticket" but both are good purchases for >lovers of guitar-dominated instrumentals.
Not completely. He's on Magna Carta's ELP tribute.
Jason
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:44:32 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mike Bahr Message-ID: <2.8d2cd3.25bf8150@aol.com>
The problem - at least in my opinion - is not that he had to have someone else complete his orders for him, but the fact that 50% of his "customers" still never got what they payed for. He was like a politician making promises he couldn't keep.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:52:18 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Blankenship <rblanken@gcfn.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: MP article Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.10001251718.A27247-a100000@acme>
I was at a bookstore the other day and saw a metal magazine(forget the title, it wasntmetal edge)that had dt on the top left corner of it...it had a really cool interview with MP and the writer was very supportive of SFAM...the interesting part was that Mike went on about how big of an influence the Beatles were to him, and how he loves to take their ideas (since he feels they were so innovative) and incorporate them into DT...like the ending to Pull me Under taken from I Want You(shes so heavy)...I dunno, thats just what i read a couple days ago, and i know 50 people have written to ask people to stop posting Beatles comments, but still, 49 of them had to throw in their opinion....
Blankey
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:13:42 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Legend Of Mike Bahr Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000125181222.00a2e4e0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Hey, Graham. Would Scenes from a memory, the cd with the fii demos on it, be that CD that he put songs not performed by dT on? I do not recognize the playing part way through. Have no idea what the hell it is. By the way, I am looking for a few things to complete my Mike Bahr collection. Can anybody send me a complete list of the stuff he produced? Are his Rush bootlegs worth any weight in salt? At 03:53 PM 1/25/00 , you wrote:
>Well you wanted to know what happened to Mike Bahr, here's >my take on him. > >He started of sellling bootlegs, putting out quality product. >Things started to go well for him, so well that he got greedy. >Instead of doing it for a hobby, it became a business. >He then became more interested in making money than >customer service. >He started offering more titles, again greed factor, his service >bacame very slow, some waited a couple of years for a CDR. >The quality of his product deteriated to such a level that he >used crappy black and white artwork for liners and even >put songs that were not performed by Dream Theater and had >the nerve to give them titles and say they were DT songs. >The he put out a bootleg that he recorded from a real audio broadcast >on the internet. then claimed the recording to be soundboard, when in >fact it wasn't. >To make matter worse he was still taking peoples money when hae had >no hope in keeping up with orders. >It was common for his customers to wait months, even years for his >precious bootlegs. >Which didn't seem to bother him, all he would offer is excuses and >he continued to spend the money that was coming in for orders. >So basically he ripped off a lot of people. >Really his bootlegs aern't worth diddly squat these days, I picked up >nearly all his DT boots (originals) for next to nothing. > >The last I heard he opened a legitimate games shop, when bankrupt, sold >the masters of his DT and other boots. >And he is now in Brasil living with Ronald Biggs as a futative, wanted by >interpol for his crimes again fellow yammers. >Seriously he is the lowest form of person their is, ripping off fellow >music lovers of Dream Theater and others and he never showed >any real remorse. >I hope he is rotting in jail somewhere with a smashed bottle up his ass :) > >gaz > >I am sure this is going to be a most interesting thread, until Skadz halts >it :)
-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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