YTSEJAM Digest 5522
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Daid Hasselhoff
by Fett2002@aol.com
2) A parody for you good folks
by "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
3) Minneapolis show
by Andrew Goktepe <goktepe@citilink.com>
4) Transatlantic Bootleg!!!!!!!!
by Brooks Edman <drumstik@home.com>
5) RE: DT M2000 Pictures
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
6) Re: Pictures
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Minneapolis Jammers...looking for ticket liason
by MentalHunk@aol.com
8) Tracklist of new Symphony X
by "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
9) Fates Warning - Disconnected
by Adam M Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
10) Re: Beserker
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
11) Re: A parody for you good folks
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) Dream DVD
by "Chris Elder" <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
13) Re: Dream DVD
by Coldfire The Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
14) Sunny Day
by Rahul Ananda <Rahul.Ananda@ctp.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5521
by HadesRaze@aol.com
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5521
by IAmClay777@aol.com
17) variant
by "Kris Norris" <variant@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
18) C O U T E R M A R S H - read this!!
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
19) Prog ?
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
20) Re: Prog ?
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
21) Knight Rider
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@artun.ee>
22) Re: Prog ?
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
23) Re: Prog ?
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
24) Anomaly live!!
by "Josh Buitenweg" <joshbuitenweg@hotmail.com>
25) Re: Prog ?
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:57:36 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Daid Hasselhoff
Message-ID: <34.70ed293.26890fb0@aol.com>
Korg wrote:
<< Not at all. Remember that David Hasselhoff is God in Europe. Who do
you think Michaelangelo was conceiving when he crafted the statue of
David, anyway? I guess in Germany and Italy, Knight Rider and Baywatch
are a religion, and state laws require you to attend one concert of his
per year. Hell, I'd even wager that Ricardo has jammed with him, too. >>
Does anyone have any possible kind of rational explanation why David
Hasselhoff is popular in Europe? He's especially big in Germany if I'm not
mistaken. What's the deal with this?
-mike C.
NP: the Baywatch opening theme MP3.... seriously!!!
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:01:43 -0600
From: "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: A parody for you good folks
Message-ID: <001601bfdfa9$5a111800$9d598a80@fx1f00b>
RAISE THE KNIFE
Music by Dream Theater
Lyrics by O.J. Simpson
Have I thanked you for my time?
Don't you know I'll go unpunished again?
I'll ask for 10 million dimes
For a TV lie detector show
No care for how it turns out
My friends
The powers that be made me a free man
Conspiracy by partners of Mark Fuhrman?!
I hired the best as soon as you knew that
I killed them both with my hands
Once again I'm golfing
Appreciating sunshine
You can ask yourself how
But it don't matter now
I may fail the test
The law says I can't be tried
Again
Tortured Goldmans bear their soul
Seems they know I won't pay a toll
You know I'm free from punishing
Even made some money publishing!
Spilled both their guts on the ground one day
Now covered by double jeopardy
Raising the knife
To the boyfriend of my wife
(And her too!)
Up was their time
Going in with their lives
(Just won't do!)
No need to lie
I won't try anymore
(Don't need to)
No need to fight
Raise the knife
Raise the knife
Ran through
I remember once they were the breathing type
Content to go on living the days of their lives
What false security!
I cut them both open so people would bury them
No one bought into my contrived sincerity
And how I wore that glove, and now it won't fit
I laugh incredulously
At Marcia Clark and the people prosecuting me
Killing was exhausting
Boy, were they distorted
When their lives were shorted
Then a car chase, aborted
I'm widely blamed for those things that I did
'Cause I had the means and the bucks and the motive to kill
On that day
And still walk away
Reading through all of the stories about me
I notice the way that they all think I'm guilty
Doubting the jury's decision on that day
'Cause I clearly lopped off their domes
Raising the knife
ETC....
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:19:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew Goktepe <goktepe@citilink.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Minneapolis show
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000626151404.9801A-100000@foshay>
Don't get me wrong, I'm damn happy to see my favorite band, but
does it have to be the same night as Ozzfest? But it will be great to see
Dream Theater in a small club.
Andy
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:36:01 -0400
From: Brooks Edman <drumstik@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Transatlantic Bootleg!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <3957BEB1.432CCEAB@home.com>
> Transatlantic at 9:30 Club: Great show. Anyone catch the webcast? >Anyone record it? Some guy in front of us(belly to MP's drum riser, >wearing a Metropolos 2000 shirt), was recording in stereo to MD(you >could see the mic's clipped to both sides of his hat). Probably not >the best place for sound, but you'll sure be able to hear the drums. >:)
> Is that person on this list? Please let us know if there are any >recordings floating around. We want them. And so do you.
> Kez
Thats Me!! I got Transatlantic and Mastermind. I didn't get the
medely of all of the different bands though. My MD recorded was doing
something screwy and dinn't want to record. I have everything but that
and it sounds really good!!!
The mic's I was using are awesome. The drums are louder than
everything else (and really clean and crisp!!) but you can still hear
everything clear. The mastermind boot is even better but because of drum
placement :P but I know you guys mainly want TA.
So If you want to setup a trade e-mail me. Thanks!!
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:18:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: DT M2000 Pictures
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10006261717590.38886-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Oh yeah, there are the ones I got of the Boston (2/27/00) show. They're
not all that great, but they're pictures, right? :)
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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"Never trust a spiritual leader who can't dance."
- Mr. Miyagi
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:18:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Pictures
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10006261718420.38886-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Stupid me, I forgot to include the link to that.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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Never pet a burning dog.
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Date: Mon Jun 26 17:22:15 2000
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Minneapolis Jammers...looking for ticket liason
Message-ID: <200006262126.OAA21152@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Hello gang...
I am from Fargo, North Dakota hoping to start a partnership with someone from Minneapolis for the purpose of finding out about events, tickets, buying tickets, etc....It is impossible to get this info four hours away, and don't tell me to check ticketbastard's site...because of them I did'nt get AC/dc tickets....
I need to know when the shows go on sale, and maybe even have a partner to buy them for me with my local shows (to avoid lines, etc.), and I can do the same for them here...for instance, Dream Theater is August 12th at the Quest club...when are tix on sale ? Queensryche and Maiden is August 26th at the Roy Wilkens...when Are these on sale??? I need info, man !
If nothing else maybe a reliable site, etc ???
thanks in advance
Tom
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:23:59 +0200
From: "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Tracklist of new Symphony X
Message-ID: <3957E60F.29074.CCDB4A@localhost>
Hi!
Has someone got the tracklist of the new Symphony X album "V"?
Please email me privately. Thanks!
Christoph
schroedhelm@gmx.de
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:42:34 -0400
From: Adam M Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Fates Warning - Disconnected
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.10.10006261736590.1807280-100000@mail1.ats.rochester.edu>
Got the new FW in the mail today. Metal Blade delivered as promisd, on
the European release dates. If you're in the US and you didn't order from
Metal Blade direct I guess you're gonna have to wait. You definitely have
my condolensces for having to sit through what's gonna be a long painful
wait as you see all the great reviews pour in for this thing. This is
another monster release. It has all the great things you'd expect from
Matheos and company, but some of the best elements are the unexpected
ones. An incredible disc.
Adam
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:45:21 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Beserker
Message-ID: <20000626.164944.-99161.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Kurt said:
> I want you to suck my cock BESERKER!
<Did he say "making fuck"? ;)
I've got both those songs courtesy of the Nappy one.>
Yeah, he said that too :) I love feel good songs like that one.
The best is the russina guy
Jay "Make your metal face man"
Kurt
NP-DT CIA9ITG (this kicks ass)
"damn I need a new signature now"
me after reading ytsejam 5456
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:53:38 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: A parody for you good folks
Message-ID: <003001bfdfb9$0538b710$0201010a@chuck>
> To the boyfriend of my wife
Dr. Seuss?
> Up was their time
Yoda?
> I cut them both open so people would bury them
That's as good a reason as any. :)
> Then a car chase, aborted
Damn you, Roe vs. Wade!
> 'Cause I clearly lopped off their domes
That's sounds about as painful as having a Pine Knob.
Good parody. :) 'gratz!
-- KorgX3 is bored at work today. C'n ye tell, laddies n' lassies?------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:10:54 -0400 From: "Chris Elder" <twilightzone@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Dream DVD Message-ID: <000c01bfdfbb$674ad8a0$e32c56d1@chriseld>
Regarding the Dream Theater DVD:
Who in thier right mind would want a VHS version? ACK!!! Where can I get my copy of Metropolis2: SFAM on 8-track? Jump into the 21st century. I can't tell you(those w/o DVD) how cool music sounds in DD 5.1. Metallica's Cunning Stunts is one of my favorites. Superb picture, and sound out of 6 speakers instead of 2-3. What's not to like? For those that don't know, 6 channels are: Left Front, Right Front, Center, Sub, Left Rear, Right Rear. A different sound out of every speaker. Instead of the standard stereo 2.1(Left, Right, Center, Sub) So you could hear at the same time the gun shot from SFAM fly from the Right Front to Left rear and hear Victoria scream just out of the left rear speaker. Then you could hear, the car at the end of the story pulling up, out of the right rear, hear Nicholas walk from left rear to left front and knock on the door in the center. What a killer disc this would be.
Plus you can fit a TON of extras on a disc. Just check the new version of T2 coming out. 3 versions of the film on 1 disc! Plus something like 3+ hours of extra stuff. The Cunning Stunts disc has a couple of pictures from EVERY show on the tour! Backstage footage, warm ups, all sorts of cool shit.
Hopefully for those who don't have DVD, I hope I have enticed you a little.
So one last thing: How many people on the jam around or attending the Bogart's show in Cinci?
-Chris
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:20:47 -0400 From: Coldfire The Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dream DVD Message-ID: <3957D73F.E6E18501@bellatlantic.net>
Nope...some of us can't afford DVD. ALso, more speakers means more things that could and will get broken and then I'd have to pay even more money to get fixed. Then again a Shitallica DVD is the last thing in the world to entice me to get something.
Coldie Chris Elder wrote: > > Regarding the Dream Theater DVD: > > Who in thier right mind would want a VHS version? ACK!!! Where can I get > my copy of Metropolis2: SFAM on 8-track? Jump into the 21st century. > I can't tell you(those w/o DVD) how cool music sounds in DD 5.1. > Metallica's Cunning Stunts is one of my favorites. Superb picture, and > sound out of 6 speakers instead of 2-3. What's not to like? For those that > don't know, 6 channels are: Left Front, Right Front, Center, Sub, Left Rear, > Right Rear. A different sound out of every speaker. Instead of the > standard stereo 2.1(Left, Right, Center, Sub) So you could hear at the same > time the gun shot from SFAM fly from the Right Front to Left rear and hear > Victoria scream just out of the left rear speaker. Then you could hear, the > car at the end of the story pulling up, out of the right rear, hear Nicholas > walk from left rear to left front and knock on the door in the center. What > a killer disc this would be. > > Plus you can fit a TON of extras on a disc. Just check the new version of > T2 coming out. 3 versions of the film on 1 disc! Plus something like 3+ > hours of extra stuff. The Cunning Stunts disc has a couple of pictures from > EVERY show on the tour! Backstage footage, warm ups, all sorts of cool > shit. > > Hopefully for those who don't have DVD, I hope I have enticed you a little. > > So one last thing: > How many people on the jam around or attending the Bogart's show in Cinci? > > -Chris
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:16:45 -0700 From: Rahul Ananda <Rahul.Ananda@ctp.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Sunny Day Message-ID: <7B32D702BAADD311AAB9009027AFC531B5CEBC@SPACENEEDLE>
]From Partha: >Question: anybody hear of the band Sunny Day Real Estate?
Yeah. They're from Seattle (surprise!) and I inhabited a particularly smarmy domicile a few houses down from their bass player about 4 years ago. It was fairly tough on the neighbors when they'd rehearse on Sundays at the same time as my then-band (grunge vs. fusion..they win the volume award EVERY fuckin' time...the neighbors always called the cops on them, so it was OK). I have a couple friends who are WAY into their stuff, but it was never really my bag. Whereabouts did you hear of this collaboration with the Foo dude(s)? I'd like to pass the information to aforementioned friends.
Rahul Ananda Excell Data Corporation (425)974-6350 rahul.ananda@ctp.com
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Date: Mon Jun 26 19:21:27 2000 From: HadesRaze@aol.com To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5521 Message-ID: <200006262325.QAA21978@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Painful! I've got Dream Theater playing here at the Quest in Minneapolis the same damned day as Ozzfest! Not that I like Ozzie, but I'd like to catch Kittie and Disturbed. =p Just venting.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:07:59 EDT From: IAmClay777@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5521 Message-ID: <74.92f407.2689586f@aol.com>
They are, but he downloaded the song from Napster, so he doesn't have the booklet. Not having heard Transatlantic before, I was definitely blown away at the 9:30 Club! I picked up the special edition double cd on my way out, and it's indeed damn good.
I had a great spot for this concert, namely, right up front, center stage, leaning on Roine Stolt's monitor! In case anybody saw me, I was the guy with slightly longish brown hair wearing a Metropolis 2000 shirt. As for the show, it was awesome. Neal Morse has amazing stage presence for a keyboardist, I've never seen anybody jump up and down that much before in one show. :-) Everybody was dead on, and any sound problems they may have had before were not evident here. There was some brief audience-band talk but for the most part it was music... MP was his usual self, complete with propeller hat and other strange bits of humor. After hearing the cd, I'd say the performance was actually better than the recording, and the 'Magnum Opus' (One song from each band plus parts of two Beatles songs) was awesome. I'm not sure I liked Stolt's take on JP's style that much, but it was cool hearing part of Finally Free again.
As for Mastermind, they were ok, but nothing really special. The guitarist was playing an SG that looked like it'd undergone some major abuse. He had a guitar synth pickup mounted on it with which he got some really odd feedback and octave sounds, and he played some pretty impressing solos. The bassist and drummer were really old (Not like that's very important, but it was noticable enough to mention) and did their job well although it was pretty standard stuff. THe singer seemed to be on pitch, but since I couldn't actually make out any words, I have to say she's pretty bad... The music itself was really odd, somewhat proggish, but pretty twisted... I dunno, they need to refine the stuff a lot.
Anyway, all in all it was an awesome show, and since I'll be missing DT when they come in August, it was very cool to see TA live.
> > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:24:16 -0300 > From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> > To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: Re: We All Need Some Light? > Message-ID: <000901bfdf69$72073ba0$37351ec8@yunque.net> > > > If im not mistaken, the disc booklet has the lyrics > ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > ]From: Sasha C. <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:53 AM > Subject: We All Need Some Light? > > > > > > Lyrics... please? anyone? :-((( I'd really appreciate it... > >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:44:07 -0700 From: "Kris Norris" <variant@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: variant Message-ID: <F62D855A6CB44D11DAAC0005B813E913@variant.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
hello all...want to inform you of an improv project i did...just curious to your comments as I made MANY refrences to DT throughout (on purpose of course) http://www.mp3.com/variantqualities mp3 and streaming audio
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:59:59 -0400 From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: Ytse Love-In <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: C O U T E R M A R S H - read this!! Message-ID: <20000626235959.A19121@optical.mindstorm.com>
sorry for the clutter, folks. andrew: important. my IP address has changed. send me e-mail to *this* account. -c
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:45:11 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Prog ? Message-ID: <B57DB7A7.6432%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
I know there are countless debates on this list as to what consitutes "progressive" music, and I have no delusions of being able to define it for the masses. But, this is a brief primer I wrote for another list (containing some people who are into old Alan Parsons, Yes, Gentle Giant, etc) and I thought it may be appropriate here. Take it with some salt.
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I have heard Porcupine Tree, etc. (I actually have been involved in two different netradio stations dedicated largely to this type of music), and out of all of them, I have heard very little to rival, for example, old Jethro Tull (who I saw in '96 on the Roots to Branches tour, my first big concert, and they were absolutely exquisitite).
The only new "progressive" which I find to rival the originals (whom I don't even like all that much, with the exceptions of Genesis and Tull), is ChromaKey. The new "prog" scene has, unfortunately, for the large part devolved into such derivative, depresssing "progmetal" bands such as Shadow Gallery and Reading Zero. Both the "progressive" and "progmetal" bands that I have heard over the last five years have been disconcertingly unoriginal.
There are many who carry on the torch of Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes, etc. but *they all do the same old tricks.* To me, progressive is not simply a genre full of time changes and odd key signatures...it is the frontier of music, which actually "progresses" and stretches the boundaries. The sad truth is, standard western guitar modes have been utilized for 40+ years. There is nothing left to be played in them which is truly progressive. A band can play in A stygian 5/32 and write lyrics about Gimli and the Elves vs. Saruman, but the fact is, it's been done (by Blind Guardian, another terrible imitator on the Magna Carta label). Something truly "progressive" these days needs to delve into one of two areas, imo:
1. Cutting edge electronica (and not simply the same old techno which has been done for two decades).
2. Mixtures of western and eastern music, *which yield a viable musical result*. There are countless instances over the past 20 years of artists using "eastern" or "african" influences, which rarely extend beyond laying a traditional Morrocan folk melody over a western rhythm. See for example Paul Simon's use of Ladybird Black Mazambo, which, while definitely entertaining, was really nothing new musically. It was layering, not intergration.
For an example of an honest and laudable attempt at fusing eastern and western traditions, I would suggest the album "In the Buzzbag," by "The Brooklyn Funk Essentials." Modern 'Funk' or 'acid jazz' is the last area most people would look to when thinking of anything "progressive," which means its the area most likely to produce progress (nobody ever expects progress to come from where it does--they expect it to come from tired traditions). Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!
-Brian
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I won't take my religion from any man who never works except with his mouth and never cherishes any memory except the face of the woman on the American silver dollar.
I ask you to come through and show me where you're pouring out the blood of your life.
-Carl Sandburg, "To A Contemporary Bunkshooter"
--
Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:48:15 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Prog ? Message-ID: <000701bfe00c$110605e0$e24436cb@user>
It's for these reasons that I consider bands such as The Gathering, VAST, Amorphis and Paradise Lost to some extent to be "progressive".
Paul. PaulTad@bigpond.com ICQ:54681951 ---------------------------------------------------------- "I wave my private parts at your Aunties." - Monty Python ---------------------------------------------------------- > There are many who carry on the torch of Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes, etc. > but *they all do the same old tricks.* To me, progressive is not simply a > genre full of time changes and odd key signatures...it is the frontier of > music, which actually "progresses" and stretches the boundaries. The sad > truth is, standard western guitar modes have been utilized for 40+ years. > There is nothing left to be played in them which is truly progressive. A > band can play in A stygian 5/32 and write lyrics about Gimli and the Elves > vs. Saruman, but the fact is, it's been done (by Blind Guardian, another > terrible imitator on the Magna Carta label). Something truly "progressive" > these days needs to delve into one of two areas,
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:02:15 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@artun.ee> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Knight Rider Message-ID: <000b01bfe00e$03aa4e40$0201a8c0@internal>
]From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
> Anyone else have trouble with the fact that someone can get a > reference to Devin from Knight Rider, but not know the phrase > "beeyotch"?
Not that it matters much, given the circumstances, but Knight Rider was first aired in Europe back in the embarrassing days of 1983, and even a country in the North-West of the former Soviet Union got its glimpse. (Finnish TV is to blame here.) So, having seen Knight Rider doesn't really prove or disprove anything, I could say "one man can make the difference, Michael" even before I could speak fluent Russian. :-) (Later years have added "and that man is NOT you!" to the sentence.)
However, there are some other bits that most people have overlooked, which are quite interesting about the person's posts to whom you were referring... ;-)
Raiberto Genatsvale Fellatio, footballo della Estonio
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:16:21 -0400 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Prog ? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000627033714.00a94b90@cs.millersville.edu>
Brian Hayden wrote:
>I know there are countless debates on this list as to what consitutes >"progressive" music, and I have no delusions of being able to define it for >the masses. But, this is a brief primer I wrote for another list (containing >some people who are into old Alan Parsons, Yes, Gentle Giant, etc) and I >thought it may be appropriate here. Take it with some salt.
(Assuming the letter was forwarded to the list without the intention of trolling...)
The "official" definition of progressive rock or metal, according to most publications you might come across on the subjects, is that they're styles, subgenres within subgenres, not having anything to do with "breaking new barriers in music". Progressive metal is a label, just like speed or thrash metal. If you say a speed or thash metal's latest release is their most progressive, it means that it's closer to the progressive metal sound, not that they're changing ("progressing").
Progressive rock is a label created in the '70s to describe a totally new-sounding music style that had come about, the same way "grunge" and "alternative" entered our collective vocabulary in the sleightly-more-modern era. Progressive rock bands today are ones that, by definition, sound at least remotely similar to those early '70s bands. Otherwise, they'd have a different label (the ones Hayden mentioned, for instance: modern funk, acid jazz, and so on).
Brian, while you're entitled to your opinions, calling progrock/progmetal bands "not progressive" because you don't like them (for unoriginality or anything else) is pretty ridiculous as far as the definition above is concerned. They're still progrock/progmetal bands even if everybody dislikes them. ...which, in many cases, isn't too far from the truth!
>by Blind Guardian, another terrible imitator on the Magna Carta label
One more nit to pick -- Blind Guardian (they are imitating...who, exactly?) is on Century Media in the US. The ever-greedy Magna Carta'd love to get their hands on 'em I'm sure, but, as of yet, they haven't been involved with each other.
Brian II
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 03:33:41 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Prog ? Message-ID: <B57DD114.6443%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 6/27/00 3:25 AM, WB Henderson at wbhender@cs.millersville.edu scribbled in vibrant crayola:
> Brian, while you're entitled to your opinions, calling progrock/progmetal > bands "not progressive" because you don't like them (for unoriginality or > anything else) is pretty ridiculous as far as the definition above is > concerned. They're still progrock/progmetal bands even if everybody > dislikes them. ...which, in many cases, isn't too far from the truth!
I just hate nondescript labels. I know it puts me in the minority, and in a no-contest fight against standard genre dication, but as far as I'm concerned, if you call it "progressive," it sure as shit better be progressing...otherwise the label will appear completely and arbitrarily meaningless to a newcomer to the genre.
>> by Blind Guardian, another terrible imitator on the Magna Carta label > > One more nit to pick -- Blind Guardian (they are imitating...who, exactly?) > is on Century Media in the US. The ever-greedy Magna Carta'd love to get > their hands on 'em I'm sure, but, as of yet, they haven't been involved > with each other.
Sorry about that...I tend to lump them all onto MC, forgot a few of them are on Century (and some, of course, on Metal Blade). My bad. :)
-Brian (who still enjoys the Tull boot that Mr Henderson was good enough to send along a few years back)
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:37:45 CEST From: "Josh Buitenweg" <joshbuitenweg@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Anomaly live!! Message-ID: <20000627083745.68823.qmail@hotmail.com>
Last Friday I went to see Anomaly live in some theatre here in the Netherlands. I picked up their debut-album (which is fucking brilliant) recently and really looked forward to seeing them play that stuff live. My god, they are so fucking tight and heavy! I saw several DT shows, but was still impressed by Anomaly. I'd tip them as the best new prog-band since a long time.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 03:46:37 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Prog ? Message-ID: <B57DD41D.6445%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 6/27/00 3:25 AM, WB Henderson at wbhender@cs.millersville.edu scribbled in vibrant crayola:
> The "official" definition of progressive rock or metal, according to most > publications you might come across on the subjects, is that they're styles, > subgenres within subgenres, not having anything to do with "breaking new > barriers in music". Progressive metal is a label, just like speed or > thrash metal. If you say a speed or thash metal's latest release is their > most progressive, it means that it's closer to the progressive metal sound, > not that they're changing ("progressing").
Just one further note...this isn't quite true. Many radio stations are labeled "progressive" for playing things such as The Jayhawks or Billy Bragg/Wilco. The term still is applied in the sense of "something new to rock," even if something new is really just something recycled. It's not just a genre designator for bands following the blueprint of ELP, Tull, GG, Yes, etc etc etc vis a vis time changes, key changes, et. al.
-Brian
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