YTSEJAM Digest 5462
Today's Topics:
1) Re: REALLY TIRED OF NAPSTER
by elmariachi@metallica.com
2) Home audio stuff........
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
3) MP3. etc.
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5454
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
5) Napster suit
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
6) Music business model
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
7) yes union
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
8) Realmedia licks from Marcel Coenen (Lemur Voice) on my site
by "Eddy Huism@n" <Eddy@jem7bsb.com>
9) Enrique tha man :)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
10) Re: The cost of a CD
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
11) Pain of Salvation
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
12) Re: RIO, more Napster
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
13) Artwork need
by nardini@persogo.com.br (Mauricio Jose Nardini)
14) Can't stop listening to FII/DTIFC mags
by Krysten DeBroka <kryt@mail.dcwi.com>
15) THE PROBLEM
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5461
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
17) Vocalists
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
18) Gun manufacturers
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
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Date: 4 May 2000 13:04:11 -0700
From: elmariachi@metallica.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: REALLY TIRED OF NAPSTER
Message-ID: <20000504200411.29422.cpmta@c003.sfo.cp.net>
On Thu, 04 May 2000, Kurt M Hampton wrote:
> Im not really one to bitch about stuff that goes on around here, but I
> think the Napster thread is GETTING REALLY OLD. Could we move on
> please.
> I am tired og getting a jam with 24 posts, and about 19 or 20 are about
> the same thing.
AGREED! It's getting old and repetitive, to the point where I am beginning to delete almost everything with Napster in the subject line. The thread has nothing even remotely to do with Dream Theater and hasn't since it started. Take the discussion over to rec.deadhorse.beatings!
-El Mariachi
"I'm the one who doesn't look quite right as children play!"
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:14:50 -0400
From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Home audio stuff........
Message-ID: <003d01bfb605$66fe5960$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
Could somebody please give me some opinions on audio equipment? (I'm an
idiot, and don't know anything about them)
I have a chance to buy some used stuff from a friend of a friend, and am
seriously considering it (haven't actually seen/heard the stuff yet, but I
probably will tonight), since my funds are a little too low to get good, new
stuff after buying a house last year.
The guy is asking $2500 for all of the following......
32" Toshiba TV (I believe it's 32", if memory serves)
Nakamichi receiver (main receiver)
Technics receiver (this one is basically being used solely as an amp, I
think)
DVD player (I forgot what kind it is)
Jamo surround-sound speakers (I believe it's a center-channel, two towers
with subwoofers, and the two smaller rears)
Also, I think a VCR too......
I'm especially curious about how Jamo stuff is, since I've never heard of
them before........
Thanks in advance,
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:16:21 -0400
From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MP3. etc.
Message-ID: <004101bfb605$9d236ee0$76035a8c@noaa.gov.osogroup>
I'm sorry, ut I must disagree with much of this statement (assuming that the
statement refers to an MP3 obtained from copyrighted material).
You probably don't see anything wrong with it because you are not losing
revenue as a result of people stealing your shit! If people are downloading
an MP3's for their use, than they are not buying the CD--simple. What does
showing that album sales suffer have to do with it? The material is
intellectual property which cannot be reproduced or retransmitted without
the owner's consent, blah, blah blah...Are you even aware that all blank
cassettes as do audio CD-R's have a tax on them to recover funds lost due to
copying? (Of course that's an RIAA deal of which the actual artists probably
never see a dime) :-(
I-Man
> No need for the caps here, dude. "Honest People?" Sorry, but I don't think
> there's anything immoral with downloading mp3s for your own personal use
(as
> long as you're not selling them). This seems to be another case of
confusing
> legality with morality. If and when it is shown that album sales are being
> hurt, then ya might have a point, but not before. People have said this
same
> thing for years. They said it when cassettes first came out because people
> could copy them as well as record songs off the radio. The record industry
> survived. I think it will survive this too.
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:18:17 EDT
From: DoubleJay54@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5454
Message-ID: <bb.2f7017e.26433509@aol.com>
<< >have a question, do short guys have a predisposition to be better
>guitar players or even perhaps better musicians in general???
>>
Hendrix was pretty damn tall
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:22:59 -0400
From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
To: "Mailing List YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Napster suit
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The press release I read stated very clearly that those sueing Napster have
no intention of persuing legal action against the individuals they have
identified as those hosting the copyrighted material. They have apparently
given this list of names to Napster's lawyers to somehow say or show that
they are the ring leader in the conspiracy (my word) to defraud (again, my
word) Metallica or whomever.
I-Man
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:01:06 -0400
From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
To: "Mailing List YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Music business model
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Th music business model will change! This, I see as an inevitability.
Technology has made it far to easy for the most humble of techno-peasants to
copy and distribute copyrighted material. It would be great to say that
internet distribution of music will consist of samples or lower grade
quality which will not prevent people from buying the CD, but that simply is
not the case. The fact is that MOST people don't care or even notice the
lower quality sound and the internet underground cannot be controlled. (Just
consider anyone who can listen to music on a PC-what a joke!) The cassette
(when last I checked) is still the most common medium for music distribution
(believe it or not!), but that won't last. Much money is made from Cassette
singles of pop music proliferating the airwaves. With young teens and their
RIO players and college students and their networks the "one hit wonders"
are the ones who will really lose big. IMHO. Internet distribution (legally
or illegally) means that you will never have to buy a single or waste money
on a CD with only one good song! (CD-single bonuses not withstanding)
They said that the CD wouldn't replace vinyl because people will still want
to own the album art, well guess what! Big Business will figure out a way to
make money from the sale of music! They just haven't figured it out yet.
Right now they are merely trying to hold onto the turf they have, and it is
quickly slipping away from them. Privacy. Rights. Not when there's $$$ to be
made!
Who wants to be the real Johnny Mnemonic?
I-MAn
>> I gotten LOTS of my friends now to go out and buy EVERY SINGLE DT
>> album just because I sent them some mp3s!!!! Mp3s are great, as long as
its
>> use is limited to sampling!
>
>Same here, IMO, mp3 should be limited to low quality versions of full
songs, or
>high quality samples. And not permit almost cd quality of full songs. That
way
>at least there is SOME incentive...
>although there are some people who just dont give a fuck about how the song
>sounds...(lots of people i know record songs off the radio on cassette, so
go
>figure!)
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:15:51 -0400
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: Dream Theater mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: yes union
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000504171518.00a3c260@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
You guys all forgot one important pointa bout union. Rick Wakeman's being
replaced by hack keyboardists. I love Union, but would love to have heard
what Rick would've played on those songs.
-- Damon Fibraio, and guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Live show on Tuesdays from 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:31:51 +0200 From: "Eddy Huism@n" <Eddy@jem7bsb.com> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Realmedia licks from Marcel Coenen (Lemur Voice) on my site Message-ID: <NCBBJNKFGLCFGAIBGEPPMEKOCGAA.Eddy@JEM7BSB.com>
Howdy jammers,
Apologies for the NDTC but as this might be of interest to a lot of you I thought I'd post it anyway. I have just uploaded 2 Realmedia clips of licks played by Marcel Coenen of Lemur Voice. Check them out on www.JEM7BSB.com. And while your there, why not sign my guestbook and let me know what you think of the MP3z (no songs yet, just raw ideas) that are there
Take care
Eddy
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:20:59 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Enrique tha man :) Message-ID: <3911DBAB.4248D879@mol.com.mk>
Yo guys, ... about that Enrique Iglesias mp3 ... I think it's not him! C'mon, how can it be SO out of key? :) I doubt it's possible something THAT bad can go live. I also think the man can at least sing fairly good.
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The cost of a CD Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005041912090.67518-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 4 May 2000 NShh641@aol.com wrote:
> I'm hoping that the music industry realizes that mp3 are here to stay. > Maybe it'll make them reduce the price of cds. It cost em what, about > $1 to make a cd? So why the hell are they charging $15 a pop for em?
Well, somebody pointed this out once (I'm not sure if it was here or somewhere else): You've got here the artist, the label, the engineer, the studio, the licensing fees, as well as the store that sells the album. I'm sure that's not everything, but let's use it as an example.
Say that everybody takes a $2 cut of each album sold (obviously it doesn't work like this, but again, let's use it as an example). That means that there's $2 for the artist, $2 for the engineer, $2 for the label, $2 for the studio fees, $2 for the store that carries the album, and $2 for the licensing fees. That right there is $12.
Do you see how the price adds up? It may only cost a buck to make a CD, but it doesn't cost only a buck to CREATE a CD. There are a lot of different factors that go into the creation of an album.
> It's supply and demand. People can get the music on the internet, > sooner or later cd prices are gonna fall. And I'm not gonna be cryin > any over the losses Virgin Records or Geffen takes.
If you really feel this way, you might as well copy the albums directly and send your $15 to the band. This is a much better way of supporting the bands (which, unless you do the above, isn't going to happen at ALL if the Free Internet Music campaign were to succeed).
The big problem here is this: I'm sure you would like to support Dream Theater and all of the other bands you enjoy. But at the same time, you think that certain parties (read: Pop music stars) get WAY too much money for what they do. In reality, this isn't the case. The only reason the pop stars get more money is because they sell more records. The industry takes its cut, just like everybody else (as noted above), and everybody's happy.
How much would you pay to see a live performance of Dream Theater? I don't know about you, but I paid well over $50 - $27 for the ticket to the show, gas to get down there, food money, money for the subway, money for the disposable cameras with which I took pictures of the show, etc. I think $15 for a CD (hell, with discounts on the Internet, I only paid $4.20 for Scenes From a Memory) is PLENTY worth having that music available ALL the time. People don't really think about that: It's like having the band there for you, playing their songs for you, whenever you want. If you would pay even $25 for a SINGLE performance of SFaM, why wouldn't you pay ten dollars LESS than that for a recorded performance of said album?
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can do is take out your money, and piss on it while mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll have to wash your money." - Norman Calkin, on urban survival -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:20:30 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <000801bfb627$b8dc7a60$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
Mike Patrick said: > Both albums are blind purchases if you think you can > stand something a little harder and wilder than DT. > Trust me, there's a reason there's such a large buzz > about them...
I agree 100%. IMHO, Pain of Salvation is the best (and most unique) thing to happen to prog-metal since Dream Theater.
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:24:50 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: RIO, more Napster Message-ID: <B5377F02.4AAF%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 5/4/00 12:45 PM, Digital Man at cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com scribbled in vibrant crayola:
> If you run a Windows machine, and it's connected to the Internet, > you're in trouble. DOS was designed as a stand-alone OS, and the > various flavors of Windows are just nasty GUI hacks built around that > kernel. It is inherently insecure in a networked setting. Anyone who > tells you different is probably trying to sell you something. > > Run Linux or a BSD (or maybe Be or Mac, not sure), however, and you're > probably at least a little safer.
Yup. MacOS has very good network security. As a matter of fact, upon the release of OS8 a couple years back some company offered a million dollars to anyone who could break into a MacOS machine running just the standard appletalk connection. If memory serves, I think someone eventually did it, but it took about 8 months. I may have some details wrong, it's been a while. But that's close enough.
-Brian
--
"Big breasts are the cheapest special effect in the business."
-Jim Wynorsky on the porn film industry
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:53:51 -0300 From: nardini@persogo.com.br (Mauricio Jose Nardini) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Artwork need Message-ID: <39121B9F.69E001A8@persogo.com.br>
Hi people:
Where can I find the artworks of Dream Theater in the web ?
Is there any brazilian here in the list ? Ou alguém qua fala português ?
Thanks.
]From Brazil,
MJNardini
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:04:05 -0500 (EST) From: Krysten DeBroka <kryt@mail.dcwi.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Can't stop listening to FII/DTIFC mags Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10005042155200.17455-100000@dcwi.com>
So lately I've been listening to my tape of FII in my car quite often. I just can't get sick of listening to "The Way It Used to Be" (that I put on the tape when somebody I know let me borrow whatever CD has that song on it). I just keep rewinding the tape over and over - no other song on FII is so appealing to me. Maybe it's just my old-U2-loving self, but I just LOVE that song - I'd have to put it on my favorite DT song list.
Just felt the desire to share...
Anyway, if anyone is interested, I have 4 DT International Fan Club Magazines that I don't need. They are 15-18 (from 1998). Email me if interested.
---Krysten kryt@dcwi.com
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:43 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: THE PROBLEM Message-ID: <000e01bfb644$8a66fda0$0200010a@steve>
It is THIS attitude that is expressed here in the following 2 quoted passages that explains everything that is WRONG with people's perception of what the life and work of a musician is about. If you're the person who said this, I'm not sorry for singling you out. You should be ashamed of yourself.
> I'm hoping that the music industry realizes that mp3 are here to stay. Maybe > it'll make them reduce the price of cds. It cost em what, about $1 to make a > cd? So why the hell are they charging $15 a pop for em?
BECAUSE YOU"RE NOT PAYING FOR THE DISC ITSELF! YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE MUSIC ON THE DISC! (Yes, I'm aware that I'm shouting.) A CD probably costs even LESS than $1 for the record company to produce, but that $15 is certainly not for the piece of plastic.
An artist puts his valuable time and talent into the creation of that music. To get the most possible people to hear it, he needs someone with the ability to reach the largest audience and support his product the most. Enter the record company. The record company says, "Hey, Artist, I think people will like this. Give it to me, and I'll make sure it's heard."
Artist says, "Ok, it's yours, but give me some money to make me happy, and maybe in a few years, let the songs belong to me again."
Record company says, "Ok." But the record company doesn't have any revenue from Artist's sales just yet (obviously, because they haven't sold any units yet). So, they take a little of Natalie Merchant's revenue and give it to Artist. (When Artist starts making some more dough, they'll give it back to Natalie Merchant.) Now the record company has made Artist happy. BUT in order for them to CONTINUE to make Artist happy, WE have to make the RECORD COMPANY happy by buying those CDs.
(Yes, I realize that this is a VERY idealized approach.)
> It's supply and demand. People can get the music on the internet, sooner or > later cd prices are gonna fall. And I'm not gonna be cryin any over the > losses Virgin Records or Geffen takes.
That won't work. The artists will take the loss FIRST.
> Im not really one to bitch about stuff that goes on around here, but I > thjink the Napster thread is GETTING REALLY OLD. Could we move on > please. I am tired og getting a jam with 24 posts, and about 19 or 20 > are about the same thing.
As soon as Skadz tells us to end it, I'm prepared to do so. Until then, I'll be here on this soapbox.
Skadz?
> The funny thing about a replicator...
[snip]
> The problem is, how do we reward the people who came up with > the product in the first place if you can just get it for free? How > can Metallica (or any new band) strike it rich if only a few people > will pay for their product? I think that most of us would like to > see their favorite bands make a lot of money (though not necessarily > the music industry). How can this happen?
Well, on Star Trek: The Next Generation, replicator technology made money obsolete in many galaxies. With the absence of material incentive, all experiences or acts must be their own reward, otherwise you wouldn't do it. The reward comes from yourself as how you feel about what you do or accomplish - you'll find all you need in your mind if you take the time.
Of course, that only works on Star Trek, where music is free because EVERYTHING is free. In the real world, there are bills to pay, groceries to buy.
Until EVERYTHING is free, NOTHING should be free.
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:21:07 -0400 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5461 Message-ID: <20000505.002359.-980749.1.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
>Everclear may very well suck (very well suck - is that an oxmoron?), but > +Live+ DOES have an awesome live sound! Watch Woodstock!
'94 or '99? I was at '99. I also saw them on some eMpTyV show. Maybe it's just my personal tastes, but I think they suck (I'm not wild about the way they sound in the studio, either - especially their newer stuff). I really don't like that typical overdriven Fender sound that most alternative bands have. It bothers me.
> I thought you had to accept their terms of service agreement before you > installed the software,
Nobody pays any attention to those, silly! It's like those signs that say "School Zone, 15 mph when blinking" They don't REALLY mean that!
> > But then they'd be blocking several people that use the same ISP, right? > > Or is that the point? > > The point, I think, is to enforce compliance through public guilt. > Ever see "Full Metal Jacket", where the rest of the platoon has to do > push-ups because Pyle snuck a doughnut into the barracks? Same > thing. "Don't fuck up, or we'll piss off your neighbors and blame > you." > > I mean, I doubt this was the intention of blocking a range of IPs, but > it's about all you can do when people have dynamic IPs. But it works.
Just switch ISP's if you're that thickheaded about it. Freewwweb.com kicks ass - no banners!!! Juno's not too bad either.
> -Koggie... > ..Can't wait for the Lord of the Rings movies
Oh Hell Yeah!!!
>..is wondering what happened to the guys from Echolyn
That reminds me, any of you guys ever hear about Echelon? I remembered it when somebody mentioned 1984 (awesome book) It was this surveillance network set up by the US, Great Britain, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, and maybe somebody else, anyways it was all the major English speaking countries. Well, it was designed for national security interests and what not, but once the cold war *ended* (it really hasn't, we're just gonna start a new one), these guys go bored and started spying-for-profit. France called some big hearing on it a few months ago, cuz they were losing money. (you know how pissy the french get :-) Apparently, some of the countries involved had been spying on each other to underbid each other. Neat stuff.
> Technically I believe the gun manufacturers are being accused of > irresponsible marketing practices that lend themselves well to criminals > getting firearms. I don't think any of the lawsuits are based on "Hey, you > made a product and someone hurt someone else with it!".
I realize that I'm on my way to making myself the off-topic topic god, but this really gets me. "Irresponsible marketing practices"??? Gimme a friggin' break. How much marketing does the gun industry do? Almost none. How many gang bangaz have you seen picking up the latest issue of Guns 'n Ammo??? Even though I think it's stretching the truth by saying that RJ Reynolds markets to kids by using Joe Camel, I see how the argument can be made. How on earth can the gun manufacturers be said to have irresponsible marketing practices?
-Dan.
"The best way to fight tyrrany is to double-tap 'em between the eyes as they come through your door" - G. Gordon Liddy.
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:37:21 +1000 From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Vocalists Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9BC2088C@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
won't listen to any bands with vocalists that aren't great, but I've learned
to appreciate guys like JL and Geoff Tate so much more now. The type of range these guys have and the amount of effort they must have put in to get their vocals to be that good is incredible. It defitnitely adds another aspect (a rather important one) to the music. <snip>
I'll second that!! Ive been singing for around 7 or 8 years now, well singing in bands and my dream is to have a prog band of my own (but who wants a female prog singer?) for now though i have to settle with a DT and QR cover band, and hey dont get me wrong, i enjoy every note of every song. But it took me 3 months to learn and hit every note of UaGM and TTT and plus around the same time for Anybody Listening and My Global Mind by QR, its exhausting and very hard work. Its nice to know that non singers can appreciate the work we put in :)
Cheers
-------------------------- Mystery ------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is no more assuring than love There are no answers from voices above You're fighting the wheight of the world No one can save you this time Close your eyes you can find all you need in your mind Take the time - Images and Words Dream Theater -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:54:20 -0400 From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Gun manufacturers Message-ID: <20000505005420.A9152@optical.mindstorm.com>
Oh, dear Ged (thanks Jon :), please, do *not* let this turn into a debate on gun control. I just want to adress a question.
On 2000-05-04 at 13:03 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com <ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:16:31 -0500 > From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> > Subject: RE: D-man's Words > > Technically I believe the gun manufacturers are being accused of > irresponsible marketing practices that lend themselves well to criminals > getting firearms. I don't think any of the lawsuits are based on "Hey, you > made a product and someone hurt someone else with it!".
As far as I can tell, the gun makers are getting into trouble because:
* They designed a product that is inherently dangerous (yes, more than a car) * For years upon years, it has been ridiculously easy to legally purchase a handgun (or shotgun, or rifle, whatever) which, logic would seem to dictate, has led to a proliferation of guns on the streets. * Gun makers have not placed any Surgeon General's warnings about high-velocity projectiles or lead poisoning on their products. * etc. along those lines.
In short, people's problems with the gun companies are with their products. As a capitalist, I think it's asinine to blame the gun manufacturers. Everyone knows what guns are designed for (to put holes in things). As a gun-control advocate, I think that people's energy would be better spent aimed at federal and state governments, in an effort to make it far more difficult to obtain or own a gun, and severely increase the consequences of breaking these laws.
As a realist, I count the Republicans in Congress and go back to fighting for open source.
The gun companies (who I think are Bad People) and Napster (who I think are Good People) have every right to create a product and promote it vigorously, until such time that it becomes illegal to do so (Fellow Americans, try to catch a glimpse of someone actually drinking a beer in a beer ad, or smoking in a cigarette ad). They're not the problem. The problem is that legislators have either lacked the ability, or refused, to catch up. In the meantime, there are laws about what we can and can not do with these products. (You can shoot paper targets; you can't download Metallica songs.)
> That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
You're never wrong if it's just an opinion.
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Oh, someone in this digest said, and I paraphrase, "I'm so sick of every jam being 20 Napster posts out of 25." That's fine. But if you sit back now and do nothing, and find down the line that you have less rights than you do today, don't complain then. Every day, we learn a little more about what we are and are not capable of doing, and what we should and should not, as moral people in a lawful society, do. We're essentially making up the rules as we go along, and hoping we get them right. In the meantime, big profit-making corporations like Metallica, Napster, the US Govermnemt, and the Eurpoean Union are flexing their muscle to get their voices heard. But the Internet is the great equalizer. Your voice rings our just as loudly and strongly as Lars' or Bill Gates' or Al "The Godfather" Gore's. Fight for your freedom while you still have the freedom to do it.
It's late, and I'm falling asleep. Better get off my soapbox now.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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