YTSEJAM Digest 5521
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Fates Warning
by "Tony De Laender" <progeny@village.uunet.be>
2) practice regimens
by Uroborosss@aol.com
3) Dream Theater FTP
by MaxArbot@aol.com
4) If any of y'all are gonna be at Dragon*Con this weekend.....
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
5) Re: Need more tour dates
by mildew@ucla.edu
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
7) Anomaly
by "miguel bandar" <miguelbandar@hotmail.com>
8) We All Need Some Light?
by "Sasha C." <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520
by Zack1183@aol.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520
by Zack1183@aol.com
11) Re: Def Leppard
by elmariachi@metallica.com
12) Re: 1,5 + 1,5 = 2,10?
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
13) Re: We All Need Some Light?
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
14) Re: Fates Warning
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
15) Re: Korg
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
19) stuff
by "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520
by Cluck42@aol.com
21) Re: Anomaly
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520
by Magus12551@aol.com
23) Re: Practicing in less time
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
24) Misreading the jam
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
25) Enrique Iglesias...LOL
by korg_74 <yanelmar@rieder.net.py>
26) backtobacktoback
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
27) Fwd: [Create a Custom Live Yes CD]
by Cassiano Pereira Barbosa <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:23:13 +0200
From: "Tony De Laender" <progeny@village.uunet.be>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <005c01bfdf49$fbb34620$0701bed4@be027612>
Hey gang,
Alexander T. Coassin asked:
> Any reviews of the new Fates Warning album yet? I downloaded it
from Napster (... and
> yes, I am still buying it the first day it comes out). Seems to be
a little less
Yep. There's a review of "Disconnected" up at the Progeny site. The
link is at the bottom of this message. I also have an interview with
Jim Matheos scheduled for wednesday. I'll send another plug when it's
uploaded :-)
regards,
-- Tony De Laender Editor, Progeny Webzinehttp://gallery.uunet.be/progeny/
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:53:16 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: practice regimens Message-ID: <2b.786784a.268873fc@aol.com>
> From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> > Subject: Practicing in less time > > I am a little concerned for the future of this wave of prog, if all the > shredders here really believe that they should design their workouts around > Rock Discipline.
Actually I just practice along with that part where Petrucci plays really fast. I put the remote on the ground so I can stomp the rewind button and keep shredding away. It's a great workout, especially when I start yelling at the t.v. because the rewound Petrucci never gets tired. He never sweats either.
> RD is a great video, especially if you're already somewhat capable and don't have > the budget to get multiple videos, but I really hope very few of you make your > practices something like "10 minutes of trills, 10 minutes of scale fragments, > etc."
My one-hour practice goes something like this:
10 minutes of shredding 10 minutes of arpeggios 10 minutes of shredding 10 minutes of picking one note very fast 10 minutes of breaking as many strings as possible by abusing the whammy bar 10 minutes of re-stringing guitar
Sometimes that one-note business requires Zen concentration, where I shut my eyes so hard that I see sparkly things everywhere after about thirty seconds. Steady breathing is essential - in case any of you pass out while attempting my one-hour Shredi workout, you weren't breathing evenly enough. (Circular picking requires circular breathing, just ask Steve Vai.)
> There is nothing special or beautiful about these things...
You are hereby EXCOMMUNICATED from the Temple of Shred.
> they're technical primers... workouts like weights, or running laps. It's necessary > to do some regular work with these things in order to keep them up, but I would > recommend a little experiment.
(1) Craft a guitar pick out of corrugated cardboard. (2) Coat the guitar strings with lighter-fluid. When you can play so fast that the pick and strings COMBUST beneath your fingers, consider yourself an experimental guitar player. A mad scientist.
> Practice like this, with a metronome and mark your tempos and take notes on > the difficulty of playing like this.
John Petrucci can make his axe erupt into flames at 200bpm. That's some serious pickin'. My metronome used to go up to 200bpm, but it accidentally caught on fire and now only goes to 11.
> Then, for the rest of that week, practice new things.
Week 1 - play fast Week 2 - play quickly Week 3 - play with extreme velocity Week 4 - play with extreme prejudice
> Learn and memorize your favorite parts of songs (not necessarily DT!) and > make sure that you learn something. Improvise on top of various songs... > especially over things you're not used to.
This is very good advice. Try transcribing the violin parts from a Shania Twain album. Playing along with non-guitar instruments is a whole new ballgame.
> Start working on a new technique. Or just focus on one thing, for a whole hour > session... like work solely on moving through your 3 note per string > patterns up and down the neck with no pause for position shifts, if you want > a specifically technical workout.
Sounds like a cool workout, right up my alley. I wonder...
See you guys in an hour. (grabs guitar)
> in a genre that has perhaps more aspiring musicians than fans?
Heh heh, well said. :)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:08:26 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Theater FTP Message-ID: <31.6f1a92d.2688778a@aol.com>
Does anyone know where I can find some really good FTP sites full of Dream Theater bootlegs? Anyone? Anyone? I have one to share...
[eriC]
AIM: EricPMetze ICQ: 12957439
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:54:21 -0400 From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: If any of y'all are gonna be at Dragon*Con this weekend..... Message-ID: <3957284D.638F@atl.mediaone.net>
...give me a shout-out. I'll be the one with a Director's ribbon stuck behind the Concourse Operations desk in the Hyatt Regency. :)
June 28-July 2, Atlanta, GA. www.dragoncon.org (I'm the webmaster)
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:59:35 -0800 From: mildew@ucla.edu To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Need more tour dates Message-ID: <200006260958.CAA24286@panther.noc.ucla.edu>
Kurt said: > I want you to suck my cock BESERKER!
Did he say "making fuck"? ;) I've got both those songs courtesy of the Nappy one.
~~Amanda
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:03:39 EDT From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <6d.5a9ee75.2688847b@aol.com>
In a message dated 00-06-26 04:00:35 EDT, you write:
<< Yeah, I know he used a real acoustic set, but you must realize that there are little electronic triggers attached to the drum heads, which, when hooked up to a good drum computer, can create very good "real" drumlike sounds. He is still using electonics heavily there, it is just not as appearent.
It is also possible to hook up a series of pedals each of which corresponds to a tiny beater that is elevated above the surface of an acoustic drum. Press down on the pedal and the beater strikes the head, much the same way a remote high-hat pedal works. Just food for thought since I've actually seen one before. Back to lurk mode.
Richie
P.S. Interesting Portnoy/Morgenstein article in the issue of Modern Drummer with Jimmy Chamberlain from Smashing Pumpkins.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:34:25 CEST From: "miguel bandar" <miguelbandar@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Anomaly Message-ID: <F109LoygXLsxpTljBOh00000399@hotmail.com>
I think you should all check out the debut album of the young Dutch band called Anomaly. I'm totally blown away by their music. They're completely instrumental and I'm sure that almost everyone who likes DT will like them as well. I read a review at www.progressiveworld.net and ordered a copy at The Laser's Edge (www.lasercd.com). Those four musicians really know how to use their instruments. I would call it prog-rock/metal with some fusion influences (or whatever). Check it out, you won't regret it! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:49:35 +0200 From: "Sasha C." <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: We All Need Some Light? Message-ID: <000b01bfdf5c$3b1b66a0$05f51dc3@sasha>
Lyrics... please? anyone? :-((( I'd really appreciate it...
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Date: Mon Jun 26 07:34:08 2000 From: Zack1183@aol.com To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <200006261138.EAA10585@fugazi.torchsong.com>
<<Where were you when DT played on Feb. 17 in Cleveland and Feb. 19 in Pittsburgh ? Looks like I'll never see SFAM live either especially if they keep avoiding Seattle like they did in February.>>
The Pittsburgh show was an Under 21 show and I had a college interview scheduled on the 17th. So, no, I couldn't make it to either.
Zack
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Date: Mon Jun 26 07:34:37 2000 From: Zack1183@aol.com To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <200006261138.EAA10603@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Damn it. I meant to say: The Pittsburgh show was an OVER 21 show... Mornings....
Zack
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Date: 26 Jun 2000 05:41:46 -0700 From: elmariachi@metallica.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Def Leppard Message-ID: <20000626124146.21458.cpmta@c003.sfo.cp.net>
On Sat, 24 June 2000, Fett2002@aol.com wrote:
> Okay Josh, here is why everyone thinks that poor little one armed drummer is > so cool. He uses electic drums, and if he is using an acoustic setup, they > have electric triggers in them so that when a faster part comes up in a > tune, he can just turn on the auto-roll feature of any basic electric drum > kit and boom, one fill done.
Well, I'm not embarassed to admit that I am a child of the 80's. And I had the chance to sit pretty close to the stage at one of their "in the round" concerts, where I was directly behind the guy for most of the songs and could watch him work.
1. Actually, he does 95% of his drum fills using his right arm and left foot - he has matching foot pedals on the floor for each of the drum pads up above, so he can use his foot as his "other arm" (and he uses it as the snare almost 100% of the time). So to me, yeah, that IS pretty impressive.
2. He has always done a lot of heel-toe action (I don't know the technical name for this) with his right foot that sounds like he's using a double-bass drums (or pedal), which he learned to do with the left foot after the accident for the same type of effect on the snare, allowing him to free up his right hand for more cymbals. So again, more fills without samples, plus some decent bass drum stuff once and a while.
3. He uses samples more for repititous cymbal stuff than anything, especially when there are special effects added to it. Big deal.
4. He can still play the old stuff with little/no sampling. He did "Let it Go" or "Die Hard the Hunter" and "Stagefright" when I saw them during the Hysteria tour (go ahead and laugh), and I was pretty damned impressed for a guy with one arm.
Okay, so the guy isn't MP and the music doesn't change times every measure or require 32 drum hits per second, but hey, the guy has ONE FRIGGIN' ARM. I don't like the direction Def Leppard took and my own tastes have matured a little since 1985, but I think the guy still deserves some respect for what he does. DL could've EASILLY gone out and hired a new drummer because he wasn't THAT integral to the band (he barely contributes to writing or backup singing). So I respect what he does and I respect them for keeping him, regarldess of what they sound like now.
-El Mariachi
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:56:32 +0300 From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: 1,5 + 1,5 = 2,10? Message-ID: <39575300.1A006BCE@yahoo.com>
Korg Ecksthrey wrote: > > > Umm, the last time I checked, 3 + 2 + 1,5 > 6 It's actually 6,5, so > where's the > > error ? > > The error is you should have used decimal points in place of commas when > depicting decimal units. Unless that's some damn Swedish thing, then I > apologize. Not for your error but because you might be a Swede. ;) > -- > KorgX3 wonders if there is a cure for Sweden.
Huh, thank God for telling me this, now I'm even more grateful I'm NOT a Swede !!! =)
BWAAHAHAHAAHAHA !!!!
- Rock
PS. Let's take a quiz: Which country does the Rock really come from ?
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:24:16 -0300 From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: We All Need Some Light? Message-ID: <000901bfdf69$72073ba0$37351ec8@yunque.net>
If im not mistaken, the disc booklet has the lyrics ?
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Sasha C. <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:53 AM Subject: We All Need Some Light?
> > Lyrics... please? anyone? :-((( I'd really appreciate it... >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Fates Warning Message-ID: <20000626132944.20765.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>
>Any reviews of the new Fates Warning album yet? >Any other impressions??
I've already said it here, and everyone is going to get it anyway, but this is, hands-down, album of the year. Unless, of course, you're a SX fanatic, and then you'll be VERY happy with 'V', but I still like the 'modern' feel of the Fates better.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:41:47 -0400 From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Cc: <kez@spectrum-internet.com> Subject: Re: Korg Message-ID: <NDBBKMFPMKNHENPACFDDGEIGCGAA.rpark@space-dye.com>
> Transatlantic at 9:30 Club: Great show. Anyone catch the webcast? > Anyone record it? > Some guy in front of us(belly to MP's drum riser, wearing a Metropolos > 2000 shirt), was recording in stereo to MD(you could see the mic's > clipped to both sides of his hat). Probably not the best place for > sound, but you'll sure be able to hear the drums. :) > Is that person on this list? > Please let us know if there are any recordings floating around. We > want them. And so do you.
Well, as I was leaving the club I saw security intercept a guy with a MiniDisc recorder! They ended up taking away the disc itself, which really sucks. I'm not sure if it was the same guy that Kez saw, but I bet it was. Fortunately, I'm sure there will be CDs floating around from the archived webcast. I just hope they're of decent quality.
The show ROCKED. I'm not sure I've ever seen progressive rock really groove as much as this did at times. (Though part of that is simply because this is some of the only progressive rock that's not in a minor key... but they got a great groove going toward the end of "My New World" and "All of the Above"!) They all seemed to have fun playing, but Neal Morse blew us away. He was so animated -- seemed to be "running" all night, even jogging in place at times! I was standing DIRECTLY in front of him, right at the front of the stage, which also was very cool. Overall it was a very fun night... I just wish we all could see them again!
Ryan
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:46:05 +1000 From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <39575E9C.5A2717D7@alphalink.com.au>
Your right, but what I was originally seeking was not guidelines for practise, but for maintainance of my current technique, given that I'm going to be shifting from 3 hours plus every day, to an hour if I'm lucky. I've watched Petrucci's video before and I don't particularly like his methods. I'm just need to know really - is technique like riding a bicycle (once you can do it, you can always do it), or will it degenerate once I stop playing so much?
> I am a little concerned for the future of this wave of prog, if all the > shredders here really believe that they should design their workouts around > Rock Discipline.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:03:31 -0400 From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <20000626110331.A3358@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-06-26 at 00:42 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com <ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:33:51 -0400 > From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> > Subject: biznatch!!! > > > "BEEYOTCH"? Is this in english? Or what language is it? > > haha! it's sort of a jokingly / mockingly urban way to say "bitch" :-)
Anyone else have trouble with the fact that someone can get a reference to Devin from Knight Rider, but not know the phrase "beeyotch"?
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> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:56:50 -0400 > From: "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@Maine.edu> > Subject: RE: Def Leapord... Cont... > > Yeah, I know he used a real acoustic set, but you must realize that there > are little electronic triggers attached to the drum heads, which, when > hooked up to a good drum computer, can create very good "real" drumlike > sounds. He is still using electonics heavily there, it is just not as > appearent.
Yeah, I hate it when bands use electronics in the studio. It totally cheapens the moment for me. This one band, they used these things called microphones, and this stuff called tape. What a cop-out! They should just run a string between two soup cans, and let me listen to the album that way. Wankers.
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> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:34:03 -0500 > From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> > Subject: Practicing in less time > > Let JP be an influence, and not some kind of ideological demigod.
Mads, your heart's in the right place. But this is the Ytsejam, after all. Have you learned nothing over the past few years? :)
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> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:48:46 -0600 > From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Re: Def Leapord (It's Def LEPPARD, you dumbass!) > > You gotta hand it to the guy for overcoming his disability.
Depends on which disability you mean. If you mean not having an arm, sure. More props to him. But if you mean not being able to play interesting drum parts, well... :)
-d NP: Tony Levin/Waters OF Eden
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:24:54 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <003f01bfdf82$c78c0c90$0201010a@chuck>
> Anyone else have trouble with the fact that someone can get a > reference to Devin from Knight Rider, but not know the phrase > "beeyotch"?
Not at all. Remember that David Hasselhoff is God in Europe. Who do you think Michaelangelo was conceiving when he crafted the statue of David, anyway? I guess in Germany and Italy, Knight Rider and Baywatch are a religion, and state laws require you to attend one concert of his per year. Hell, I'd even wager that Ricardo has jammed with him, too.
> Depends on which disability you mean. If you mean not having an arm, > sure. More props to him. But if you mean not being able to play > interesting drum parts, well... :)
The drum line for Women is uninteresting? I never noticed! ;) -- KorgX3 thinks that David Hasselhoff is gay.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:32:17 -0700 From: "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: stuff Message-ID: <000f01bfdf83$b6553310$574b010a@winstar.com>
The DVD is a good idea. Doesn't everyone have one yet? They will after Toy Story and Jurrasic Park comes out this summer.
Looks like DT is skipping Seattle again. That's the thanks we get for selling out the place on the FII tour.
The whole thing about the Def Leppard drummer was a reference to a Bloodhound Gang lyric.
Trevor says hooray for boobies.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:15:44 EDT From: Cluck42@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <c8.6ab1179.2688dbb0@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/26/00 3:37:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< I am a little concerned for the future of this wave of prog, if all the shredders here really believe that they should design their workouts around Rock Discipline. >> yeah, im the one who suggested using the video, and i understand what youre saying and completely agree. there are too many people who try to be exactly like JP and think that "DT is the only prog-rock." however, there would be no DT if they tried to sound like everyone else. i should have not been so specific and only talk about DT when there are MANY other excellent musicians out there that are just as good but with different styles. thanks for helping me see my error WITHOUT being an egocentric jerk! (im not being sarcastic, either!) ROSE ALAIMO cluck42@aol.com "Our deeds have traveled far, what we have been is what we are." -John Petrucci (God), Dream Theater "She screams for me, not at me." -Stevie Ray Vaughan about his guitar.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:32:32 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Anomaly Message-ID: <395785A0.3B75AF0@sdts.nu>
I'll second that! I meant to write something about these boys (the compos= er is 19 years old), but I didn't get around to it. I'd give the disc 6 out of = 10, mainly because the album starts out great only to follow a straight line = down to nearly boring. But "Anomaly" is definitely a band to look out for in t= he future.
I'd be happy to upload some samples if requested.
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
miguel bandar wrote:
> I think you should all check out the debut album of the young Dutch ban= d > called Anomaly. I'm totally blown away by their music. They're complete= ly > instrumental and I'm sure that almost everyone who likes DT will like t= hem > as well. I read a review at www.progressiveworld.net and ordered a copy= at > The Laser's Edge (www.lasercd.com). Those four musicians really know ho= w to > use their instruments. I would call it prog-rock/metal with some fusion > influences (or whatever). Check it out, you won't regret it! > _______________________________________________________________________= _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.co= m
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:09:44 EDT From: Magus12551@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <66.4f72c92.2688e858@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/26/00 3:37:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
> Anyway, my frind bought the soundtrack for CLERKS yesterday.
My favorite movie EVER!!! Not worth buying the soundtrack though. :) Kevin Smith is the man!
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:03:55 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Practicing in less time Message-ID: <5BF1A0A611B44D110885000A9C4B45B0@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
<Ptacek's entire post>
Through my own personal experience, I agree with what Chris said. Though doing hours upon hours of technical stuff does make you a faster/more accurate/cleaner etc player, if you never work on utilizing these skills, you're going to either a) sound like a robot, or b) feel totaly lost when its time to improvise or whatever. I never used to make time to work on improvisation skills and actually putting the technical stuff to use in a non-practice setting. As a result, my soloing sounded like shit. It was very disconnected, emotionless, etc.
I remember Michael Romeo telling me that even though he spent a lot of time learning Yngwie and Gilbert licks and working on technique, he felt what helped him the most was making backing tracks on a 4 track with a drum machine and his guitars and just improvising over these tracks for hours on end, then changing the key, tempo, etc. Then listening back to the recordings and seeing how his playing sounded and improving on that.
So yeah, practice the technical stuff, but don't forget the actual performing and playing part of it, 'cos thats where it counts. A really good tool that I use to work on this are the Steve Vai naked vamps CD/book sets. Theres one with tracks from PaW and SaR, one with every track from ALS, and one with selected tracks from FG. The CDs are backing tracks of the songs that Vai made himself from the actual studio tracks. The book contains some tabs and performance notes. They're really fun to jam to.
Another thing when dealing with the technical side is, don't try to cram every aspect of playing into one day. Assign different stuff to different days of the week. For example, on Monday, I'll spend time working on linear lines, but tuesday I'll work on string skipping, and wed. will be chromatics, etc. I tried to fit everything into one day once and it just got too overwhelming. Plus, I feel only giving yourself like, 10 or 15 minutes to work on one thing doesn't seem to do the trick in terms of giving yourself enough time to learn something (at least for me). I get more out of an exercise if I spend maybe a half hour on it than forcing myself to stop halfway because "my 15 min are up." I also tended to rush through an exercise when I only did 15 min per exercise.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Misreading the jam Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0006261400180.6052-100000@gs.bass.org>
Bafu wrote: >disappear from society
At first glance, I almost thought this read disappear from sobriety. Wishful thinking perhaps.
Korg: >[Rick Allen] doing the one-handed clap
Er, is that a euphemism for something?
paul NP Ozric Tentacles: Swirly Termination ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote:
I wave at you / with the arm of the mountain
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:30:53 -0400 From: korg_74 <yanelmar@rieder.net.py> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Enrique Iglesias...LOL Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000626143053.007e4100@mail.rieder.net.py>
On.. Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:39:04 CDT ]From: "Christopher Benavides" Subject: shred is going pop???
>...guess who was playing rhythm guitar for Enrique Englisas band but none other than 80s shred virtuoso GREG HOWE. I wouldn't of believed it if I didn't see it, but it was him..
Hey guys.. speaking of lurkers.../me raises his hand.
On E.Iglesias, I remember I went to a CD store here in Asuncion Paraguay, asking for some Vai's stuff. The clerk (a friend of mine) knew of my tastes already, so I told him (joking obviously) that I wanted some E. Iglesias. He looked at me really seriously, went to pick one of his CD's and showed me some of the musicians involved....Uh! I couldn't believed it ! If I recall correctly, Matt & Greg Bisonette, and Stu Ham recorded his first CD... go figure that out !
On the other hand, I finally decided and purchased Vanden Plas, FoG. I'm patiently waiting....=) _____________________________________
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:11:36 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: backtobacktoback Message-ID: <20000626191136.68837.qmail@hotmail.com>
the schedule at Pine Knob (near Detroit) on july 10/11/12
10th : Britney Spears 11th: Yes/Kansas 12th: Ozzfest
thought the change from day to day was kinda humorous, felt like sharing. Sometimes have to wonder how venue staffs deal with such completely different crowds day after day..... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:43:44 -0300 From: Cassiano Pereira Barbosa <cassi.b@uol.com.br> To: rbrito-ytsebr@linux.ime.usp.br, ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Fwd: [Create a Custom Live Yes CD] Message-ID: <3957B26F.1A6D98FA@uol.com.br>
This one is for the Yes-maniacs out there... I wonder why they don't do this with DT, it's such a great idea!
Cheers, Cassiano
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Create a Custom Live Yes CD Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:04:27 -0700 ]From: yes@yesworld.com Reply-To: yesworld@yesworld.com To: yes@yesworld.com
YESWORLD: The Yes Online Service UPDATE - June 23, 2000
CREATE A CUSTOM LIVE YES CD
Yes and imix.com have joined together to offer you the chance to mix your own personalized Yes Masterworks CD. Choose from over 2 hours and 20 minutes of exclusive live, never before released Yes performances recorded in state of the art digital audio. You can also select exclusive cover art by Roger Dean.
Visit the Masterworks CD page at yesworld.com for the links to create your own CD. If there is no link for your area choose the one closest to you, or any of the links listed.
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