YTSEJAM Digest 5359
Today's Topics:
1) Dream Theater Concert Review
by MusicStJournal@aol.com
2) re: balalaykas
by "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg>
3) Re: digests posts recycling saving
by Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
4) McD's
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Cars, men, electricy.
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
6) Whining about the crowds...
by "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5357
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
8) Doh
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
9) Re: Whining about the crowds...
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
10) RE: Ignorance and talent
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
11) need space to sleep in OSLO/Norway!!
by Volker Stephan <stephav@uni-muenster.de>
12) Re: The corporately manufactured products
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
13) Cool Jazz; keyboards in the Mix
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
14) dancing turtles
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
15) Re: McD's
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
16) Re: Cool Jazz; keyboards in the Mix
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
17) RE: The English Major
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
18) Expectorations of Bafu
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
19) Suck my return key!
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
20) I'll give it to ya baby uh huh uh huh..
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
21) vocals
by Uroborosss@aol.com
22) Awww / Rosie
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
23) RE: Spock's Beard
by "Lisa Marie Palma" <firegirl@flashcom.net>
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:52:18 EST
From: MusicStJournal@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Dream Theater Concert Review
Message-ID: <19.18a366c.25ee6c82@aol.com>
There is a review of DT live in Chicago, February of this year, including
quite a few photos at Music Street Journal. You can check out this article,
and all the rest of them, by pointing your browser to
http://www.50megs.com/msj or http://MusicStJournal.50megs.com.
Thanks
Gary
Gary Hill
Music Street Journal
http://www.50Megs.com/msj
http://MusicStJournal.50megs.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:01:26 +0200
From: "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: balalaykas
Message-ID: <000d01bf837e$4ec1b9a0$56818ac3@xxx>
>Pod dugoj kolokolcik pojot
In Russian it means "A Bell is singing under the raibow" or something like
that.
Hope that helps,
Vic
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:28:38 -0500
From: Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: digests posts recycling saving
Message-ID: <38BD1B06.DB2655E7@bellatlantic.net>
Uroborosss@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
>
> > Naturally, everyone believes what you wrote because you're venerated
> > and institutionalized on this forum.
Institutionalized? Hhmmmmm did you people know that Bafu and Moshie
broke out of their comfy cushy rooms at the YtseJam Old Farts Mental
Institute?
> >
> > Did that come out right?...Guess so.
nope....ya got some on the floor over there.
>
> I could say "I am Dr. Mosh" and people would probably believe me. :)
Naaaaah......I met the Doc and I met you....and I barely survived with
my life! ;) Actually there are 3 Jammers who post here who are
guaranteed to have their posts archived in my Ytsejam Mailbox, Bafu,
Dr. Mosh and Eckie. Posts from these 2 are always razor sharp in their
wit. Glad to see all 3 of my favorite posters are back!
Coldie
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:49:35 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: McD's
Message-ID: <004001bf8384$fc06f7a0$0200010a@steve>
> here we go again, one of my favourite themes. How many
> people out there eat franchised hamburgers and pizzas?
> And how many people out there realize that this stuff
> is shit? OK. And how many of these people consume this
> stuff because it's convienient, readily available,
> they've been raised on it by the industry since kids,
> and because they can't be bothered to shift their
> butts into the kitchen and make something much better
> themselves? My case rests, your Honour. To put it
> in an oversimplified form:
Yeah, but wouldn't that apply only to people consume fast food/junk food 3
meals a day, 7 days a week? Even though it would be good for them to go
into the kitchen and make themselves something. After all, you don't see
too many Britney Spears fans or Backstreet Boys fans popping some Dream
Theater into the player because it would be good for them.
Sure, many of us eat fast food. But we NEED to eat (as opposed to we don't
need to listen to music). And most of us realize it's not good for us, but
fast food is a necessary evil for those of us who commute or don't have a
lot of free time.
(Neil, I don't mean to imply that you have nothing better to do than make
yourself some good food! I'm sure you have a life.)
> And before people question my personal stance, no, I
> never eat junk food or drink cola.
That's cool, and admirable. I keep trying to eliminate caffeine and/or
fried foods from my diet, but I can never seem to do it for more than a few
weeks.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:48:43 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Cars, men, electricy.
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB5898@ms.kallback.com>
> Fast fact (on a mildly related note): Did you know Carmen Electra has
> an album? I found it at the radio station the other night. Pretty scary
> stuff.
>
Scarier is her movie, The Chosen One:Legend of the Raven.
Not bad sex scenes, but unfortunately it is a body-double.
It is on Troma Films, home of the Toxic Avenger and other
fine films. Just released on DVD is Matt Stone's (South Park)
Cannibal: The Musical. One of the funniest movies I've ever
seen.
Trevor woships at the Church of Mosh.
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:10:07 -0600
From: "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Whining about the crowds...
Message-ID: <CF2C9F6501B6D211862500805F15297F03EB3A8B@ustcax09.kcc.com>
> There were tons of teenagers there. They didn't bother, but the
> people who kept shoving me out of the way to go get another beer did. One
> guy changed positions three times in the show, always going to stand in
front
> of the shortest person in his general area. I can take people drinking at
> the show, or smoking, but at least pick a spot and stay there.
This really isn't directed specifically at the author above, but to the
dozens of people that have complained about the crowds at Dream Theater
shows. I read all of these posts and have to wonder - have any of your EVER
been to a club show before? Wow, people jostling to get back into the crowd
after pissing or a beer run. Wow, people singing too loudly and maybe
dancing a little too vigorously. Wow, somebody actually SMOKING POT at a
ROCK concert - horror of fucking horrors!!!
Club shows are ALWAYS like what I just described above, assuming the show
attendance and energy is high (ie, at good shows). I love General Admission
shows because it gives you a chance to move around and check the band out
from different places - floor, balcony, etc. You're not tied to a seat
which is good, especially if you got crappy seats. You meet people (ie,
other Jammers) much more easily at a GA show. So my advice to all the
whiners is to just get over it - welcome to the rock'n'roll club scene.. If
you don't like it: 1) go to the back 2) don't go at all (no one likes the
guy giving them the evil eye through the show because they're having a good
time - so good riddance), 3) get used to the club scene - it ain't changing
no matter how much you bitch... Obviously I'm not talking about tolerating
behavior that could really cause some damage (moshing, crowd surfing, all
that crap), but people just need to be more tolerant. Most folks only get
to see DT once every couple of years (except for the poor, neglected Aussies
who definitely need some attention), so cut 'em some damned slack when
they're getting into the show. Not everyone wants to stand still at a show
like they've got a huge stick up their ass - that's what your friggin'
living room is for...
Sheesh...
Atlanta - 12 hours and counting! woohoo!
Orlando - 60 hours and counting! woohoo x 2!
Adam Pye
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:26:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5357
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0003010920470.10437-100000@gs.bass.org>
Mike's email address is Portnoy420@aol.com. He might be a little busy
right now [something about a tour?], but I'm sure he still checks his
mail. I wouldn't recommend bugging him without asking the jam first. He
does read the jam and posts occasionally, which is how I learned his
address.
paul
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Father, I/ killed my monkey
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:29:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Doh
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0003010927350.10437-100000@gs.bass.org>
My head was not in the right place when I sent that. That was private
mail. Blame Pine, not me. :)
Where's that recall mail button?
paul
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Father, I/ killed my monkey
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:29:57 -0500
From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Whining about the crowds...
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000301092743.00ab6ca0@pop.ecosoft.com>
I totally agree about the bitching part. Tis why at the show I went to i
decided that if the crod in front moshing and such was detracting from my
enjoyment of the show i'd move. On a side note about kids. There were about
7 or 8 under 18 year olds standing with me and they were pretty cool. They
weren't the ones causing havoc and such. I was focusing more on listening
than eyeballing who was trying to recreate an epileptic rhino mating dance..
At 06:16 AM 3/1/00 -0800, Pye, Adam wrote:
> > There were tons of teenagers there. They didn't bother, but the
> > people who kept shoving me out of the way to go get another beer did. One
> > guy changed positions three times in the show, always going to stand in
>front
> > of the shortest person in his general area. I can take people drinking at
> > the show, or smoking, but at least pick a spot and stay there.
>
>This really isn't directed specifically at the author above, but to the
>dozens of people that have complained about the crowds at Dream Theater
>shows. I read all of these posts and have to wonder - have any of your EVER
>been to a club show before? Wow, people jostling to get back into the crowd
>after pissing or a beer run. Wow, people singing too loudly and maybe
>dancing a little too vigorously. Wow, somebody actually SMOKING POT at a
>ROCK concert - horror of fucking horrors!!!
>
>Club shows are ALWAYS like what I just described above, assuming the show
>attendance and energy is high (ie, at good shows). I love General Admission
>shows because it gives you a chance to move around and check the band out
>from different places - floor, balcony, etc. You're not tied to a seat
>which is good, especially if you got crappy seats. You meet people (ie,
>other Jammers) much more easily at a GA show. So my advice to all the
>whiners is to just get over it - welcome to the rock'n'roll club scene.. If
>you don't like it: 1) go to the back 2) don't go at all (no one likes the
>guy giving them the evil eye through the show because they're having a good
>time - so good riddance), 3) get used to the club scene - it ain't changing
>no matter how much you bitch... Obviously I'm not talking about tolerating
>behavior that could really cause some damage (moshing, crowd surfing, all
>that crap), but people just need to be more tolerant. Most folks only get
>to see DT once every couple of years (except for the poor, neglected Aussies
>who definitely need some attention), so cut 'em some damned slack when
>they're getting into the show. Not everyone wants to stand still at a show
>like they've got a huge stick up their ass - that's what your friggin'
>living room is for...
>
>Sheesh...
>
>Atlanta - 12 hours and counting! woohoo!
>Orlando - 60 hours and counting! woohoo x 2!
>
>
>Adam Pye
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:40:03 -0500
From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Ignorance and talent
Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMKEBGEFAA.td4235@ship.edu>
> Brittany Spears = McDonald's = industry = big profit
> Good art = good food = handmade = low profit
> Well, at least that's how I see it.
>
good way to put it. somebody ordered brittany's chest super-sized last
year.
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:50:42 +0100
From: Volker Stephan <stephav@uni-muenster.de>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: need space to sleep in OSLO/Norway!!
Message-ID: <01BF839B.B03CB000.stephav@uni-muenster.de>
Hi, there, anybody listening from NORWAY?
I'm planning to see the DT-shows in Norway, end of March, and hope to find
someone who's got space for two germans and their sleeping bags. any room
is welcome, important is for free, cause we're going to spend much money on
travelling around.
I'd like to say thanks with giving away some copies of my extensive
DT-collection. So please let me know! Other thing we could *swap* is: If
you wanna see a show in Germany, I'd offer my house for you for a night or
two as well, of course!
please answer quickly.
cheers
Volker Stephan
stephav@uni-muenster.de
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:28:58 -0500
From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: The corporately manufactured products
Message-ID: <00d001bf8392$dde1f460$0200005a@Kez>
Mr. CyberDuke shined a bright light on the jam:
>
> Also an important thing to consider is WHY companies choose these genres
> to promote? WHY exactly those genres?
> What IS really the problem?
>
> Maybe it's just very simple: Those folks really like that music! And it
> seems like those folks are huge majority in this world. Natural
> conclusion from this would be - we are the weird ones.
>
> I'm serious here. :(
>
I long ago came to grips with this very fact, and have even learned to revel
in my weirdness. Join me, won't you?
Kez
P.S. Welcome back Bafu. Nice to see you again, literally and figuratively.
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Date: 1 Mar 2000 15:43:56 -0000
From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Cool Jazz; keyboards in the Mix
Message-ID: <20000301154356.5402.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
Just out of interest, with all the jazzers on this list (this is almost certain to create a minor flame war - sorry), perhaps someone would like to point to a good place to start with the guitar-oriented jazz? Most of the Jazz I know is big-band stuff, but I was really enjoying a Pat Metheny CD, and also some of the jazz column in guitar magazines, and wondered where to go next?
>bearable. The only problem is that no
>PA + JP's 6 MesaBoogies = no Jordan
>or Myung in the mix. James was drowned
>out at times as well.
Sounds kinda' like the rendition of 6:00 on 5YIaL - arguably DT's most intractably keyboard-oriented song, and yet where the hell was Derek in that mix?!
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 07:50:12 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: dancing turtles
Message-ID: <20000301155012.66977.qmail@hotmail.com>
> > Out of sheer boredom, I decided to make a drawing based on this...
> > here's the URL:
> > http://DarkHarmony.tripod.com/imagepages/DancingTurtle.html
HA! You MUST make a T-shirt out of that! Place the dancing turtles over a
majesty symbol! I love it!
-Banjoman's favorite misheard DT lyric is in a 1993 bootleg of ACOS (the
one where James demands more applause at the end). It goes: "There was so
much leprosy, still I knew there must be more". Nevermind.
np: Majesty - Cry For Freedom.mp3
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Play it three more times and call it jazz
-Mingus, on 'wrong notes'
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:45:25 -0500
From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: McD's
Message-ID: <010101bf8395$2a83a6e0$0200005a@Kez>
Mr. Steve Z. blurted:
> Sure, many of us eat fast food. But we NEED to eat (as opposed to we don't
> need to listen to music)
This is blasphemy, bordering on sacrilege, or something like that. I,
personally, NEED to listen to music, or sanity would be just a memory, if
that. Music is as essential to me as air. And I'm serious, too.
I'd sooner take my food away, then live with losing tunes.........
hehe
Kez
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:56:13 -0400
From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Cool Jazz; keyboards in the Mix
Message-ID: <001201bf8396$ab895360$37351ec8@yunque.net>
> Just out of interest, with all the jazzers on this list (this is almost
certain to create a minor flame war - sorry), perhaps someone would like to
point to a good place to start with the guitar-oriented jazz? Most of the
Jazz I know is big-band stuff, but I was really enjoying a Pat Metheny CD,
and also some of the jazz column in guitar magazines, and wondered where to
go next?
Maybe some Al Dimeola! ..my favorite so far is Kiss my axe, but there are
lots of other cds that usually people consider being better off his catalog.
He is a definitive MUST though..
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:19:30 -0500
From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: The English Major
Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMEEBIEFAA.td4235@ship.edu>
i feel the need to back up my friend that wrote that comical and sarcastic
review since i am the one who posted it on here...
i didn't realize that nobody is allowed to mention world war 2 just because
it is in the past. so what you are saying is that everytime somebody
mentions world war 2, the relations between the u.s. germany get worse?!
he was just using the ww2 reference as a metaphore. he didn't say that it
was a good thing. he didn't say he loves the bombing of germany. he said
nazi germany. that is what the allies were fighting against in world war 2.
maybe you are a nazi and got offended, i don't know.
anyway, you need to relax man. you have to respect the past to move towards
the future.
> > I will but try and communicate the various feelings and ideas
> > that bombarded me like the U.S over Nazi Germany, 1944. The tools I
> > have to work with, these pathetic insturments of language are a
> hinderan=
> ce
> > instead of help. However, I am am English Major. I will use what's
> > been provided. I was trained for this.
>
> These words definitely made me all the more determined in my
> opinion about=
>
> military people!
> I=B4d personally like to know out of which WW2-bunker this guy
> came creepi=
> ng
> out to spread his lousy message using such poor comparations. Very, very
> poor!
>
> I cant understand why such people are still living in the past. Such
> comments, even meant as a joke, dont improve the relationship between
> USA and Germany.
>
> If this was supposed to be a joke, please excuse that I wont
> laugh about i=
> t.
> If not, then please next time think first before writing such bullshit.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Personal replies can be sent to: schroedhelm@gmx.de
>
> A very disappointed
>
> Christoph
> from Germany
>
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:25:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Expectorations of Bafu
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0003011106280.623-100000@gs.bass.org>
Bafu made light of my expectations:
>You should have been expecting bmmmm-DA, da-NnNnN damda EEE-ma.
Well! I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! *looks at next post*
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]From: Spanish Inquisition <Leonardo@JP2.basilica.it>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Spanish Inquisition
Message-ID: <yawn.whatever.noone_reads_this_shit_anyway.org.it>
Inquisitor: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Our three chief
tactics are a fanatical devotion to the pope, the element of surprise, our
rapier wit, and the quick dispatch of heretics..four elements...damn. Can
I start again?
well, /me thought it was funny.
BV also said:
>the day of atonement is at hand.
Reminds me of a joke. The punchline is "Repaint and thin no
more." hehehehheh, er heh, hmmm. Possibly loses something in the
translation.
And BTW, I'm impressed that you save all of your correspondence. I guess I
should, since I have said some awfully clever things. But I'm a lazy
bastard.
paul
NP Peter Gabriel: Ein Deutsches Album [Hans spielt mit Lotte/ Lotte spielt
mit Joe] No use crying over spielt milk.
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Father, I/ killed my monkey
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Date: 1 Mar 2000 16:38:41 -0000
From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Suck my return key!
Message-ID: <20000301163841.13210.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>P.S.: and to "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
>*PLONK*
>you'll know what that means since you seem
>to be so intelligent
No. Enlighten us all.
>reasons:
>he never was able to figure out what the
>RETURN key is for
Some people have pointed this out to me; and wherever
possible, I remember to hit the key at the end of the
line. However, since my mail reader is capable of word-
wrap, I don't notice these things. Thanks to those who
pollitely asked; and a big fuck-you to this guy.
>he wants to be a smartass and still acts
>like a newbie
No. "please unsubscribe me from this list" - THAT'S acting like a newbie. Guilty on the smart-arse bit, though; even if you spelt it wrong.
>his overall aggressive and offensive
>posting style
You don't like my posting style? Aww...Maybe you'd like
it if we all posted in a more PC stylee? Go back to kindertgarten, kid.
~Simon
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:51:43 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: I'll give it to ya baby uh huh uh huh..
Message-ID: <38BD4A9F.89E4AE86@isd.net>
Brian Hayden wrote:
>>> /Al fucks on the first date.. To Metropolis Pt 1!
|Sheesh, like this guy's posts aren't obnoxious enough the first time
|around, now we get treated to them twice. ;P
|-Brian
Yeah yeah yeah.. That was my mistake. :) Thank you for pointing that out..
If you're ever in town... I have a hat rack, two manual egg-beaters, one large
shoehorn, 1 1/2 gallons of Slick 50, and a large wicker basket full of dried
corncobs... We're gonna party! :) Bring your Sister Sledge tapes.
"We Are Fam uh lee"
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of
that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:57:48 EST
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: vocals
Message-ID: <13.212ef19.25eea60c@aol.com>
> From: Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu>
> Subject: Passagio
>
> Example: in Scarred, when James is singing "well, we're not laughing,"
> that would be his chest voice, and then the "How come you don't
> understand me?" would be his head voice ?
Actually those are both chest-voice examples. A better example of the
difference in sound between the two voices would be the first chorus of
"Lifting Shadows Off A Dream." James uses his chest-voice to sing "Lifting
shadows off a" then switches to his head-voice for "dream." Hear the
difference? James RARELY uses his head-voice (which is sometimes called
"falsetto"). If you sing high enough, the vibrations in your chest usually
caused by singing or speaking will disappear. When you hit this lack of
vibration you have reached your head-voice.
(checks over shoulder, doesn't see Maddy anywhere)
Women supposedly do not have a falsetto.
> Is there any way to ease the jerky transition for an amateur from chest to
> head voice, so if during a verse it gradually switched one's voice wouldn't
> just either go way up stay low, as it does now ?
With vocal training it is possible to make the transition between one's
chest-voice and head-voice practically seamless. Then again, one of my
opera-trained friends says that James has four different singing voices. I
think that's a load of crap.
> Excuse me if this isn't appropriate for the jam, but maybe some other
> jammers are wannabe singers like me and find this stuff interesting.
>
> Drew
You have nothing to fear. Discussion about singing technique is a rarity
'round these parts. As a result of this low supply, the demand for such
discussion has skyrocketed. Ask any economist - keep vocal technique off your
mailing list and people will desire it more than GOLD. It's been Skadz' plan
all along. ;)
The vocals are probably the least-analyzed sonic aspect of Dream Theater, on
this list and elsewhere. This is because there are fewer singers walking the
Earth than guitarists or drummers. This is because guitarists and drummers
multiply like rabbits. (Just look at Petrucci and Portnoy - big families that
are always getting bigger!)
Lots of people can say "I like James' voice" or "I don't like James' voice,"
but they rarely talk about the subject with the depth or passion or insanity
of a ravenous bunch of guitar players comparing Morse's legato technique with
Petrucci's. Perhaps there is less competition among vocalists, so they don't
feel the need to beat the techniques to death like us Guitarists.
(Guitarists, myself included, can talk about guitar technique FOREVER. We
LIKE IT. Chris Ptacek has often daydreamed about being immortal, just so he
could sit around and talk about arpeggios for 200 years without having to
worry about death or eating.)
When it comes to DT, the drums and guitar draw much more attention, though
that's probably because (a) Portnoy is not only talented but has an extremely
outgoing attitude, and (b) there are so many guitar players on this list. And
the keyboard players? Ye gadz don't get me started, Kevin vs. Derek vs.
Jordan...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:22:13 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Awww / Rosie
Message-ID: <38BD51C5.519ABCA2@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
giant96 delivered the following infant:
> =F0,
AWWWW, isn't that just the most adorable post? :) I just want to tie it
to a leash and take it out for a walk.=20
Bradness:
> The only thing they love is money.
It's convenient to be able to find someone else upon which to place
blame. In fact, no one's holding a gun to anyone's head saying 'you must
buy this.'=20
Without demand there can be no supply. <- damn, i've been listening to
SFAM way too much lately :)
> IMO: the definition of exploitation is taking advantage of people who c=
ould
> care less whether you were taking advantage of them.=20
It's not clear whether you mean 'could care less' implies they know or
not; but assuming they do know and they don't care, I don't see how
someone is taking advantage: they're giving them advantage :)
If they don't KNOW, either through false or misleading advertising, then
I totally agree (ref: legislation which required warning labels on
cigarette packs, for instance)
> Maybe I'm too much of an idealist, but I think it's wrong.=20
As noble as that is, once you take the rose-colored glasses off you find
there's a sucker born every minute in this world and more than enough
parasites out there willing to fill a market need. What if, for example,
they end up dontaing a million of their profits to charity? Yes, of
course it most likely has no effect on the musical integrity, but for me
at least it starts to swing the ethical integrity meter a tad in the
other direction. The only place you know for sure to start with is with
that face staring back at you in the mirror. If you're happy with what
you see, then that's really all that matters.=20
Obviously 'you' is not in the literal sense above; I just hate typing
'one' all the time, it comes off cold, anal, and so grade-school like
which is the LAST thing I come here for. Plus, I think Metallica is a
forbidden subject on the jam anyways ;)
heh, Brad, you'll dig this being a theatre major (i was at one time): I
looked up 'explotation' in the dictionary and a third definition for it
is:
3. A program of publicity for a theaterical performance, popular song,
or the like.
;)
ObDTReligiousContent:
SFAM 3:16 - Thou shalt NOT care less if the rud(ess)ness of balls and
chunk exploits thy nads' ability to remain confined. Thou shalt make the
sacrificial offering of thine sack and rejoice in their release to the
higher purpose.
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:27:00 -0800
From: "Lisa Marie Palma" <firegirl@flashcom.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <002101bf83a3$5a11ff20$f9d80a0a@worldres.com>
> Is there a new Spock's album slated for 2000? What's the
> scoop on this people?
Here's an excerpt of a post from Neal Morse:
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It has 2 epics on it. "The Great Nothing" and "At the End Of The Day"
clocking in at high numbers and 4 shorter songs. One of the big
differences on this one is that we were together for more of it and not
overdubbing as separately as we have in the past. It's made it quite a
bit better and lots more fun.
Release date will be in late June.
Neal
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Lisa Marie Palma
firegirl@flashcom.net
DJ Jessie - www.ytseradio.com
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