YTSEJAM Digest 5533
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Megadeth Without Marty
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
2) Re: 80s cartoons
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
3) Home stereo help
by "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
4) Re: 80s Cartoons
by "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." <jeremysw@umd5.umd.edu>
5) Savatage
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) King's X
by IAmClay777@aol.com
7) Mexico Dates
by "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5532
by Cluck42@aol.com
9) Knight Rider Fan Club
by "Ricardo Testa" <ricardotesta@hotmail.com>
10) Re: Savatage
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Re: Mexico Dates
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
12) Re:Toys and Cartoons
by EvoReaper@aol.com
13) Re: Broadening you horizons?
by "Marko Randjelovic" <truki@EUnet.yu>
14) x
by Pam Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
15) Re: Savatage
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) RE: Mexico Dates
by "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:29:32 -0300
From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Megadeth Without Marty
Message-ID: <797B9007DB054D11DAED00807CFDCB89@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I've read a couple of articles regarding this issue... One was about
Marty, and how he'd gotten sick of playing heavy metal, and since he
was getting more and more into pop music and bands like Garbage (he
mentioned others, but Garbage's the only one I remember), he felt like
recording a pop-oriented album, with songs that would appeal to more
people (that is, that would sell more records) than the stuff he did
with Megadeth... And he said that if people considered that
selling out, so be it... That was the reason he gave for leaving
Megadeth...
The second was with Dave, and he said the reason why the band did an
album like "Risk" was to try and "break the barrier that the music
industry presents to those bands who don't sound like Hanson" (that's
not the exact quote, I'm retranslating that)... And as they didn't
reach their goal, the new album will be similar to RIP and their old
stuff, more agressive and heavier... He also says Al has fit perfectly
into the band, that they have already finished recording 8 tracks,
that other 6 are on the way, and that the guitar work is very good...
Both of them mentioned that Marty's exit of the band was friendly...
Cheers,
Adriano
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flush your mind right down
the drain"
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:33:29 -0400
From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: 80s cartoons
Message-ID: <3908EFA152154D11DADC0005B8E83179@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
> If you're talking cartoons, how can you not mention two of my own
> personal faves, M.A.S.K. and Centurions. MASK had the best toys.
How about the Inhumanoids? THOSE were some kick ass toys! There
were 3 bad guys that had to be like, a foot tall. One was a plant
type guy, I think the 2nd was a volcanic-themed one, and (the best)
one had a cow's skull for his head, and you could open up his ribcage
to trap the good guys in.
GI Joe was classic. I remember I had the Cobra base (anyone remember
the movie with Sargent Slaughter? They also fucked up Cobra
Commander and made him turn into a giant snake). And who could
forget DINO RIDERS! The huge T Rex with all these cool missle
launchers on it...ahhh brings me back to my pre-adolecent days :-).
Wile I'm on a roll, anyone remember Captain N? It was made up of
various Nintendo characters, and starred the aformentioned Captain,
with his pet dog, Duke, and a Nintendo controller strapped to his
belt, and the Zapper gun for a weapon. Kid Icarus was on there, so
was Mega Man. The bad guys were Mother Brain (from Metroid), this
eggplant guy, and King Hippo from Punchout (another great game). The
Mario Bros. show with Captain Lou Albano as Mario was awsome too.
Matt
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:42:47 -0600
From: "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Home stereo help
Message-ID: <001401bfe540$03c0d520$bc598a80@fx1f00b>
I'm looking into buying a new home stereo, with a price ceiling of maybe
$1500 or so, and I was wondering if anyone with a particular interest in
this stuff (Al?) could e-mail me (at my private address) with
recommendations, advice, etc.
Thanks,
matt tedesco
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:47:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." <jeremysw@umd5.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: 80s Cartoons
Message-ID: <200007032247.SAA15780@holmes.umd.edu>
>Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:10:29 -0400
>From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
>Subject: Re: 80s Cartoons
>>
>>Peter David was a god on that comic.
>
>You should read it now. Paul Jenkins is doing some awesome work.
I do, as a matter of fact. Looking forward to his work on Spider-Man.
Check out some of Brian Michael Bendis' stuff: Powers, Sam &
Twitch. Great stuff.
Just like in music, there are some good/great comic books out there, you
just have to know where to look.
--Jeremy
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:13:38 -0500
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Savatage
Message-ID: <20000703201338.A16033@enteract.com>
> From: IAmClay777@aol.com
> said in a "Guitar World Inquirer" article from a little while ago that he
> didn't want to play in Megadeth anymore because he only felt nostalgia when
> playing the songs and didn't like the band's death and metal image anymore.
Which is understandable, considering that it's a really weird name
for a band that plays what they play. I understand people liking that
kind of catchy hard rock stuff... but they haven't been a particularly
heavy band... they've been getting lighter and lighter, but without making
the changes that are sort of required to make lighter music sound cool.
> He also stated that "Megadeth never made the commitment I wanted to being
> more mainstream"
As in "shit or get off the pot." They're in a no-man's land right
now. They are writing what was essentially a transitional form of metal,
from the late 80's thrash sound to what they feel could sell now. But
they're not going all the way. It's like they know they'd have to deal
with the same sellout comments that Metallica gets, but they know that
fewer people like Mustaine's voice than do Hettfield's. What I won't sit
back and deal with is people saying this is all Marty's fault. Look where
he came from. Hawaii, Cacophony, Dragon's Kiss... he was a really
psychotic player, with all manner of pointy "metal" guitars. He
knows how to write, play, and appreciate heavy music. Mustaine
himself made the comments about it being a business, and wanting to make
more money, and write more commercial tunes. He said that on MTV in an
interview on some farm in Phoenix.
And the thing isn't that they're writing lighter music. I love a
lot of music that's not remotely metal. I have several albums that I've
been embarrassed to hear played in elevators, store sound systems and "on
hold" music. The problem is that what they're writing now means so little
and it's stylistically weak. It's cool to disagree... I know I'm not
speaking for everyone... but to me it doesn't sound like there's ANY
effort being put into Megadeth albums. It's SO bland and boring. That's
never been Friedman.
> and that "They'll be able to make better Megadeth music
> without me." Interestingly enough, when asked who he thought was creating
> inspiring music, his answer was "Goo Goo Dolls, Garbage, and Fastball." I
> think we can safely arrive at the answer that yes, Marty was responsible for
> Megadeth's style changing (Although probably not solely him)
Why is it a big deal that a guy like Marty would be into a band
like Garbage? It's so sad when people are so pompous as to actually
believe in the Manowar motto of "if you're not into metal, you are not my
friend." Some of you would be in for a real life lesson if you saw what
some of your favorite musicians listen to.
And again, I defy you to tell me that a new member of Megadeth is
going to redirect the band. Friedman had about as much control over
Megadeth as I do. He was an employee, not a member of the board. As for
Megadeth making a heavier album, anything's possible. It's possible that
I may one day be a Cubs fan. But I'd recommend placing your bets
elsewhere.
> From: Magus12551@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Al in 'deth
>
> > Lastly, it's just plain SILLY to say "If he can play what he
> > played with Savatage, that RIP stuff will be a breeze." There isn't a
> > difficult Savatage song. It doesn't exist. Pitrelli is a good
>
> That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. I can understand if you'd
> sat that about never Savatage stuff, but what about the old stuff with Criss
> Oliva? one of the best metal guitarists ever! His solos were incredible!
> So don't say a difficult Savatage song "doesn't exist".
I will repeat it if you need me to. It sounds like you've got
prog syndrome. Repeat after me: "It's okay to like simple music. Music
doesn't have to be complex to be cool." Nothing Sav ever wrote is nearly
as challenging as RIP. I don't recall ever saying that I didn't love
Savatage since I was a little kid. I would say that IMO everything
they've done post Criss is crap, even though I know a lot of you love
it. That's cool. I don't mean to say that I'm some kind of
authority... listen to what grabs your ear, and why pay attention to what
someone else says about it. People who can't handle contradicting
opinions are likely people who are afraid to let a friend find out that
they own a Beastie Boys album or a Sarah McLachlan album.
> > player... I've been listening to him since the CPR collaboration on Guitar
> > for the Practicing Musician's label... but he doesn't have a SPARK of what
>
> That's also nonsense. Al may not be as good a player technically as Marty
> yet... but he's not far off. I doubt he'd have much trouble learning the
> techniques since Marty himself showed Al how. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a
> huge Al fan, but you're making Marty out to be a god and he ain't.
I'm not making Marty out to be a god. But I would have to say I
am at LEAST as on top of this subject as anyone else on the list. I've
been a Friedmaniac for 12 years. Friedman IS a genius player. I know
this. I have the music and the footage to back up my assertion. He is
absolutely a unique player. Pitrelli is a GREAT player, and does have
tons of chops. He will absolutely learn Marty's licks and play them
well. But he won't sound the same, and he would never have come up with
them on his own. Pitrelli is a working man's guitarist. SO many
guitarists try to sound like Friedman. I've never heard of anyone trying
to sound like Pitrelli. They've been out there about the same amount of
time. What's your explanation?
> > for the Practicing Musician's label... but he doesn't have a SPARK of what
> > Marty had... until Marty Friedman got on the $$$ bandwagon and started
> > playing pop music in a band named after a genocide-like million person
>
> That's BS. It's not like the band got all pop and he didn't like it so he
> left. I read an interview with him about his current tastes of music, and it
> was all POP CRAP... I mean MADONNA was on the list!!! C'mon!
Grow up. Pop does not automatically equate to crap. Furthermore,
I clearly stated that Friedman took the sell out route with the rest of
the band. What you need to realize is that just because it's metal does
not make it good, and just because it's not metal does not make it
bad. There is good and bad in every style of music. There is more
musicianship on some Madonna songs than on some Savatage songs. Great
players can make music that you don't like. That doesn't mean that it's
bad music and it doesn't mean that they're bad players. Janet Jackson had
a bassist that would TEAR Myung a new bunghole.
Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com
"Everything that can be invented has
been invented." -- Charles H. Duell,
Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:43:42 EDT
From: IAmClay777@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: King's X
Message-ID: <77.64625d6.26929b4e@aol.com>
It is pronounced King's X as in "ecks."
<< How do you pronounce King's X? Is the X pronounced "ecks"? I overheard
someone saying "King's Cross", referring to the band, and I wondered if
they were right. >>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:16:40 -0500
From: "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Mexico Dates
Message-ID: <003901bfe55d$e4f2cd60$340a64c0@compaq.net.mx>
Wednesday August 23 Houston, TX Aerial Theater
Thursday August 24 Dallas, TX Bronco Bowl
Saturday August 26 Mexico City, Mexico
Sunday August 27 Mexico City, Mexico
Wednesday August 30 New York City, NY Roseland
There are still a few more tour dates to come.
WHAT? No dates for Monterrey but yes to Mexico City?! GIMME A BREAK!!!!!!=
!
We are a fuckin extension of Texas!!! but those Texas dates are still a
little far away.
Just to let you know: Planet X (derek, macalpine and donati) and
Stratovarius are coming here on ssept. 3 but no DT? SHAME ON YOU! It=B4s =
time
you open your eyes and realize that South America (including Mexico) has =
an
equally good DT (or prog in general) following. Europe and Japan (and USA=
)
are not alone!!
Besides, aren=B4t you tired of touring the same cities? Diversity rules!
Extend your tour itinerary!
Mauricio
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:23:37 EDT
From: Cluck42@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5532
Message-ID: <f3.917d27.2692a4a9@aol.com>
does ANYONE know where i can get a guitar tab book of SFaM??? ive checked
everywhere, including amazon.com, and it seems to be "unavailable at this
time"...grrrrr..... any help would be great, thanks in advance.
rose
cluck42@aol.com
"A wrong note played timidly is a mistake. A wrong note played with
authority is an interpretation."
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Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:55:37 CEST
From: "Ricardo Testa" <ricardotesta@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Knight Rider Fan Club
Message-ID: <20000704025537.93688.qmail@hotmail.com>
Buck Hamner posted:
>Hi everyone,
>With all this talk of Knight Rider, I just figured I'd mention that I am in
>the Knight Rider fanclub. I'd recommend this to any Knight Rider fan.
Oh my God!! I thought I was the only Knight Rider fan club member here. It
is great knowing that I am not the only one! Any others out there?
>Members Only jacket that's 2 size too small!!! It's a great deal, folks!
My jacket fits just fine. I think they (the fan club) messed up your size.
Ciao,
Ricardo Testa
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:27:41 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Savatage
Message-ID: <002901bfe567$d5f13450$6d5892d0@korg>
*long, authorative, informative, tastes great, less filling(?), Chris
Ptacek post snipped*
One thing I think you always leave off on Marty's list of credentials,
Chris, are his latter solo works. Although I wasn't too fond of True
Obsession, I think Scenes and Introduction are the best two to point out
that Marty is and never has been "all about metal." His neo-classical
shred throughout alot of his older Cacophony and Dragon's Kiss works are
dazzling and aggressive enough to TKO Mike Tyson. And I think that stuff
in particular tends to (no offense) suck a rhino horn. Technically
brilliant, musically confusing enough to make Rosie O'Donnel join the NRA.
Scenes and Introduction, however, take you to that nice, warm grassy
meadow where the slender, playful, wooly sheep prance about you so
alluringly. You look around to make sure no one's watching before you
reach out and caress one until... um. They're just great albums. :)
-- KorgX3 reminds Chris to quit forgetting them.------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:40:29 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mexico Dates Message-ID: <39615CAD.AAD9922D@yunque.net>
Before i ask you to quit your fucking whining, how far is monterrey from mexico city? Can you drive there? can you go there without having to fly? Can you make the shows without having to spend at least a thousand bucks?! IF you can answer yes to any of these... QUIT YOUR FUCKING WHINING.. Its been said before..but DAMN its fucking annoying when someone whines because *Gasp* they may have to make a long drive to go see DT..
Mauricio Martinez wrote:
> WHAT? No dates for Monterrey but yes to Mexico City?! GIMME A BREAK!!!!!!= > ! > We are a fuckin extension of Texas!!! but those Texas dates are still a > little far away. > Just to let you know: Planet X (derek, macalpine and donati) and > Stratovarius are coming here on ssept. 3 but no DT? SHAME ON YOU! It=B4s = > time > you open your eyes and realize that South America (including Mexico) has = > an > equally good DT (or prog in general) following. Europe and Japan (and USA= > ) > are not alone!! > > Besides, aren=B4t you tired of touring the same cities? Diversity rules! > Extend your tour itinerary! > > Mauricio
--
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:14:16 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Toys and Cartoons Message-ID: <cb.742482a.2692dab8@aol.com>
Dude, Silverhawks and Thundercats were my world when I was younger. I remember the Silverhawks toys were made kind of cheaply, the arms always broke off. Silverhawks were pretty short lived, but Thundercats had a pretty big following, (they were on Cartoon Network last I knew, still could be....) I had a TON of Thundercats toys, wish I still had those. Then it was the Ninja Turtles...holy shit man, I never had so many toys of one context. I had EVERY item with a TMNT trademark. Blankets, toothbrush, cameras, weapons, boxers, EVERYTHING. I still have all 4 original toys. I have a shitload of Ninja Turtle stuff at my father's in NYC. Then Power Rangers came along and wiped out the Ninja Turtles, which really bummed me out. I bought the Power Ranger toys when they first came out, and they broke pretty easily as well. I still have a few of those....
Guitar Feedback:
The taps Steve and Joe are doing are harmonics, I'm guessing you saw the tap stuff Joe did in "Flying In The Blue Dream", he hits a note and sustains it with a harmonic, then it starts feeding back.
After "Answers", is a perfect example of how placement of the guitar can achieve feedback tones. Steve moves around the stage just sustaining feedback notes, he only flubs it once when the note doesn't change!
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:04:44 +0200 From: "Marko Randjelovic" <truki@EUnet.yu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Broadening you horizons? Message-ID: <01bfe59f$476dc440$LocalHost@king>
-----Original Message----- ]From: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Date: Monday, 03 July, 2000 20:51 Subject: Broadening you horizons?
| |> was all POP CRAP... I mean MADONNA was on the list!!! C'mon! | |Um... It's sounds like you're cookin' up a serious case of "FUCK YOU!" | |There's nothing wrong with Madonna. There's something called "broadening |the spectrum" which you might look into. Your first step would be to go |pick up a Pet Shop Boys CD, turn it sideways, and ram it right up your |candyass, jabroni. | |Oh, wait, that's "broadening the rectum," my bad. Instead, try listening |to said CD, yeah, that's it. ;) |-- |KorgX3 usually doesn't make stupid mistakes like that.
As long as they're not on purpose, huh? :)
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:12:14 -0500 From: Pam Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: x Message-ID: <l03020900b587bbe6fdba@[209.224.35.220]>
>How do you pronounce King's X? Is the X pronounced "ecks"? I overheard >someone saying "King's Cross", referring to the band, and I wondered if >they were right.
I have been a King X fan for years and have never heard them called King's cross.
Pam
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:03:40 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Savatage Message-ID: <200007041903.MAA06656@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Christopher Ptacek thus begged: > >> From: IAmClay777@aol.com >> said in a "Guitar World Inquirer" article from a little while ago that he >> didn't want to play in Megadeth anymore because he only felt nostalgia when >> playing the songs and didn't like the band's death and metal image anymore. > > Which is understandable, considering that it's a really weird name >for a band that plays what they play. I understand people liking that >kind of catchy hard rock stuff... but they haven't been a particularly >heavy band... they've been getting lighter and lighter, but without making >the changes that are sort of required to make lighter music sound cool.
[heavy trimming of post]
Why don't you just say it?? Megadeth is total shit now... :) Even total shit is still 100% better than Metallicrap though...
> >Chris Ptacek - someone@digitalrodent.com > "Everything that can be invented has > been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, > Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:44:04 -0500 From: "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Mexico Dates Message-ID: <00bf01bfe5f0$3992d8a0$340a64c0@compaq.net.mx>
Well my answer is NO. To all of those! So, i whine. By fucking whining theres a very slight chance that my situation changes. Better to try than= to stand there doing nothing. Monterrey to Mexico city: around 12 hours by car. Can=B4t drive there. I = would exceed the thousand bucks (or be close to it). I have already made 2 12 hour bus trips to see DT. But now i cant do it because of other obligations. So, if a Mexico city is included, i have to wonder why Monterrey is not.We are between Texas and Mexico city. Here ya go whiny boy, i hope to entertain you with this one. ----- Original Message ----- ]From: Carlos A. Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: Re: Mexico Dates
> > Before i ask you to quit your fucking whining, > how far is monterrey from mexico city? Can you drive there? can you go there > without having to fly? Can you make the shows without having to spend a= t least > a thousand bucks?! IF you can answer yes to any of these... QUIT YOUR FUCKING > WHINING.. > Its been said before..but DAMN its fucking annoying when someone whines > because *Gasp* they may have to make a long drive to go see DT.. > > > > Mauricio Martinez wrote: > > > WHAT? No dates for Monterrey but yes to Mexico City?! GIMME A BREAK!!!!!!=3D > > ! > > We are a fuckin extension of Texas!!! but those Texas dates are still= a > > little far away. > > Just to let you know: Planet X (derek, macalpine and donati) and > > Stratovarius are coming here on ssept. 3 but no DT? SHAME ON YOU! It=3D= B4s =3D > > time > > you open your eyes and realize that South America (including Mexico) = has =3D > > an > > equally good DT (or prog in general) following. Europe and Japan (and USA=3D > > ) > > are not alone!! > > > > Besides, aren=3DB4t you tired of touring the same cities? Diversity r= ules! > > Extend your tour itinerary! > > > > Mauricio > > -- > > > > Come into this night, Your plight alone > Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us > Come into this night, You only home > It=B4s never too late, To repent, suffer the loss > Opeth : Benighted > Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. > mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org > >
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