YTSEJAM Digest 5392
Today's Topics:
1) Spanish for the dumb
by MusicSnob@aol.com
2) What the hell happened to this list?
by eckie@asu.edu
3) 6 yrs of waiting
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
4) Re: music theory
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
5) I think the answer's in my pants.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) more damn quibbling
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
7) Theory !!!?!??!
by Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
8) Re: music theory
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Re: music theory
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
10) LA "Fire Marshall" show...Any tapers?
by KyleTaraG@aol.com
11) Re: 6 yrs of waiting
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
12) The Bottom Line
by Babyfr10@aol.com
13) Re: The Mole?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Re: My take on theory
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
15) What instruments can YOU play (with)?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) theory
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
17) The Great (Theory) Debate
by Billy920@webtv.net
18) NDTC - NCAA tournament prediction contest
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
19) SM
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
20) EVH & Hendrix
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
21) Re: Theory
by alejandro.bedolla@schering.de
22) Length of concert...?
by "Anton Berglin" <con_carnage@hotmail.com>
23) When all you see are pricks, the cactus does seem like something to
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:45:39 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Spanish for the dumb
Message-ID: <a9.2ea6b80.26002923@aol.com>
Someone unclear on several concepts wrote:
>One MUST speak Spanish in order to live in Spain=20
>since most people there speak Spanish.
Oh reeeeeeeeeeeally? Not to pick nits, (well, hell, let's pick 'em!)
but what about, for one, people we used to call
"dumb" but who now go by the more pleasant term "mute"?? Do THEY
have to SPEAK Spanish to live in Spain?? Hmm? What about all the
people who live in Pa=EDs Vasco who speak Basque? Not even close to
Spanish, yet somehow they manage to live (and by living, I assume we can
agree that "being alive" is the state in opposition to "being dead"; a state=
=20
in which=20
the tongue one speaks becomes largely irrelevant) in Spain. How about
the sizable expatriate community in Spain? Must they, too, speak Spanish
to live in Spain? I think not. It might be helpful, but then you obviously=
=20
haven't
spent any time hanging out near an American Embassy in a Spanish-speaking
country, because their idea of Spanish is the Taco Bell menu, yet there they=
=20
are,=20
getting fatter and ordering Mar=EDa the maid around with gestures. I haven'=
t=20
even touched the other minority languages spoken in Spain. I think you=20
should reconsider your statement, mister.
Ah, yes, don't mess with a foreign language major -- you can order fries fro=
m=20
us, but we have the narrow linguistic stuff down ;-)
NP: Chiaroscuro - ...Darkness
Kevin, who is pondering the dichotomy of stale croutons
=20
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:58:36 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: What the hell happened to this list?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000314163651.14209A-100000@email2.asu.edu>
It sorta has its own life force, breathing in and out, with lulls in between,
where nothing entertaining is being posted, and then a resurgence of
psychobabble sludge comes back at you with the gala of a thousand and sixty
two tree monkeys stranded on a pirate ship in the middle of the gulf of
Mexico!
In other words, it's a good time to be literate :)
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, on the sandy sunny beaches of springtime Chicago, Chris
Ptacek scribbled thusly:
> And I agree fully with this. I think this is an important point, that
> we've all been trying to make in one form or another. But as far as my post
> was concerned, I was taking exception to a whole paragraph of concepts,
Come on, you were imposing your own belief system into the unenlightened with
a systematic placement of linguistics and grammar to subtley make what's his
name feel badly and stupid for what he wrote in the first place, without
actually typing, "I'm RIGHT, you FUCKING MORON!"
Just admit it ;)
> doesn't impede creativity, once you overcome your issues. It's a philosophy
> that's been around for thousands of years. In China, it's translated to
> "Empty Mind" and is discussed where it applies to martial arts and reflex
> action. The idea is that if you think about what you're going to do about
> the punch that's flying at you, you're going to get hit by the punch in mid
> thought. Bruce Lee discusses it in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, which is one of
> those books I think every human should read. More recent books that cover
> this are Effortless Mastery by Kenny Werner, Zen Guitar and The Inner Game
> of Music. If you can overcome the burden of the knowledge you possess, and
> the desire to do everything at once, and the fear of fucking up, etc, then
> you can function more fluidly as a musical person.
And I realise this debate is in regards to music, but I can't help but feel
envious of those specially gifted few like J.S. Bach, Einstein, and Matt Damon
who are just really good at everything without having to learn much. Damn
them!!!
I've narrowed down the list of persona types to two categories, to simplify
my daily life to the point where the only things I have to think about are
eating, shitting, and catching Space Ghost Coast to Coast on time every night:
There are those who create,
And there are those who criticize those who create.
Just do it.
I just had an excellent idea for a cartoon involving Einstein and a bunch of
ninjas taking over a Boston deli....
> >If you have nothing to communicate, and you sit in a pot of dirt with
> nothing
> >to say, you're a cactus.
Or George W. Bush (WHOOPS wrong newsgroup for that joke heheheh....)
:^X
> Theory won't replace work... on the contrary, theory requires MORE work.
> But when you learn a new concept you often are able to create new pieces of
> music that you wouldn't have been able to, previously.
So basically, you're saying, uh, if you keep your mind open and force
yourself to learn new things and hear new ideas, you'll be a better musician?
{:^o
Whoa, that's deep. Deeper than Britney Spears' cleavage.
> If you're refered to as "WATT" instead of "HOO," you're a cactus!
Or more likely, you're the product of a potential difference applied across an
electric current.
And that's the point I was trying to get to!
New Pantera rocks hard!
~Dr. Eckie
phD in NDTC Bullshit
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:16:52 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: 6 yrs of waiting
Message-ID: <20000314.182034.12926.2.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
wow,
I remeber being in 8th grade in 1994 reading about Poison's new album
they were recording, Crack a Smile. While sitting there in LA history in
never imagined that 6 yrs later, being a sopohmore in college, I would
now just be byuing the album. Thats right, this CD has been sitting in
the Capital vaults for 6 yrs now. Blues Sarenceno is an awesome "feel"
guitarist, and the band seems to be having fun. The album is very
enjoyable to listen to, especially the cover of Dr. Hook's "Cover of a
the Rolling Stone". The CD has 2 b-sides from the album, an un-named
demo, a b-side from open up and say ahh and 4 unplugged tracks. Since I
couldn't find the Platypus CD, I bought this one. Oh well.
Kurt
NP-Posion Crack a Smile "Face the Hangman"
"and though it leads to nowhere,
you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone"
"Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred"
45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:23:47 -0500
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: music theory
Message-ID: <38CEE623.25B2921F@yunque.net>
Kenn de Mello wrote:
> I agree with much of what is being said supporting theory on this list,
> except for the analogies. I was thinking about it last night and came up
> with this: Why is music theory called music theory and not music law?
> Because it is a theory.
Although i agree with what you have to say, i think its called theory as
opossed to "practice". The same way you take theory exams and practice exams
when getting your license, or in medical school and whatnot. I dont think the
connotation (sp?) of theory points to theory as opossed to law or fact, at
least in this case.
Come into this night, Your plight alone
Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us
Come into this night, You only home
It)Bīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss
Opeth : Benighted
Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc.
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:26:31 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: I think the answer's in my pants.
Message-ID: <001f01be6e7a$83648120$0201010a@chuck>
> I think Lynch is a pretty good example of a player who has built
> a career on tricks. See? No theory.
Take note of the word >THINK< here. :)
> I think Yngwie plays with a HELL of a lot more emotion than
> George Lynch!
Once again, I see this word >THINK<. Hmmm, I see a pattern forming.
Later, he attacks someone's opinion with:
>This is outright speculation. No basis in fact whatsoever.
OH YEAH! Steve Z. defeats his own arguments once again! Boo yah! :)
Dude, Steve. I need to let you borrow my Penilongulator one of these days.
:) You sure seem to have alot of DSB built up. hehehehe. Take a chill and
quit getting so uptight when people don't agree with you. And do something
about that line wrapping, it's damn annoying. (Note that >I< don't >think<
it's annoying. It just is).
-- KorgX3 hates having to edit line wraps out of people's replies. "Where others just throw opinions, I prefer to throw hand grenades."------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:38:01 -0800 From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: more damn quibbling Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000314163801.00b9d830@pop>
Kenn Sed:
> I agree with much of what is being said supporting theory on this list, >except for the analogies. I was thinking about it last night and came up >with this: Why is music theory called music theory and not music law? >Because it is a theory. There is no right or wrong and no absolute that is >valid or invalid in every case. Sure the I-IV-V chord progression sounds >good, but it is not the right progression for every piece of music ever.
Actually, that is a common misinterpretation of the word "theory" -- Theory is not synonymous with "opinion" or "guess" -- a theory is something that has enough experience backing it up that it is accepted as valid. It is as close as you can get to a "truth" in a theoretical area (please pardon the self-referential definition). Of course it can be revised, corrected, updated, etc.
A "Law" would be something more like a collection of facts, such as "if you continue around the cycle of fifths, you eventually get back to the note you started at (though several octaves higher)"
(yeah, I'm quibbling a bit about the definition of the word theory, but many people don't get it, and "it's only a theory" is one of the more offensive and ignorant things a person can say.)
Music Theory never (and I mean NEVER) says you "must" do something, or that you "cannot" do something else. A statement like "A dominant fifth chord resolves to the root" doesn't mean that you have to always go to the root, it just means that for the most "pleasant" or "natural" sounding resolution, you go to the root. If your music does not want to sound "pleasant" or "natural" you are free to go elsewhere. You should just keep these things in mind.
If you are writing something, and are trying to come up woth what chord to go to next, music theory can _help_ you be creative by offering suggestions. Do I want to be pleasant? Do I want to be agressive? Do I want to sound more major or minor? Do I want to imply a key change? It allows you to take all the near infinite variety of chords out there and help you to determine which might be the most effective for the mood you are trying to convey in the piece.
My one buck, two cents and a side order of fries.
~Chris
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:45:45 +0200 From: Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Theory !!!?!??! Message-ID: <38CEDD39.DCB21F26@ispro.net.tr>
im really bored to see theory posts i guess i`ll set a filter for subjects contains `theory`
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:10:37 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: music theory Message-ID: <000d01bf8e1b$45d34c80$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> Kenn de Mello wrote: > > > I agree with much of what is being said supporting theory on this list, > > except for the analogies. I was thinking about it last night and cam= e up > > with this: Why is music theory called music theory and not music law= ? > > Because it is a theory. > > Although i agree with what you have to say, i think its called theory a= s > opossed to "practice". The same way you take theory exams and practic= e exams > when getting your license, or in medical school and whatnot. I dont thi= nk the > connotation (sp?) of theory points to theory as opossed to law or fact,= at > least in this case. >
Music is not medicine, I am not going to kill somebody if I don't resolve the leading tone properly the way I would if I goofed in the OR. That is the point I was making. Analogies are useless when talking about music theory.
Main Entry: the=B7o=B7ry Pronunciation: 'thE-&-rE, 'thi(-&)r-E Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -ries Etymology: Late Latin theoria, from Greek theOria, from theOrein Date: 1592 1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another *2 : abstract thought : SPECULATION 3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or a= n art <music theory> 4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn= > *b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances = -- often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all> *=3Dimportant!!!
You don't do music the same way you do anything else!!!!!!! Stop saying = you do! YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!
Give it up.
Kenn
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:28:55 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: music theory Message-ID: <38CEF567.763CD4C5@yunque.net>
Kenn de Mello wrote:
Music is not medicine, I am not going to kill somebody if I don't
> resolve the leading tone properly the way I would if I goofed in the OR. > That is the point I was making. Analogies are useless when talking about > music theory.
Youve managed to misunderstand a simple thing again. I was NEVER referring to the meaning of the word theory as related to its relevance in creating music! What im talking about is that the word THEORY in MUSIC THEORY refers solely to academics. When you are in college studying music, you take THEORY AND SIGHTREADING and you take "practice" classes like ensemble and what not. This has NOTHING , i repeat NOTHING to do with whatever debate is going on about how you need to learn music theory or not in order to create music. i was just stating that the word THEORY in Music THEORY does not refer to a theory in the same sense that you may refer to the theory of evolution, or whatever other one. I think most people understood what i meant, why couldnt you?
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home It)Bīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:30:26 EST From: KyleTaraG@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: LA "Fire Marshall" show...Any tapers? Message-ID: <76.22a86eb.260041b2@aol.com>
Did anyone tape the Los Angeles show that was cut short by Fire Marshall? I'm desperately looking for a copy...please email me privately. Thanks -Kyle kyletarag@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:41:30 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: 6 yrs of waiting Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10003142041140.11989-100000@vineyard.ecosoft.com>
8th grade in 1994?
damn you just aged me in one post.. i feel like Metzger now..
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Kurt M Hampton wrote:
> > wow, > I remeber being in 8th grade in 1994 reading about Poison's new album > they were recording, Crack a Smile. While sitting there in LA history in > never imagined that 6 yrs later, being a sopohmore in college, I would > now just be byuing the album. Thats right, this CD has been sitting in > the Capital vaults for 6 yrs now. Blues Sarenceno is an awesome "feel" > guitarist, and the band seems to be having fun. The album is very > enjoyable to listen to, especially the cover of Dr. Hook's "Cover of a > the Rolling Stone". The CD has 2 b-sides from the album, an un-named > demo, a b-side from open up and say ahh and 4 unplugged tracks. Since I > couldn't find the Platypus CD, I bought this one. Oh well. > > Kurt > NP-Posion Crack a Smile "Face the Hangman" > "and though it leads to nowhere, > you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone" > "Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred" > 45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:05:36 EST From: Babyfr10@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Bottom Line Message-ID: <c8.261a4fc.260049f0@aol.com>
Ok guys - I know some of you have been losing sleep over this theory string so I though I'd lay down the bottom line... << but you can't say that theory necessarily WILL limit someone who learns it. Some people reject it, some live by it...And the rest of us are aware of it and use it as another tool in the box. >> This argument on theory has been going on in all types of music for centuries. Bottom line - theory is a TOOL - It is NOT a requirement. Some composers spend their entire lives learning theory, only to abandon it when it comes to writing. The results of this are the many different kinds of music out there - and diversity is a GOOD thing. Please - lets move on people - no more judging others and trying to prove who is the biggest theory stud - take a step back boys!!!!!:-) Sarah
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:09:05 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Mole? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003142208001.17011-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Steven Zebrowski wrote:
> > I think for most (if not all) people it does certainly hinder > > experimenting. > > If I've said it once, I've said it 6.23 x 10^23 times: The theory > does not limit you! Your decisions to follow it blindly are what > limit you!
Steven, if you were trying to say a Mole times, then it's 6.02 x 10^23 times, not 6.23 :)
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "Prayer has no place in school, just like facts have no place in religion." - Superintendant Chalmers from "The Simpsons" -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:58:19 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: My take on theory Message-ID: <38CF186B.8490F3BA@wezl.org>
My take on theory (the easy version) 1. I played drums, and nothing else 2. I was conned into taking music theory by my oplder sister 3. I damn near failed my music theory class 4. I somehow BARELY passed Theory I and went on to theory II 5. took Theory I over again 6. It all seemed to make sense all of the sudden 7. Learned how to play keyboards, guitar, base, and music composition
So in a nutshell...Theory SUX!!! Especially when you are clueless about it, and don't understand it...HOWEVER once you figure it out...it's PRICELESS! I would venture to say Music Theory isn't required to make a musician, but it will REALLY open your eyes to new ideas, concepts, and ways of thinking...and like anything else in life, the more you know...
Like DT says "Find all you need in your mind...if you take the time"
Robert Denni wrote: > > I don't understand why some people are so against learning theory. It > sounds like people think once you learn theory, you become an analitical > computer and have no feeling. Look at it this way, it can't hurt to > learn some basic theory. You can learn the rules, and then choose to > ignore them. I'm a drummer, but I know enough theory where I can say to > the guitar player, "Hey that chord doesn't sound right, go to the 5 > chord" (I usually don't know the key the tune is in but I know the > progressions and before I get flamed, I have a very limited knowledge of > theory) If you can't comunicate with the musicians, you can't get your > ideas across. Its like being in a room where everyone speaks another > language and your stuck because you can't express your thoughts . > Learning ANYTHING can only make you a better, well informed person, > regardless of what you do with that knowledge.
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:32:24 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: What instruments can YOU play (with)? Message-ID: <001001bf8e3f$da3985f0$7a0d84d0@default>
> 7. Learned how to play keyboards, guitar, base, and music composition
Whoah! I thought I was the only one who liked to play base! :) Which base do you play? I like third base the best. :) Too bad I don't have one of my own, I'd never leave the house all day! -- KorgX3 has the fastest fingers in the west.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:43:06 +1100 From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: theory Message-ID: <38CF22EA.F973137F@alphalink.com.au>
Well the problem here is the definition of musician. So I checked the dictionary and it does indeed say someone who is trained in music and especially someone who plays proffessionally. Maybe I used the term too loosely.
> Van Halen knows theory, I think. Jeff Beck is a great guitarist and an interesting composer. I like both of them > and it's fair enough to make an exception for Beck (even > if I'm sure he knows the rudiments of theory). I'd call > them both musicians. Hendrix, on the other hand, was a > guitarist. And a producer at a stretch.
Why? Hendrix played music proffessionally. He was trained in making music (self-trained by ear). Why was he not a musician? He produced. Why would he only be a producer at a stretch. You don't have to have a certificate that says 'I am a musician', to be one.
> nobody will defend them. Theory, like chops, are a very > bad thing in the wrong hands. Can you spell Yngvie, kids?
]From what I know of Malmsteen I think he doesnt actually use a lot of theory in his playing and your use of him is a bad example (although I know the type of people you mean). I think Malmsteen mostly plays by ear and improvises the majority of his solos, which he learnt to do by LISTENING to classical music and copying it, not by studying theory books. This is one of things that makes Malmsteen stand out above many other shredders who learnt neo-classical by reading transcriptions (most likely of Malmsteen).
> Have you ever heard of > a session musician who doesn't know a fair amount of > theory? They have to understand what is required quickly > and easily, and theory vastly aids this. That, you see, is > the fundamental difference between a PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN > and SOMEONE WHO PLAYS AN INSTRUMENT.
Of course its obvious that a session musician must know theory. Thats what I said, if it applies to what you want to do then learn it, but if it doesnt dont. Musical training does not just include theory. If you leave theory out of your musical training and instead learn something else you have every right to still call yourself a musician.
> Theory only hinders experimenting if you treat it as 'rules' rather than > 'suggestions'. > I guess the bottom line is this: if you don't know theory, and you are > perfectly happy with your writing/playing(before you flame me, I don't mean > TECHNICAL playing) ability, then don't learn it.
This is what ive been saying! The person who originally started the thread was, if i rembember correctly a bass player who had been playing for ages by ear. That, to me, is a great ability. If he wants to learn theory sure he should, but if he feels that he's comfortable with playing be ear then thats even better.
> > Steve Z >
Your post was to stupid for me to reply to. In an intelligent argument statements such as "Hendrix blows" and "that music sucks" do not go a long away.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:22:19 -0500 (EST) From: Billy920@webtv.net To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Great (Theory) Debate Message-ID: <21575-38CF1E0B-20176@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Greetings All When asking about the importance of theory I had no idea the response would be so great but I must say I for one have found it to be very helpful in understanding the need for it. As far as having "the right" to call myself a muscician I believe I said "of sorts" Meaning I get paid to do it< but I understand that as far as being a professional I am not. Such as one who builds birdhouses to sell at market is not neccessarily a carpenter. I simply love music & am inspired by classical & progressive artists. Theory is something I know that I "need" but I feel that since I have gonethis long (12 yrs ) without it I may be set in my ways too much. I geuss my question should have been more like.... How can I learn more about theory? Are there any good books on the subject? BTW thanks to Kenn de Mello for the site. Anyway sorry if my ignorance was too profound but hey I geuss I'm still learnig.
'night all Billy
"Our ways are not your ways" Count Dracula
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:26:44 -0600 From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: NDTC - NCAA tournament prediction contest Message-ID: <38CF3B34.9AC8BAA2@earthlink.net>
Hello, all. I'd like to personally invite anyone who's interested to join the Ytsejam PROGnostication group. The deadline is very near (sometime before the first game), but you've got plenty of time to make your picks if you join now. Much like the NFL game, I'm going to offer a prize to the winner consisting of a free bootleg from my collection, but unlike the NFL game, you only need to make your picks once, and that's all.
If you're interested, go to http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/men/ (sign up for a free Yahoo user ID if you haven't already done so), and make your picks. After you make your picks, you'll then be asked if you want to join a group. Our group ID is 18906, and the password is (what else?) "bafu".
Sorry about the NDTC, this is the only time I'll send this message to the jam.
Take care, everyone, Mark Peters epididymisle@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:13:01 +0100 From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SM Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC4B06@julia.um.be>
>>>WHAT THE FUCK DOES DIFFERENT TYPES OF MUSIC >>>HAVE ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT THIS?????? > >Someone learned how to use the caps lock key this morning... >;) Nono, he forgot how to turn it off ... :)
BTW, I bought Metallica's S&M because my girlfiend asked for it... Al it does to me is make me want to listen to these good old vinyl albums containing that excellent metal like Ktulu, Master, ... Don't see the point in this album. Really.
HeinV
NP. Divided (Lemur Voics) - hi Brian !
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Date: 15 Mar 2000 10:18:32 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: Ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: EVH & Hendrix Message-ID: <20000315101832.19183.qmail@musone.chek.com>
>with me. A talented guitarist at that. Eddie is a >musician. What makes everyone think that EVH doesn't >know theory? And Hendrix blows.
After all, he's classicaly trained on piano, isn't he? And they are kinda' intensive on theory with classical training.
You're gonna get burned over that Hendrix comment...Can join you on the pyre? It pisses me off that some blues guitarist gets called the absolute master of guitar ever just 'cos he died young. Page was FAR more innovative as a guitarist and a composer, AND had just as good chops as Hendrix IMO.
~Simon
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:38:22 -0300 From: alejandro.bedolla@schering.de To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Theory Message-ID: <C12568A3.00404DD5.00@BE2314.schering.de>
>> I read once that George Lynch didn=B4t made it with Ozzy, >> 'cause he didn't know "theory"... and the guy knows how to play, and I >> think he has good stuff.
Steve Z wrote: >George Lynch has always struck me as little more than a "guitar > head." > His technique is ok, but I think he's a lousy composer and I > don't think > he has much of a sense of melody. > I think Yngwie plays with a HELL of a lot more emotion than > George Lynch! > Sure, some of Yngwie's songs suck, and a lot of them sound the > same.
I didn't meant to say that George was better than Yngwie or viceversa! I only wanted to put some examples on what theory can do or cannot do... Thanxs Steve for your putting my words in a better way... I also think Yngwie is one of the most influential guitarist (i.e Michael Romeo, Joe Stomp, John Petrucci...), although it's not my favorite one (neither George). They just came out...
Cheers, ABM
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:18:56 GMT From: "Anton Berglin" <con_carnage@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Length of concert...? Message-ID: <20000315131856.74904.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello jammers,
I wondered if anyone could tell me how long the DT concert is, including the Dregs (and the Star People, dunno if they will be coming along to Sweden)? I need to know for my train ticket booking...
Private email is cool (if you don't feel you should enlighten the whole 'jam of this truly invaluable fact).
Vi ses i Stockholm!
/Anton
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:03:14 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: When all you see are pricks, the cactus does seem like something to Message-ID: <38CF9822.F5E6BAE6@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
..
In fact, some species of cactii have edible fruit :P
In coolness, The American Heritage Dictionary's entry for 'cactus' came immediately following 'cacophony.' :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ]From the GUITARAPALOOZA mailling list [with a little editing to make URLs looks all perty...hope I spelled 'perty' right, anal breath ;)]
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Regards, Jon -- "The only difference between theory and practice is that in theory there isn't any."
"The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage."
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