YTSEJAM Digest 5455
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Hetfield singing
by elmariachi@metallica.com
2) Re: Hetfield singing
by elmariachi@metallica.com
3) Olias
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
4) Re: Metallica has your names...
by "Marcel Schot" <neuronix@writeme.com>
5) Dio can play
by MentalHunk@aol.com
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5454
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
7) the story of m
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
8) Re: Height/Musicians
by EvaOtaku01@aol.com
9) Height and Vocals
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
10) Re: Height/Musicians
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
11) RE: Blip on the Screen
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
12) Re: my final word on selling boots
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
13) just being an ass
by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
14) mp3s, Yes, Metallica, ...
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
15) Re: Height and Napster
by EvoReaper@aol.com
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5454
by Dustro2@aol.com
17) RE: YESterdays
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
18) RE: Napster Re-Revisted
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
19) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5454
by mildew@ucla.edu
20) re: Napster Stuff
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: 2 May 2000 10:47:48 -0700
From: elmariachi@metallica.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Hetfield singing
Message-ID: <20000502174748.9092.cpmta@c003.sfo.cp.net>
On Mon, 01 May 2000, Scott Hansen wrote:
> Actually, at least for me, James' siging is one of the reasons I hate the
> new stuff. I'll admit to having bought S&M and liking it, but even
> Hetfield's singing the old stuff just sucks. It's not just his singing that
> i hate about post-Justice Metallica, but it certainly plays a part. Anyone
> else agree?
Not me. Metallica/Alternica arguments aside, Hetfield's singing just gets better and better. He's really added some emotion to his vocals, and considering that the songs have taken a more vocally-centered form of composition, it definately adds to the music.
HOWEVER, I believe they did some editing with his voice on S&M. As much as I like the guy and love to see Metallica live, he has NEVER been as on-pitch in person, on bootlegs, or on official live releases as he is on S&M. It's not natural for him to be that "on," but I'm not really complaining - it grates on my nerves when people miss notes anyway.
Even James Labrie, with all sorts of voice training and much more technical ability than James, is never 100% in live shows. Of course, his vocal parts are obviously more challenging, too - but DT had a chance to edit his voice on "Once in a Livetime" and obviously didn't. I kinda wish they had.
Anyway, Hetfield isn't bad. He has enough emotional depth in his voice to make up for what he doesn't have in technical vocal ability.
-El Mariachi
"I'm the little boy who pushes hard and makes 'em cry."
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Date: 2 May 2000 10:47:53 -0700
From: elmariachi@metallica.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Hetfield singing
Message-ID: <20000502174753.9098.cpmta@c003.sfo.cp.net>
On Mon, 01 May 2000, Scott Hansen wrote:
> Actually, at least for me, James' siging is one of the reasons I hate the
> new stuff. I'll admit to having bought S&M and liking it, but even
> Hetfield's singing the old stuff just sucks. It's not just his singing that
> i hate about post-Justice Metallica, but it certainly plays a part. Anyone
> else agree?
Not me. Metallica/Alternica arguments aside, Hetfield's singing just gets better and better. He's really added some emotion to his vocals, and considering that the songs have taken a more vocally-centered form of composition, it definately adds to the music.
HOWEVER, I believe they did some editing with his voice on S&M. As much as I like the guy and love to see Metallica live, he has NEVER been as on-pitch in person, on bootlegs, or on official live releases as he is on S&M. It's not natural for him to be that "on," but I'm not really complaining - it grates on my nerves when people miss notes anyway.
Even James Labrie, with all sorts of voice training and much more technical ability than James, is never 100% in live shows. Of course, his vocal parts are obviously more challenging, too - but DT had a chance to edit his voice on "Once in a Livetime" and obviously didn't. I kinda wish they had.
Anyway, Hetfield isn't bad. He has enough emotional depth in his voice to make up for what he doesn't have in technical vocal ability.
-El Mariachi
"I'm the little boy who pushes hard and makes 'em cry."
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:13:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Olias
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0005021410430.12046-100000@gs.bass.org>
I borrowed a coworker's vinyl copy about 5 years ago and taped it. Found
it on CD at Tower earlier this year. There's still one copy here (in
DC). If you check around, you could get lucky. </heh heh>
paul
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:22:45 +0200
From: "Marcel Schot" <neuronix@writeme.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Metallica has your names...
Message-ID: <200005022022450900.005295A1@Sylvester>
On 2-5-00 at 10:50 Adam Perkowsky wrote:
>Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't Lars first become a fan of
>the NWOBHM groups by trading tapes? I coulda swore I
>saw that on the "Behind the Music" special on
>Metallica. What is the difference then, between what
>Lars was doing to what Napster users are doing?
Difference is that Lars is after the big money now :) Up until a few weeks
ago I was a huge fan of the band and especially their older music, but now
that they've publicly turned their backs to everything they ever stood for,
I feel somehow betrayed... very sad that a band who named their first album
Kill Em All in dedication of all the recordcompany managers who wanted to
make money over the backs now has become moneywolves themselves :(
And to keep things a bit on topic NP : Dream Theater - Images & Words
Marcel Schot
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:27:14 EDT
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Dio can play
Message-ID: <a2.3d2ef16.26407802@aol.com>
Ronnie Dio plays many instruments....don't let his stage show fool you....I
forget exactly what, but he's fluent in many instruments
<< Just a quick reply to the 'shorter musicians tend to be better' thing:
First
off, I thought Dio was just a singer? Not that he doesn't kick ass, but IMO,
singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No offense to any singers
out there). As for height, I have a friend who's 6'4 and an awesome
guitarist, and his brother's 6'5 and an incredible drummer. I myself am 6'2
(and like to consider myself a good bassist) and between the three of us we
can play most of DT's catalog... Not to mention we're all still in high
school. >>
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:32:52 -0700
From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5454
Message-ID: <107101bfb464$d3935280$305ad9cf@it.earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:37:15 EDT
> From: IAmClay777@aol.com
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Height/Musicians
> Message-ID: <64.24b3a72.264025fb@aol.com>
>
>
> Just a quick reply to the 'shorter musicians tend to be better' thing:
First
> off, I thought Dio was just a singer? Not that he doesn't kick ass, but
IMO,
> singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No offense to any
singers
> out there). As for height, I have a friend who's 6'4 and an awesome
> guitarist, and his brother's 6'5 and an incredible drummer. I myself am
6'2
> (and like to consider myself a good bassist) and between the three of us
we
> can play most of DT's catalog... Not to mention we're all still in high
> school.
>
Yep, I believe you're still in high school, with an sophomoric statement
like that!
This just in - while the jury is out on height and musicianship, apparently
tall high school bass players don't make good politicians!
:-)
No offense dude, enjoy the flames you get!
Paul
Paul
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:50:41 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: the story of m
Message-ID: <20000502185041.48116.qmail@hotmail.com>
>didn't Lars first become a fan of the NWOBHM groups by >trading tapes? What
>is the difference then, between >what Lars was doing to what Napster users
>are doing?
if i'm recalling correctly, that m band were a bunch that actively promoted
people recording their shows, what with a special tapers section set aside
for would be bootleggers.....
I'd say their move to the dark side began with Jethro Tull's grammy victory.
When the grammys gave them a sympathy award after a few years of
metalli-bitching, they figured, hey these corporate types ain't so bad after
all. And then the grammies kept giving 'em more awards, basically buying a
band's soul, until now.....
but we're not allowed to talk about this, are we?
(of course, if i'm right, that gives people another thing to blame on prog
rock, so maybe we can keep that theory a secret)
partha
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:05:57 EDT
From: EvaOtaku01@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Height/Musicians
Message-ID: <d9.394cc72.26408115@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/2/00 10:55:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
> Just a quick reply to the 'shorter musicians tend to be better' thing:
First
> off, I thought Dio was just a singer? Not that he doesn't kick ass, but
IMO,
>
> singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No offense to any
singers
> out there).
No offense, but that is one of the most ignorant things I have seen.
I am a singer, and in addition, I play the piano and began to learn guitar.
Singing is immensely more difficult to do than either of the two.
Don't believe me?
TRUE singing - classical and correct, not pop crap - requires near-perfect
posture, concentration, projection, and stress on the vocal chords while
still keeping the neck as free from tension as possible. You look at most
music, and people use microphones. True singing requires that volume without
the aid of an amplification device. In addition, you still have to watch your
posture, stay concentrated, project, and keep your neck low - and pay
attention to text and notes, as well as emotion and dynamics. Even straying
from the pitch by a semitone, or half a semitone, or 25 cents will cause it
to sound completely incorrect, and stressing the wrong areas of a phrase or
not being loud enough will cause it to sound just wrong.
So let's recap.
While standing with near-perfect posture, you have to basically shout while
keeping in tune, minding dynamics and emotion created by the text and the
notes that you have to know as well, while simultaneously creating as little
tension in the neck as possible and staying concentrated, all without the use
of an amplification device.
Easy? Hah.
-A rather irked lurker who had to unlurk for this one
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:20:02 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Height and Vocals
Message-ID: <001301bfb46b$6b9524e0$b3d3fea9@madstation>
> From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
> Subject: Blip on the screen
> Paul Gilbert is 7 feet tall, and shoots lightning out of his arse!
> Micheal Romeo is so fat, if we stretched him he'd be at least 9'6" and
> still be pretty beefy! John Tesh isn't that short...
Dude, no SHIT! I am 6' and I came up to Paul's belly button. He
laughed like the jolly green giant before crushing me in one swift stride!
Gilbert is over 6'5" and Holdsworth, Malmsteen, Buckethead, off the top
of my head, are all taller than I am.
> Steve Vai's average height, isn't he? Ya can't say he's not that good
> of a musician :) Unless of course, you consider the marraige of Dre
> Eminem the apex of American culture.
He's about 6' I think. I think we were about the same height. But he's
got fingers that have 2 extra joints in them, giving him extra reach. He
had them implanted after watching Holdsworth play. They're cleverly
disguised as Raisinets.
> Here's a stranger phenominon; how many BLONDE shredders are there (No,
> not Lita Ford) that play in the stratospheric level?
LOTS. Here's a better one for you. Check out the number of
Italian-American shredders vs. non Italians. Want to skew it even further?
Add Italians and Brits or Italians and Swedish etc... sort of uncanny.
> From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
> Subject: Re: Height/Musicians
> > IAmClay777@aol.com wrote:
> > Just a quick reply to the 'shorter musicians tend to be better' thing:
First
> > off, I thought Dio was just a singer? Not that he doesn't kick ass, but
IMO,
> > singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No offense to any
singers
> > out there).
>
> Well im not a singer by any means, but i DID take (slight) offense with
this
> comment. You could argue that singing is something that requires at least
> the same or even more discipline than learning an instrument.
<AGM On>
You could argue, but you'd be wasting your time... because you'd be very
very wrong. :)
<Asshole Guitarist Mode Off>
This is no new ground: being a virtuouso on ANY instrument is a similar
challenge. It's a similar achievement. Being a vocalist generally isn't
credited as a great feat only because most of our experience with vocalists
is "That chick in High School who thought she was Madonna" or whatever.
Most people who call themselves "singers" or even "vocalists" are not
trained and are not particularly skilled. I would say that it's fair that
if you consider most common/popular pop-rock bands, you will find a vocalist
who has practiced little and developed less, except for his ability to "get
that cool scratchy sound" or whatever. In that same band, you'll typically
find a guitarist, bassist and drummer who are also significantly below par,
but all of whom will have put in more effort, by necessity, because it's
easier to bend (i.e. compensate for an inability to hit a note on the head
while singing, which I find takes more work than one would expect...) a
vocal note to "E" than it is to play an E major chord on guitar, or what
not. Let's not even get STARTED on things like AutoTune (the talented
vocalist's worst enemy) and all the processing in current pop (have any of
you HEARD the timbre of Britney Spears voice on her new tune (that someone
bought for her to put her name on)? It's amazing that it passes for human.
GOOD vocal music is immensely demanding. Being a singer in general does
not necessarily require ANY discipline. It's just that we haven't defined
concrete categories to toss vocalists into as with guitarists for example
(wanker, shredder, "he's not a guitarist, he's a guy with a guitar" etc)
> Plus , some people cant sing for shit, even with tons of lessons, because
> some of us arent meant to sing.
That's a line of bullshit that's probably been fed to you either by
people who haven't practiced enough, or people with egos big enough to give
them mad dope skills on the guitar. The only people who are meant not to
sing, are those who are born without vocal cords. Or without throats. Or
other deformities that prevent the passage of air in a melodious (oral,
please) sense. Some people are tone deaf, and that's akin to being color
blind, or LD or what not. There are still things that these people can do.
The only reasons a person can make NO progress is because they aren't
practicing, or they are going to the wrong instructor (no one approach works
for everyone)
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:50:04 +0000
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Height/Musicians
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000502145004.01c2e094@pi-r-squared.com>
>No offense, but that is one of the most ignorant things I have seen.
>I am a singer, and in addition, I play the piano and began to learn guitar.
>Singing is immensely more difficult to do than either of the two.
>
"true singing" may be more difficult for you, but there's doubtless a bunch
of people out there who would find it much more difficult to play guitar and
piano, just as there's man who feel the same as you. My point? NO ONE
INSTRUMENT IS MORE DIFFICULT THAN ANOTHER, SO LET'S STOP THE ELITIST
BULLSHIT!!! Thank you.
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"There is nothing more pragmatic than idealism" -David Mamet
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:40:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Blip on the Screen
Message-ID: <20000502194059.92DCA50BD@sitemail.everyone.net>
On 5/2/00 Eckie Jammed out the following Riff:
>Ah yes, the height nad technique of shred guitar. A true must-learn for
>any gifted Shredi. To be able to drop your pants in the middle of a
>burning run up and use your testicles as a slide for that final peaking
>note is an ultimate skill mastered only through a strict regimen of
>masturbation abstinence and cooling your balls in the freezer for 10
>minutes or more before picking up the guitar.
- Gives a whole new meaning to a locking-nut :)
-Koggie
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:52:01 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: my final word on selling boots
Message-ID: <002001bfb46f$e2d5dfa0$b3d3fea9@madstation>
> From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
> Subject: Re: my final word on selling boots
This pissed me off. Scott, either call it off or suck on it, but don't
continue to post after you declare an end to your part an argument. It
leads one to believe that your position is simply indefensible, and you just
don't want to look bad.
Chris "Paycheck" Ptacek proclaimed in 'Jam 5451:
> Unless I'm totally misreading this Chris whateverhisnameis then
> he's total slime, and good riddence.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> But back in Ytsejam 5446, he commanded me:
> > You shouldn't call these people names. You are better than that.
> Ummm....do as I say - don't do what I do....I think I'm seeing a double
> standard here...... :)
No, Scott, you're taking that out of context, and that's really sad.
The part of that message which immediately preceded this snippet, and which
you selectively (unethically, IMO) ommitted read:
"It's someone deciding that they care about the music more
than the package, and a lot of people are that way. That
shouldn't be something you dog someone about."
> Anyway, I think if you were to have seen the entire ongoing conversation,
> which I did not post, you might understand at least to a degree where this
> guy is coming from. He's not from the school of thought where he's trying
to
> make a quick buck off the fans nor was he trying to sit on tapes for the
> sake of being selfish.
The post you sent made it quite clear that the dude you are defending is
slimey, and pathetic. It's not my responsibility to read all of your
correspondence. I read what you presented as a good guy who was screwed by
boot traders. Real nice guy, by the sounds of it. He wasn't sitting on
tapes... unless you refused to pay his price. Just because someone runs a
mastering process on a tape and makes art for it does not change what it is.
> Any tapes that he didn't trade out willingly was done
> for the purpose of using as bargaining material to get other shows from
> people who *are* hoarding rare shows.
Just because some people are being assholes doesn't mean that everyone
should. Just because some dude who lives with his mom has 20 original Rush
boots that no one else has, doesn't make him a dick. Some people believe in
taping for themselves, and not spreading boots. If that dude is selling
copies for immensely inflated prices, he's a shit. But that doesn't excuse
a BOOT PRODUCER to go around bitching that people are trading copies of his
"production." They're BOOTLEGS. You TRADE THEM. THAT'S HOW IT IS SUPPOSED
TO WORK! It's just a select group of people who feel that this rule of
thumb shouldn't apply to them, and that's SAD.
> But I digress, it doesn't really matter as he's not into it anymore - a
> shame since he did a *quality* job of remastering shows and IMHO did a
great
It's a shame that you would misquote a friend to make an asshole smell
better.
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:56:29 -0400
From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: just being an ass
Message-ID: <390F32ED.5B9ACB48@mail.rochester.edu>
> From: IAmClay777@aol.com
> I myself am 6'2
> (and like to consider myself a good bassist) and between the three of us we
> can play most of DT's catalog... Not to mention we're all still in high
> school.
Wow. You guys are still in high school, and you're tall, and you can
play most of DT's catalog? You are AWESOME. Do you hang out with Matt
Molite by any chance? The two of you should get your bands together with
Empty Tremor and have a high school DT shred competition. Let me know
when and where...I'll be there!
Adam
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:55:32 -0400
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: mp3s, Yes, Metallica, ...
Message-ID: <20000502155532.A1683@optical.mindstorm.com>
Goddammit, my mailer just crapped out on me. Trying to recreate
message from internal memory...
On 2000-05-02 at 10:53 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com
<ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:42:36 EDT
> From: MelodyDrone@cs.com
> Subject: MP meets X-MAS
>
> Hey I was wondering if anybody on the list is any bands with complete songs
> for download from mp3.com or just their own site......and
My old band (from college days) is on at
http://www.mp3.com/vintagepawnshop. This stuff was all written and
(mostly) recorded before I'd ever heard of DT, so don't expect the
next Images and Words, or anything.
I've been hacking the page for my new band, id, at http://id.fm. Not
much content yet, because we're too busy writing to take pictures or
record anything, but it'll all be up there soon enough.
> Being that I don't have the x-mas fanclub yet, I was wandering if all the
> songs are out of the studio, or if some of them are live ones that they
> played in the past, or even if they reworked some in the studio solely for
> the fanclub cd?
Pretty much all of the above. It's safe to lump it all under the
category of "rarities".
---> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:54:03 -0700 > From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> > Subject: Blip on the screen > > Here's a stranger phenominon; how many BLONDE shredders are there (No, > not Lita Ford) that play in the stratospheric level?
I've been racking my brain all day, and all I could come up with is Jennifer Batten. You might be able to fudge the "shredder" category enough to get Alex Lifeson in there, but I doubt it. :)
Does anyone know Buckethead's hair color? :)
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> Date: 2 May 2000 14:25:14 -0000 > From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> > Subject: Re: YESterdays > > But all that said...I thought the decline started after > Fragile. Close To The Edge was pretty good, Topographic Oceans was > absolute dross, Relayer was a brief reprieve, and then they > conspicuously failed to make another good album until 1999.
Yikes! CTTE is a masterpiece! I listen to that a *lot* more than Fragile. Tales is... well, OK, you got me there. Relayer is, I suppose, an acquired taste, but Moraz was one original guy.
I also dig Tormato quite a bit (listen to Release, Release and On The Silent Wings of Freedom -- muh). And Drama, as albums go, is nearly perfect.
> 90125 was a pretty good album...It just wasn't really a YES album!
"Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Trevor Rabin and Four Other Guys!"
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> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) > From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> > Subject: Re: Singers > > I'm so absolutely sick of hearing people say that singers aren't REAL > musicians, or that it doesn't take much to be able to sing.
Yeah! We all know that it's the drummers who aren't the real musicians! :)
::ducking under the desk::
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> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:27:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> > Subject: Metallica has your names... > > Attorneys for Metallica say they hired NetPD, an > online consulting firm, to monitor the Napster service > this past weekend. The firm came up with more than > 335,000 individual users who had made the band's > content available online, the lawyers said.
::shudder::
I now officially hate everyone involved with this.
A week or two ago, you would have found me firmly entrenched in this argument on the pro-musicians' rights side. Now, I'm just sick.
Metallica ought to be ashamed of themselves for threatening to go after actual, individual fans. This is unabashed terrorism. (What do you get for the band that has everything? Legal pads, apparently.) Metallica would never be in a position to abuse their new-found power if it weren't for their fans' persistence on getting the word out -- by any means necessary, including copying records onto tapes -- in the 80s. Now that they're part of the Establishment, they're going to litigate anyone that does this? This is Bad and Wrong. "Hammer of justice painted green, money talking" indeed.
Moreover, this hurts the little guy, like me. A few months from now, when my band records our first demo, we're going to *need* Napster and mp3.com to help us get the word out to prospective fans. I'm willing to lose (or, more accurately, not gain) money on those first couple of songs, if it means that a lot more people will hear my music and spring for the CD when it's finished.
On the other hand, Napster should be fucking shot for letting this happen. How did this NetPD firm get this information? I doubt that packet sniffing alone would result in user names. There almost had to have been a break in of some sort. (If anyone has ANY information on how NetPD does what it does, PLEASE mail me a link, or an article, or whatever. This smells rotten to me.) And, of course, the people at NetPD themselves should be strapped to chairs in moldy basements and forced to listen to ReLoad for days on end without any Master of Puppets to break up the monotony.
While I'm pissed at Metallica, however, I'm scared shitless about the prevailing privacy/security issues here. (Duck! It's another D-Man techno-rant!) How are we to expect our private information to remain private if we can't trust those who assure that it will remain private? Where are the lawsuits against Metallica, or NetPD, for what appears to be theft of private property? Where are the Metallica fans standing up and chastising the band, not for sucking, but for invasion of privacy? This is out of hand, and it has to stop.
Protect your privacy on-line! Start with the EFF. http://www.eff.org. Get educated, and make a stand, before we have to start running around pulling Ethernet cables out of the wall.
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:00:52 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Height and Napster Message-ID: <2b.51de76f.26408df4@aol.com>
Vai is about 6'3-6'5 easy...(I'm 5'11 and in my picture he's standing a good 3-4 inches slumped over). Petrucci is right about my height. Satch is a short one..I remember standing next to him at a G3 show and he just about hit my knee-caps.
Ok, I'm suprised this guy hasn't been mentioned yet....BUCKETHEAD! The guy is 6 and a half feet tall...he's a GIANT. If your sitting in the audience watching him, it's just insane....he's soooo tall. (I'm sure the bucket adds to the appearance, but still.)
Wasn't Hendrix a tall guy? (He's not my fav player really, but I guess you could call him a great...if you prefer).
Man...I've downloaded 3 or 4 Metallica songs from Napster. Sometimes bands really piss me off...
Why can't Layne (Staley) enjoy touring.. Why can't Metallica kick more ass and losen up.. Why can't Dream Theater play Maine... Why can't Pink Floyd release an album before I graduate high school.... Why can't my bass player get his head out of his ass and realize that HE IS NOT THE SINGER!
Ok..I'm done..
Warm Regards, Andy
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:05:49 EDT From: Dustro2@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5454 Message-ID: <a6.3c8af75.26408f1d@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/2/00 1:49:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< "At least study the language before you talk to me" -James Labrie Tokyo Japan 1995 >> Intresting...I dont think that is what james says there...maybe u shoud watch that Vid again...hahaha:-) later
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: YESterdays Message-ID: <20000502200506.E830150BD@sitemail.everyone.net>
on 5/2/00 WB Henderson tabbed out a bassline for the following:
>"Talk" -- for whatever reason, I really dig that album. Strong >songwriting,
-Y'know even my guitar player Lloyd like that album, and he's a right critical bastard. I too like that album.
-Koggie
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:21:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Napster Re-Revisted Message-ID: <20000502202136.6BDC280C2@sitemail.everyone.net>
"Dr. Dre has not yet conducted his own search for pirates, but the same techniques will likely be applied to the rapper's work if Napster does respond, the attorney added"
Dre's currently being sued by LucasFilms for illegally using the THX "Deep Sound" intro on his latest effort. Seems hypocritical to me.
-Koggie
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:20:58 -0800 From: mildew@ucla.edu To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5454 Message-ID: <200005022021.NAA16575@panther.noc.ucla.edu>
---Original Message---- This truly is a sad day, the 2nd band I got into becasue of dream theater (Fates Warning, was the first) is calling it quits.
Wow, me too! I dated a guy who got me into DT, and I new that he liked Fate's, so even though I had never heard them, I went to their concert with him. Loved it and became a huuuge fan. Then in 98 I heard King's X was playing and saw them, even though I had never heard them either. They were ok, but I had the most fun seeing GC open for them. Just thought it was strange that we got into the same bands after DT in the same order. :)
~~Amanda
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Napster Stuff Message-ID: <20000502203011.5740.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com>
Fett2002@aol.com wrote:
> This whole deal suprises me (maybe I'm the only one though?). Metallica > generally is really cool with stuff like bootlegs.
I don't know if Metallica is backtracking or just explaining (James and Jason did not mention this on teh radio Sunday), but they have a new press release that says this:
"Metallica makes no claims of copyright infringement with respect to recordings of Metallica songs made by Metallica fans at Metallica live concerts. "
full press release: http://webobjects.elektra.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/elektra/Home.woa/wa/load?ID=154&Page=ArtistDeluxe&s=News
> Yeah, it's their actual recordings but they make so much money anyway > that it doesn't matter. Plus, Napster's just one outlet for mp3s. > The things are all over the place. Oh well.....
Well, I wouldn't say that they're the richest guys in the world, but I'm glad that they can make a good living from music. I really don't want to see them miss out on a penny.
My point has always been that they AREN'T loosing any money by people trading MP3's. The claim that they will will loose money by MP3 trading is just a "theory". I don't believe it. I think that MP3 trading is a great way for musicians to "advertise" (especially unknown acts). I still believe that the majority of music consumers purchase the official releases of recordings they like. People who "steal" official, copywritten releases via MP3 and don't ever purchase the actual product would probably NEVER buy it anyway. No money lost! And what if 1 out of 100 people did "steal" the material via MP3 INSTEAD of purchasing. And if MP3 distribution was the main source of publicity that lead to those 100 sales, that would be the cheapest advertising a band could get. It would cost the band more to print a stack of flyers...why worry about the one hoser who didn't purchase the actual release? You're loosing a penny to make a dollar here.
my $.02, BH
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