YTSEJAM Digest 5555
Today's Topics:
1) Music OS
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
2) COmputer discussions...
by welihozkiy <andy@dust.de>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554
by IAmClay777@aol.com
4) Re: COmputer discussions...
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
5) Derek!
by HadesRaze@aol.com
6) Re: Computers: Mac vs. PC
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
7) Galactic Cowboys
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
8) Kings X / DT BOOTS
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) two issues, yes kansask show and roseland
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
11) Re: Late James in Consert
by "J?rgen C. Bakken" <easy2beat@hotmail.com>
12) CANADIAN TRAGEDY
by Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554
by Fett2002@aol.com
14) more mac stuff :P
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554
by CeaSerin@aol.com
16) musical classifications
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
17) three days to a more righteous angle
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554
by "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu>
19) Frank Zappa
by cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr>
20) Re: Frank Zappa
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
21) Re: Douglas Adams
by "Marko Randjelovic" <truki@EUnet.yu>
22) Re: HoB's DT Clips
by "Marko Randjelovic" <truki@EUnet.yu>
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:17:36 EDT
From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Music OS
Message-ID: <LAW2-F215HPVjKP79pH00000855@hotmail.com>
I figured I'd throw in my opinion on this topic, since it's what I do for a
living.
When computers first got used for making music, it was mostly MIDI
sequencers on Atari and Amiga systems. When the Macintosh came out, there
was a deal with Kurtzweil to help push them as the new music platform (if
you look at an old K250, the slant on the back fits perfectly with the slant
on the bottem of the old macs). Studios started using macs because the
graphical interface was easier to use. IBM compatible systems were mostly
used for buisness, and nobody made music software for them until the late
80s. When Pro Tools came out and introduced multi-track digital audio
recording, it was designed for a mac, because that's what the target market
had. But it wasn't actually the mac doing the work, it was the Pro Tools
hardware. Now you can use Pro Tools with a mac or with Windows 98 or NT4.
When Windows 95 came out, it had better integrated multimedia support, and
it finally made the PC platform capable of doing high end digital audio
multitracking.
Currently Windows and BeOS are the only OSs to have the multimedia support
as part of the operating system. With a mac, you need 3rd party software
(ASIO, OMS, etc), and as stable as Linux is, the multimedia support is
really lacking. BeOS looks like the best OS for music so far, but there's
no real software for it yet, so it won't do any good to use it yet.
Last February at winter NAMM, representatives from Microsoft met with all of
the Windows music software developers and came up with the plans for DirectX
8.0 which should be out this fall, and also the new WDM standard which will
allow music software and soundcard drivers to bypass the OS all together and
make latency almost non existant (lower than some rackmount digital
processors).
If you're planning on putting together a computer music system, I'd suggest
waiting until late fall.
kevin
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:32:12 +0200
From: welihozkiy <andy@dust.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: COmputer discussions...
Message-ID: <39785EEC.8D082C13@dust.de>
Guys,
There are many a mailing list for this PC vs. Mac BS......go use one.
You'll never make PC lovers like Macs and vice versa, get over it.
People use what they're comfortable with and favor. End of story.
Move on.....
andy
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:10:31 EDT
From: IAmClay777@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554
Message-ID: <44.5a782d9.26a9c1e7@aol.com>
<< But Tool,i can't really say.
Maybe progressive as composers but not as actual music players.
Their music lacks the technicallity that charectirizes most
current prog bands.Unless this was never an actual element of
the spoken genre in the first place.
Could one say that Tool is pop?Radiohead is considered to be pop
and they're both similarly unlike to anything other
i've heard in the last decade (very subjective here). >>
Keep in mind that the first band ever labeled "prog" was King Crimson in
1969. OK, everybody touts KC like they're some kind of technical miracle,
but, aside from the fact that Fripp's playing is indeed totally imacculate
(While at the same time emotive), I don't think the KC stuff from the 70s
really shows any great technics most of the time... A lot of it, like Tool,
is about creating a soundscape, sort of a mood orchestrated by instruments to
draw in the listener. Consider the improv "The Fright Watch" from the live CD
"Night Watch." This song is not at all technically difficult (OK, so there's
a shredding bass solo at the end, but even that's not too hard), and doesn't
even make much compositional sense, but the whole song is an incredibly
powerful mood.
Keep in mind also that Fripp hated the 'prog' tag because it started being
applied to Yes, ELP, etc., who he thought were just arrogant, pompous idiots.
I think prog has a lot more to do with creating something that hasn't been
done before-A la Mr. Bungle-And making it into a successful and commercially
viable artwork (Remember that KC was a pretty popular band in its heyday).
Thus, under these circumstances, we could call Tool prog. But you're right,
if you judge based on technicality, they are not.
More importantly, could you call A Perfect Circle prog? I certainly see a lot
of elements of prog in there, like constantly changing riffs... And Paz has
great ass... Err, off topic, but anyway, what do you guys think?
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:23:32 -0400
From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: COmputer discussions...
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000721112226.00b57360@pop.ecosoft.com>
I don't want to add to it but it kind of fits what you said:
"The only thing that Window users hate more than Bill Gates are Mac users"
At 08:03 AM 7/21/00 -0700, welihozkiy wrote:
>Guys,
>
>There are many a mailing list for this PC vs. Mac BS......go use one.
>You'll never make PC lovers like Macs and vice versa, get over it.
>People use what they're comfortable with and favor. End of story.
>
>Move on.....
>
>andy
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:25:28 EDT
From: HadesRaze@aol.com
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Derek!
Message-ID: <200007211529.IAA15323@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Well, I do have e'ry right to state my opinion, as opposed to just reading e'ryone else's. ;)
James LaBrie is an asshole; a jerknuts. Aside personality, he fits in. Too bad.
OPINION, mind you. I believe that Derek sounded a considerable amount better than Jordan. Given, Jordan is dripping with talent, and skill. Sure, he's impressive, but he's old. Fifteen years older than the rest of the band? Derek had a ways to go before catching up with Jordan, sure. But honestly, Derek has so much more soul and spirit in his playing. I think he brought the band a little bit more 'life'. ::clutching "ACoS" to his chest tightly:: Twenty three minutes...and hey--Lines in the Sand...c'mon, give me some credit. =)
Then you've got the famed debate of who deserves the 'prog' prefix and who doesn't. I'd say that Soundgarden and Tool are progressive in many manners--Tool does have some complexity to their music, and damned if Soundgarden doesn't--but it's their stance on pop culture that defines them. I'll bet if it weren't for EastWest Dream Theater would be against getting airplay. =)
Let it sink. ;)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:31:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Computers: Mac vs. PC
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0007211023340.22630-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Christopher Ptacek wrote:
> They are more fool proof but less stable (for recording, in my experience)
> and infinitely less secure (they make Win95 look GOOD).
What exactly do you mean by secure? Because if you're talking network
security, you're completely wrong. Machines running MacOS 8 and above are
extremely difficult to breach if set up properly.
> They are customizable
Macs are quite customizable. Just as with a PC, you merely need to know
how to do it.
> There are vastly more user configurations possible
Explain.
> You and REALLY run Linux or BeOS etc (you don't have to jump through the
> Mac hoops to do it)
Hoops? Zuh?
> You are more compatible with the rest of the world (this is a field in
> which conformity is vital, IMO)
As long as you can output files which can be read across all platforms, I
don't think other compatiblity issues are relevant at all. Unless of
course you're trading samples or loops with people and want them in
certain formats.
> Lastly, if you're a student and can't afford to get fucked by the software
> manufacturers, you can try out programs like Cakewalk, Cubase, Logic, etc
> before you buy it to see which one is right for you. There is next to no
> Mac warez.
But if you know people who have the hookup it doesn't matter. ;)
-Brian
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:25:56 -0700
From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Galactic Cowboys
Message-ID: <00ae01bff338$c1d5ddc0$53f8aa26@multimedia>
> Hi there, I would like someone to talk about Galactic Cowboys and which
> album would be the best to purchase as a first...
Hey Alan:
Probably 'Space In Your Face'. That was the CD
that got them on the map. I also liked their
CD 'At the End of the Day.' It kind of grew on me.
A blend of cool songs. I would get 'Space' first though.
I've seen them play 3 times. They were always fun to watch.
Too bad they broke up. :(
peace,
--james
www.genomefactor.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:15:46 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Kings X / DT BOOTS
Message-ID: <20000721.125405.-19669.2.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Well ok here we go:
Ty Tabor solo album, ok good chilling music, nothing that rocks TOO much.
King's X: Any of there CD's are awesome. I really like the last 2, Tape
Head and Please Come Home Mr. Bulbous.... Silley art indeed, but pch i
think is their best disc. :)
I had other stuff to preply too, but I have to go pick up my car from
firsetone. 224.63 bucks. ouch.
Car repairs suck.
oh yeah DT boots. DON"T EVER BUY EM. There are plenty nice people on this
list, the mirror and ESPECIALLY in the mikeportnoy.com forum who trade
for fun. Hell I should be getting 4-6 shows in the mail in the next few
days. I own about 15 as of now, along with a bunch of other bansd. I am
also waiting on a video form the Atlanta show, and aside form the 1st 10
mins where the dude had to hide the camera, the video looks awesome. Top
left balcony, looking over Jordan's shoulder, so Ill be able to yall if
he's real or an alien from another world, who has been sent to impress us
with his finger mobility. (I have to say the ladies must love him, and
Myung have you seen how long his fingers are ???)
Kurt always the badass jammer.
Kurt
NP-Pantera "Ill cast a shadow"
"damn I need a new signature now"
me after reading ytsejam 5456
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:01:52 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554
Message-ID: <001e01bff33d$d156e230$0201010a@chuck>
> and Paz has great ass... Err, off topic, but anyway,
> what do you guys think?
Yes. She does. :) She's definitly a MILF. (Musician I'd Like to Fuck)
> (I have to say the ladies must love him, and
> Myung have you seen how long his fingers are ???)
Little known facts: John Myung was the hand model for ET and also played
Data on The Goonies. ;)
-- KorgX3 used to think the kid that played Chunk was John Candy's son.------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:16:13 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: Dream Theater mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: two issues, yes kansask show and roseland Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000721141334.00a478a0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
I started to see the yes kansas show at the p&c bank arts cente, (gag, hcoke) on Wednesday. Just as Yes went into their third song, my friend, who works security andhad gotten me in, told me wehad to leave, so I missed some really awesome shit. I was and still am pissed. Went and bought tickets to see the concert in Hartford on Saturday, taking my ex girlfriend with me. God life sucks. I won't spoil what I saw from Yes, in case anybody is going, butI ave to say that tey were kicking serious ass that night and I am so mad that I had to leave early. If anybody wanted to know, I was sitting in the handicapped seats. Bleck. Was it cold, too.
Second, I want, no I need to go to roseland, I don't care about work the next day. The two DT freaks in my band can't go, and I really don't want to go with my ex to this one, too. Is anybody from NJ going that way and can pick my ass up, please? If I don't get an email by Sunday night, I will just have to go with my ex. God, life sucks.
-- Damon Fibraio: email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio. Live show on Tuesdays from 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:54:01 PDT From: "J?rgen C. Bakken" <easy2beat@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Late James in Consert Message-ID: <20000721185401.20992.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>SPOILER(or something) >>Funny part: James came on stage late to sing One Last Time. >>So the crowd started singing it. After about 2 lines James came in >>and said "very nice" to the crowd, but he seemes a bit pissed, like >>"hey, don't go singin' my parts". So he started singing it from the >>beginning. hehe
>I believe he did that here too.And I thought we had come in >early.Makes >sense.
Actually, this is something he does for some reason. DT played to days in Oslo( the only bi-conserto in Europe(beat that Stockholm)), and I attended the first night. Amazing night, Spock's Beard and DT. On OLT the band played the opening and nobody sang. Jordan and JM was taking and laughing at this(I think) and then James came out. What he was doing we don't know(wagin' the dog, playing with mirrors and creditcards, how knows). Later on, I got hold of an MD of the second show and the same thing happend, and he started to sing in the same place. The second night they played the alternative medley of Puppies/Acid/JLMB/Innocence/Caught in a Millenium(New Web) et.c.
This was my annual post, good bye.(I SAID I lovy you, didn't I)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:26:34 -0400 From: Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca> To: YTSEJAM Mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: CANADIAN TRAGEDY Message-ID: <3978A3EA.F1E77770@videotron.ca>
Greetings all!
This is just to remind everyone interested that our fight to get Dream Theater to tour Canada now has a web site, complete with online petition, mailing list subscription, news section and much more. The details and rational of the campaign can be found on the web page. The address to the site can be found lower in this Email. So, I invite ALL CANADIANS who would like to see the Metropolis 2000 tour in Canada to come and sign the petitions. Non-Canadians are also welcomed to sign the petition but ONLY IF YOU WOULD ACTUALLY ATTEND A SHOW IN CANADA. (sorry for the camps but this is really important.) What we nee is a true estimate of the financial potential of a Canadian tour.
Thanks for your time and take care,
-- Sign the online petition at: http://netkronik.qc.ca/dt/ ----------------------------------------------------
Steve Godbout, "Canadian Tragedy" effort Campaign for Dream Theater in Canada godbouts@videotron.ca
"What is not nailed down is mine...
"Whatever I can pry off is not nailed down."
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:44:47 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554 Message-ID: <2f.8546787.26aa022f@aol.com>
Christopher Ptacek wrote: << This is silly. Macs are not "more artistic." A condition of art is that it's made by humans for humans, >>
I think you misunderstood. What he meant was that the Mac is a better computer for artisitc purposes. Most graphic designers use the Mac. Thus, he was saying that artists tend to use Macs because it suits their purposes better.
-Mike C.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:56:04 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: more mac stuff :P Message-ID: <B59E3124.9BE%jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
> But, until then, there's alway Diablo II, which you Mac users can't play > yet.
actually, we can: > Out on the show floor, Blizzard Entertainment sold out of "Diablo II" early in > the first day of [Macworld] Expo (from news.excite.com/news/zd/000721/09/third-parties-join)
along with the Sims, Quake III, Unreal Tournament, Rainbow Six, Bauldor's Gate, and Halo (whenever Bungie finishes developing the damn thing; original release was scheduled for about now). Like I said, "Damn! I can't play the latest of the 5000 deer hunting games." I guess I just have to go shoot a real one. Macs are great for entertainment. Esp. considering lots of entertainment is now web-based (flash movies and whatnot), you can have tons of fun with your Mac.
and just so you know that I'm not totally anti-MS, I use outlook and explorer, and like them much better than the alternatives (Netscape, Eudora, etc)
@!# @!# @!# @!# Jim guitarist, Room 213 www.room213.com
"Don't let the world bring you down Not everyone here is that fucked up and cold remember why you came and while you're alive Experience the warmth before you grow old"
Incubus @!# @!# @!# @!#
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:06:56 EDT From: CeaSerin@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554 Message-ID: <7f.7630858.26aa3190@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/21/00 8:46:07 AM Central Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< << Hi there, I would like someone to talk about Galactic Cowboys and which album would be the best to purchase as a first... >> You can't go wrong with their self-entitled debut album, or their second album "Space In Your Face," one of my all-time favorites. However, they might be hard to find. If so, check out "At the End of the Day" or their last and final album "Let It Go" which is also very good. "The Horse That Bud Bought" is okay, in my opinion. A good album, but they could've done better. And stay away from "Machine Fish" unless you like straight-forward, unimaginative metal which seems like they made it to appease Metal Blade on their first album with them. >>
Galactic Cowboys have some awesome backing vocals going on there. I love that style of music. And if you really love the big backing vocal sound that many here would love T-Ride. I've been into that band for years now. They only have one CD but you can find it at www.wishingwellonline.com Very cool CD.
J. Lamm <A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/CeaSerin">www.mp3.com/CeaSerin</A>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:35:29 +1000 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: musical classifications Message-ID: <39790870.EFFFCB2F@alphalink.com.au>
No, you're wrong. Prog-metal was a label invented by music shops and magazines to classify a certain style of music. Dream Theater was one of the very first bands to receive this classification. The reason is because when they came out they sounded like a cross between Rush/Yes, progressive-rock bands, and Iron Maiden/Metallica, metal bands. So obviously you put the two together and you get prog-metal. Of course
this is not entirely accurate, but seeing as though its an invented word, it can mean whatever the inventors want it to mean. Metal is a fairly specific label, referring to bands that is angry, dark (gothic perhaps), low etc. Progressive-rock also fairly specifically refers to a group of bands that includes Yes/King Crimson/Elp/Rush/Kansas etc. Now whenever you have a band, they are going to have a variety of influences. Genres grow out of other genres. So whilst you could say that Led Zeppelin has many elements found in the progressive-rock and metal genres, that does not mean they fit in the genre. That would be like fitting them into the blues genre, or celtic music genre. So anyways, what I am saying, is that most bands can be put into their appropriate genre easily, but there will always be some crossover. Metallica goes into metal. Yes goes into prog rock. Dream Theater goes into prog metal. Deep Purple goes into hard rock (not metal).
> Emerging from lurk mode once again to weigh in on this topic, which is always > fun because it's always so hotly contested. Now, as much as I love Dream > Theater - they ARE my favorite band, without question - there's absolutely no > way anyone with a knowledge of rock history could possibly say they > "invented" the prog-metal genre. To me, the roots of prog-metal go way back > to the early and mid-1970s,
Tool are a unique band, so it is hard to put them into a genre. Whilst I would probably say they are prog-metal, because the majority of their sound comes from prog bands and metal bands, they don't sit well with other bands in the genre. I think this is because the type of influences they draw from the genres is different (they leave out the flashy guitar wanking and leave in the drugs). BTW. I heard Maynard (the singer) on the radio a few years ago and he played his five favourite songs of all time. I can't remember what they all were, but King Crimson and Led Zeppelin's Kashmir were both in there. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Pink Floyd song as well.
> One could say they both have some prog elements.Very few though. > Some songs on BadMotorFinger mostly.But Tool,i can't really say. > Maybe progressive as composers but not as actual music players. > Their music lacks the technicallity that charectirizes most > current prog bands.Unless this was never an actual element of > the spoken genre in the first place.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:19:26 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: three days to a more righteous angle Message-ID: <20000722031926.40953.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Korg, funny has hell analogy about the square tires..
Since I'm still high on painkillers (the subject refers to my ability to bend my knee 90 degrees, of which I am really proud since I just traded in a pair of hamstring muscles for a new ACL on Tuesday), i read that line above about twelve times before i realized it was a typo.
Not to pick on Kurt or anything, but....
"damn, Hampton needs a new signature now" - me after reading the stuff below for the past 100 jams
Partha
>"damn I need a new signature now" >me after reading ytsejam 5456
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:34:24 -0400 From: "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5554 Message-ID: <000b01bff38d$bcb9e160$fe05b13f@majesty>
ONE SMALL DETAIL TO ADD TO THIS POST!!!! >>> Hi all...
Emerging from lurk mode once again to weigh in on this topic, which is always fun because it's always so hotly contested. Now, as much as I love Dream Theater - they ARE my favorite band, without question - there's absolutely no way anyone with a knowledge of rock history could possibly say they "invented" the prog-metal genre. To me, the roots of prog-metal go way back to the early and mid-1970s, and two bands which shared the same gifted guitarist: Deep Purple and Rainbow. It was Ritchie Blackmore's innovative fusion of classical influences with heavy rock that paved the way for prog-metal, at least in terms of the guitar/keyboard duels and extended solos that have come to be such a central part of the genre. Look no further than such classics as "Rainbow Rising," "Long Live Rock 'n' Roll" and especially "Live on Stage" to find many of the main ingredients of prog-metal. I would also credit bands like Jethro Tull and Kansas as pioneers of the genre, blending hard rock crunch with instrumental sophistication on such influential works as "Thick as a Brick" and "Song for America." Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath were also way more progressive, IMO, than many give them credit for being. "Achilles' Last Stand" and "Spiral Architect" are but two examples of this.
I also believe that one would have to credit Ulrich Roth, Michael Schenker and Randy Rhoads as the fathers of the neo-classical metal guitar style, which has come to play an important role in prog-metal as well. And certainly at least some of the work of King Crimson, the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Al DiMeola and the Dixie Dregs demonstrates an understanding of how to blend high volume and energy with instrumental virtuosity, which would help to explain why they have often been cited as major influences by many prog-metal bands.
Thoughts? Post 'em to the Jam, or feel free to E-mail me directly.
Thanks for reading.
-- Jeff :^) >>>
Jeff, I hope that you only missed this "Biaxident," but I think you forgot one major key element to the "Beginings of Prog" here. Does the name RUSH ring a little bell (no offence)? At least 90% of all prog musicians will credit themselves as being very influenced by Rush, hell, even those sel outs Metallica credit Rush for Welcome home sanatarium. Anywho, just needed to add that my fellow Jammer....
Later, Joe
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:03:52 +0300 From: cassidy <cassidy@x-treme.gr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Frank Zappa Message-ID: <39793947.5D9F13F9@x-treme.gr>
Hey guys,i believe some of you had suggested Joe's Garage as a starting point for someone who hasn't heard Zappa yet.I found a double cd entitled "Joe's garage part 1,2 &3" but it costs as much as 3 sfams (new use for the dt masterpiece) would do.It's kind of expensive for something you're not sure you're going to like or get into. How about the album "ship arriving too late".I think that one's with Vai.Any suggestions at all appreciated.
cass
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:04:51 -0700 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Frank Zappa Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000722024515.00af76c0@cs.millersville.edu>
Cassidy wrote:
>Hey guys,i believe some of you had suggested Joe's Garage as a >starting point for someone who hasn't heard Zappa yet.I found a double cd >entitled "Joe's garage part 1,2 &3" but it costs as much as 3 sfams
Although I'm pretty certain you'll dig that album, if you've never heard any Zappa before you may want to start out with one of the 'best of' albums. There's a bunch: "Strictly Commercial", "Cheep Thrills", "Son of Cheep Thrills", and several others. Any of those is a good sampler and should be fairly inexpensive, new or used.
("Joe's Garage" was originally released as separate vinyl albums, hence the 'part' business.)
>How about the album "ship arriving too late".I think that >one's with Vai.
Vai is on that one (credited with "impossible guitar parts"), but I wouldn't recommend that album as a starting point. To be honest, I wouldn't recommend any of the Vai-era discs to begin with. Look for pretty much any mid-to-late-'70s Zappa albums. Albums released or recorded during said time period are generally the favorites of most fans and should be your best bet non-2-CD-non-best-of bet.
Brian
[NP...Single Bullet Theory -- The Anatomy of Being]
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:17:07 +0200 From: "Marko Randjelovic" <truki@EUnet.yu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Douglas Adams Message-ID: <01bff25d$920eff80$LocalHost@king>
-----Original Message----- ]From: Fett2002@aol.com <Fett2002@aol.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Date: Saturday, 15 July, 2000 17:41 Subject: Re: Douglas Adams
| |DIgital Man wrote: | |<< He's not kidding. You need to read more Douglas Adams -- who, by the | way, is a genius. If you like comedy and science fiction, and want to | see them skillfully combined, pick up Hitchhiker's Guide to the | Galaxy, and then the second, third, and fourth books of the trilogy. | Brilliant stuff. >> | |Don't forget the fifth book in the increasingly inaccuarately named |Hitchhiker's trilogy as well. And, agreed. Absoultely brilliant stuff! | | -MIke C.
Yeah the fifth one is great too, just as the previous 4 were, and still are. I have an abridged part of the fourth book that was not in the print. Are you interested? If so I can send it to you or someone else. Contact me privately.
Marko
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:58:08 +0200 From: "Marko Randjelovic" <truki@EUnet.yu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: HoB's DT Clips Message-ID: <01bff31b$b3daf100$LocalHost@king>
I think that's the idea, ie. you can't get the concert onto your disk. Otherwise not too many people would pay for it.
Marko -----Original Message----- ]From: Arash Ashouriha <progordie@gmx.de> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Date: Sunday, 16 July, 2000 20:54 Subject: HoB's DT Clips
|Hi | |Can somebody tell me how can I download the Concert file on |http://www.hob.com ? |I can watch it, but I can't get it on my HD. | |Thank in advance | |NP: symphony x - v
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