YTSEJAM Digest 5393
Today's Topics:
1) and maybe even manage raise your conscious level <funky stacatto brass>
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) babyfr10
by Dustro2@aol.com
3) but, of course, i'm the true source of truth, not you ;)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) Yngwie/Lynch
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
5) For English Jammers...
by "Lorenzo Zoli" <lorenzozoli@hotmail.com>
6) Re: Hendrix
by Fett2002@aol.com
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5392
by CBMMike@aol.com
8) Loud Removal...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
9) RE: Hendrix
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
10) Ron Thal (NDTC)
by "Magnus Persson" <magnus.persson@mbox7.swipnet.se>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5392
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
12) Criticism
by "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@maine.edu>
13) Euro Show Opening Act
by Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
14) Re:YTSEJAM digest 5392
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
15) Re: Length of concert...?
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5392
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
17) Theory vs. APPLICATION ;)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
18) Labrie Website
by MelodyDrone@cs.com
19) New satch
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
20) Nicholas' radio
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
21) Re: What instruments can YOU play (with)?
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
22) Re: Nicholas' radio (A SFAM plot theory)
by "Michele Moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
23) Re: Nicholas' radio
by "Michele Moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
24) Re: Nicholas' radio
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:08:04 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: and maybe even manage raise your conscious level <funky stacatto brass>
Message-ID: <38CFA754.506E82FD@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Eckie Ptang Wooop splooged forth:
> There are those who create,
> And there are those who criticize those who create.
The dude's that created (heh) the original implementation of Unix had a
system call (still available today) called 'creat' which is used to
create a file.*
You'd think the dumbass, ignorant, illiterate, fucks could have spelled
the bitch right, eh? Luckily the computer has a wonderfull sense of
humor and only criticizes when you spell it wrong.....hahahahahah.....
"What is hip? <brass thingy> <- don't you theory BOYEEEESS love it when
I get technical?
Tell me, Tell me
If you think you know <brass thangy>"
..
doin' a hip trip....
maybe hipper than hip...
> Just do it.
See now you had to go and spoil a perfectly good philosohical crouton
there up above with this Nike sellout mainstream bullshyte!
BAH!
You will say 5/8 of a hail Mary and then proceed to dribble down the
court in odd time or something....
Regards,
Jon
-- #exclude <windows.h>*Yes, I left out plenty on what else the glorious 'creat' routine can do. So if you have the urge to point it all out, instead just stick a sock in it, geek face :)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:43:57 EST From: Dustro2@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: babyfr10 Message-ID: <63.2ee7535.260109bd@aol.com>
stud - take a step back boys!!!!!:-) Sarah so umm U thinken about maybe kinda wanten to......beat me up???
New Platy is sooooooooooooooo Much better than WPCTS i recon it for all jammers! Dustro
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:06:12 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: but, of course, i'm the true source of truth, not you ;) Message-ID: <38CFB4F4.A0669D2E@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I think most people understood what i meant, why couldnt you?
Carlos, Carlos, Carlos. <sigh> There ya go again confusing the jam by making sense :)
Haven't you realized yet the only way is to fire up ye 'ole Nerf Chainsaw? :P
Misunderstanding - n. A common pathology found on Internet mailing lists.
Cultural Anthroplogists have little fossil, errr, fecal remains, to determine with any degree of certainty if they 'theories' (BWHAHAHAHA) are, in fact, fact :P
Some argue the origins of such conditions stems from some or all of :
- 'not being able to step out of the box' , or
- 'not being able to see the forest from the trees' , or
- 'too anal to see outside oneself for one microsecond, cut someone some fucking slack, don't JUDGE their words on one post because they didn't phrase something they way Professor Z. commanded them to, perhaps attempt to FIND OUT more about what the rest of the fallible human meant before jumping down their shit.
takes too long? go whack off in the bathroom instead and think about then... i'd argue, at worst, that it only takes much fewer additional posts to get clarification as it does to see the ensuing flame war ;)
-'i have a theory and it is mine. would you like to hear it?' TOO BAD, YOU'RE GOING TO ANYWAY!!!! ;)
-'i NEED to get off on the emotional buttons i push' :P
If I want efficiency, I'll go by a friggin' Fedders' Air Conditioner...
It's not the pitch, it's the delivery. How many times must I ram it down your throat before you understand? <grin> Isn't it funny how people react to your delivery? Or was a The Tubes song that went something like "It's how you do me"
Have a nice day, Willllllllllburrr :)
This post brought to by the latest release of Microsoft's Truth Generator. Not to be used in a 'safety-of-life' application :)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:03:02 -0300 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Yngwie/Lynch Message-ID: <B96423E7DD9F3D11DA0E0005B803B365@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>> nobody will defend them. Theory, like chops, are a very >> bad thing in the wrong hands. Can you spell Yngvie, kids? > >]From what I know of Malmsteen I think he doesnt actually use a lot >of theory in his playing >and your use of him is a bad example (although I know the type of >people you mean). I >think Malmsteen mostly plays by ear and improvises the majority of >his solos, which >he learnt to do by LISTENING to classical music and copying it, not >by studying theory books.
Yeah, he did learn almost everything he knows by listening to classical music, and he does improvise, in his words: "Every solo I record"... But he does know quite a bit of theory, just check his columns on Guitar World, particularly the ones where he transcribed Paganini's "The 5th Caprice in A minor" (not sure that's the correct name)... He may not have studied theory books, but he does know his share of theory...
>I think Yngwie plays with a HELL of a lot more emotion than > George Lynch!
Man, by saying that you're saying George Lynch is a computer... It's pretty cool seeing Yngwie play, mainly because he does something I can't do, which is shred the hell off his guitar, but he shows absolutely no emotion in his solos... All he does is go on stage, or into the studio, and start shredding, which, to me, is pretty entertaining, but only for a while...
>I also think Yngwie is one of the most influential guitarist (i.e >Michael Romeo, Joe Stomp, John Petrucci...)
No doubt about that, he was responsible for starting the whole shred-mania of the 80's... And every shredded who's come up since he released "Rising Force" has been influenced by him, in some sort of way...
Later, Adriano
"A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush your mind right down the drain" DREAM THEATER Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your 100MB FREE Internet storage! Sign up now - http://www.netdrive.com/?ao=zzn
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:05:40 CET From: "Lorenzo Zoli" <lorenzozoli@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: For English Jammers... Message-ID: <20000315170540.29437.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi Jammers, I was wondering if anyone of you, out there, is planning to go to the gig in Nottingham on the 5th of April. I'm not sure yet if I can go but I'd like to receive some informations about it. Maybe we could meet there before the concert. E-mail me privately.
Cheers Lorenzo
P.S. Wowwww! The jem is well full of theorists!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:06:00 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Hendrix Message-ID: <84.2985771.26011cf8@aol.com>
Simon: << You're gonna get burned over that Hendrix comment...Can join you on the pyre? It pisses me off that some blues guitarist gets called the absolute master of guitar ever just 'cos he died young. Page was FAR more innovative as a guitarist and a composer, AND had just as good chops as Hendrix IMO. >>
I don't think Hendrix is known as one of the best guitar players ever just becasue he died young. He had an incredible reputation way before the time he died. And I'll think you'd find that Jimmy Page would admit that he learned a lot of things from listening to Hendrix playing, and that he was very influential to him. Hendrix IMO paved the way for guys like Page. -Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:10:26 EST From: CBMMike@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5392 Message-ID: <6a.11b2af0.26011e02@aol.com>
FOR THE THIRD TIME...PLESE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:29:24 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Loud Removal... Message-ID: <245F7E2FFC57D311A6DF0090273628B03BF552@AMSC_NTAS>
> FOR THE THIRD TIME...PLESE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST
You know, no matter how many times I see it, this never ceases to be humorous.
NO!
Mike
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:34:51 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Hendrix Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117C1F@MESSAGING>
> I don't think Hendrix is known as one of the best guitar players ever just
> becasue he died young. He had an incredible reputation way before the time he > died. And I'll think you'd find that Jimmy Page would admit that he learned a > lot of things from listening to Hendrix playing, and that he was very > influential to him. Hendrix IMO paved the way for guys like Page. > -Mike C.
Yes, he was innovative and influential in his time, as well as a kick-ass player, but is Hendrix the best guitarist ever, or even one of the best? I think not...
David
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:39:05 +0100 From: "Magnus Persson" <magnus.persson@mbox7.swipnet.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ron Thal (NDTC) Message-ID: <38CFD8C9.9358.2075C74@localhost>
I picked up Ron Thal's "Hermit" the other day, and this disc just keeps growing on me. Good stuff. Now I wonder how "Adventures of Bumblefoot" is compared to this one, is it in the same vein or is it different?
-- Magnus Persson Now Playing: John Scofield - "Time on my Hands"
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:52:55 -0500 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5392 Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000315125230.00a88310@pop.ecosoft.com>
At 09:21 AM 3/15/00 -0800, CBMMike@aol.com wrote:
>FOR THE THIRD TIME...PLESE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST
Plese is swedish for DON'T, right ?
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:05:50 -0500 From: "Joe Latuscha" <Joseph.Latuscha@maine.edu> To: <ytsejam@TORCHSONG.COM> Subject: Criticism Message-ID: <001101bf8ea9$1ac99920$75c56f82@umf.maine.edu>
Fellow Ytse-Jammers, I try to read the newsletters objectively, not getting into all of the babbing confilcts among others, but in recent days, and weeks, it has become agrevating. I get a mailing in the morning, and sit and read through the items in the contents, then trash it because I know 90% is all criticism. When I first subscribed a few years ago, this was a fun mailing to read because of all of its information content on the bands that we like, but has become tedious in its nature to the point where it almost hurts to read it. I read one article that got into litterary analysis, my question is, "What the fuck ever happened to musical analysis?" To end this short pesimistic note on the upside, anyone have a copy of the new Joe Satriani album, and if so, how is it. Sorry if this a suprising question to some people, but I (a) go to college in the woods of Maine (yes it is a bit secluded in comparison to Ocean City, New Jersey), and (b) there is only one music store in town and they have next to nothing (and when I say town. I mean town...). Have a good one and I hope my small blip of oppinion helps some see a new light...
Joe Latuscha
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:01:12 +0100 From: Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Euro Show Opening Act Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000315190112.0073661c@online.no>
>I wondered if anyone could tell me how long the DT concert is, including the >Dregs (and the Star People, dunno if they will be coming along to Sweden)? I >need to know for my train ticket booking...
I do not know that, BUT, just for your information, the opening act at the europeean shows will be Spock's Beard, not the Dregs and/or the Star People.
< flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 >
"Working with John is like taking a shower. It's something you do." - John Petrucci about Myung
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Date: 15 Mar 2000 18:19:37 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:YTSEJAM digest 5392 Message-ID: <20000315181937.26074.qmail@musone.chek.com>
>From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> >Subject: I think the answer's in my pants. > >> I think Lynch is a pretty good example of a >>player who has built a career on tricks. > >Take note of the word >THINK< here. :) > >>I think Yngwie plays with a HELL of a lot more >>emotion than George Lynch! > >Once again, I see this word >THINK<. Hmmm, I see a pattern forming. > >Later, he attacks someone's opinion with: >>This is outright speculation. No basis in fact >>whatsoever. > >OH YEAH! Steve Z. defeats his own arguments once again! Nah, that was different, Korg. He's just saying that the comments that he's making about Lynch are In His Humble Opinion. I don't agree with him, but it's nice to see someone dropping all the "my opinion MUST BE RIGHT" bullshit (besides, I got a Patent Pending on that, guys!). But the flame you referred to was slagging someone who was talking out of his arsehole. The post was - in virtually as many words - "Music theory will limit one's creativity". Now, saying that's bull isn't in anyone's humble opinion, it's a statement of fact refuting a load of old cobblers. Even the die-hard opponents of theory on hear wouldn't support this.
>From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> >Subject: Re: My take on theory
>My take on theory (the easy version) <snip> >So in a nutshell...Theory SUX!!! Especially when >you are clueless about it, and don't understand >it...HOWEVER once you figure it out...it's PRICELESS!
I think this perfectly sums it up. Everyone thinks theory sucks until they learn it. This should be telling us some- thing, right?
I mean, be serious; when was the last time you heard a pro musician whining about how "theory ruined [his] creativity"? Well, Lars Ulrich not counted. ;)
>From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> >Subject: What instruments can YOU play (with)? > >Whoah! I thought I was the only one who liked >to play base! :) Which base
Y'know, it's strange. I've never met a guitarist who doesn't claim that he wants to play bass more often. It's like this universal mantra, like when that girl in American Pie screams "Don't stop!" - it's like, "IS THERE ANYONE WHO DOESN'T SAY IT?!", only for guitarists.
Personally, I'm leaving guitar for bass altogether...You are witnessing crucial moment in my life, these last two weeks! (Not only that, but I've got a sweet fretless Status - be jealous, be very jealous!)
]From: Mikel >Why? Hendrix played music proffessionally. He was >trained in making music (self-trained by ear).
Because - and here's the thing: - music theory means that what I can do on guitar, I can transpose pretty easily to keyboards, and vice-versa. That's the real boon of music theory; even if my chops don't support it on keys, the theory is universal. So I can approach any musical instrument, and - once I know the rudiments of the physical playing of the damned thing, it wouldn't take too long to be getting something vaguely melodic from it. Hendrix, on the other hand, played guitar, and could tinkle on the piano a little, but wouldn't have had any more than a rudimentary knowledge of how the two are the same.
>You don't have to have a certificate that says >'I am a musician', to be one.
No, you're right. You just need to be even vaguely aware of basic theoretical concepts. Something like "90% of chords can be, or *are*, built around a root and a 5th".
>From what I know of Malmsteen I think he doesnt >actually use a lot of theory in his playing
Well, I would have said Vai, but I'd have my arse burned off the 'Jam! Besides, Steve is at least interesting, even if I don't enjoy him. Yngwie, though, is VERY theoretically aware.
~Simon
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:31:43 +0000 From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Length of concert...? Message-ID: <38CFE51F.6C4E643F@sdts.nu>
Anton Berglin wrote:
> I wondered if anyone could tell me how long the DT concert is, includin= g the > Dregs (and the Star People, dunno if they will be coming along to Swede= n)? I > need to know for my train ticket booking...
I have no idea how long the show is going to be, but I wanted to inform y= ou that the support for the Stockholm show is Spock's Beard, and Spock's Beard on= ly. -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:53:41 +0000 From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5392 Message-ID: <38CFEA45.EB350735@sdts.nu>
Robb Muise wrote:
> >FOR THE THIRD TIME...PLESE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST > > Plese is swedish for DON'T, right ?
Actually, "plese" is a nick name for idiot Americans who thinks the "Swedish Chef" is really speaking Swedish.
;o)
ok, one more just to make sure
;o)
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:38:58 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Theory vs. APPLICATION ;) Message-ID: <38CFE6D2.99C8A334@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Sarah made some good points, but of course my sick mind had to search for joke fodder:
> This argument on theory has been going on in all types of music for > centuries. Bottom line - theory is a TOOL -
Exactly! Prison Sex can often be an excellent tool in driving home (heh) the point that the crime ain't worth the punishment (heh) .... :P
Nuggetman gets underneath:
>So in a nutshell...Theory SUX!!! Especially when you are clueless about >it, and don't understand it...
I imagine it's like many things. Some will have more of an affinity for it than others, so the level of initial suckage will vary from skull to skull.
I can best draw an example from my experiences with hang gliding. When we went to the school to learn, the instructor said that it's *MOST LIKELY* gonna take about three separate lessons before you are soaring. He didn't want to set up any expectations for people. A couple of us got off the ground (they start you on level ground and progressively back you up an upgrade) the afternoon of the first day...
It's not a perfect analogy. I was just interested in where Dan was coming from with the "doing" of it, not the "it". In this case here, the theoretical concepts (pitch, roll, yaw, angle of attack, ground speed, air speed, etc.) ARE law. There is one AND ONLY ONE way to do it: the right way. Nature works. You are the one that's screwed up ;) The glider works perfectly within nature. You can toss an unmanned glider off the cliff, and it does exactly what you expect it to given the theory. It's when you strap a human to it, that it gets all messed up :)
You can attempt to argue or use your A+ in formal debating or logic to try to sell your own version of how it supposed to work... And guess what? You WILL crash :)
This also had nothing to do with the value of music theory to being a musician. I'll leave the theory (heh) as to whether or not theory is necessary/sufficient/tastes_great/less_filling up to the pros :)
DTC? Hmmmm.....<pause>......hmm.....ok, next time up, I'll strap a couple of speakers to the control frame and point them downwards towards an unsuspecting community.
Imagine "Spirits rise through the air" blaring over an entire community!! :))))
Regards, Jon -- #exclude <windows.h>
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:50:53 EST From: MelodyDrone@cs.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Labrie Website Message-ID: <55.3542742.26015fbd@cs.com>
I tried www.jameslabrie.com and it is a website that will be open soon as it said, and i was wondering if anyone knew anything about when the site might be open or what will else will be included on the site
-Melody Drone
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:09:23 -0800 From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: New satch Message-ID: <04cb01bf8ed3$808310a0$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Anybody else get the new Joe Satriani? I did, and am kind of mystified by it. I guess he's trying something different. Lots of busy annoying fake drums... lots of synth/techno(sort of) programmed stuff. Some cool moments... Especially later in the disc, when the drums are less irritating. I'm trying to give it a chance, but man, some of this stuff is just SO weird... But then again, I'm narrow-minded... :-)
The theory thread was cool. I've learned a decent bit of theory along my 20 years of playing (damn, I got old fast!) and it's always been a boon, not a hinderance. That being said, the best moments (for me) have been when I'm taking a solo, and I completely get outside of my head, into that mysterious zone that Chris mentioned, and am spontaneously creating new melodies, not thinking about anything. My whole being has become what I'm playing.. And suddenly I realize what's happening, and it's gone!!!
I wish I could always find that zone... Theory does not help you get there, but I think it (and every other experience that you've had, musical or not) comes out when you do hit that zone, making what you create totally unique.
So Chris, do those books help you hit that zone? I'll have to check them out...
Paul #27 or so...Damn, there's a lot of us...
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:55:51 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Nicholas' radio Message-ID: <381181218.953168151283.JavaMail.root@web26.pub01>
There was some discussion about what music was coming through Nicholas' record player at the end of the disc. I have a better question, what is the newscaster on Nicholas' radio / tv talking about at the end of Finally Free? I THINK he's talking about the death of John F. Kennedy, Jr. and his wife. If you listen close, the first thing you can hear the announcer say is "...was a member of American nobility", then he mentions how America is "witnessing yet another tragedy in a long string of misfortune", and how "reaction around Washington is"... then Nicholas shuts it off and pours himself a drink.
What do you guys think?
-Dan.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:26:53 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: What instruments can YOU play (with)? Message-ID: <38D0385C.41337EFB@wezl.org>
Oops...that was the beer talking hehe and Home base is my favorite...just like warm apple pie 8-P`
Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> > 7. Learned how to play keyboards, guitar, base, and music composition > > Whoah! I thought I was the only one who liked to play base! :) Which base > do you play? I like third base the best. :) Too bad I don't have one of > my own, I'd never leave the house all day! > -- > KorgX3 has the fastest fingers in the west.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:16:01 -0500 From: "Michele Moran" <michele@johndoe.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Nicholas' radio (A SFAM plot theory) Message-ID: <002801bf8ef5$fd17f280$ca002640@ivan>
I agree.. I think the clip is probably talking about JFK's death.... BUT, in the context of the story, could the newscaster be talking about Edward, since he is a Senator and all?
Here's my theory (don't worry.. NOT music theory.. heh):
It's been established that Edward kills Julian and Victoria, right? I just read an interview with JP (that I THINK Korg recently sent out the URL), and he (JP) said that Edward is the killer.. so who the killer is, isn't the important plot twist (right?). Ok, so what if Edward assumes Julian's identity, I mean, they're identical twins and all, and this is happening in 1928 (forensic science was not as advanced back then), so it IS highly probable.. (right?) AND to throw the authorities even more off the trail, what if he's "conveniently" the witness?? ("Sole survivor/No witness to the crime/I must act fast to cover up/I think that there's still time") If he was in an alley way, going off to kill his brother in a fit of jealous rage, I'm pretty sure he would be in SOME sort of disguise, so the police and/or reporter wouldn't even recognize him as Edward/Julian..
(I also think he honestly didn't want to kill Victoria, but she wouldn't stop screaming: ". . ./To some woman who's screaming/A man pleads forgiveness/..")
What I haven't fit into my theory is who the older man (in Fatal Tragedy) is, and who the hypnotherapist is... it isn't clear what kind of career the REAL Julian had (none, probably..) but what if Edward/Julian went to get his MD in psychology..? (That's what psychologists have, right? An MD?) *IF* that's what happened.. then the older man and the hypnotherapist and Edward are all one and the same person..
But *IF* that's what the story is (or something close to that) it's a HUGE coincidence/fatal tragedy that Nicholas goes to him.
Although, I don't believe in coincidences... perhaps DT doesn't either.
Ok.. Please don't flame me for this.. this is just my opinion and I would love to read others' opinions and/or what y'all think of mine.
Michele
======= "All melodious poets shall be hoarse as street ballads, when once the penetrating keynote of nature and spirit is sounded - the earth-beat, sea-beat, heart-beat, which make the tune to which the sun rolls, and the globule of blood and the sap of the trees."
-- Charles Ives (essays before a sonata, 1916)
an island of calm. . . http://johndoe.org/islandofcalm/
----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Dan Costello" <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> There was some discussion about what music was coming through Nicholas' > record player at the end of the disc. I have a better question, what is the > newscaster on Nicholas' radio / tv talking about at the end of Finally Free? > I THINK he's talking about the death of John F. Kennedy, Jr. and his wife. > If you listen close, the first thing you can hear the announcer say is > "...was a member of American nobility", then he mentions how America is > "witnessing yet another tragedy in a long string of misfortune", and how > "reaction around Washington is"... then Nicholas shuts it off and pours > himself a drink.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:20:05 -0500 From: "Michele Moran" <michele@johndoe.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Nicholas' radio Message-ID: <004301bf8ef6$8d563780$ca002640@ivan>
----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Dan Costello" <axeman_dannl@juno.com> Subject: Nicholas' radio
> I THINK he's talking about the death of John F. Kennedy, Jr. and his wife. > If you listen close, the first thing you can hear the announcer say is > "...was a member of American nobility", then he mentions how America is > "witnessing yet another tragedy in a long string of misfortune", and how > "reaction around Washington is"... then Nicholas shuts it off and pours > himself a drink.
oops.. i'm a dork.. i meant to say JFK Jr's death (in the beginning of my last post)... sorry for being an idiot.
michele =========== come to dinner with me. we'll walk down the main street, all dressed up. we'll make time for coffee, i know that caffiene makes you sad but just this once, would you do that for me? 'cause up in heaven, you're a shoe-in if you open up your heart to me -- ida
an island of calm. . . http://johndoe.org/islandofcalm/
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:25:58 +0200 From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Nicholas' radio Message-ID: <38D05446.B464912B@yahoo.com>
Dan Costello wrote: > > There was some discussion about what music was coming through Nicholas' > record player at the end of the disc. I have a better question, what is the > newscaster on Nicholas' radio / tv talking about at the end of Finally Free? > I THINK he's talking about the death of John F. Kennedy, Jr. and his wife. > If you listen close, the first thing you can hear the announcer say is > "...was a member of American nobility", then he mentions how America is > "witnessing yet another tragedy in a long string of misfortune", and how > "reaction around Washington is"... then Nicholas shuts it off and pours > himself a drink. > > What do you guys think? > > -Dan.
Okay, sorry pal, but this is months ago confirmed. Yes, it really is what you suggested. It was Mike's idea in linking the scene in today's world, as opposed to linking the regression scenes in 1928.
I was gonna say that if you wanna take a closer look into SFaM's actions, go to http://dreamtheater.mit.edu, there used to be a SFaM FAQ, and I'm pretty sure it's still somewhere there, there just doesn't seem to be an obvious link anywhere. Bogie ?!? Still around there ? We still need that FAQ up, the questions still keep poppin' ;-)
- Jaska aka Winger
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