YTSEJAM Digest 5465
Today's Topics:
1) Iced Earth
by "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com>
2) Napster/Metallica Cartoon!
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
3) RE: Iced Earth
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
4) woops, forgot the url
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
5) cassette?
by Daniel Wannemacher <dany@cs.uni-sb.de>
6) You people boggle me (gun stuff)
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
7) Audio gear
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
8) Re: An open letter from Metallica
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5464
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
10) Transatlantic and Platypus Reviewed
by MusicStJournal@aol.com
11) more than you ever wanted to know
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
12) talking way too much about RIO, other stuff
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
13) prog and the female vocalist
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
14) too many films
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
15) Greetings from Mr. Progsnob
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
16) RE: Iced Earth
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
17) RE: cassette?
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
18) Re: cassette?
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
19) No...
by MusicSnob@aol.com
20) (no subject)
by Fett2002@aol.com
21) Re: Roadies, echolyn, projeKcts, Explorer's Club
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 00:03:58 CDT
From: "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Iced Earth
Message-ID: <20000506050358.23247.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey Jammers...
I need some recommendations for 'Iced Earth'. The local Camelot has a few
of their CD's and I was wondering which of theirs I should look out for.
thanks
poj
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:20:51 -0400
From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Napster/Metallica Cartoon!
Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMMEGAEGAA.td4235@ship.edu>
Ok, here is my weak attempt at computer artwork but it made me laugh and I
think some other people on the jam might find it amusing. I got this idea a
few days ago from another post on the jam. -props to the person that thought
of it
-Tim
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:32:39 -0400
From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Iced Earth
Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMEEGBEGAA.td4235@ship.edu>
> I need some recommendations for 'Iced Earth'. The local
> Camelot has a few
> of their CD's and I was wondering which of theirs I should look out for.
I would recommend getting "Alive in Athens". Its a double CD with some of
their best stuff.
My favorite album is "Something Wicked This Way Comes" its just some
excellent metal.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:35:10 -0400
From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: woops, forgot the url
Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMMEGBEGAA.td4235@ship.edu>
my bad, forgot to include the website the cartoon is on:
http://members.aol.com/timdawg99/metalanapsta.jpg
guess that's kind of important...
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:12:02 +0200
From: Daniel Wannemacher <dany@cs.uni-sb.de>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: cassette?
Message-ID: <20000506081202.A572@jimi.cs.uni-sb.de>
> Excellent point. I honestly don't know the answer to this
> and have never thought about it. My first guess would be
> sound quality, because cassettes sound like shit.
I think it's about the amount produced. I can imagine
There are a lot more CDs than cassettes produced nowadays.
So the more media are produced the cheaper a single one gets...
-dany
-- Daniel Wannemacher 'And if I don't see you no more in this world, dany@cs.uni-sb.de I'll meet you in the next one, http://on.to/dany But don't be late............' -J.H.------------------------------
Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 01:52:12 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: You people boggle me (gun stuff) Message-ID: <3913C11C.46805DE1@isd.net>
Digital Man wrote: >As far as I can tell, the gun makers are getting into trouble because:
Because the US has no idea how to address the REAL issue. The gun manufacturers are simply the scapegoat.
>* They designed a product that is inherently dangerous (yes, more than > a car)
Bullshit! You CAN be killed by an unattended car. Not true with a gun. (not unless it falls from a tall building, and that's not likely to happen) Guns are VERY safe. People on the other hand...
>* For years upon years, it has been ridiculously easy to legally > purchase a handgun (or shotgun, or rifle, whatever) which, logic > would seem to dictate, has led to a proliferation of guns on the > streets.
Wrong again.. Most guns police confiscate from criminals are stolen. THAT IS A DOCUMENTED FACT. Since car stereos have become "ridiculously easy to legally purchase," more of them have wound up in the hands of criminals. Let's prosecute the car stereo manufacturers for damages done to vehicles when the stereos were removed. After all, it's there fault for presenting an attractive incentive for thief's.
>* Gun makers have not placed any Surgeon General's warnings about > high-velocity projectiles or lead poisoning on their products.
Where's the HUGE warning labels on stoves? Some things need no explanation. Such as: Baseballs, clotheslines, light sockets, Fish hooks...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trevor Hoit wrote: >But they do advertise some guns with features like >"fingerprint resistant". This would only appeal to >criminals.
You've obviously been watching your Clinton propaganda tapes. "Fingerprint resistant" does not mean your fingerprints won't show up on the weapon, it means the acids and oils on your fingers won't leave permanent stains or blemishes in the bluing.
/Al hates misinformation...
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:22:37 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Audio gear Message-ID: <3913C83D.99312EF8@isd.net>
Joe DeAngelo wrote: >Could somebody please give me some opinions on audio equipment? (I'm an >idiot, and don't know anything about them)
SNIP
Jamo is OK. The upper-shelf stuff is quite respectable. Nakamichi receivers I have NO time for. Nak is still trying to live off the name they built for themselves back when they used to make some quality tape decks. The newer Nak stuff blows dog.
My advice: Look around and see what your $2,500.00 can get you at the retail level. Call local repair centers that just REPAIR and ask them what they think of brand X's build quality.
In reality, you should spend your $2,500.00 on speakers alone. Then pick up a cheap surround receiver used to tide you over until you can afford to get something more substantial. Even if you have to do it one piece at a time, it's well worth the wait.
It's a lot harder to acquire a Symphony X CD than a Brittany Spears CD. It's also more expensive. I'll let you call that shot...
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 03:02:09 +0000 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: An open letter from Metallica Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000506030209.01c28978@pi-r-squared.com>
At 04:13 PM 5/5/00 -0700, you wrote: > >How many of you read this letter and were completely sick? I've been >(or was, not sure by now) a fan of Metallica since 1991, and I think >everything they did before S&M was quality music (yeah, most of the >people who complain about Load and Reload IMO do it because it's >Metallica, if they were done by other band people would be saying how >they liked the albums and stuff like that), but this letter made me >sick to my stomach...
Umm that was a parody. they didn't actually write it. didn't you see the part where it said "by so and so"
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"There is nothing more pragmatic than idealism" -David Mamet
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 05:13:42 EDT From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5464 Message-ID: <bf.2ec5a2e.26453c46@aol.com>
In a message dated 00-05-06 01:05:34 EDT, you write:
<< It's always been my assumption that they get paid based on ticket sales and stuff, since you always hear that most bands lose money on most tours. >>
Roadies are usually paid on a flat fee, the nature of payment of which are negotiable.Assuming the band is signed and their record company offers tour support, that's where the band draws the money from. If not, the money comes from the pockets of the band members, which may or may not be offset by the profits of the performances. Roadies reap no direct rewards regarding CD sales, though the more successful the band, the more money the band can afford to pay its roadies (in theory); although, the more successful the band, the hotter the girls are that show up to the shows, thus resulting in a much more pleasurable "interviewing" process for the roadie to declare who is worthy of backstage access to the band.....
Richie
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 06:11:20 EDT From: MusicStJournal@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Transatlantic and Platypus Reviewed Message-ID: <ae.4ad8250.264549c8@aol.com>
Just to let everyone know, the Transatlantic disc and the latest Platypus are both reviewed at Music Street Journal this month. Check out MSJ at www.50megs.com/msj.
Thanks
Gary
Gary Hill Music Street Journal http://www.50Megs.com/msj http://MusicStJournal.50megs.com
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 05:52:56 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: more than you ever wanted to know Message-ID: <20000506105256.99539.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > > They can easily block out 123.123.45.* >But then they'd be blocking several people that use the same ISP, right? >Or is that the point?
someone else said it best, and this indeed would be the case: one greedy idiot can fuck it up for everyone.
>Anybody got any idea who came up with the pun "Return of the Shredi"???
probably a case of convergent evolution. I mean, it's not like it's a really DIFFICULT one to come up with. A number of puns and jokes I've come up with have shown up on tv, but I really doubt that word of mouth has spread to Hollywood from here ;)
And this isn't really a defense of the Metallica/Napster situation, but it should give some extra food for thought that hasn't been considered.
>From: "Rainer" <rainer@internetezy.com.au> >Subject: My rant on Napster, Metallica, difficulty of instruments >Message-ID: <LPBBKHEPKNGGBEODHONIEEBOCAAA.rainer@internetezy.com.au> >I remember reading or hearing somewhere that James used to spend hours at >Lars's place copying albums of bands that he liked when the band was just >getting started. It's good old human nature at work and plain old fashioned >hypocrisy on their part. When it's to their benefit it's fine but when it >hurts their own pockets it's another matter.
ok, but by the other turn, how many years have passed in between? Are people not allowed to change their views on something, particularly as they mature (don't get on my case about Metallica's maturity ;) )? It's one of the basics of learning.
Lessons are best learned when the point is hammered directly home, and we can't say that Metallica wouldn't have seen the light if things didn't effect their bottom line. But then, by this logic, one CAN say that their pro-fan stance of earlier years was also just the flip-side of this coin: being pissed at record companies for making money off of their blood sweat toil and tears. They could just have easily dressed rebelliousness against their employers as love for their fans, because it would only help bring in the money.
Motivation is the key, and the band's perspective is the main thing that would determine this. Have they, over the years of building up a mainstream following, seen the difficulties of fellow artists starting out, that they tackled in a totally different manner? Have they come to the conclusion that bootlegging hurts other bands? Or are they only watching their own bottom line?
The hypocrisy angle is only valid if they STILL bootleg other stuff, yet are trying to keep their fans from doing the same to their own work - the case of 'Do as I say, not as I do'. And that's DO, not DID. People rarely say that mistakes they regret making in the past is justification for others doing the same thing - in fact, they usually use it as justification to STOP other people from doing the same. If Metallica has come to believe that bootlegging is wrong, that's not hypocrisy. If they have come to this conclusion out of greed, it's still not hypocrisy (just reprehensible!).
Our own belief: fuck 'em all. We don't use Napster or MPs and don't really care for Metallica. If they do the right thing for the wrong reason (both of which are deeply in grey areas, from the popular opinion displayed here), that's their perogative. They'll be lucky to have any fans after this, because THEIR perspective will likely be that the band is stealing (back?) from them. However, people should be allowed to change their stance if they've decided their current one is wrong; other people can and will decide if the motivation was right, and if it shows any scrap of integrity, but it isn't their call to change someone else's mind for them.
DU&A/J
>The site said you could choose whether or not others could view the >contents on your HD, but then again it said copyright violators would >be banned. Nothing to hide on my HD (except that panty shot of >Gillian Anderson) but just curious how much someone can see if they >wanted to. D-man? Anyone?
a bug in an older version of the Napster client apparantly allowed free access to a person's hard drive. This has been removed, but a hacker could possibly find a way to reimplement it or get around the security. Used as directed, this client is only supposed to allow access to a Napster mp directory, and then only if a client wants it accessibe... however, my friend found this feature to not work - she still had people downloading tunes from her when she had specifically turned off permission.
>NP: Blind Guardian "Nightfall in Middle-Earth" (makes me want to >play D&D again)
I'd be doing it if I could get all of the group together on any particular night....
D/J
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 06:33:42 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: talking way too much about RIO, other stuff Message-ID: <20000506113342.95690.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: ordering Nightwish CD's
> > DAMMIT i don't wanna order something from Finland. >ewww... Why not ?
You ever try ordering something from Fin... wait, you're a native :D
answer: laziness, time and cost. laziness - getting an international money order can take some effort, particularly if it's for a country that the US doesn't allow direct sale of the money order to you the consumer (e.g. Italy *grumble*)
time - international orders can take a month or more to process and ship to your door. Case in point: DT's xmas cds ;) I rarely have such bad luck, but it's possible.
cost - shipping costs and charges for currency exchange can come up to half the cost of what you're ordering to begin with.
It's nothing against Finland, I imagine, just against inconvenience ;)
>Subject: Re: Pain of Salvation >I don't have Entropia (their first cd), but have heard it enuff to tell >that some songs even have a techno-ish beat
only one, an instrumental/sound sample bit used as a transition
>But Entropia is insane, and very very good !!
what he said
>From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> >Subject: RIO, more Napster > > > > From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> >(this was me, actually)
sorry, D-Man... when the carats fly thick and furious, it's hard to quote correctly :)
>And, do me a favor. If you're really into that RIO stuff, *please* >explain why, because I just don't get it.
from a post from a long time ago: experimenting is good, but can be carried too far.... a lot of Cuneiform's stuff is over the edge (Tipographica turns my teeth sideways). Not all of it is like that.
Mostly what I'm into is dark/hard-edged music; not in the industrial vein, but the Stravinsky/Univers Zero/Devil Doll/ DT/Pink Floyd/Anglagard/King Crimson/strangeness vein. I may have been mistaken that Cueniform's catalogue was entirely in a dark vein, but the few albums I've gotten from RIO bands (Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, Henry Cow, UZ) I didn't think were bad.
of course, my attempts to study atonal music may reveal a bias...
>From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com> >Subject: D-man's Words >But don't get me wrong - Your words carry the ring of truth, yes your words >ring true ;)
obviously a fan of Rankin/Bass... Rumplestiltskin - GOTCHA!
>-Koggie... >..Can't wait for the Lord of the Rings movies
need I say more? ;)
>..is wondering what happened to the guys from Echolyn
Chris Busby is in a new band, but I forget the name :/
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 06:57:51 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: prog and the female vocalist Message-ID: <20000506115751.60264.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au >Subject: Vocalists
>Ive been singing for around 7 or 8 years now, well singing in bands
this counts, I think ;) (best Gandalf impression:) Excellent!
>and my dream is to have a prog band of my own (but who wants a female prog >singer?)
hmmm.... Renaissance, ArsNova, Halloween, Glass Hammer, White Willow, Relayer(?), Magma, Henry Cow, Velvet Hammer....
one Ms. K. Misner will be helping with ours (if we ever get the damn music written!)
Just because the overall interest of female singers for being in prog bands is low doesn't mean the interest in female singers IN prog bands is nonexistant. Guys are more prevalent, but they are definitely not 100%
besides that, the female voice can round out a sound quite nicely.
If you can't make your own prog band, there might be a few on here willing to take ya.
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 07:20:36 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: too many films Message-ID: <20000506122036.48426.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com> >Subject: Shredi, Kev Madden's taste, LOTR, Dianetics
>Tomas V. remarked: > >Lord of the Rings movie?????? Sweet, gonna have to do some surfin > >about that. > >One of the best fan sites is TheOneRing.net. http://www.theonering.net/ . >There are some spoilers there, but they're always clearly marked.
other films in this vein: Dungeons and Dragons (yeah, they finally took the plunge): www.wizards.com Final Fantasy computer animated film: www.finalfantasy.com
> >By the way, with Battlefield Earth coming out, I wanted > >to ask if Dianetics is worth reading. I've heard it's motivating and > >useful, I've heard it's just a wacky cult thing. Opinions? >Yes. It's utter crap. You'll find that nearly anybody with a real head on >their shoulders dismisses Dianetics after barely a second thought.
for more on this, check out www.skepdic.com
>From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
>What's a cassette? :)
The only method I get music I enjoy into my car.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 05:26:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Greetings from Mr. Progsnob Message-ID: <20000506122649.23770.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>
>> I agree 100%. IMHO, Pain of Salvation is the >> best (and most unique) thing to happen to >> prog-metal since Dream Theater.
>Hey, try Dreamscape !! >"Very" is absolutely at the top of the tree. >"Trancelike State" is good as well. >Almost as good as Superior !! (Really) >A real must puchase
Dreamscape is a good band. IMHO, they're not in the same tier as a PoS. I can think of two tons worth of bands that are worthy of the attention of everyone here - some of which (like Spock's Beard) seem to have really taken hold of a lot of people around here, and some that go largely ignored - Clockwork, Mayadome, Aryeon, Behind the Curtain, Digital Ruin, Reading Zero...well, the list is as long as my arm.
For that matter, I'm always a little surprised at the number of DT fans who have NO IDEA all these other progmetal bands even exist. If even half the DT fans got behind some of the better ones, the world would be a better place...
If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion: Everyone here should be a regular visitor to the Perpetual Motion board at http://www.mindcage.com It is (and always has been) the best online discussion of all things metal - progressive, power, symphonic - you name it. Your musical horizon (metal, anyway, and more when the discussion veers off-topic) will expand immeasurably.
Mike
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:57:57 -0500 From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Iced Earth Message-ID: <000001bfb763$1612a830$3464a8c0@klindt.org>
Mike, I have "something wicked this way comes" and I like it a lot. I also have "the dark saga". Good, but not as good as "wicked". I'd be willing to make some mp3s if you're willing to download them through my modem, tk
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-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of A_Change Of_Seasons Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 12:23 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Iced Earth
Hey Jammers...
I need some recommendations for 'Iced Earth'. The local Camelot has a few of their CD's and I was wondering which of theirs I should look out for.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:01:18 -0500 From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: cassette? Message-ID: <000101bfb763$8dd2a1e0$3464a8c0@klindt.org>
Actually a buddy of mine that works at Musicland has a different idea. He read in an industry mag at one time that record labels see CDs as being underpriced, not overpriced. Their rationale for this is that cassettes will eventually wear out, whereas a CD will be around forever. Therefore it's worth more to the consumer to be able to listen to Britny Spears in the year 2075. It's logic like that that keeps me from feeling sorry for the record labels as they get "screwed" by mp3 traders.
tk
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-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Wannemacher Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: cassette?
> Excellent point. I honestly don't know the answer to this > and have never thought about it. My first guess would be > sound quality, because cassettes sound like shit.
I think it's about the amount produced. I can imagine There are a lot more CDs than cassettes produced nowadays. So the more media are produced the cheaper a single one gets...
-dany -- Daniel Wannemacher 'And if I don't see you no more in this world, dany@cs.uni-sb.de I'll meet you in the next one, http://on.to/dany But don't be late............' -J.H.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:09:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: cassette? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10005061008070.16035-100000@vineyard.ecosoft.com>
Actually, from my college days, back in 93 I recall reading in a marketing textbook that a CD is far more cheaper to manufacture than a Cassette tape, yet because of the "Technology" people will pay more for it. Tis why they are priced at sometimes double a tape.
On Fri, 5 May 2000, Daniel Wannemacher wrote:
> > > Excellent point. I honestly don't know the answer to this > > and have never thought about it. My first guess would be > > sound quality, because cassettes sound like shit. > > I think it's about the amount produced. I can imagine > There are a lot more CDs than cassettes produced nowadays. > So the more media are produced the cheaper a single one gets... > > -dany > -- > Daniel Wannemacher 'And if I don't see you no more in this world, > dany@cs.uni-sb.de I'll meet you in the next one, > http://on.to/dany But don't be late............' -J.H. >
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:48:44 EDT From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: No... Message-ID: <ea.4ed7108.26458acc@aol.com>
Phil Carter, you still can't have my Dos Equis (you didn't think a snob would drink Bud, did you?) ;-)
As for why cds cost more than cassettes, perhaps it's because you are paying a premium for the superior sound quality...?
Oh, by the way, I reexamined my musical tastes, and survey still says that post-Machine Fish (IN MY OPINION) sucks harder than your mom when she's doing the Grand Poobah at the Tall Cedars Hall in Parkville, Maryland. (Note: that was a Powermad reference) I WANTED to like the material. I REALLY liked GC. I saw them in concert numerous times. BUT, they simplified, turned to the alt-scene, and failed miserably.
NP: (with no taste at all, mind you): Testament - The Gathering (ramping up for tonight's concert)
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:23:47 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <de.492e6e4.26459303@aol.com>
> If Napster falls, then it could snowball from there, where does it stop > then? When everything on the Net is monitored for "illegal activity"? > Sounds pretty Orwellian to me! >>
Just sounds like "law enforcement" to me. :) They're not chaning the laws here, just trying to enforce them. -Mike C.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:20:40 -0400 (CLT) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Roadies, echolyn, projeKcts, Explorer's Club Message-ID: <200005061520.LAA04764@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:58:17 -0400 >From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >Subject: Roadies, echolyn, projeKcts, Explorer's Club >Message-ID: <20000505135817.A26587@optical.mindstorm.com> > >> From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> >> Subject: Brufford, Levin, Projeckts >> >> I need some info on these Projekct albums, mainly about the Projekct 2 & >> 3, line-up and other stuff. >> Anyone? > >ProjeKct 2: Fripp on guitar, Trey on Warr, Adrian on V-Drums. >ProjeKct 3: Fripp on guitar, Trey on Warr, Pat on electronic drums. > >]From what I understand, there's one live album from each, plus a >studio album from 2. > >There's also the boxed set, with all sorts of stuff from all 4 >projeKcts.
Ahem... the boxed set (called "The ProjeKcts") is composed of those four live albums by each projeKct. ProjecKct Two's studio album ("Space Groove") was recorded before any of those.
There's also a 1-CD compilation called "Deception of the Thrush", that presents a selection of the box set (but, IMNAAHO, is not very representative of the box set).
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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