YTSEJAM Digest 5281
Today's Topics:
1) Kip Winger
by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
2) Re: Angra Acoustic Set?
by Paul Kendall <pkendall@wave.co.nz>
3) RE: The ex-drummer for Rush lives in my town?
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
4) dung beatles
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) she came in thru the bathroom window
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5279
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
7) Re: Wow, I feel like such a bitch
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
8) Re: Kip Winger
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
9) What did Mike Bahr do?
by glyde@conk.com (Dave Peterson)
10) Re: The Who
by MTeiper@aol.com
11) Dream Theater in GA
by Jpbwildcat@aol.com
12) bonham
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
13) Re: Beatles, Zep, whatever
by Fett2002@aol.com
14) Miss ME?
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
15) Top 90 Replies
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
16) Re: Top 90 Replies
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
17) Re: Top 90 Replies
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
18) Christmas CD
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
19) Re: Angra Acoustic Set?
by "Jordi Torras" <Syrinx@teleline.es>
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:51:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Kip Winger
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10001241543170.23368-100000@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca>
So, Matt Tedesco feels that Kip Winger belongs on the bottom rung
of the Bass ladder. Well, Mr. Tedesco, I'd like to see you do a pirouette
with a bass slung around your neck with half the flair of Kip Winger.
Can't Get Enuff,
Grp
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:47:13 +1300
From: Paul Kendall <pkendall@wave.co.nz>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Angra Acoustic Set?
Message-ID: <l03130302b4b29368d289@[203.96.192.172]>
Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Another thing that's been on my mind about Angra, is that one guy on Epigram
>said he loved the Holy Land bonus track Queen of The Night. Anyone else
>who has
>this kind of version ? Mine didn't...
Yep, it's a bonus track on the Japanese version of "Holy Land" and the
limited edition 2CD version I have. The other CD includes the 3 live
acoustic tracks from FNAC.
Paul
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:54:48 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: The ex-drummer for Rush lives in my town?
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000124182548.00a286b0@cs.millersv.edu>
>I heard some folks in my little, podunk town talking about a high school
>teacher that was supposedly once the drummer for Rush.
Maybe they meant Otis, Tom, or Bobby Rush. Or, hell, I'm sure there was an
American band called Rush that was forced to change their name when the
Canadians (musically) stormed the country...
Pretending to be John Rutsey -- what's this country coming to? Next thing
you know, there'll be fake Charlie Dominicis.
Apologies in advance for the shameless plug -- Automaton Hit Parade kicks
off a new season late tonight / early tomorrow (1-3am (eastern US)). Tune
in via RealAudio at http://www.wixq.com/ for two hours of progrock. Slated
for tonight's playlist: Anekdoten, live Fish, IQ, Happy The Man, Van Der
Graaf, lots more.
Done plugging. You'll hear no more from me...
Brian
[NP...The Flower Kings -- Stardust We Are]
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:16:04 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: dung beatles
Message-ID: <001501bf66c9$5fd7c8a0$0200010a@steve>
> >>Not to mention the many innovations that
> >>they were rsponsible for in the recording process itself.
>
> >I think most of that credit should go to George Martin.
>
> Some, sure. But a lot of it also came from Lennon and McCartney.
Ok. Maybe "a lot" of it did come from Lennon and McCartney. But MOST of it
did come from Sir George.
> DT just put out a new album. That would make DT a part of
> "music today" as you so generally call it, since it came out recently. I
> asume you listen to DT (and subsequently are a fan) since you are on this
> list. That would mean that you listen to at least some of today's music.
This
> would take YOU down a notch on the credibility scale since I just
nullified
> your whole statement of "music sucks today" through simple logic.
Not quite. :)
If one band - let's say Dream Theater - were representative of all "music
today", all music would be great. If one band - let's say The Beatles -
were representative of all music "yesterday" (pun intended), would their
wonderfulness mean that every single act back then were equally wonderful?
Nope. DT is no more representative of "music today" as any one band or
artist picked at random is representative of "music yesterday" or "music
tomorrow".
> >>I can GUARANTEE you there would be no Dream Theater as we know it.
>
> >a) no, you can't, and 2) maybe some of the things I really dislike about
DT
> >would be gone if the Beatles had never existed.
>
> Sure I can guarantee this.
I say again: no, you can't. By nature of the word "guarantee", you can't.
You can't possibly guarantee this without a time machine and a way to make
sure they never got together in the first place.
When I think about a world in which the Beatles never existed, I think of a
world in which things are almost EXACTLY the same as they are now. (One
obvious upside: less Yoko.) Your parents would probably be a little less
embarassed about their pictures from when they were teenagers. If John,
Paul, George, and Pete/Ringo hadn't thought of it, maybe someone else would
have. And the influences of the influences of your favorite band would have
probably still heard it and liked it and applied it to their own
playing/composition.
>Many of the bands that have influenced DT to be what they are were directly
influenced to a varying >degree by the Beatles. If you don't think so, then
you obviously don't have much of an ear for music.
That has nothing to do with "an ear for music." It has to do with an ear
for the Beatles. I can certainly listen to music and identify the Beatles's
influence, be it in style, arrangement, or technique. If everything is to
be measured according to who influenced whom, why stop at the Beatles?
Wasn't there music before them? Did the Beatles invent harmony? Am I unfit
to like Pantera by virtue of the fact that I don't like Black Sabbath?
Should I like Clementi just because I like Mozart?
> Just about every rock band in the 70's were directly influenced by them.
This
> is a FACT. Whether you want to believe it or not.
Of course they were. I never said they weren't. Every rock band from the
70's (and most form the 60's, namely the Beatles peers), every pop artist
since then, most country artists since then, etc. I can certainly recognize
the Beatles influence. It may SICKEN me, but I recognize their influence.
> It scares the hell out of me that some people don't understand the effect
that the Beatles have had on
> music and its evolution. Nuff said.
It scares the hell out of me that people cannot differentiate between not
UNDERSTANDING something and just plain NOT LIKING something.
> an album with that type of stuff so the band didn't go ahead until they
had the
> freedom to say 'f*** you' (and they had taken a lot of LSD).
This, perhaps, is one of the major reasons I don't like the Beatles - other
than not liking any of their songs :) - all the drugs. If all the music
they made after a certain point was the result of mind-altering substances,
like LSD, you're a fan of LSD, not the Beatles.
And don't give me the argument that eveyone in the music business does
drugs. I know this is closer to fact than fiction, and sometimes I can't
sleep at night because of it. I sometimes have trouble ignoring the fact
that Rush writes a song about THC, and that Derek speaks of "taking a bong
hit" (Keyboard magazine interview) or the rest of the guys in Dream Theater
probably hit the weed (or other drugs) too. It takes a special kind of
music to make me ignore these obvious weaknesses in character and judgement
and intelligence. Rush and DT make that music. The Beatles never have.
> > people's opinions in my mind. I don't think you can find a better
> collection
> > of at least 20 of the most brilliant melodies ever written within Rubber
> Soul
>
> 20 of the most brilliant melodies EVER WRITTEN? Sorry, but that's a
> stretch.
> A good way not to "destroy the integrity of your opinion" in OTHER
> people's minds is not to make such silly, extremist statements. It's not
> I don't agree that The Beatles were an important influence in music, etc,
> but to say that in 2000+ years of recorded (written) music 20 of the best
> melodies ever can be found on 2 of the Beatles' albums is ...well.... I'll
> just say REALLY far-fetched.
>
> Josh Calkin:
A voice of reason!!! Thank you!
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:14:58 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: she came in thru the bathroom window
Message-ID: <388CCEE2.622060AD@mol.com.mk>
> From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
>=20
> Now pretty much everything Rubber Soul has it's place
> in pop music, even Magical Mystery Tour for as much as
> I dislike that CD=20
And here we see the stupidity of categorizing music into stupid shelfs.
:( EVEN if it's POP, although I think it isn't, it doesn't matter. It is
one HELL OF A GOOD music.
=20
> I love the White Album too, but it's basically a solo
> showcase for the individual members moreso than actual
> *band* album. And yet it's really good=20
Anyway, it IS good, doesn't matter who wrote what.
> (I'm a sucker for anything written by George Harrison).=20
> Latter day Beatles, regardless of your definition.
=20
"sucker for anything", that's new English to me. :) So you HATE or LIKE
it?
"Something" happens to be one of the best Beatles ballads, IMO.
> > I promised myself I won't participate in this stupid
> > thread, but ..
> >=20
> > ZAPPA - HELL YEAH!!!
>=20
> I promised myself the same, but... I never got into Zappa.
And that's where you made a mistake. :)
> Another one bites the dust. Any Who fans on this list? :o=FE
ME MORON! :) WOOHOO.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:11:50 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5279
Message-ID: <4.1.20000125120509.00929d20@ozemail.com.au>
>I got a problem. I'm trying to make a CD-R copy of a DT bootleg which is
>almost 74min long. I use Easy CD Creator 3.5c and it says it's 17 secs
>overtime. Weird because the source CD contains 649 Mb and the target CD-R
>(Sony) contains 652 Mb free space.
>
>Any idea on how to burn the CD without lost anything??
Yep easy, did a CDR last night that ran 17 secs over using EZCD 3.5.
Use the wizard to select the tracks, after the overtime warning comes up
hit 'cancel' , all the tracks you selected should be still their.
Hit the red button, select create CD and choose Disc-at-once method,
that will negate the overtime by having no gaps in between tracks;)
>My copy didn't, I don't have it here so I can't confirn this, but I recall
that
>it had different remixes of the songs: Queen of The Night, Deep Blue,
>Painkiller
>and one other.
Yep Brasil only I think :)
>Another thing that's been on my mind about Angra, is that one guy on Epigram
>said he loved the Holy Land bonus track Queen of The Night. Anyone else
who has
>this kind of version ? Mine didn't...
Yep it's on the Japanese version of HL and the special 2 CD version of HL
Anyone wanna beat flying 25 hours in a plane from Sydney, Australia to
London, England
then onto Amsterdam to catch a Dream Theater show :) ?
No ?
gaz :)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:39:37 -0500
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel like such a bitch
Message-ID: <388D0CE9.23AFF492@yunque.net>
Hey im not gonna flame you..i would just be curious on why youre not
going. I flamed that other guy for begging MP for a date in his city and
bitching and moaning about driving there.
Amanda Rosenblum wrote:
> And an ungrateful bitch at that. There are two shows within driving
> distance of me, and I'm not going to either of them. I don't have a
> ride, but I'm sure if I really wanted to go (which I don't) I could
> muster enough sucking up to get one. I now welcome the hate mail from
> people flying twelve hours to see DT :)
>
> ~~Amanda
--Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:44:21 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Kip Winger Message-ID: <388D0E05.EB9AA0B7@yunque.net>
Last time i heard , kip winger was a musician, not a circus performer. If his musical talents are lacking , no flashiness, dancing, piruets or whatever are going to change that. If you were being sarcastic.. well whatever heh
Greg Kristianson wrote:
> So, Matt Tedesco feels that Kip Winger belongs on the bottom rung > of the Bass ladder. Well, Mr. Tedesco, I'd like to see you do a pirouette > with a bass slung around your neck with half the flair of Kip Winger. > > > Can't Get Enuff, > > Grp
--
Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:09:24 -0500 (EST) From: glyde@conk.com (Dave Peterson) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: What did Mike Bahr do? Message-ID: <200001250209.VAA25607@netroamer.com>
When I joined this list oh-so-many years ago, Mike Bahr's name was pretty much universally associated with him being a really cool guy who made cheap and really awesome DT bootlegs. I bought an original pressing of Subconscious, as well as a copy of When Dream and Today Unite. They both still get solid rotation in my CD player to this day.
Then I had to leave the 'jam for a year.
When I came back a year or so ago, it seems that he has REALLY wronged this list - so much so that the mere mention of his name brings thoughts of hellfire and other nasty images.
My question: What did he do? Why is he so hated? I'm sure I'm not the only one who is out of the loop on this one...
Did he start a thread where he asked the 'jam if they all could agree upon a band besides Dream Theater that they all liked? ;)
- Dr. Teeth
NP: Ani DiFranco - Not a Pretty Girl
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:43:45 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Who Message-ID: <ab.5280b9.25be67e1@aol.com>
In a message dated 01/24/2000 3:03:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, Trent writes:
<< Any Who fans on this list? >>
/me raises hand proudly
Hell Yes!! IMHO, one of the best "classic rock" bands ever. Pete Townshend is an absolute songwriting genius... although I can do without any of their really early stuff. (I friggin' HATE "My Generation" although I realize it had a huge impact on the history of rock.) "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" are masterpieces, as are songs like "Won't Get Fooled Again", "Baba O'Reilly", "Behind Blue Eyes", etc. Seeing "Quadrophenia" a couple years ago with the huge screens and guest performers is still one of the most electrifying concerts I've ever seen. (And I'm STILL waiting for an officially released show from this tour... :-( Until then, all I have is a pretty decent boot to tide me over...)
Gotta run... Later!
- Matt T.
NP: Conception: "Cry" MP3 (Wow, what a GREAT song!!)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:30:47 EST From: Jpbwildcat@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Theater in GA Message-ID: <73.af91f6.25be72e7@aol.com>
If any doesn't know this already but Ticketmaster is listing the DT show in Atlanta to go onsale Wednesday
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:27:44 +1100 From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: bonham Message-ID: <388D3450.41FBFA2C@alphalink.com.au>
> hehehe. riiiiiiiiight. I think you've got that backwards, Korgy > boy. :) Most people have already forgotten Rush, thank god. Zeppelin are > still vital and will continue to be.
thats so true. most people wouldn't even have a clue who rush is but led zeppelin is a household name. Btw. I think some of Bonham's drum sounds are the coolest I've heard. I also don't think he ever played to his full capabilities.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:34:33 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Beatles, Zep, whatever Message-ID: <c0.ba672a.25be8fe9@aol.com>
OK, I'm getting tired of this whole Beatles good/bad abd Zeppelin good/bad thing (no wise remarks please, Korg lol). I got a whole new argument that'll be a lot more fun. If you could bag any chick while listening to any DT album you could, which would it be? I'd go with SFAM and Yasmine Bleeth. Any one else agree/ disagree /care less/ whatever??? -Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:12:06 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Miss ME? Message-ID: <20000125.011211.11670.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
hey ytseland! Actually found time to check email and reply! Ive been busy with booking my Atlanta trip for the show (Tickets on sale Wednesday!) and with school starting. I am going to see Machine Head live on Fri for the Burning Red tour, which is a kick ass album, and one of Mickey's favs too, so I have to like him because imitation is the sincerest form of flatery.
LET FREEDOM REIGN WITH A SHOTGUN BLAST!!!!!!
Kurt Np-Kings X April Showers (Best of)
"and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone" "Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred" 45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:59:50 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Top 90 Replies Message-ID: <007b01bf6701$c6efdd60$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> From: Brian Hansen > > There's that Dave guy from Wendy's again! Man, that > Cheddar bacon burger that's in heavy rotation looks > damn good!
Thanks. Remember, owning Wendy's is how I can afford to keep my lavish lifestyle...
> > Anyway, thought I'd throw a couple of comments in on > this topic of best of the 90's... > > First of all, Dave's list is definitely a list to > check out for prog metal fans. Dave has prefaced the > whole list with the disclaimer that these are the > discs he has bought, so no one should be shocked if > their favorite rap album didn't make the list. Dave > may like rap, but he didn't put any on the list. (How > do you sort all those discs? A manual bubble-sort?)
Well, it is kind of hard to review CDs that you don't own, or don't have access to. There were a couple of things that might have made the list if I had them to listen to more than the one time I heard them (Robert Miles "23 AM" and some Future Sounds Of London CDs immediately spring to mind). I do own everything on the list except one entry, which was a tape that someone gave me. I've since purchased the CD. Any guesses about it's identity? I'll reveal it at the end of this message for those that care (bet you can't wait!).
Like I said in the intro, there are thousands of CDs released every year, and it's impossible to hear all of them. A recent Wired article said that about 3% of CDs released in a given year sell more than 10,000 copies, so it looks like not many people hear a lot of them either. I didn't make any sort of pre-judgement to musical categories, I just picked what to me were the best 90 discs out of several hundred. My personal preferences are for prog/metal/prog metal with a smaller selection of industrial/techno/electronic, so this list reflects my personal tastes (just like any list of this type would). The little paragraphs were included with each disc to give the reader an idea of what I thought about the disc. Hopefully this succeeded.
How I ranked them was a more or less "this one is better than that one" type of metal processing. The ranking is valid for the day I posted that article. I'm sure I could endlessly shuffle the order, but then I'd never get the article finished. Indeed, there are things I'd probably move around if I was doing the list today (Spock's Beard's "The Light" should probably be higher) and there might be things I would add. I'm not sure why I left off the first Zero Hour CD, and I've heard some things since writing the list that might have made it (Anglagard and Devil Doll, the latter of which is INSANE)but I'll stick by the list. It's fun to see people's reaction to it, like you comments below.
> > My comments: > > Mark Bonilla - Is that obscure or what? I know I saw > him live, but I have no idea when or where.
This guy recorded two CDs and seems to have vanished from the planet. I much prefer "American Matador" to "EE Ticket" but both are good purchases for lovers of guitar-dominated instrumentals.
> > Soundgarden - Sell out or apex? I've been a > Soundgarden fan since the "Full On..." stage, but I > have to say that Superunknown was the top of their > form. It was so good that it was overplayed, and > resulted in oversaturation, but it still may be my > favorite. Call me crazy, but I like well-crafted pop. > Can't say anything bad about the Badmotorfinger > selection though.
I've never sold/traded a CD that I have bought, no matter how much I don't like it. Superunknown came very close to being taken back to the store, though. When I was working on this list, I listened to it again, and still hate it. Compare something like "Jesus Christ Pose" to "Black Hole Sun". No contest.
> > Grunge - Pearl Jam/10 - It's not on the list, but > since you strayed a little into the grunge area, I > gotta say that this is in my top 10 of the 90's. It > spawned a whole style. It suffered from the same > oversaturation as Superunknown, but I can't hold that > against it. All PJ after that was a big step down. I > blame Eddie. They wrote all the music on 10 before > Eddie joined. They should have done the same with the > rest of their recordings.
While 10 was easily the best PJ CD, I'm still not overly fond of it. I do consider it an influential CD, but the list was about what I thought was best, not most influential. I'll agree with your comment, though, that it was all down hill from there. I probably should have included them just because of their stand against Ticketmaster ($11 "convenience fee" for my two LA DT show tickets. Thanks). What ever happened to this band anyway?
> > More grunge - I'd put Alice in Chains/Dirt in the top > ten (maybe #3?). I would also include Facelift in > there somewhere.
I included the AiC disc that I liked best. But they're all pretty good. I don't really think the grunge tag applies to them, now that I think about it, but I guess they got lumped into that whole thing just because they were from Seattle.
> > Tool - Gotta have 'em. Dave did.
This is a band that will be an influence on the music of this decade. You're already hearing it in some stuff.
> > White Zombie - I would have to rate "La Sexorcisto" as > the definitive Zombie disc. Just a preference I guess.
My problem with "La Sexorcisto" is that it all starts to sound the same after awhile. Astro Creep seems a lot more varied, with better songwriting. Too bad this band broke up.
> > DT/Awake - You suck! Why isn't this number 1! ;o)
Because I'm evil?
Brian then comments on stuff he thinks should be included:
> > The Black CrowesThe Counting Crowes
Gah! Almost nothing gets me to turn off the radio faster than these two bands. Their music really irritates me. I'm not much of a Stones fan, which is probably why I don't like these bands either. There's a rule in this house: nothing with the word "crow" in it (Counting, Black or Sheryl).
> > Snoop Doggy Dog/Doggystyle
I can appreciate the talent that it takes to make a rap record, but at the same time like other genres (Top 40, Country, Opera) it does absolutely nothing for me, so I just don't listen to it. Unlike some folks, I'm not mortally offended if people like music that I don't.
> > Korn - Let's combine Metallica with rap, and this was > a major force. Love it or hate it, they were a big > player in the 90's. Anthrax saw the future and tried > to mix rap and metal, but they were too far ahead of > the times. Korn was the fruition of the style. Let the > clones follow the leader.
I'll agree that they were a big band of the '90's and that they spawned many imitators, but their music just bores me. It really all sounds the same to me. Of course, a lot of folks would probably say the same thing about a lot of the music I listen to, so perhaps this is one of those things I just don't get.
As an aside, I've not been impressed with any Kid Rock songs I've heard on the radio, but he kicked ass live on Stern the other morning. Maybe he's a better live act than the studio would indicate.
> > Fear Factory - I would have to include Obsolete. Hell, > it's even a concept album.
I have this. I've only listened to it a couple of times. Good but not great in my opinion.
> > my $.02, BH > > p.s. Thanks to Dave for the list...
And thanks for your comments. This is the kind of discussion I had hoped it would spawn. Sure beats the usual "this sucks/does not/you suck" style of music discussion that seems to clog the net (especially Usenet).
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Top 90 Replies Message-ID: <20000125072703.6120.qmail@web502.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com> wrote: > While 10 was easily the best PJ CD, I'm still not > overly fond of it.
I'm not either. I *love* Pearl Jam and everything, but this CD is way overrated.
> I'll agree with your > comment, though, that it was all down hill from > there.
An opinion, and one that I do not agree with. IMHO, it was all uphill from there.
> I probably should have included them just > because of their stand against Ticketmaster ($11 > "convenience fee" for my two LA DT show tickets. > Thanks). What ever happened to this band anyway?
They're together. They took most of '99 off, playing the occasional odd gig with Neil Finn, C Average and The Who. They're readying a new CD for release as we speak. If you didn't listen to their Yield CD (from '98), I recommend it. It's better than anything they ever released before IMHO. And as far as TicketMonster goes, you can't say Eddie didn't warn you. Their '98 tour in support of Yield was absolutely magnificent. A dream come true for a PJ fan.
===== *Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue. People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes. There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead. Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them. So I try to forget them anyway I can." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:03:11 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Top 90 Replies Message-ID: <002001bf670a$a3628560$6b0d84d0@default>
> I'm not either. I *love* Pearl Jam and everything, > but this CD is way overrated.
LOL. You're one of the only people I've ever heard state this this way. Odd. :) My thing is, I >love< Ten. If I made a top ten list of the best albums >ever< it'd be in there. It was that album that got me serious into music. That and Temple of the Dog. both fuckin great albums, imo. I consider TotD to be a required purchase for anyone who loved Ten.
What's all backwards is I consider them to have declined since Ten, and I know all too many people who feel the same way. It's like they said "fuck fame" and went underground. A pity. I was sympathetic enough to buy Yield just to see if they'd changed their ways and ended up giving it the coaster award. I can't pin down the feeling I get when I hear current PJ shit. The closest term I can pin to it is "wimpy." Not like ballady shit, just that the songs are so flimsy that listening to them makes me want to part my butt cheeks.
But that disc somehow keeps my coffee warm, so I can't complain. :) -- KorgX3 parts his poofter and lets out a little ripper. NP: Chris and Johnny - Boulder River.mp3 (Korg's favorite song of all time)
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:49:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Christmas CD Message-ID: <4985d9c5bdgraham@picsel.com>
ReSent-From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> ReSent-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
My Christmas CD arrived. I no longer feel quite so bitter about one of my "hard to come by" DT CDs being stolen a few years ago. :-)
It's also the first time I've actually heard [CENSORED]. Damn, I wish they'd have put it one one of the albums . . .
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:37:42 +0100 From: "Jordi Torras" <Syrinx@teleline.es> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Angra Acoustic Set? Message-ID: <001c01bf6724$0040e600$cb06523e@syrinx>
Janne Jokitalo wrote:
>My copy didn't, I don't have it here so I can't confirn this, but I recall that >it had different remixes of the songs: Queen of The Night, Deep Blue, Painkiller >and one other.
Yep, Freedom Call, Queen of the Night (remixed), Reaching Horizons, Stand Away (orchestral), Painkiller and Deep Blue (edit). That's the european version.
>Another thing that's been on my mind about Angra, is that one guy on Epigram >he loved the Holy Land bonus track Queen of The Night. Anyone else who has >this kind of version ? Mine didn't...
It was included in the "Holy Land" japanese version. I have the "Holy Land" 2CD-book, which contains that japanese versio and the 3 tracks from the acoustic concert.
Regards
Jordi Torras Syrinx@teleline.es
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