YTSEJAM Digest 5557
Today's Topics:
1) prog/macs
by Adrian K Tunggono <pluki7@indosat.net.id>
2) Power Macintosh G4 Cube
by Adrian K Tunggono <pluki7@indosat.net.id>
3) sig
by Adrian K Tunggono <pluki7@indosat.net.id>
4) Re: Where to buy tickets....
by EvoReaper@aol.com
5) Sigh... platform wars once again
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
6) Re: Dream Theater and Bon Jovi
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
7) Progmetal definitions
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
8) sfam tour mp3s
by cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr>
9) car stereos
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
10) ?
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
11) Re: Progmetal definitions
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
12) James' coolness
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
13) James can be a twaize.
by HadesRaze@aol.com
14) Re: James can be a twaize.
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
15) Re: James can be a twaize.
by "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5556
by Charlie Rules <shatorlie@icqmail.com>
17) Re: James can be a twaize.
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
18) Re: James can be a twaize.
by JamesAhab@aol.com
19) Roseland Ballroom
by davidtheliotis <wiggin@nac.net>
20) man, will this suck.....
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
21) Re: man, will this suck.....
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
22) "Through Her Eyes" sounds like...
by "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu>
23) Re: LaBrie
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
24) Re: Dream Theater and Bon Jovi
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
25) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5556
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
26) Re: James can be a twaize.
by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi>
27) Jp switching guitars
by welihozkiy <andy@dust.de>
28) More MS BS from DM...
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:12:25 +0700
From: Adrian K Tunggono <pluki7@indosat.net.id>
To: ~status seekers <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: prog/macs
Message-ID: <397AFD47.621D26D5@indosat.net.id>
When I first listened to Masters of Puppets I was in highschool, it was
1987 or so. 'This is how metal is supposed to sound like' is my reaction at
that time. I already liked Rush, so it crossed my mind that "Perhaps
this kind of music could be improved if one takes some of Rush's style
and mix it with Metallica's style, making a new style of music." Funny,
I used to call this idea "art metal" simply because to me Rush was art
rock and Metallica was, uhm, metal.
I've never heard the term progressive rock then, perhaps because I live
in Indonesia and it was Before World Wide Web. The only source of info
are students studying abroad, and with much inaccuracy or distortion.
When AJFA and Megadeths's Rust in Peace came out, I thought "Wow,
perhaps my idea of art metal is not so ridiculous after all." Then I
heard Death's Human, and Cynic's Focus, and was blown away. "This is art
metal!", I thought, smiling for days.
Then I discovered DT's IaW and got quite confused. "This is somewhere between
my idea of art metal and that band called Toto," I thought. Then I
discovered that they are called progressive metal. Hmm. Then I joined
Ytsejam and became more and more confused, he he he.
I used to hate computers back in high school. We were forced to learn
BASIC and D-BASE, and it was awful. I think I first use Windows around
92 or 93 and thought, "Wow, this is OK. Perhaps I could start to like
using computers now." A few months later I tried a Macintosh, and never
ever looked back since, he he he. I think it's not unlike music, we like
some, we hate some, and most of the times we simply don't give a fuck
about what else is available out there.
-- pluki7-4290051-8498006"Ma I erofereht, etacinrof I."
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:16:08 +0700 From: Adrian K Tunggono <pluki7@indosat.net.id> To: ~status seekers <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Power Macintosh G4 Cube Message-ID: <397AFE24.68CDF09E@indosat.net.id>
by the way, has anyone else seen the new G4 Cube? now that is cool! http://www.apple.com/powermaccube/ -- pluki7-4290051-8498006
"Ma I erofereht, etacinrof I."
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:28:38 +0700 From: Adrian K Tunggono <pluki7@indosat.net.id> To: ~status seekers <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: sig Message-ID: <397B0113.DCEC76DD@indosat.net.id>
to Kurt or Al or anyone else who'd like a new signature, here's a good one:
> ...I thought PROG fans were open-minded?
-from Chris Elder in digest 5556
-- pluki7-4290051-8498006
"Ma I erofereht, etacinrof I."
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:32:15 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Where to buy tickets.... Message-ID: <79.735cea7.26ac5bef@aol.com>
Tickets for the Worcester, MA show can be purchased at any Strawberry's music. Tickets for the Roseland Ballroom show can be picked up at Irving Plaza and ticketmaster locations.
I dunno bout Connect, that's the show I won't be attending.
My thoughts on DT's keyboardist(s).
Jordan is by far, my favorite. Incredible talent, I think his music fits in with the band like a new pair of shoes. It all seems to match like a jigsaw puzzle. There is not one spot on SFAM where I think, "I'd play something different there.....if I were him."
Derek is also great, and I think where DT was on FII and the tour, he fit in well. He did have the whole rockstar thing down, which is funny, because you watch a show from the Awake tour, and he looks like death just warmed over. (5 Years In A Livetime Awake tour clips.....).
Kevin was absolutely wonderful in the band, I wouldn't complain if he would have stayed.
Wasn't this topic banned?
Andy
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:52:54 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Sigh... platform wars once again Message-ID: <p04320403b5a0b19b939e@[192.168.1.1]>
>That's about all I have to say. Take it with a grain of salt.
And that was all *I* had to say, but people always jump on this one... (and BTW, people, get your facts straight!).
Ok, more clearly: Use whatever you like best and whatever suits your needs. I use MacOS and a Unix variant (NetBSD) since I get everything I need there. If you need some software that's Windows only, get a PC. Just leave me alone with your problems then, please! That's all ;-)
And now remember that this is the DT mailing list.
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:49:45 EDT From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater and Bon Jovi Message-ID: <LAW2-F2655b6KZmcK8r000018a5@hotmail.com>
>I am currently listening to "Scenes From A Memory". "Through Her Eyes" to >be exact and I took a notice that the song sounds a lot like Bon Jovi's >"Never Say Goodbye". Has anyone else notice this or agree with this?
I was listening to SfaM at work one day, and one of the guys there started singing NSG over it. But then again, he was a Mac user (it's a joke, no flames!). ;)
Kevin
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:01:28 -0700 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Progmetal definitions Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000723114117.00affcb0@cs.millersville.edu>
Chris Elder wrote:
>Am I the only one following this? What everyone is trying to say but >missing it is that prog-ROCK has been around since the 70's. Enter Rush, >King Crimson et. all. > >prog-METAL was born in the 80's, Queensryche and Dream Theater. > >I'm no expert on the subject, I am just trying to clarify the arguments. >Does this sound about right?
Yep, aside from the fact that Queensryche may or may not belong to the genre if you want to be picky about it. People are listing the oldschool progrock bands like King Crimson because they directly influenced bands that were later to create progmetal. Since Dream Theater is a progmetal band, and not a progrock band, it sort of defeats the purpose of arguments of that nature.
Chris "D-Man" Merlo put Metallica's "And Justice For All..." album up on the definition chopping block. He's right, it does have most of the elements that are 'required' for membership into the progmetal category. BUT, there is another method of categorization that takes precedence in many instances. That's categorization by past-association. If a band was previously lumped into another category, it takes a lot of doing to get them *out* of said category. Metallica, from the get-go, was a thrash-metal band. They became more progressive, but they were still a thrash-metal band to the world, and would have continued to be unless they totally (and I mean totally) overhauled their sound, which they didn't. Not in the '80s at any rate. (Even the '90s version of Metallica is still generally considered to be thrash-metal...or various four-letter words...)
Of course, it could also be argued that Metallica was never a progmetal band because they abstained from puffy silk pirate shirts.
Brian
[NP...Cathedral -- Supernatural Birth Machine]
============================================== WB Henderson [wbhender@cs.millersville.edu] Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com ==============================================
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:00:07 +0300 From: cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: sfam tour mp3s Message-ID: <397B1686.54F78859@x-treme.gr>
> >www.dreamtheater.mit.edu >Didn't work...any other suggestions?
The url is http://dreamtheater.mit.edu You need to register first.It has at least 2 shows from the met2 tour(last time i checked that is). You can also try http://xanadu.dyn.ns1.net/ Though i haven't checked that last one.
BTW,is Adam Pye's live ftp server up now? I recall it went down sometime in December or November.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:05:08 EDT From: DoubleJay54@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: car stereos Message-ID: <c1.5598c37.26ac7fc4@aol.com>
hey, i just bought a new car and i want to put a really nice system in it. I know a good amount about sound equipment, but almost nothing about car audio. I really don't know what to look for as far as stuff for a car. Anyways, i was wondering if anyone knows what i should get, or has any ides, keep in mind im a total sound freak and money is no object. Thanks in advance, JJ
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:16:22 EDT From: DoubleJay54@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ? Message-ID: <97.8810e3d.26ac8266@aol.com>
<< Hey guys, something interesting I just picked up within the last month is a leatherbound version, containing all 5 parts of the trilogy - unabridged! >> Hey, I'll probally sond like an idiot for this, but what is this book, i have never heard of it before some of you guys started talking about it, and it sounds pretty good
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:33:22 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Progmetal definitions Message-ID: <002301bff4cc$1a716cd0$90252ac4@mukau>
]From: "WB Henderson" <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu> Subject: Progmetal definitions
> Of course, it could also be argued that Metallica was never a progmetal > band because they abstained from puffy silk pirate shirts.
and i havent heard a single metallica song about tungsten.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:34:02 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: James' coolness Message-ID: <20000723.133551.-89201.4.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Well, I think all his dorky comments on stage are his twisted sense of humor. The earlier years (IAW) he wasn't that good at working the crowd (as evident in LIT and the other early boots) From about Awake or ACOS he became an awesome frontman, with a big stage presence. I think a lot of it comes from his Canadian accent, he talks like Terrence and Phillip from South Park. I am watching a video I just got from the euro-fix for 97, in Milan Italy and he is doing an awesome job.
Kurt
"Hey I got a new Signature now" me after reading ytsejam 5555
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:47:30 EDT From: HadesRaze@aol.com To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: James can be a twaize. Message-ID: <200007231851.LAA12186@fugazi.torchsong.com>
<<but just out of curiosity, why is he an asshole? i dont know if you meant in the music sense, meaning he is a bad musician, or in the sense that he is an asshole as a person...>>
Well, you'd Have to observe how he reacts to the crowd and the band in certain situations. FOr instance, at the Palace during the concert that was shut down due to the overbooking--where was he? He heard about it--so he left, while the rest of the band remained on stage out of love for their fans. I allso recall him mouthing off to a member of the audience--Japan '95, aka "Mind Control", and I quote, "Study the language before you speak to me." Sure, the guy in the audience may have been yelling, but that's no excuse to act like that towards your fans. When they played here in Minnesota last, (Feb 11th) James was getting pretty heated with Portnoy because he made a mistake twice during his backup vocals.
::shrug:: maybe it's my opinion, but hey--he's a jerk compared to the rest of the band.
<<so what if he's old? hes awesome! ;o) >> <<God knows that's the most important aspect of a band...age differences. This is probably why DT isn't "making it" in commercial sales - obviously these guys don't know about the age rule, otherwise they never would've messed up by working with Tony Levin, either.>>
Au contraire, age does make a difference. Eleven years means that when they're fifty he'll be sixty...You don't want the band to die in pieces. Look at Genesis now.
Just sticking up for my outnumbered self, you guys. =)
And ACoS was the first thing that Derek recorded with the band. And he certainly wasn't copying Moore's tab note for note through that.
'the late' Lee R. Brenn
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:24:40 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: James can be a twaize. Message-ID: <397B4678.60885A70@yunque.net>
HadesRaze@aol.com wrote:
> Well, you'd Have to observe how he reacts to the crowd and the band in certain situations. FOr instance, at the Palace during the concert that was shut down due to the overbooking--where was he? He heard about it--so he left, while the rest of the band remained on stage out of love for their fans.
Do you know *why* he left the stage? No one knows the reason why..unless you were him, or talked to him about it...aside from that its just speculation.
> I also recall him mouthing off to a member of the audience--Japan '95, aka "Mind Control", and I quote, "Study the language before you speak to me."
AFAIK, the actual quote was, "let me study the language before you talk to me". A silly quote, yes, but no nearly as prejudiced or asshole-like.
My friend went to see the band in NY earlier this year, and he and his friends all concurred that James was the nicest person there, aside from Rod Morgenstein who was there too... Sure there are different stories, but i just wanted to point out a few things..
> > And ACoS was the first thing that Derek recorded with the band. And he certainly wasn't copying Moore's tab note for note through that. > >
I think im one of the few people who actually prefer Dereks version of Acos than any other version with Kev...
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:30:22 CDT From: "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: James can be a twaize. Message-ID: <20000723193022.78010.qmail@hotmail.com>
Jam.
>>I also recall him mouthing off to a member of the audience-->>Japan '95, >>aka "Mind Control", and I quote, "Study the language >>before you speak to >>me."
I believe you have mis-quoted James here. I believe he said, "Let me study the language before you speak to me." He was basically implying that he didn't understand Japanese.
If you're gonna quote someone at least get it right.
peace sacredjade
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Date: 23 Jul 2000 12:33:30 -0700 From: Charlie Rules <shatorlie@icqmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5556 Message-ID: <20000723193330.6820.cpmta@c005.sfo.cp.net>
I want to unsuscribe YTSEJAM
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:04:48 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: James can be a twaize. Message-ID: <397B5DF0.FBA0D14@ivorygate.com>
HadesRaze@aol.com wrote: > > FOr instance, at the Palace during the concert that was shut down due to the >overbooking--where was he? He heard about it--so he left, while the rest of the band >remained on stage out of love for their fans. This is the perception that many people had that night and it is unfortunate for James that people think that. The way it went down (I talked to some of the band members, including James, after the show that night) was this: The club guy and/or fire marshall told Mike P. before the show that they would have to end the night early (due to too many people on the main floor, or too many people on the stairs, or some BS like that). He said no way, they were going to play their full set like planned, period. (Probably in much livelier language than that though ;-). I don't think James even knew about this situation before they took the stage. At about 9:30 when James went off stage during an instrumental break, the club's security detained him and prevented him from retaking the stage. I guess they figured that without the lead singer the rest of the band would exit as well. But as you know they didn't. Trust you me, James and the rest of the band were really pissed at the situation, but James couldn't retake the stage because the club physically blocked him from doing so. I've spoken to James a few times after shows and what not, and he has always been more than nice to me and every one else in the room. He's also quite funny (the second night of shows at the Palace went off well and after the concert the club was reopened for a dance party...James had some pretty comments about all the guys in the "big pants" now invading the club. ;-)
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:39:47 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: James can be a twaize. Message-ID: <4a.88de793.26acc023@aol.com>
>< Well, you'd Have to observe how he reacts to the crowd and the band in certain situations. FOr instance, at the Palace during the concert that was shut down due to the overbooking--where was he? He heard about it--so he left, while the rest of the band remained on stage out of love for their fans. I also recall him mouthing off to a member of the audience--Japan '95, aka "Mind Control", and I quote, "Study the language before you speak to me." Sure, the guy in the audience may have been yelling, but that's no excuse to act like that towards your fans...he's a jerk compared to the rest of the band. ><
Okay, you're calling him a jerk and an asshole, but you're the asshole who has his information completely fucked up.
Firstly, he left the stage during a long instrumental break, like he has always done for the last 10 years.
Secondly, the quote wasn't "Study the language before you talk me" which makes him sound the jerk you want him to be. The quote was, after a fan yelled something in Japanese: "Let me study the language before I talk to you." Get your facts straight before calling anyone an asshole.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:03:30 -0400 From: davidtheliotis <wiggin@nac.net> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Roseland Ballroom Message-ID: <397BA3F2.27F63845@nac.net>
Hello everyone,
i Was just wondering if one of you could eMail me privately and tell me a little bit about the roseland Ballroom. I noticed that there is no option to choose your secion at ticketbastard.com and i was wondering what the place was like.
Please email me privately as i'm on vaction for this week and am unsubscribed from the jam.
Thanks, david wiggin@nac.net
-- David Heliotis Breathe AIM: WigginKR Breathe in the air ICQ: 4727603 Don't be afraid to care
BE the force! http://users.nac.net/wiggin --
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:40:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: man, will this suck..... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000723222357.10217A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
i just found out that OFB will not be playing SFAM in it's entirety at all the venues for their brief 2nd run-thru of the U.S.....they're only playing it at the venues that they didn't get to the first time around. what the hell is up with that?! granted, i'm sure that they're probably sick & tired of playing it over and over and over and over again. but what about the fans who couldn't see them the first time through who thought that they had missed their only chance to witness SFAM. enter your's truly. i thought that i wasn't going to get a shot at seeing them tour the new album, but when i found out that they were coming back through for a month, i couldn't believe my luck. now i find out that there's a chance that they're not even going to perform the damn thing! now, the article said that they were only going to play it at venues that they didn't make it to the first time. does anyone know if they made it to philly the first time through? if they didn't, then there's a chance that i still might get to experience M:2. don't get me wrong: i'm going to love seeing them perform whatever the hell the feel like. it'll just be a bit of a let-down if they choose to not perform IMHO their greatest work to-date. does anyone else who missed the 1st leg of the tour, but is going to see them this time feel the same way? i'm ecstatic to see them, but at the same time feel a little bit cheated. oh well, c'est la vie....
-eric
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:00:02 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: man, will this suck..... Message-ID: <001601bff51b$4d387150$540d84d0@korg>
> to see them this time feel the same way? i'm ecstatic to see them, but > the same time feel a little bit cheated. oh well, c'est la vie....
Jeez, I dunno. If I went to see them in February at the SLC venue and they came back and played the exact same thing they did before, I'd feel cheated. You missed out and should have seen the the first time, bro. I hope that if the WWF rolls around twice in a year to your area you don't expect them to have the exact same matches because you missed the first one that year. :p -- KorgX3 feels satisfied with the example, fumbles, and shoots a 3-pointer.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: "Through Her Eyes" sounds like... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10007232300190.3017-100000@andante>
I think the melody of the verses for "Through Her Eyes" sounds like that of Don Henley's "The End of the Innocence." Scary, eh? By the way, speaking of Bon Jovi, does anyone on here think that their new song, "It's My Life," sounds like a cross between "Living on A Prayer" and "Larger Than Life" by the Backstreet Boys?
Electronically, Dom
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:31:57 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: LaBrie Message-ID: <007b01bff530$7c143e40$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
>when i met james, >he was literally one of the nicest people id ever talked to
I agree. James was VERY cool to me when I met him a few years ago on the FII tour. He was definitely the friendliest of the guys in the band, actually (I met them all excpet Myung), and spent by far the most time chatting with me.
- Joe D.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:03:10 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Dream Theater and Bon Jovi Message-ID: <001501bff534$db1d53a0$c93836cb@user>
> >I am currently listening to "Scenes From A Memory". "Through Her Eyes" to > >be exact and I took a notice that the song sounds a lot like Bon Jovi's > >"Never Say Goodbye". Has anyone else notice this or agree with this?
Actually there is a song on the first Blue Murder album which is almost identical in melody to Never Say Goodbye, the title of the song escapes me but it is definately un-mistakable!!!! A great album to BTW.
N.P:- Lacuna Coil - "In A Reverie"
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:50:50 +1000 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5556 Message-ID: <397BE74A.DE107D06@alphalink.com.au>
Im sorry for offending you so much Dr Teeth, I had no idea you felt that strongly about such matters. You see, son, when many of us post to the internet our time is limited, due to other commitments, and so we say things that in a formal document would not be entirely acceptable. So I am sorry if part of my message insults you in some way, but I do not know how you can make a correlation between it and my sex life.
Secondly, the purpose of a debate is to establish things that are right and things that are wrong. In the subject of musical classifications, there are actually certain statements that are true and certain statements that are false (as well as some which are based on opinion). Now when I see someone making a false statement, which I believe to be false, then I might say "No, you're wrong" and attempt to show by logical argument, why they are wrong. I assume that most people will realise that what I am saying is only based on my own experience, and not through some divine knowledge; furthermore, because I like to have oral sex with men's arses, I therefore neglect to make it completely obvious for the mentally-challenged, that yes, this is all in my own opinion, and that it is not god speaking through me.
Normally when I read a message that starts off calling me an ass-munch, I don't even bother to read the rest because I know its just going to be some guy with period pain or something, but just this once I decided to check my theory. But it wont happen again (ie. don't bother replying).
>There are few things that piss me off more than "musical know-it-alls". For
> example, this ass-munch... Check out how he begins his message: > > >From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> > >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > >Subject: musical classifications > > > >No, you're wrong. Prog-metal was a label invented by music shops and... > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Jesus Christ, Mike - the topic is "Musical classifications"!!! There is no > "right or wrong" when it comes to this stuff. Feel free to serve us with your > opinion, but don't go spouting off about what EXACTLY entails a genre. There > is as much grey area in musical genres as there is grey stuff on your tongue. > Also, you didn't mention who you're referring to, so in effect, you've just > called the entire mailing list "wrong". > > To many people, when you start a message out with "No, you're wrong" often they > won't bother to even read the rest of it because a person with enough gall to > say such a thing (when talking about music genres) also usually doesn't have a > clue as to what he's saying. > > Dude, all I'm saying is throw in a "The way I see it..." or a simple "IMHO". > Oh wait - lemme guess - you don't know what that means. It means "In My Humble > Opinion". I have to remember that there are some people out there who are > incapable of distinguishing their mere opinion from an absolute fact. > > Don't get me wrong - there are certainly "rights and wrongs" in this world and > an e-mail starting out with the words "No, you're wrong" would be certainly > appropriate in many arenas. Music classification is NOT one of them. > > Get off my planet, Mike. > > - Dr. Teeth > > P.S. Consider my buttons "pushed".
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:25:47 +0300 From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: James can be a twaize. Message-ID: <005e01bff562$290a3c40$74e126d4@pentium>
Dream Theater was in Helsinki, Finland last March, starting the European tour. The night before the concert, they had just flown in, were dead tired and had to hold an autograph signing at a local record store. After the signing, they hanged out a bit in the store, before retiring to the hotel. They were all VERY tired, but I managed to get a little chat and some photos with each of them. LaBrie, while being tired too, was the friendliest of the bunch - he chatted with me and a friend of mine for almost 10 minutes, while the others just said a couple of quick comments and resumed their store-browsing. I know the others are really nice towards fans when they've slept enough, but on this occasion James definitely was the least asshole-ish.
-WT- NP: Tunnelvision - While the World Awaits (http://www.tunnelvision.org)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:07:00 +0200 From: welihozkiy <andy@dust.de> To: themirror@egroups.com, ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Jp switching guitars Message-ID: <397C2354.54329F85@dust.de>
Hey guys,
I've tried to post this a couple times but it never seemed to go through... I heard/read a couple months back (maybe more) that JP was going to/or did switch from Ibanez to Ernieball guitars....
Anybody know any details as to why?
andy
-- Andy Welihozkiy Animator andy@dust.de Stardust Entertainment Filmproduktion GmbH & Co. KG Berliner Strasse 89 14467 Potsdam Germany Fon: +49 331 28 15 0 Fax: +49 331 28 15 111
"And that goes for the lot of you. No one escapse from Tweedy's farm!"
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:46:19 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: More MS BS from DM... Message-ID: <397C1E7B.1ED01C9B@isd.net>
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:27:57 -0500 > From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> > Subject: I'm still alive! > > Windows certainly isn't perfect, but most people's problems can be blamed > on unstable hardware or poor Windows management skills. If you're one of > those clowns that downloads and installs every application under the sun just > to try them out... And winds up relying on the uninstall to clean up the > droppings, you deserve to have trouble.
Digital Man wrote: [If I spend $100 or whatever on an operating system, I don't deserve [trouble. If I don't get to see the source for the OS, I deserve a [damned solid product, because I can't fix it.
[Of course, if I actually spend money on an "operating system" designed [around the concept of a registry, I deserve uninstall problems. [That's the punishment for being a sheep.
[Say it with me, big Al. Most people's problems can be blamed on the [fact that Microsoft doesn't give a shit about you once the check [clears. That, and the fact that nervous technology managers, who [don't know the first god-damned thing about technology, buy up [Microsoft shit because they can buy a highway-robbery service contract [with it, thereby removing their own heads from the chopping block, and [inflating MS's market share figures.
I'm sorry, did you say something? <Snicker> I'm with Korg on this one...
[Argh. Now I'm all agitated. I need to go to Al's house and listen to [WDADU on his stereo. Where do you live, Al?
Minnesota! And perhaps I could persuade you to upgrade your DT selection to Awake... A much better recording.
No sound is sweeter then that of twenty-eight voice coils singing their little hearts out!!! Perhaps I could enlighten *Digital Man* with some good 'ol fashion analog... You're bringing girls, right?
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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