YTSEJAM Digest 5456
Today's Topics:
1) Re: MP meets X-MAS
by "Mike Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
2) Quotes and Misquotes
by "Matthew McDaniel" <cfiatp@hotmail.com>
3) Privacy
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5455
by EvoReaper@aol.com
5) Naptallica/Obsevations...
by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
6) lost? go, galactic!
by MusicSnob@aol.com
7) music pirates...
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
8) Re:Blip on the Screen
by Fett2002@aol.com
9) Singers
by Fett2002@aol.com
10) Metallica & Napster
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
11) 'tallica, singing
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Re: Hetfield Singing
by Fett2002@aol.com
13) Re: Height and Napster
by Fett2002@aol.com
14) Re: YESterdays
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
15) singing, 'tallica
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) NP
by "Philip J. Kaplan" <pk@pkinteractive.com>
17) I did it (well sort of)
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
18) Petrucci's Height
by DrivinMax@aol.com
19) Re: I did it (well sort of)
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:44:01 -0400
From: "Mike Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: MP meets X-MAS
Message-ID: <008c01bfb477$38261130$1e5b453f@nexterapcg.com>
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>
> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:42:36 EDT
> From: MelodyDrone@cs.com
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: MP meets X-MAS
> Message-ID: <a6.3c378b4.263fa8ac@cs.com>
>
>
> Hey I was wondering if anybody on the list is any bands with complete
songs
> for download from mp3.com or just their own site......and
>
> Being that I don't have the x-mas fanclub yet, I was wandering if all the
> songs are out of the studio, or if some of them are live ones that they
> played in the past, or even if they reworked some in the studio solely for
> the fanclub cd?
>
> please answer, I have enough things to worry about as it is
>
> Melody
Drone
>
> -curiousity killed the cat-
>
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i believe that all of the songs on the xmas cd are studio versions (some of
which may have been reworked for the xmas cd, but don't quote me on that...)
mikE emerson
cthulhu@cybernex.net
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:57:49 EDT
From: "Matthew McDaniel" <cfiatp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Quotes and Misquotes
Message-ID: <20000502205749.27821.qmail@hotmail.com>
>In a message dated 5/2/00 1:49:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
>
><< "At least study the language before you talk to me"
> -James Labrie Tokyo Japan 1995
> >>
>Intresting...I dont think that is what james says there...maybe u shoud
>watch
>that Vid again...hahaha:-)
>later
I second that. You have misquoted James. He says to the crowd (after
someone screams something at him in Japanese) that "at least allow me to
study the language before you talk to me." That is not a direct quote, but
its basically what he says.
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:09:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Ytsejam: Where Dream and Flames Unite" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Privacy
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005021647570.5679-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> 14) mp3s, Yes, Metallica, ...
> by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
> On the other hand, Napster should be fucking shot for letting this
> happen. How did this NetPD firm get this information? I doubt that
> packet sniffing alone would result in user names. There almost had to
> have been a break in of some sort. (If anyone has ANY information on
> how NetPD does what it does, PLEASE mail me a link, or an article, or
> whatever. This smells rotten to me.) And, of course, the people at
> NetPD themselves should be strapped to chairs in moldy basements and
> forced to listen to ReLoad for days on end without any Master of
> Puppets to break up the monotony.
I think they might be trying to pull a little fast eddie on folks
with this one. The only things I eve gave napster when I logged on was a
username, and a passwd. No first name, no last name, just my username and
my password. Useing gnapster, the gnome linux napster clone. I dunno if
the windows client asks for that info, I don't remember, frankly. If so,
you're an idiot to give them your real name. If not, all they have is an
id, and an IP. It would take a lot of legwork to go from there.
Reminds me of the kid from NYU who got tossed in the loony bin because his
roommates read his email. Turns out that this kid (transplanted Iowegian
in NYC) sent all sorts of neat threats in jesting emails to his buddy with
a dark sense of humor in Iowa. Threatening to off his roommates and stuff
like that. One weekend, he went out for a break, and he said his roommates
could use his pc. They went right to his email, and read all of these
"threats". Worried that this kid might be serious (all Iowegians are
absofucking nuts, right?), they sent copies on to the dorm manager and the
director of Res Life. They had to "act", and so as soon as he got home,
he was in Bellevue. He got out and got reinstated, but if I'm this kid,
I'd be out for some fucking blood.
Anyhoo. Be careful where you stash that nasty email, it could
come back to haunt you.
-jeremy
NP: Luca Turilli "King of the Northern Twilight"
-- +================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum, Assistant System Manager & Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University/jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org "Audentis Fortuna Iuvat"------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:15:50 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5455 Message-ID: <98.483ae05.26409f86@aol.com>
<< No offense, but that is one of the most ignorant things I have seen. I am a singer, and in addition, I play the piano and began to learn guitar. Singing is immensely more difficult to do than either of the two. >>
Not that I disagree to this, but here's my opinion:
All people work at different levels. Someone learning to play guitar at the same time as another person, may not catch on fast enough, and the other may accell much faster. Not everyone is the same, and some may find it easier to pick up singing more so than others, depends on the individual.
<<Wow. You guys are still in high school, and you're tall, and you can play most of DT's catalog? You are AWESOME. Do you hang out with Matt Molite by any chance? The two of you should get your bands together with Empty Tremor and have a high school DT shred competition. Let me know when and where...I'll be there!
Adam>>
Count my band into that! (Ok, don't take this for an ego-ride). We're Jr's in high school, (My drummer is 6'4, I'm 5'11 and my bass player is about 4'5...no..maybe 5'4), and we've got a few DT songs in our list as well.
<<I've been racking my brain all day, and all I could come up with is Jennifer Batten. You might be able to fudge the "shredder" category enough to get Alex Lifeson in there, but I doubt it. :)
Does anyone know Buckethead's hair color? :)>>
How about Eric Johnson, his hair is blond.
Buckethead's hair is brown.
Warm Regards, Andy
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:23:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Naptallica/Obsevations... Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10005021446250.125652-100000@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca>
Regarding the Metallica/Napster debacle, I have made the following observations, many I'm sure you've all made yourselves...
1)- Using Napster is no different than swapping CD's with friends to check stuff out. If I can get sued for using Napster, then on the same token...
2)- Am I going to be sued by TORO if I loan my riding mower to my next door neighbor?
3)-Metallica are a bunch of corporate whores.
4)-No artist is going to loose *that* much revenue at this stage, because too many music fans depend on the tangables like cover art, liner notes, etc. to accompany the listening experience. Unless someone wants to go to alot of trouble to download all of this stuff, they are going to buy the item anyway, as any real fan would as opposed to obtaining the material illegally and cheating their favorite band out of moolah.
5)-Metallica are a bunch of corporate whores.
6)-Record companies continue to rob us by charging premium dollar for obsolete technology. Metallica used to be vanguards for consumer by releasing items such as "The $19.98 Home Vid-Cliff Em All" and "The $5.98 Ep Garage Days Re-ReVisited". Now they are more inclined to release something like "The $49.95 Obligatory 2-CD set of Rehashed E minor Tritone Riffs and Worn Out, Overdone, Kirk Hammet 3rd Rate Pseudo-Blues Wankery". If Metallica all of a sudden wants to play Tin General with it's fans then I say "tough shitty guys, I hope you all go broke!"
7)-See items 3 and 5.
8)-As far as Hetfield's voice as of late is concerned, all I have to say is the Johnny Paycheck influence comes shining through. "Take this job and shove it..."
9)- If James LaBrie and Kirk Hammett ever got into a fight, Labrie would he-bitch-man-slap Hammet into next century.
Greg-o
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:26:16 EDT From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: lost? go, galactic! Message-ID: <a9.50b3f27.2640b008@aol.com>
someone, no not that one, whined: <hy didn't somebody tell me that expedia.com SUCKS? Well, them and the <entire city of philadelphia. Satch was playing some venue called the <Electric Factory which is on Willow St. Well, aparently, most of Willow <St. (which is just an alley) is on the east side of the city (and thus,...>
That's why you use mapquest or one of those address-finding sites. Duh. Or another idea is stop at the nearest Domino's pizza, because they always have huge blow-up maps of the area on the wall. No one knows how to find obscure addresses like pizza delivery people.
someone else, no, not him either, wrote about the Galactic Cowboys: >but their most recent album "At the End of the Day" was so strong...>
If by strong you mean strong-smelling, then, yes, I agree with you. Everything they have put out since Machine Fish has been utter crap. Weak attempts at going alternative do not equate to "strong." One of the few bands that was better with big-label interference. See also: Flotsam and Jetsam.
NP: Johansson - The Last VIking (Jens plays Rainbow)
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:59:06 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: music pirates... Message-ID: <v04220805b534fcebacb2@[192.168.1.1]>
>I still believe that the >majority of music consumers purchase the official >releases of recordings they like.
I believe CD burners and MP3s are mainly a problem of the music *industry* - industry as in *manufacturing* music for business sake only.
Those Top 40 bands are indeed having problems, since their potential customes are satisfied with some lousy 128kbps MP3s of their plastic music. The average music *consumers* don't care if they got the original album, some crappy compilation discs, a CDR, or just an MP3, because they actually don't care AT ALL about the music! As long as the hook is catchy enough it's "good music" for them.
Bands like DT don't suffer nearly as much, since if people really like their music, they go out and buy the CD just for the artwork etc., they want the real thing, an album you can touch and look at. No prog fan would go and buy a "Top 20 prog hits" compilation, they still care for *albums*. Someone who finds MP3s of SFAM on the 'Net and *really* likes it, would probably buy the album just to get rid of the gaps between tracks ;-)
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:01:52 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Blip on the Screen Message-ID: <9c.35bc29a.2640c670@aol.com>
<< Maybe they feel outcast because of their height nad so start practicing a lot > of guitar? Eckie: >>Ah yes, the height nad technique of shred guitar. A true must-learn for >>any gifted Shredi.
It respnses like this that make me glad that I had the initial typo. Very funny! And you're right, any gifted Shredi MUST learn the height nad technique. Shredis all over the world have been practicing this technique and it has been made more poular through the blockbuster George Lucas movie, Return of the Shredi. -Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:09:00 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Singers Message-ID: <a9.50d1f13.2640c81c@aol.com>
Andrew Coutermarsh: << I'm so absolutely sick of hearing people say that singers aren't REAL musicians, or that it doesn't take much to be able to sing. >>
Back when I first started getting the jam (last summer) I had written something along the lines that it didn't take a lot to sing. Well, for anyone who may actually remember this, I apologize for that statement. After reading the thread a little while ago on singing (very good thread btw) I have learned a whole new respect for vocalists. Now, this doesn't mean that I won't listen to any bands with vocalists that aren't great, but I've learned to appreciate guys like JL and Geoff Tate so much more now. The type of range these guys have and the amount of effort they must have put in to get their vocals to be that good is incredible. It defitnitely adds another aspect (a rather important one) to the music. -MIke C.
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:58:33 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Metallica & Napster Message-ID: <20000503015833.27354.qmail@hotmail.com>
I agree that Metallica is just another corporate tool with the Napster lawsuit, but I think that monitering napster and asking them to ban the people who downloaded their tunes is a good idea. Those people abused the service, broke the law, and deserve to be banned. Those of us who DON'T download copyrighted material can still use napster. D-Man is still free to use napster to promote his band's demo. I can still download *LEGAL* bootlegs. The theives lose. The good guys win. I agree that Metallica are greedy bastards and are just abusing democracy and helping to clog up the courts with their frivolous lawsuit, but if they ARE going to fight napster, this is the best way.
-Fran np: Max Creek - Spring Water
Attorneys for Metallica say they hired NetPD, an >online consulting firm, to monitor the Napster service >this past weekend. The firm came up with more than >335,000 individual users who had made the band's >content available online, the lawyers said.::shudder:: I now officially hate everyone involved with this. A week or two ago, you would have found me firmly entrenched in this argument on the pro-musicians' rights side. Now, I'm just sick. Metallica ought to be ashamed of themselves for threatening to go after actual, individual fans. This is unabashed terrorism. (What do you get for the band that has everything? Legal pads, apparently.) Metallica would never be in a position to abuse their new-found power if it weren't for their fans' persistence on getting the word out -- by any means necessary, including copying records onto tapes -- in the 80s. Now that they're part of the Establishment, they're going to litigate anyone that does this? This is Bad and Wrong. "Hammer of justice painted green, money talking" indeed. Moreover, this hurts the little guy, like me. A few months from now, when my band records our first demo, we're going to *need* Napster and mp3.com to help us get the word out to prospective fans. I'm willing to lose (or, more accurately, not gain) money on those first couple of songs, if it means that a lot more people will hear my music and spring for the CD when it's finished. On the other hand, Napster should be fucking shot for letting this happen. How did this NetPD firm get this information? I doubt that packet sniffing alone would result in user names. There almost had to have been a break in of some sort. (If anyone has ANY information on how NetPD does what it does, PLEASE mail me a link, or an article, or whatever. This smells rotten to me.) And, of course, the people at NetPD themselves should be strapped to chairs in moldy basements and forced to listen to ReLoad for days on end without any Master of Puppets to break up the monotony. While I'm pissed at Metallica, however, I'm scared shitless about the prevailing privacy/security issues here. (Duck! It's another D-Man techno-rant!) How are we to expect our private information to remain private if we can't trust those who assure that it will remain private? Where are the lawsuits against Metallica, or NetPD, for what appears to be theft of private property? Where are the Metallica fans standing up and chastising the band, not for sucking, but for invasion of privacy? This is out of hand, and it has to stop. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:05:54 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: 'tallica, singing Message-ID: <000d01bfb4a4$212b8640$0200010a@steve>
> This whole deal suprises me (maybe I'm the only one though?). Metallica > generally is really cool with stuff like bootlegs. In their own fan club > magazine they have a section devoted to them. They allow (or at least used > to) people at their shows to video their concerts. So I would figure that > this shouldn't be too much different.
You would figure wrong. They're not opposed to people trading bootlegs of them. They are opposed to people illegally obtaining copies of their copyrighted studio material as an alternative to buying the actual album (which IS what a lot of kids do, and it's only going to get worse in the future). They do lose money from it, and they stand to ose a lot more in the future if this continues.
> Yeah, it's their actual recordings but they make so much money anyway that it doesn't matter.
THEY ONLY MAKE MONEY BECAUSE OF HONEST PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PAY FOR THE MATERIAL!!!!!!!
>Plus, Napster's just one outlet for mp3s. The things are all over the place. Oh well.....
Yeah, you can ftp .mp3's from lots of places. And those sites should be shut down. Websites that distribute copyrighted material without permission are shut down all the time. Why would it be wrong to shut down Napster?
> ...but IMO, singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No offense to any singers > out there).
Too late.
Singing is the easiest to learn, yes, but the MOST DIFFICULT to master.
> To sing takes more control than most people can > ever have, and at the same time, it takes more freedom than one can ever > hope for, ironically.
Plus, let's not forget that a singer puts more of himself on the line than another instrumentalist. It's a much more personal form of expression, because there is no (visible) mecahnical apparatus between the source of the creative energy (the singer's brain) and the music that the creative energy produces.
Instrumentalists have the advantage of a piece of wood or metal between them and the audience. If something doesn't go right, they can ellicit sympathy by saying "The pedal sticks on this piano," or "my reed wasn't quite right" or "there's too much AC noise in my signal." A singer is out there naked of such advantages. If he says, "It's really dry in here" or "I have some phlegm on my cords - allergy season, you know," the critic will most likely say something to the effect of, "sounds to me like you suck."
> To sing correctly (and this goes NOWHERE near pop > music; I'm talking about REAL singers here)
As a classical singer, even *I* take some offense here. Pop singing has techniques that are foreign and inaccesible to classical singers, just as classical singing has techniques that pop singers can't master. Neither 'pop singing' nor 'classical singing' is 'correct singing' in and of itself - they're more like something you can DO with 'correct singing.'
> Personally, I found that learning to play the piano (at age *5* - remember > that) was MUCH easier than when I started taking voice lessons (at age > *18*). I do believe that everyone can sing, to some extent, but like the > guitar or drums or anything else, not everybody is cut out for it.
That's exactly right. (Although the 5-year-old brain IS more receptive to learning than the brain of the 18-year-old.)
Another point that Andrew makes (although possibly without realizing it!) is that people physically CAN'T learn to sing from age 5 like they can with the piano, at least not in the same way that that they will sing when they are adults. Sure you can sing when you're young, but if a child uses 'adult' techniques at too young an age, he/she will actually RUIN his/her voice.
> I'm sure Steven Zebrowski will attest to this: Singing is just as much an > art as playing ANY instrument, and anybody who thinks otherwise is just > plain delusional.
Amen to that. (if not delusional, then uninformed, ignorant, etc.)
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:43:21 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Hetfield Singing Message-ID: <e0.3d8aacb.2640ec49@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/2/00 4:38:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< HOWEVER, I believe they did some editing with his voice on S&M. As much as I like the guy and love to see Metallica live, he has NEVER been as on-pitch in person, on bootlegs, or on official live releases as he is on S&M. It's not natural for him to be that "on," but I'm not really complaining - it grates on my nerves when people miss notes anyway. >>
They did do some editing. I have some mp3s of the symphony stuff from before it was "produced" in the studio. It sounds like more typical Hetfield live singing, which is still ptretty good IMO. -Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:50:40 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Height and Napster Message-ID: <69.47025af.2640ee00@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/2/00 4:38:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Man...I've downloaded 3 or 4 Metallica songs from Napster. Sometimes bands really piss me off... Why can't Layne (Staley) enjoy touring. >>
This should be: why can't Layne get off the heroin!
-Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:56:33 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YESterdays Message-ID: <E12AF17CD0024D11DA2D0005B8E83109@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> >Subject: Re: YESterdays
>>From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> >>Subject: YESterdays
>>Personally, I think "The Ladder" is some of their best >>work in over two decades. Hell, I thought things >>started to decline after Relayer...
I cite "Going For The One" and yes "90125". Those that deny ever liking that album are lying. But yes, "The Ladder" is one of the best CDs they've ever done! >I agree on the first bit. The Ladder is a great album, the drums aside (Alan White has never been particularly interesting - certainly no-where near as interesting as Bruford - but he seems to have sunk to Lars Ulrich levels recently); apart from Lightning Strikes which is just toss.
Alan White is a different kind of drummer than Bill Bruford. Apples and oranges.
>But all that said...I thought the decline started after Fragile. Close To The Edge was pretty good, Topographic Oceans was absolute dross, Relayer was a brief reprieve, and then they conspicuously failed to make another good album until 1999. 90125 was a pretty good album...It just wasn't really a YES album!
That's silly. "Close To The Edge" is the standard that we measure prog albums against. "Topographic Oceans" has plenty of good moments. And "Relayer" is still amazing after all these years. I think "Tormato" was a misstep. "Drama" was just plain different. You've seen my thoughts on "90125". Now, "Big Genarator" was weak! :)
>~Simon
Rob
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:06:54 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: singing, 'tallica Message-ID: <001401bfb4ac$ab966cc0$0200010a@steve>
> Not me. Metallica/Alternica arguments aside, Hetfield's singing just gets better and better. He's >really added some emotion to his vocals, and considering that the songs have taken a more >vocally-centered form of composition, it definately adds to the music.
I agree completely. His voice is capable of so much more range of emotion now than in the early days.
> HOWEVER, I believe they did some editing with his voice on S&M. As much as I like the > guy and love to see Metallica live, he has NEVER been as on-pitch in person, on bootlegs, > or on official live releases as he is on S&M. It's not natural for him to be that "on," but I'm
I think that the credit in this case goes to in-ear monitors. I've never really hear anyone who had them sing terribly out-of-tune, except Sheryl Crow, but that's because she had them but had pulled them out of her ears. She sucks anyway.
> Even James Labrie, with all sorts of voice training and much more technical > ability than James, is never 100% in live shows. Of course, his vocal parts > are obviously more challenging, too - but DT had a chance to edit his voice > on "Once in a Livetime" and obviously didn't. I kinda wish they had.
You and me both. James's performance mars the otherwise great live album.
James really ought to get in-ear monitors. I read that he thinks they're "annoying" but I would rather put up with a little annoyance than to have my fans thinking I suck live.
> Difference is that Lars is after the big money now :) Up until a few weeks > ago I was a huge fan of the band and especially their older music, but now > that they've publicly turned their backs to everything they ever stood for, > I feel somehow betrayed... very sad that a band who named their first album > Kill Em All in dedication of all the recordcompany managers who wanted to > make money over the backs now has become moneywolves themselves :(
> While standing with near-perfect posture, you have to basically shout while > keeping in tune, minding dynamics and emotion created by the text and the > notes that you have to know as well, while simultaneously creating as little > tension in the neck as possible and staying concentrated, all without the use > of an amplification device. > > Easy? Hah.
Agreed. Plus imagine how hard it was to learn how to play the guitar. The physical discipline. The mental discipline. The maintenance of the instrument (in order to keep in int top playing form).
Now, imagine if you couldn't even SEE your instrument. And couldn't TOUCH it. And that it would be the ONLY one you would ever have in your life, even if it broke.
> This is no new ground: being a virtuouso on ANY instrument is a similar > challenge. It's a similar achievement. Being a vocalist generally isn't > credited as a great feat only because most of our experience with vocalists > is "That chick in High School who thought she was Madonna" or whatever. > Most people who call themselves "singers" or even "vocalists" are not > trained and are not particularly skilled.
Yup. I generally categorize people who sing as "vocalists" or "singers." (Singers are a subset of Vocalists.) A vocalist is someone who makes sound/music with his voice...no matter how it sounds. This ranges from people like Bob Dylan (whom I don't like) to Neal Morse (whom I do) to Jonathan Davis (whom I don't like) to Scott Stapp (whom I do). Singers are those vocalists who produce their tone in a healthy way, emphasize melody and a free and pure tone over "that cool scratchy sound", and generally know what they're doing with their little larynx. James LaBrie, Steve Perry, Pat Benetar, or Ray Alder.
> I would say that it's fair that if you consider most common/popular pop-rock > bands, you will find a vocalist who has practiced little and developed less, > except for his ability to "get that cool scratchy sound" or whatever.
Yeah, like David Lee Roth or Vince Neil or whatever hair band singer you want. They give singers a bad name.
Or you get stunted adolescents who fancy themselves poets who just like to hear the sound of their own voice (Zack DeLaRocha, Fred Durst, Eddie Vedder, who all suck).
> GOOD vocal music is immensely demanding. Being a singer in general does > not necessarily require ANY discipline. It's just that we haven't defined > concrete categories to toss vocalists into as with guitarists for example > (wanker, shredder, "he's not a guitarist, he's a guy with a guitar" etc)
Haven't we? What about the people who dismiss the prog singer because "he just sounds like he's singing opera."? Or "That singer sounds so 80's."? THOSE are the categories that people use to describe vocal wankery.
> My point? NO ONE INSTRUMENT IS MORE DIFFICULT THAN ANOTHER, > SO LET'S STOP THE ELITIST BULLSHIT!!! Thank you.
Oh, I'd say that the kazoo isn't quite as hard as the harmonica. :P
> Moreover, this hurts the little guy, like me. A few months from now, > when my band records our first demo, we're going to *need* Napster and > mp3.com to help us get the word out to prospective fans. I'm willing > to lose (or, more accurately, not gain) money on those first couple of > songs, if it means that a lot more people will hear my music and > spring for the CD when it's finished.
This won't hurt you. There are plenty of websites where you can go to to distribute independent music. One less Napster won't make any difference.
> << "At least study the language before you talk to me" > -James Labrie Tokyo Japan 1995 > >> > Intresting...I dont think that is what james says there...maybe u shoud watch > that Vid again...hahaha:-)
Yeah, as far as I remember he says: "Let me study the language before you talk to me."
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:17:39 -0400 From: "Philip J. Kaplan" <pk@pkinteractive.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: NP Message-ID: <NDBBJDCNILGDEGLNGLEFAEACCPAA.pk@pkinteractive.com>
Whats "NP" stand for?
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:17:47 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I did it (well sort of) Message-ID: <20000502.232743.-105441.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Hey, Combined with bootlegs, I got my 300th cd today. I am happy of this monumentous achievement. You guys can now make fun of me like you always do.
Kurt NP-Metallica "Helpless"
"At least study the language before you talk to me" -James Labrie Tokyo Japan 1995
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:34:55 EDT From: DrivinMax@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Petrucci's Height Message-ID: <7e.45f2306.2641066f@aol.com>
Someone mentioned that Petrucci was about 5'11''. i have to disagree with. I am only 5'9'', and I met him 3 times, and he is a little shorter than me. KJLB is also not as tall as advertised. He's about 5'8''. Who really gives a fuck?
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:47:21 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: I did it (well sort of) Message-ID: <B5351989.49ED%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 5/2/00 11:26 PM, Kurt M Hampton at kurt.hampton@juno.com scribbled in vibrant crayola:
> Kurt > NP-Metallica "Helpless"
Dude, what the fuck are you thinking? Get the real thing...DIAMONDHEAD! Great metal band.
-Brian
--
"You're quite the vulgarian, aren't you?"
"You're the vulgarian, you FUCK!"
-A Fish Called Wanda
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