YTSEJAM Digest 5464
Today's Topics:
1) Shredi, Kev Madden's taste, LOTR, Dianetics
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
2) gun debate not allowed
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) Roadies, echolyn, projeKcts, Explorer's Club
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
4) One last thing about projeKcts
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5463
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
6) media exposure
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
7) RE: Roadies, echolyn, projeKcts, Explorer's Club
by Carol Dellinger <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
8) Audio gear
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
9) Ooops
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
10) Boston
by "Vinay Swarup" <swarupvi@hotmail.com>
11) naptallica, topographic
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5463
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
13) Cable modem and DSL speeds...
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
14) your exotic prog tunes
by Waseem <Dyne@home.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5463
by IAmClay777@aol.com
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5463
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
17) Re: napster&metazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......................
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
18) An open letter from Metallica
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
19) JP and Live In Tokyo :Best Solo
by CoolCris26@aol.com
20) Re: An open letter from Metallica
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
21) Pain of Salvation
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
22) Gun Shit- a new look, DT Summer
by "Wade A. Caudle" <slash@zebra.net>
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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 13:39:00 -0400
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Shredi, Kev Madden's taste, LOTR, Dianetics
Message-ID: <4.1.20000505132902.00aea7c0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Somebody wrote:
> Anybody got any idea who came up with the pun "Return of the Shredi"??? I
> thought a buddy of mine did, but now that I see you guys writing it, I
> think that maybe he didn't...
Dunno who ORIGINATED it, but our fearless Eckie has been using "Shredi" for
at least two-three years on this list. :)
"StolenTrst@aol.com" decided to "educate" Kevin Madden:
>> If by strong you mean strong-smelling, then, yes, I agree with you.
>> Everything they have put out since Machine Fish has been utter crap.
>
>LOL, obviously someone's an Idiot, and is obviously speaking from Ignorance,
>cause they HAVEN'T listened to the music and given it a chance, if you ask
>me, everything they have put out since Machine Fish may have not been quite
>as Heavy if that's what you want to say, but that it's all Crap??
>Nonsense!!! I think you need to reexamine your taste. ;-) thanks
ha. haha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If you had ANY idea how many CDs Kevin owned and how many different styles
of music he listens to, you would be wishing for a hole in the ground to
open and swallow you for making such a ridiculous statement.
Tomas V. remarked:
>Lord of the Rings movie?????? Sweet, gonna have to do some surfin
>about that.
One of the best fan sites is TheOneRing.net. http://www.theonering.net/ .
There are some spoilers there, but they're always clearly marked.
Personally, I don't know how I'm going to wait till Christmas 2001 for
these films. :)
>By the way, with Battlefield Earth coming out, I wanted
>to ask if Dianetics is worth reading. I've heard it's motivating and
>useful, I've heard it's just a wacky cult thing. Opinions?
Yes. It's utter crap. You'll find that nearly anybody with a real head on
their shoulders dismisses Dianetics after barely a second thought.
Moreover, almost ALL of L. Ron Hubbard's stuff is poorly written and way
overrated (ask any hardcore sci-fi fan like meself). The masters like
Heinlein, Asimov, Sturgeon or Silverberg could put Hubbard in their hip
pocket.
cheers,
Phil
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: gun debate not allowed
Message-ID: <20000505175717.29925.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>
Hi all,
Just a reminder that the gun debate has been banned
from the ytsejam. (We had this debate already).
~BH
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:58:17 -0400
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Roadies, echolyn, projeKcts, Explorer's Club
Message-ID: <20000505135817.A26587@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-05-05 at 10:26 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com
<ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
Today's lesson on making friends and influencing people:
> From: StolnTrst@aol.com
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Message-ID: <2f.4d9f31a.2643dde3@aol.com>
>
> LOL, obviously someone's an Idiot, and is obviously speaking from Ignorance,
<groan>
---> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 08:40:21 CDT > From: "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com> > Subject: road crew? > > I was wondering something on the way in to work this morning. With all the > talk of how little the band gets paid for each CD sold, I wonder where the > funds come from to help pay the roadies and guitar/bass/drum techs? Does a > portion of each CD also go to the road crew?
It's always been my assumption that they get paid based on ticket sales and stuff, since you always hear that most bands lose money on most tours.
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> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:02:02 -0500 > From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> > Subject: Extremely off Topic (Gun manufacturers) please Delete
I won't take this up here, beucase Todd's right about one thing -- this is *way* off topic. However, I look forward to a debate through private e-mail, if anyone feels compelled to continue.
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> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:10:02 -0500 (CDT) > From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> > Subject: echolyn > > echolyn is back together and recording a new cd as i type. i've heard a > 3 song demo. quite tasty and sure to please. i wouldn't be surprised at > all if they garner a large(r) following with this album.
They're also playing a pre-NEARfest show that Friday night, at some bar or whatever in Bethlehem. I unfortunately won't be there, because I need to work up here in NY that Friday (as do my travel companions), but I'm dying for echolyn to get back in the saddle and start kicking ass again.
Anyone know anything about their new bassist?
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> From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> > Subject: Brufford, Levin, Projeckts > > I need some info on these Projekct albums, mainly about the Projekct 2 & > 3, line-up and other stuff. > Anyone?
ProjeKct 2: Fripp on guitar, Trey on Warr, Adrian on V-Drums. ProjeKct 3: Fripp on guitar, Trey on Warr, Pat on electronic drums.
]From what I understand, there's one live album from each, plus a studio album from 2.
There's also the boxed set, with all sorts of stuff from all 4 projeKcts.
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> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:41:03 +0200 (CEST) > From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org> > Subject: Explorer's Club, LiT > > I picked up Explorer's Club today (yeah I know I'm late), and seems a fine
Ohhhhhh, man, do I love AOI. Bozzio and Sheehan are tighter than a duck's ass. And I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks this album is JP's finest work. It's *so* emotive.
Oh, almost forgot. Napster.
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:00:57 -0400 From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: One last thing about projeKcts Message-ID: <20000505140057.B26587@optical.mindstorm.com>
Oh, I almost forgot. If you like the projeKcts (and I know you do), check out the album "The Repercussions of Angelic Behavior" by Rieflin-Fripp-Gunn. Robert and Trey on guitar and Warr again, and Bill Rieflin on drums and weird percussive things. Sort of projeKct-ish (except that Rieflin isn't in KC). Cool stuff. (I think I bought mine from Trey's web site, http://www.treygunn.com.) -d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:55:47 -0400 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5463 Message-ID: <20000505.140150.-950551.1.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> Hell, you don't even need a connection to a network > for someone to get onto your system. As long as your > computer is plugged into an electrical socket, then > you're leaving yourself wide open. ;)
I once had someone try to tell me that. I just gave him that "how stupid are you?" look and walked away.
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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:24:36 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: media exposure Message-ID: <20000505182436.3195.qmail@hotmail.com>
We mightnot like it, but record companies get the job done. We might bitch about OFB not getting the exposure they deserve, but that's because teenie boppers like Brittany Spears and N'Sync and they've got daddy's money. The solution to exposure would be for us all to buy 2 or 3 copies of each DT album. That way, OFB gets 3 bucks instead of just one, and Elektra gives 'em more money to tour and for the next album. Oops, wandering a bit...
If people are not satisfied with corporate radio crap, and they are looking for something like Dream Theater, they will search for it and they will find it, media exposure or not. We all did. -Fran ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Carol Dellinger <coldie@bellatlantic.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Roadies, echolyn, projeKcts, Explorer's Club Message-ID: <385025947.957552246017.JavaMail.root@web114-wrb.mail.com>
D-Man swooned and sighed lustily:
>Ohhhhhh, man, do I love AOI. Bozzio and Sheehan are tighter >than a duck's ass.
How you know this about the Duck's ass I really don't want to know. Merlo, I worry about you sometimes darling.
>And I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks this album is >JP's finest work. It's *so* emotive.
Agreed on the emotive part babe....JP tosses out some of the most soul stirring stuff I have ever heard. And you already know my thoughts on Big Bad Billy.
Oh, almost forgot. Napster.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA yer such a pissah Merlo!
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:59:43 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Audio gear Message-ID: <000e01bfb6c4$12e1dae0$76035a8c@noaa.gov.osogroup>
Joe,
I'd be glad to help you out. Contact me privately if you need more info. I would think you could put together a pretty kick-ass system NEW for that amount. Anyway:
Jamo makes very good shit. I would inspect all of the speaker drivers to make sure they are not damaged (dust covers pushed in, torn, etc., Check to see if they are they solid: are they heavy? Does the knuckle rap test hurt your hands? - if so that's good!) Tastes for speakers can vary widely, so listen to them both loud and soft to make sure they sound good TO YOU! Send me the model info and I may be able to dig up a review from somewhere.
I wouldn't buy receiver gear used unless it was very recent. DVD uses digital inputs for Dolby Digital (AC-3) and DTS decoding to get the most out of a DVD (they are not required but you will want it - trust me). New high-quality multi-channel receivers with beaucoup power, latest digital signal formats, and video switching can be had for <$500.
> Could somebody please give me some opinions on audio equipment? (I'm an > idiot, and don't know anything about them)
.snip.. > > I'm especially curious about how Jamo stuff is, since I've never heard of > them before........ > > > Thanks in advance, > - Joe D.
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:03:50 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: "Mailing List YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Ooops Message-ID: <001601bfb6c4$a65e33e0$76035a8c@noaa.gov.osogroup>
Ooops, sorry about all of the recent Mime shit. I forgot to change to plain text when posting to the Jam. Also I hope you guys don't make me pay for including my .vcf file, I forgot about that too.
I-Man
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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:14:36 EDT From: "Vinay Swarup" <swarupvi@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Boston Message-ID: <20000505201436.24185.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi everyone, I've been on the jam for sometime, but this is my first attempt at actually showing myself. I just have a quick question, I'm going to Boston on Tuesday, I've never been there before and I was wondering if anyone could tell me some cool places to go see some good music, prog or otherwise. Or just some cool bars or clubs to hang out at. I would be very appreciative.
Thanks, Vinay Swarup
Vinny Swarup 787 Burcham Dr. Apt.4 E. Lansing, MI. 48823 swarupvi@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: naptallica, topographic Message-ID: <20000505202738.9192.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com>
If this has been said already, please ignore, I've been offline for a while and missed some jams. Ok Metallica, why stop your suit at napster? Why not sue the makers of CD burners which can be used to copy albums so people don't have to buy them. And while your at it, how about all the stereo componets of yestayear with the phonograph and cassette players where you could copy records for people who didn't want to buy albums? I remember when FM radio used to play full length albums on Friday nights, for the purpose of recording them. And one of those albums my brother recorded was Topographic Oceans(nice segue huh?) How do you not like Topographic Oceans? Its very Yes in my opinion and has lots of emotion. I haven't listened to much of the stuff after that until 90125, which I liked but agree that its not really a Yes album.
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:53:10 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5463 Message-ID: <000e01bfb6d3$ec6a3000$76035a8c@noaa.gov.osogroup>
LOL! Thanks, that was exactly what the Napster debate needed :)
I-Man
> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 13:18:15 -0400 > From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: open letter from metallic =) > Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000505131803.00b1cd80@pop.ecosoft.com> > > > http://www.brunching.com/features/feature-metallicaletter.html
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:14:20 -0400 (EDT) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Cable modem and DSL speeds... Message-ID: <m12npQS-000IPfC@mail.interzone.com>
>Biggestquestion: Which new technology is going to win out: Cable >modem orDSL? > >Fromwhat I hear, DSL is the better of the two because you're always on, >itdoesn't tie up your phone line and it's better security. Could someone >who is "in the know"provide a more informed opinion on the future of >everyone's internet connection? Perhaps an evenbetter technology is >lurking on the horizon? > >Also, could someone post the "top speeds" of both types of connections >andcompare them to, for > example, a T1 connection. (How fast is a T1 >connectionin bps?) I realize you can pay more for faster connections, >so let's say less than$50 per month. Which gives you the better bandwith >for your buck? >
Neither DSL or cable modem ties up your phone line and both are always on. The cable modem speeds allegedly go up to 1.5Mbps for downloading, but I generally see closer to 300kbps - 700kbps on my cable modem. Upload speeds are around 100kbps. You have to take into account that there are other network bottlenecks between you and the remote server so you seldom get the ideal speed. My cable modem costs $40/month. With DSL from Bell Atlantic, you can get download speeds of 640kbps for around $49/month. Upload speed are 90kbps. If you want faster, they offer download speeds of 1.6Mbps and 7.1Mbps for more money. Of course, those speeds can also be slowed down by the remote networks and servers. The main problem with both solutions is that they're still hard to get in most areas. Bell Atlantic serves DSL in my area, but I'm over 2 miles from the local office so I can't get it. You'll have to call about it. I think that for now either one is a fine solution. I love having the high bandwidth cable modem in my home (my wife and friends can all play EverQuest at the same time. Woohoo!). The high bandwidth and always on service makes the internet usable. Both DSL and cable modem would provide that. If you have a choice, I might recommend the DSL since it doesn't share bandwidth with anyone but I haven't had much experience with it.
Steve
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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:51:16 -0700 From: Waseem <Dyne@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: your exotic prog tunes Message-ID: <39134254.30A139C0@home.com>
just to stray off this whole napster-bater stuff for a quick sec:
i realy appreciater everyones help with the exotic prog input. but i could use some more, so....
CAN AS MANY PEOPLE ON THIS LIST AS POSSIBLE SEND ME WHAT THEY THINK ARE KILLER EXOTIC PROG/METAL SONGS. eg; bombay vindaloo, nights of arabia-kamelot, bankok-steve vai even if the song isnt entirely exotic/eastern influenced.
thanks all
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:17:48 EDT From: IAmClay777@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5463 Message-ID: <2b.545f3f3.2644a28c@aol.com>
"Hey, what would happen if I dled an MP3 on Napster and Metallica came to my door to personally beat me and I mowed them down with a shotgun? Would everybody finally shut up about this Napster issue?" Seriously, I think we've had all the arguments on this that we can have and it's all getting quite repetitive... Either you think Metallica has a point, or you don't, or you just hate them, but please, let's stop boring ourselves.
On the subject of Yes, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Fragile. I love that LP, it's what got me into Yes in the first place. Especially the instrumental pieces (The Fish kicks ass!) are simply brilliant...
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:11:41 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5463 Message-ID: <000a01bfb6de$e58a3c20$0200010a@steve>
> BECAUSE YOU"RE NOT PAYING FOR THE DISC ITSELF! YOU ARE > PAYING FOR THE MUSIC ON THE DISC! > > Good point, but why then does a cassette with the SAME > MUSIC on it cost $4 less than a cd? It used to be cd's > cost more to produce than cassettes, but now the oppisite > is true, so they are ripping us off at least $4.
What's a cassette? :)
Excellent point. I honestly don't know the answer to this and have never thought about it. My first guess would be sound quality, because cassettes sound like shit.
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:50:04 -0300 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: napster&metazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................... Message-ID: <F9BE4C0BE9224D11DA9C0005B813E913@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>I think I've figured out why this thread is so boring; WHERE THE >HELL IS KORGX3??!?
I've been wondering the same thing... Well, not that part of why the thread is so boring, and that's quite simple, IMO: because it's gone on for WAY TOO LONG... But as to Korg's whereabouts... That's a mystery...
>I FINALLY managed to get Live in Tokyo. Wow what a great tape that >is! Mike's drumsolo kicks serious ass.
Surely does... Infinitely better than the one he does on OiaLT... Just like Ytsejam is much better on LiT than on OiaLT... I guess they decided to start doing the "Fasten Your Seatbelts" thing because they were tired of playing it (just like Mike said they have to fool around with PMU because they've played it so many times), but to me, that just ruined the song... The tempo is so freakin' fast the notes in the solos get all mixed up...
Later, Adriano
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:04:40 -0300 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: An open letter from Metallica Message-ID: <60CE4C0BE9224D11DA9C0005B813E913@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
How many of you read this letter and were completely sick? I've been (or was, not sure by now) a fan of Metallica since 1991, and I think everything they did before S&M was quality music (yeah, most of the people who complain about Load and Reload IMO do it because it's Metallica, if they were done by other band people would be saying how they liked the albums and stuff like that), but this letter made me sick to my stomach...
First they say the lawsuit is not about the money, but then they come up with this:
"We have millions of dollars going to convince you that we don't suck.
And that's what we're trying to protect with our lawsuit. If music were free, there would still be music, there would still be bands, but the promotional money -- or as we call it in the business, the "we don't suck" money -- would dry up. And without that money, face it, you'd be lost. Without the magazine ads and the stand-ups and the elaborate 3-D record covers in the music store windows you'd have to rely on your own personal tastes to decide what music to download and listen to. And let's be honest, if that's what you were into you wouldn't be downloading Metallica albums."
I mean, it's not about the money, but they're doing it to protect the money they use to promote themselves... That just doesn't make sense to me... I apologize for the (sorta) long post, and I know that Metallica is somewhat of a forbidden subject in the jam, but this letter just made me wanna shoot them...
Later, Adriano
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:13:59 EDT From: CoolCris26@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: JP and Live In Tokyo :Best Solo Message-ID: <ea.4e560d4.2644afb7@aol.com>
Dear Ytse Fans, After watching LIT, I have concluded imho that the part from TLF that intros the guitar solo backed up by and awesome drum beat, great sounds from kevin, and myung doing his thing is the best guitar and instrumental JP have ever done. Phenomenal, especially when hooked to a hi-fi vcr and surround sound. Just my DT thoughts of the day. ciao chris
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:01:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: An open letter from Metallica Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10005052301190.28289-100000@vineyard.ecosoft.com>
Umm....
The tongue should have been firmly planted in your cheek whilst you read it.
On Fri, 5 May 2000, Adriano F. Giacomini wrote:
> > How many of you read this letter and were completely sick? I've been > (or was, not sure by now) a fan of Metallica since 1991, and I think > everything they did before S&M was quality music (yeah, most of the > people who complain about Load and Reload IMO do it because it's > Metallica, if they were done by other band people would be saying how > they liked the albums and stuff like that), but this letter made me > sick to my stomach... > > First they say the lawsuit is not about the money, but then they come > up with this: > > "We have millions of dollars going to convince you that we don't suck. > > And that's what we're trying to protect with our lawsuit. If music > were free, there would still be music, there would still be bands, > but the promotional money -- or as we call it in the business, > the "we don't suck" money -- would dry up. And without that money, > face it, you'd be lost. Without the magazine ads and the stand-ups > and the elaborate 3-D record covers in the music store windows you'd > have to rely on your own personal tastes to decide what music to > download and listen to. And let's be honest, if that's what you were > into you wouldn't be downloading Metallica albums." > > I mean, it's not about the money, but they're doing it to protect the > money they use to promote themselves... That just doesn't make sense > to me... I apologize for the (sorta) long post, and I know that > Metallica is somewhat of a forbidden subject in the jam, but this > letter just made me wanna shoot them... > > > Later, > Adriano > > > "A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush your mind right down the drain" > DREAM THEATER > Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your 100MB FREE Internet storage! Sign up now - > http://www.netdrive.com/?ao=zzn >
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:39:41 +0300 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <35A7D40B978CD311AF05002048404D34011BFBDC@wm2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> I agree 100%. IMHO, Pain of Salvation is the >> best (and most unique) thing to happen to >> prog-metal since Dream Theater.
Hey, try Dreamscape !! "Very" is absolutely at the top of the tree. "Trancelike State" is good as well. Almost as good as Superior !! (Really) A real must puchase.
Love and kisses, Hugh G. Rection
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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:53:38 -0500 From: "Wade A. Caudle" <slash@zebra.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Gun Shit- a new look, DT Summer Message-ID: <002801bfb717$0c05c9e0$350f0cd1@slash>
First, just for listeners of Tony Kornheiser, HOW YA DOIN'?
HOW'S IT GOIN?
Anyway, I have a different view of the gun contol debate. You're all fucking wrong and you're going to hell for it- oops, just a little lapse from Bible school. I think the hand gun, as it appears today, is a relic: a weapon whose time has passed, at least for what so many people claim to want them for. I feel that the gun will be phased out anyway by smarter new non-lethal weapons which are being proven very effective even today. Soon these new weapons (and if they are smart, gun manufacturers will get on this bandwagon) will be what people buy for protection. They should me made available to anyone of age with a simpler background check. And maybe not even a permit or license of any kind (vs. all the shit you have to go through now to get a handgun- if somebody was out to get you, you can't just say "can you wait five days so I can get a handgun?"). This will give people the protection they want/need (a weapon that incopacitates) without the hang-ups of licencing or the likelyhood of that weapon could be used to kill THEM, like what happens a lot these days. And sorry, guys who believe that target practice with a live handgun is the greatest: target-practice technogology is far more advanced, accurate and cheaper to operate. You don't see many people practicing sword-fighting with real swords anymore, do ya? They have a name for that - FENCING. The only use for live handguns is war, and really they are only used sparingly there anymore. The gun will become as obsolete as the sword, SO: * their won't be any or many new guns hitting the streets, no need for new gun laws * guns will become collectibles (even more) just like the old swords * crimnals WILL find it harder and harder to get live guns, so gun deaths will decrease * the new technologies will be more accurate and relaible than handguns, so the advantage in a situation will be for the new stuff * it will at least be much harder for kids to kill themselves/each other with this new technology, yet it WILL STILL BE EFFECTIVE * we won't have to be anti-gun or pro-gun, we can all be pro-non-lethal
I believe in the constitional right to bare arms, and people will still be able to exercise this right using these non-lethal weapons and target guns. After all, we'll still have hunting rifles and shotguns, right? And we won't be TAKING AWAY the handguns, just providing a BETTER ALTERNATIVE. Imagine that: phased out by natural selection :)
****DT****
Any hints on summer gigs back here in the States? (with the whole band) Can the US support DT for another round, or will they be pumped up for another recording spree?
Sorry for the long-winded shit:
"Fuck everybody, now that I think of it." -George Carlin.
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