YTSEJAM Digest 5466
Today's Topics:
1) ProjeKCts
by "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." <jeremysw@umd5.umd.edu>
2) Re:
by Fett2002@aol.com
3) laughing my ass off
by "tomas valodka" <tvalodka@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
4) Re: cassette?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) My apologies
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
6) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5465
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
7) Re: Iced Earth
by <dthomas@best.com>
8) Orwell vs. law
by "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
9) Rankin/Bass
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
10) Trans special
by Dustro2@aol.com
11) Re: Iced Earth
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Explorer's club
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
13) Pain of Salvation & Clockwork
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
14) Re: Explorer's club
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
15) echolyn update
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
16) Magna Carta sound
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org>
17) Re: Magna Carta sound
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
18) Re:YTSEJAM digest 5465
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:27:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." <jeremysw@umd5.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: ProjeKCts
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005061116170.25800-100000@holmes.umd.edu>
>Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:58:17 -0400
>From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
>Subject: Roadies, echolyn, projeKcts, Explorer's Club
>On 2000-05-05 at 10:26 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com
><ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
>
>> From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
>> Subject: Brufford, Levin, Projeckts
>>
>> I need some info on these Projekct albums, mainly about the Projekct 2
>> & 3, line-up and other stuff. Anyone?
>
>ProjeKct 2: Fripp on guitar, Trey on Warr, Adrian on V-Drums.
>ProjeKct 3: Fripp on guitar, Trey on Warr, Pat on electronic drums.
Just so the rest know:
ProjeKct 1: Fripp on guitar, Trey on Warr, Tony on bass, Bill on drums
ProjeKct 4: Fripp on guitar, Trey on Warr, Tony on bass, Pat on
electronic drums
>From what I understand, there's one live album from each, plus a
>studio album from 2. There's also the boxed set, with all sorts of
>stuff from all 4 projeKcts.
Originally, the plan was to release the live albums of each of the
ProjeKcts separately. It was then decided to release them together as a
boxed set. So these live albums are on _King Crimson: The ProjeKcts_ and
can only be found there:
ProjeKct 1: Live at the Jazz Cafe
ProjeKct 2: Live Groove
ProjeKct 3: Masque
ProjeKct 4: West Coast Live
There is also a studio album from ProjeKct 2, _Space Groove_. They've
also released a 1-CD sampler called _Guide to the ProjeKcts_. ProjeKct 4
also had a CD on the Collector's Club CD called _The Roar of
P4_. ProjeKct 1, 3 & 4 have never realeased a studio album.
--Jeremy
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:41:19 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <9b.49b9cfd.2645971f@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/6/00 1:05:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Good point, but why then does a cassette with the SAME
> MUSIC on it cost $4 less than a cd? It used to be cd's
> cost more to produce than cassettes, but now the oppisite
> is true, so they are ripping us off at least $4.
Steve Z:
> What's a cassette? :)
>Excellent point. I honestly don't know the answer to this
>and have never thought about it. My first guess would be
>sound quality, because cassettes sound like shit.
It just sounds to me like the record industry was taking advantage of a new
superior form of recording (CD technology) and usuing it as an excuse to
charge more for CDs than cassettes even though they are cheaper to make!
Well, I guess that's just capitalism in work. They charged more and got away
with it. If they wouldnt have sold then I'm sure they would've lowered the
price of them, but they didn't have to. And now it seem like CDs are just
going UP in cost to buy. 17 or 18 bucks for a CD is just ludicrous.
-Mike C.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:28:23 -0400
From: "tomas valodka" <tvalodka@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: laughing my ass off
Message-ID: <9C7C3E788F224D11DA2D0005B8E83109@tvalodka.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Napster-bator....
snort....chuckle.....
BWUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
that just about sums it up. Even though i've contributed my share to
this dead horse flogging, I've maxed out on the topic. I think
everyone with an opinion has expressed it, at least once if not many
times. I think Mr. Portnoy is about the only person I'd like to hear
on the issue from anymore.
I could swear I remember an article in a guitar mag fairly recently
called "Return of the Shredi". It was about Paul Gilbert reforming
Racer X and other 80's speed demons trying to come back. Then again,
I remember seeing a reminder that the gun issue was off limits. (AHEM)
Can anyone tell me the best bait for big redfish?
Ooops, wrong board.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:30:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: cassette?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005061229080.57562-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Robert Muise wrote:
> Actually, from my college days, back in 93 I recall reading in a
> marketing textbook that a CD is far more cheaper to manufacture than a
> Cassette tape, yet because of the "Technology" people will pay more
> for it. Tis why they are priced at sometimes double a tape.
Not to mention why DVDs are so much more expensive than VHS cassettes.
The technology is exactly the same as a CD, so why are they so much more
expensive than CDs and VHS? My guess is because of the sheer numbers of
people that have to get their cut of that CD. I dunno, though.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 13:54:21 -0300
From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: My apologies
Message-ID: <3F8E38AACC224D11DACC0005B8E83179@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Just wanted to apologize for my outburst on that Metallica thing, I
hadn't noticed it was a joke (I know, I'm quite dumb) and I thought
that it was a chance I had to vent my feelings towards the lawsuit...
Once again, I'm sorry...
Later,
Adriano
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 13:04:25 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5465
Message-ID: <245F7E2FFC57D311A6DF0090273628B03BF65F@AMSC_NTAS>
poj said...
> I need some recommendations for 'Iced Earth'. The local
> Camelot has a few
> of their CD's and I was wondering which of theirs I should
> look out for.
As someone else said, "Alive in Athens" is a pretty good start - IF you like
live albums. (Which I do) The production is excellent, yet it still retains
the "rawness" that makes the band special live.
For studio albums, you can't go wrong with "Dark Saga" or "Something Wicked
This Way Comes". "Burnt Offerings" is OK - the songs are great, but I much
prefer the "freshend" versions on the euro 2-disc "Days of Purgatory". I
personally like the songs from the earlier "Iced Earth" and "Night of the
Stormrider", but I don't like the singer on either album - I much prefer
Matt Barlow's awesome, emotional voice.
Don't expect a technical prog-metal ride, though - these guys are straight
power metal - although the playing is very good, there's no wacky 12/8
sections. They just bludgeon you over the head with good songs - especially
the "Something Wicked" trilogy that closes the album of the same name, which
is some of the best metal ever recorded. Period.
They're at their best live, though - we've played with them twice, and they
were excellent - nice guys, too, willing to talk to the fans anytime.
Mike
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: <dthomas@best.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Iced Earth
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0005061034490.5981-100000@fpage2.ba.best.com>
Well, I'd go with "The Dark Saga" if they have that one. I think that's
their best. But I really just like all their stuff. Iced Earth is a band
that could be HUGE if they got any sort of actual promotion. I think a lot
of M*t*ll*c* fans would like them, for example.
Anyone know a good place to order the 3 CD version of their Live
collection? I see the two disc one all the time in stores, but I don't
want that one.
DT
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 19:42:26 +0200
From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Orwell vs. law
Message-ID: <200005061742.TAA06972@altair.ceu.hu>
> Sounds pretty Orwellian to me! >>
>
> Just sounds like "law enforcement" to me. :)
I would just like to note that these two do not exclude each
other at all.
T-Bone
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:53:00 -0800 (PST)
From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Rankin/Bass
Message-ID: <20000506175301.476C5E0A9@sitemail.everyone.net>
>>From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
>>Subject: D-man's Words
>>But don't get me wrong - Your words carry the ring of truth, yes your words
>>ring true ;)
>obviously a fan of Rankin/Bass...
>Rumplestiltskin - GOTCHA!
>>-Koggie...
>>..Can't wait for the Lord of the Rings movies
>need I say more? ;)
-Busted!
-Koggie
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 14:22:40 EDT
From: Dustro2@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Trans special
Message-ID: <a4.3fa5621.2645bcf0@aol.com>
OK IM sure this has been covered....... but i need to know were i can get the
transatlantic Special edition ????????...and what is the difference from the
one u can get in the store???????..thanks
dustro
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 14:46:49 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Iced Earth
Message-ID: <9c.380a72a.2645c299@aol.com>
In a message dated 05/06/2000 11:40:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Hey Jammers...
I need some recommendations for 'Iced Earth'. The local Camelot has a few
of their CD's and I was wondering which of theirs I should look out for.
thanks
poj >>
As many Jammers have said, the band seems to be getting better with each
album. "Something Wicked This Way Comes" (their latest studio effort) is
probably, top to bottom, their strongest album. A close second IMO is "The
Dark Saga" (their second to latest studio effort). Their "Alive In Athens"
live set is killer, with a great song selection.
The music I suppose can be described as thrash/power metal, and it's very
very good. I love this band. I know some other Jammer offered to make up
some MP3's for you, which is great. There are also some downloadable MP3's
from each of their albums (of less-than-CD quality, I think, but enough to
give you an idea) from the band's official website:
In my opinion, the song selection of the MP3's on the site does not reflect
all of their best material, but it's enough to give you a taste of what
they're all about.
Hope this helps... Matt T.
NP: In Flames "Colony"
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Explorer's club
Message-ID: <20000506191611.26566.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com>
I too have gotten explorers club recently. I love it,
however I have a question about the mixing. Is it
just me or does it sound sort of muddled? Was that
intentional? Any feedback would be appreciated.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:04:44 -0400
From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Pain of Salvation & Clockwork
Message-ID: <20000506.201205.-982109.0.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> I can think of two tons worth of
> bands that are worthy of the attention of everyone
> here - some of which (like Spock's Beard) seem to have
> really taken hold of a lot of people around here, and
> some that go largely ignored - Clockwork, Mayadome,
> Aryeon, Behind the Curtain, Digital Ruin, Reading
> Zero...well, the list is as long as my arm
I thought Clockwork broke up, or at least went alternative.
You guys peaked my interest in Pain of Salvation. Two questions: Operatic
vocals or growling vocals? and which CD should I pick up (if it matters,
I hate growling vocals)
-Dan.
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:10:39 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Explorer's club
Message-ID: <3914D09F.F633E61B@yunque.net>
rob denni wrote:
> I too have gotten explorers club recently. I love it,
> however I have a question about the mixing. Is it
> just me or does it sound sort of muddled? Was that
> intentional? Any feedback would be appreciated.
>
Thats what you get with older magna carta (or should i say non
portnoy-involved) products.
Most magna carta discs sound awful...aside from LTE 1 and 2 (the 2 being
worlds better than the 1 in terms of quality of sound) and
transatlantic...
Dalis dilemma has an acceptable sound quality too..
but most of the other discs sound muddled..as you put it..
Come into this night, Your plight alone
Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us
Come into this night, You only home
Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss
Opeth : Benighted
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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:21:47 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: echolyn update
Message-ID: <20000507052147.75220.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey, that non-lethal weaponry stuff is a cool idea and all....but I'm
betting that a few short years after they're approved and start getting
phased in all over the country, the lasers or whatever pain-inducing method
is involved will be shown to be carcinogenic, just like everything else
turns out to be if you read enough 'scientific' reports.
Anyway, about echolyn: Post break-up, they split into two bands. Ray Weston
and Brett Kull (and Paul Ramsay, i think, but am not totally sure of) went
and formed "Still", under which they released an album. They they realized
it wasn't a particularly original name, and so they took the name of the
album, "Always Almost" as their band name, and released "God Pounds His
Nails." Kinda disappointing, much more mainstreamish than echolyn, and it
had me thinking Beatles/Oasis at points. A highlight was the cover of Gentle
Giant's Aspiration (s?).....I'm not really sure what those guys did in the
past two years....I heard something about the Dark Aether Project and Ray
Weston, but I'm not sure if that was a side gig, or soomething else.
Chris Buzby in the meantime went off and joined his little bro and a couple
of others to form Finneus Gauge, a prog fusion outfit that was further out
of the mainstream than echolyn. Some really wild, and really cool stuff,
with More Once More being a little lighter in tone, and imo better overall
than their second and last "One Inch of the Fall".
I'd e-mail Brett Kull about two years ago, and he mentioned getting the
echolyn name operational again, with someone other than Chris Buzby at the
keys slot....somewhere along the line (probably after Fineeus Gague's
guitarist and bassist abandoned ship in a rather messy manner last year),
Buzby joined in on the rebirth of echolyn....
Partha
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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:05:44 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Magna Carta sound
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005070801270.22583-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
> Dalis dilemma has an acceptable sound quality too..
> but most of the other discs sound muddled..as you put it..
How about Shadow Gallery's Carved in Stone? And the Ice Age disc? They
sound pretty alright to me. Even Explorer's Club isn't that bad I think,
but of course I'm a not an expert. Only Lemur Voice's Insights' production
isn't really top production IMO.
Peter
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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 07:24:15 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Magna Carta sound Message-ID: <3915525F.3F482FC3@yunque.net>
Peter Geerts wrote:
> On Sat, 6 May 2000, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote: > > > Dalis dilemma has an acceptable sound quality too.. > > but most of the other discs sound muddled..as you put it.. > > How about Shadow Gallery's Carved in Stone? And the Ice Age disc? They > sound pretty alright to me. Even Explorer's Club isn't that bad I think, > but of course I'm a not an expert. Only Lemur Voice's Insights' production > isn't really top production IMO. > > Peter >
I guess its just a matter of taste somehow, because to me Insights is one of the best produced magna carta discs (they used their own producer i think ) Youre right, the second and third shadow gallery discs sound alright, although the guitars are really pussied out. (maybe thats just the sound they are looking for though) But still, if you listen to say, LTE 2, and then listen to any other MC disc, LTE2 sounds worlds better. MP and JP have become pretty good at producing (of course, the insight of someone who knows this shit better than i do will certainly be appreciated) . Im just saying that because LTE2 and SFAM sound awesome..
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: 7 May 2000 13:48:04 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:YTSEJAM digest 5465 Message-ID: <20000507134804.9756.qmail@musone.chek.com>
>From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> >Subject: You people boggle me (gun stuff)
Oh Christ, can we stop this RIGHT NOW before it turns into a (f)lame war. Let it go, everyone.
>From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> >Subject: Audio gear
Al, I'm using a pair of Sprit Soundcraft Absolute Zero monitor speakers, Folio Notepad and an Alesis RA100 as the busniess end of a stereo. Cost about Ģ500. Good little investment?
>From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> >Subject: more than you ever wanted to know > >And this isn't really a defense of the Metallica/Napster >situation, but it should give some extra food for thought >that hasn't been considered. > >totally different manner? Have they come to the >conclusion that bootlegging hurts other bands? Or are >they only watching their own bottom line? > >The hypocrisy angle is only valid if they STILL bootleg >other stuff, yet are trying to keep their fans from >doing the same to their own work - the case of 'Do as I >say, not as I do'. And that's DO, not DID. People rarely
Goddamnit! This isn't about bootlegs, Metallica always have been (and say they always will be) pro-bootleg. What we're talking about here is PIRACY, and what Napster are doing by faciliting piracy and making money from is is - depending upon how well disposed towards them you are - either Conspiracy to Commit Piracy, or they are guilty of being a Knowing Accessory to Piracy.
>From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> >Subject: RE: cassette?
>underpriced, not overpriced. Their rationale for this >is that cassettes will eventually wear out, whereas a CD >will be around forever. Therefore
Balls. CDs wear out to. I'm sure Al can supply details better than I can; but they do wear out.
>it's worth more to the consumer to be able to listen to >Britny Spears in the year 2075. It's logic like that
Yeah, but who the fuck is gonna want to listen to Britney Spheres in 2007, let alone 2075.
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