YTSEJAM Digest 5459
Today's Topics:
1)
by Lyle <lyle_k@yahoo.com>
2) Pics are up!
by Lyle <lyle_k@yahoo.com>
3) cheap midi keyboards
by Billy920@webtv.net
4) nap, maiden, dman, tallica, sing
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) One more plug on mp3s... Death of Napster...
by "Mark Philpot" <mep10@duke.edu>
6) Re: One more plug on mp3s... Death of Napster...
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5458
by EvoReaper@aol.com
8) Re: lost? go, galactic!
by JamesAhab@aol.com
9) Finally Free Percussion
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
10) Peavey Medley
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
11) What happened to....?
by "Carlos Alfaro (ICQ#1254229)" <carlos@artepr.com>
12) Napster
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
13) Re: lost? go, galactic!
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
14) vocals
by Uroborosss@aol.com
15) Pain of Salvation
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
16) Musitions height
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
17) privacy
by Uroborosss@aol.com
18) Re: copyrights, liability and Napster...NEXT! on Oprah
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
19) James Hetfield
by Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au
20) Misquoting James...
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:29:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lyle <lyle_k@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <20000503222915.10925.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com>
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:33:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lyle <lyle_k@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Pics are up!
Message-ID: <20000503223324.11670.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com>
Hey All-
As promised (and I know you've been holding your breath), the
pics of the Chicago show are up, as well as various and
sundry other Kodak moments...
http://www.geocities.com/lyle_k/greatness.html
Lyle
P.S. I'm the big guy with all the passes stuck to his chest! <grin>
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:55:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Billy920@webtv.net
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: cheap midi keyboards
Message-ID: <2985-3910AE47-1100@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Hey JAMmers.
Just a lil' note to interested parties(Matt Birskovich in particular)
The Yamaha PSR series is a very affordable means of "communicating" with
your computer. (I have the 530 & am quite pleased with it) The series
runs from very cheap to reasonable expense.
MIDI compatable & ready to plug in(port jack not included) The higher up
you go the more features, but judging by your inquiry I think the PSR
530 (around $600-$1000 depeding on where you shop) is well worth a test
drive. Just a thought. Let me know what you think .
Billy.
When in doubt, I whip it out. I got me a rock 'n
roll band... The Nuge
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:14:17 -0400
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: nap, maiden, dman, tallica, sing
Message-ID: <001d01bfb55d$b15532c0$0200010a@steve>
> Anyway... its a touchy issue, and suing the fans isn't the
right way to
> solve it.
Who's suing the fans?
> I would just like to point the uncanny (that is to say,
very much
> unlike a can [sorry]) resemblence that Metallica's
"Unforgiven II"
> has to Iron Maiden's "Children of the Damned" - hell it's
even got
> the same intro solo.
Hmm...while the intro solos are completely different and
Unforgiven II is just far more interesting, I certainly hear
a resemblance.
> > > Whats "NP" stand for?
> >
> > Napster Pussies. :)
>
> Thanks, SZ. Funniest thing I read all week. :)
hehehehe NP, D. :P
(NP stands for 'no problem')
You know, D-Man, your return to the 'jam has caused me to
change my mail reader to a fixed-width font, just so I can
see your sig. :)
> >Subject: More on newer Yes
I know it's hardly newer Yes, but doe anyone else out there
think that "Union" is really cool? I'm diggin it this week.
(Keep in mind I don't really like Yes.)
> I'd take bets that Metallica LOSES money by the time they
pay the lawyers,
> but succeeds in setting up the monitoring (and prevention)
of their
> copyrighted material being distributed through Napster.
Other than promotion
> - which they're getting by the bushel-load - that's the
only goal I can see
> for this.
I agree with Mike here. That's the best possible outcoe of
this whole ordeal.
> Dan said...
>
> > I was looking for an excuse to suck.
>
> No one ever needs an excuse to suck, it's an innate talent
in humans. It
> takes years of training and conditioning to get over it.
:)
>
> Mike
> Division
Besides, Mike is pretty tall, and he certainly doesn't suck!
> Now that everyone has beaten and whipped my ass for that
[ignorant]
> comment I made regarding singers, I feel very humbled,
yes...I'm
> still gonna take back my comment from earlier...
Yay! Good for you!
> AiC's one of my favorite bands, so of course I'm biased,
but I don't think
> there's much reason to dis his skills. Especially compared
with other singers
> from the 90s ie Kobain, Weiland, Durst, Barenaked Old
Ladies guys...
I don't know. Scott Weiland never bothered me. I don't
like BNL's music very much, but their singing is pretty
good.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:27:16 -0400
From: "Mark Philpot" <mep10@duke.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: One more plug on mp3s... Death of Napster...
Message-ID: <000e01bfb55f$80d7a540$9bea1098@duke.edu>
Just to clarify (not that anyone cares or anything).
Mp3s are probably the greatest thing that happened to the music industry
since... well CDs. Before, trying to get my friends to listen to DT was
almost impossilbe. It just never worked out. However since mp3s... I can
select a few songs that I think my friend would like, and boom, they're
hooked. I gotten LOTS of my friends now to go out and buy EVERY SINGLE DT
album just because I sent them some mp3s!!!! Mp3s are great, as long as its
use is limited to sampling!
IMO, Napster should be shut down. It specifically advocates copyright
violation, and while I believe its a little ironic that Metallica is the one
to do the bitch slapping, I think its something that needs to be done. But
again, my fear, is that if Napster goes down, so do places like mp3.com
which advocates to up-and-comming artists to get a foot in the door. I hope
that's not what happens... though right now I do see Napster biting the big
one.
Now... after that nice little study break, its back to finals.... ARG!!!!
Mark
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:46:36 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: One more plug on mp3s... Death of Napster...
Message-ID: <3910C86C.209F05D6@yunque.net>
Mark Philpot wrote:
> I gotten LOTS of my friends now to go out and buy EVERY SINGLE DT
> album just because I sent them some mp3s!!!! Mp3s are great, as long as its
> use is limited to sampling!
Same here, IMO, mp3 should be limited to low quality versions of full songs, or
high quality samples. And not permit almost cd quality of full songs. That way
at least there is SOME incentive...
although there are some people who just dont give a fuck about how the song
sounds...(lots of people i know record songs off the radio on cassette, so go
figure!)
Come into this night, Your plight alone
Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us
Come into this night, You only home
Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss
Opeth : Benighted
Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc.
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:05:18 EDT
From: EvoReaper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5458
Message-ID: <ba.4f39073.264226ce@aol.com>
<< (And it's Queenr=FFche) >>
Figures, I go and try to spell it all cool, and through the miralce of E-mail
it gets f*cked up.
Queensryche is the proper spelling. There are two dots above the "Y" which
was what got messed up in the previous mail.
And what's up with those stupid "=20" things stuck next to the end of each
line...damn you.
<<Can we not have any Layne Staley bashing? First off, he is off it, second,
it
was people ripping open his private life and tearing apart his personality by
syaing such things that made him dislike touring... Along with the whole
exhaustion thing of it. Also, if a few hundred 'fans' post your dead fiance's
obituary all over the net, I think you'd get kinda pissed and reclusive. Just
a thought.>>
Cheers....
I totally agree. I've got nothing but the utmost respect for Layne since he's
kicked the habit. He deserves a great congrats, seeming how many people get
hooked and how many people quit or die. I don't think Chains ever really gets
the respect they deserve as a really great band from other musician's, which
is too bad. I think Chains are in for a new album anytime soon....
While we're at it, Congratulations Scott Weiland...
Warm Regards,
Andy
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:56:29 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: lost? go, galactic!
Message-ID: <a7.38c504a.264232cd@aol.com>
>< didn't somebody tell me that expedia.com SUCKS? Well, them and the
entire city of philadelphia. Satch was playing some venue called the Electric
Factory which is on Willow St. Well, aparently, most of Willow St. (which is
just an alley) is on the east side of the city ><
Don't blame philly for expedia.com's wrong information. The Electric Factory
is on Callowhill st. between 6th and spring garden.
>< >but their most recent album "At the End of the Day" was so strong...>
If by strong you mean strong-smelling, then, yes, I agree with you.
Everything they have put out since Machine Fish has been utter crap. Weak
attempts at going alternative do not equate to "strong." ><
The Horse that bud Bought had it's moments. Machine Fish was like the worst
album of all time. But At the end of the day was a mix of the harder, more
straight-forward metal from their metal blade era and the harmony-driven
early stuff. i'd say it was my 2nd favorite by them. it was a fine album.
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:01:57 EDT
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Finally Free Percussion
Message-ID: <11.33cc80a.26423415@aol.com>
Hey,
Does anyone know if there are tabs or sheet music for the drum part in FF? I
am still trying to figure out some of the rhythms that MP uses during the
final few minutes of music. Can someone help me out?
Thanks,
Todd
"I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset."
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:32:35 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Peavey Medley
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000503223235.0082b0d0@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
for those interested...
you can get the peavey medley (that 30 minute song that Mike Keneally and
Dweezil Zappa played with bits of songs from 1970 to 1990 at Peavey's
anniversary)
the URL where you can get this is
http://www.onelist.com/files/azdz
or
enjoy
--- Don't talk unless you can improve the silence.Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:30:09 +0500 From: "Carlos Alfaro (ICQ#1254229)" <carlos@artepr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: What happened to....? Message-ID: <20000504032806067.AAA492@mail2.yunque.net@artepr.com>
Dalis Dilemma! Whats up with them? i still listen to this cd regularly! I know matt guillory used to be on this list if i remember correctly.. whats up ?!
/me secretly thinks DT wouldve rocked with Guillory on keys instead of JR
(sorry, i just love Guillory's style)
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:54:26 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Napster Message-ID: <007401bfb57c$72504aa0$f3b7fea9@madstation>
What would happen to a cd store clerk that took one copy of every release in the store, and made copies for everyone and handed them out freely? THAT'S wrong to do... why is MP3 right?
(I don't mean legal mp3s)
"If you had a neck and I had hands, I would squeeze your brain, which is your body, right out the top of your head, which does not exist!" - Carl, of Carl and Son, makers of Chambraign
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:59:33 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: lost? go, galactic! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000503225933.0082e900@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
>The Horse that bud Bought had it's moments. Machine Fish was like the worst >album of all time. But At the end of the day was a mix of the harder, more >straight-forward metal from their metal blade era and the harmony-driven >early stuff. i'd say it was my 2nd favorite by them. it was a fine album.
one of the best songs that Ive heard lately is Ants by the galactic cowboys
--- Don't talk unless you can improve the silence.
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:59:52 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: vocals Message-ID: <e3.3ef1728.26425dc8@aol.com>
> From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> > Subject: Height and Vocals > > Gilbert is over 6'5" and Holdsworth, Malmsteen, Buckethead, off the top > of my head, are all taller than I am.
An uncontrollable gush of mental images hit me when I read that list of names. "Scarecrow is over 6'5" and Tin Man, Cowardly Lion, Toto, off the top..."
(The only available Dorothy in this equation would be Malmsteen's scared wife.)
> LOTS. Here's a better one for you. Check out the number of > Italian-American shredders vs. non Italians.
For your information, we prefer to be called "Mediterranean-Americans."
>> singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No offense to any >> singers out there).
Whoever wrote the above quote got attacked because he was misinterpreted. There is a difference between "learn" and "do well."
Some skills are easy to learn or "pick up," but true mastery of them may take years, sometimes decades. Archery comes to mind, as does guitar-playing. Firing an arrow is as easy as strumming in E-major. Most people get that far and stop, or they give up altogether out of boredom because they think there's nothing else to learn.
Other things are easy to master because there are very few levels of advancement once you're doing it, but picking up the basics are next to impossible for some people. Yo-yo tricks fall into this category - if you can't even make it sleep you're missing half of the good stuff. But once you can relax and walk the dog, the physical obstacles fall away and you aren't too far from whipping up an Atom-Smasher. Balloon animals fall into this category as well. If you're afraid of twisting, the balloon will sense your fear and pop every time, but once you build yourself six or seven puppies you have enough skill to make an entire zoo and open up your own booth at the county fair.
I think singing is easy to learn and almost impossible to master. I think 1% of the people who set out to "become singers" actually succeed by the highest standards the art form offers. Perhaps less than 1%.
Having used my voice for 24 years now, I can comfortably say I have more control over my voice than I do my guitar. Why is it I can hum songs just by thinking them, or hum entire guitar solos, but I can't do the same thing on my guitar unless I noodle around and try to find the right notes? Why can I blurt out stylistic nuances with my voice just by hearing a song, but have to practice for weeks to nail a solo on the guitar? Am I just really stupid or do I have more control over my voice? I think part of the reason singing is so easy to fly into or "approach" is because the raw material required for singing (A VOICE) is bundled into the package. Kind of like Microsoft Explorer.
However, I also think mastery of singing is harder than any other instrument, because the flip-side of always having a voice and being familiar with it is that most people grow up speaking instead of singing. Most people who take voice lessons have to spend time UN-learning things, whether it's improper breathing or speech impediments they didn't even know they had. With exo-sonic instruments (instruments that make noise from outside the body) such as the guitar, there is nothing to un-learn. This is a tricky subject to speak about fairly, so I'll close by saying I can play circles around Luciano Pavarotti and I'll never be able to sing like him.
> Most people who call themselves "singers" or even "vocalists" are not > trained and are not particularly skilled.
If there were an Olympic event called "shoe-tying," and one of the finalists could tie his shoes in .04 seconds using half-inch-thick strands of bridge cable, not many people would pay attention. This is because shoe-tying is everywhere and everyone thinks they're an expert at tying their shoes, so just glimpsing an event title of "SHOE-TYING" would cause most people to direct their attention elsewhere.
Mastery of something that has completely saturated the public view and is "dabbled in" by everyone is a very hard thing, because once you develop precision and become a real expert you have to convince the dabblers around you that you really do know something they don't. Photographers everywhere have to argue with their clients because MotoPhoto is just around the corner and everyone with a camera thinks they're equal to everyone else with a camera. Singers have it even worse because people start singing when they're, like, eight months old. Even if someone could tie their shoes in .04 seconds using half-inch-thick strands of bridge cable, people would probably still scoff at the idea because shoe-tying is everywhere
> Let's not even get STARTED on things like AutoTune (the talented > vocalist's worst enemy)
No no, please, let's get started on AutoTune. When I first heard "Believe" by Cher, the first thing that popped into my head was, "this must be useful for people who can't sing in tune." But then I started thinking about other things that are never in tune. Instruments that CAN'T be in tune because their design prohibits perfect balance. Such as my six-stringed, floating-tremolo, hypersensitive electric guitar. You know, the one that can't have perfect intonation or be perfectly tuned because it's physically impossible, just like every other doomed electric guitar on the planet. (if you think out-of-tune syndrome comes from not being able to properly tune a guitar, you need to have your ears checked. perfect intonation is a myth.)
Would it be possible to utilize the AutoTune effect on an electric guitar so the open strings would match the fifth frets, etc.? Would it be possible to overcome the intonation limitation via technology? Integrating AutoTune with things like bends or vibrato would be the hard part...
> and all the processing in current pop (have any of you HEARD the timbre > of Britney Spears voice on her new tune
She does a lot of creaking. I almost laughed listening to her door-hinge and rocking-chair impersonations. I guess that's part of her style, but I don't believe it can take the place of actual notes. It is possible after all to be TOO sultry. I'm not even talking about the electronic processing here - what do you call that thing she does before every line? "Creaking up into a note from the bowels of non-noteness?"
> Being a singer in general does not necessarily require ANY discipline.
Much like being a talker in general does not necessarily require any discipline. Orating lines of magnificent prose from a Shakespearean play on a stage in London, now that's another story.
> It's just that we haven't defined concrete categories to toss vocalists into as > with guitarists for example (wanker, shredder, "he's not a guitarist, he's a > guy with a guitar" etc)
Ahem. As a representative of Shredders Anonymous, I'd just like to admit out in the open that no group of musicians are as nit-picky and categorizing as guitarists.
Dream Theater rules.
:)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:36:29 +1000 From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9BC20876@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
Heya everyone
With all this talk about PoS you've got my attention! What kind of music do they play and what is the vocalist like? Id love to know before i order it because us lucky Australians have to pay heaps for CD's like that
Cheers
NP: Biaxident - LTE2
-------------------------- Mystery ------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is no more assuring than love There are no answers from voices above You're fighting the wheight of the world No one can save you this time Close your eyes you can find all you need in your mind Take the time - Images and Words Dream Theater -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:07:53 +1000 From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Musitions height Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9BC20879@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
Hi
Maybe i missed something but why on earth would a shorter muso be better than a tall one?
Just curious thats all
ps: Im 6 foot and I consider myself a pretty decent singer/drummer :)
-------------------------- Mystery ------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is no more assuring than love There are no answers from voices above You're fighting the wheight of the world No one can save you this time Close your eyes you can find all you need in your mind Take the time - Images and Words Dream Theater -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:14:35 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: privacy Message-ID: <30.4a0ad3e.26426f4b@aol.com>
> From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> > Subject: mp3s, Yes, Metallica, ... > > A week or two ago, you would have found me firmly entrenched in this > argument on the pro-musicians' rights side. Now, I'm just sick.
The issue is now officially a roller-coaster. Some folks are throwing up. I'm cackling with glee.
"Hey Napster! Stop putting our music on your website!" "We don't provide the content. And we can't control what people trade back and forth on their hard-drives, genius." "Then stop letting people trade our music on your website." "How the heck are we supposed to know who all those people are?" "Here's a list of several thousand. Block their access right now or suffer our legal hailstorm. Dr. Dre is licking his chops right now." "Um..." (ball now in Napster's court)
> Metallica ought to be ashamed of themselves for threatening to go > after actual, individual fans. This is unabashed terrorism.
I think Metallica is using the list of names to show Napster that it CAN be done, that you CAN track down copyright-ignoring miscreants. I don't think Metallica is planning on suing thousands of people. They've viciously removed Napster's escape-hatch with laser precision. "I thought you said this was impossible? Here's your evidence, now take action on them or we'll take action on YOU."
> Metallica would never be in a position to abuse their new-found power > if it weren't for their fans' persistence on getting the word out --
Metallica isn't going to sue their entire fanbase. At least... I don't ... THINK they will ...
They can't ... DO that ... can they??
> On the other hand, Napster should be fucking shot for letting this > happen. How did this NetPD firm get this information?
How dare the C.I.A. know where all my relatives live. My relatives should be shot for allowing the government to know so much.
Metallica could have hired a single, lonely hacker to do the same job. Asking how anyone "got the information" is like expressing amazement that someone solved a puzzle you thought couldn't be solved. I don't see what's so incredible about this situation.
> And, of course, the people at NetPD themselves should be strapped > to chairs in moldy basements and forced to listen to ReLoad for days > on end without any Master of Puppets to break up the monotony.
lol
I try to argue with D-Man, and he pulls stuff like this... :)
> How are we to expect our private information to remain private if we can't > trust those who assure that it will remain private?
Stop expecting and stop trusting. Keep your private information to yourself. Don't expect anyone to keep your secrets unless they are (1) cyborgs who don't need food or sleep or money, or (2) Vulcans, who cannot lie.
> Where are the lawsuits against Metallica, or NetPD, for what > appears to be theft of private property?
Scribbling down all the names that appear on the packages at the post office isn't the same thing as opening all the packages and running away with a cartload of other people's stuff. How is monitoring a bunch of e-mail addresses the same as stealing private property? And if you're so concerned about the theft of private property, what have you done to combat .mp3s? Do you have any .mp3s on your computer? What's taking you so long to shut down the internet, D-Man? Why are you even USING the internet in the first place when it's basically a giant 24-hour theft-mart?
hehheh "theft-mart" ... lol
Or is it just suddenly unacceptable when Metallica enters the fray, stealing private property along with the millions of other people who have been doing it for years?
> Where are the Metallica fans standing up and chastising the band, not > for sucking, but for invasion of privacy? This is out of hand, and it has to > stop.
Why haven't I stood up and called you silly for unveiling the contents of your hard-drive to millions of web-surfing maniacs? Metallica examines your guts and it's suddenly an invasion of privacy, but the random net-whores who prod around and take what they like are a-okay? I'm going to sue Pontiac for puting glass windows in my car, because Metallica could look into my windshield and see what I've got in my backseat. I don't mind if YOU can see my ice-scraper and flashlight, but if Lars Ulrich looks into my backseat, I'll beat his goddamn brains in.
> Protect your privacy on-line!
Get rich quick with Amway!
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:45:49 +0000 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: copyrights, liability and Napster...NEXT! on Oprah Message-ID: <3910E45C.C53761E5@bu.edu>
> the difference between ftp/web sites and Napster is that Napster does > not hold the data in question. only ftp/web sites that physically (if > you can call a bunch of electrons physical) contain the data are > shutdown. (ever come across a dead link on a warez site? yeesh.) the > only information Napster sees is where to get the data; they don't store > the actual data. > Only a pirate would hide behind this lame and pathetic excuse. No other business besides and Internet company would offer this as an excuse. You know why-- because all real businesses have to take, or the government has to force them to take, responsibility for the actions of their products.
The auto industry is required to install seatbelts in all its cars and abide by federal standards to protect the passengers. Cigarette manufacturers are required to put a warning label on all packs. Alcohol companies can't sell their product to people under 21. IN NO WAY AM I COMPARING THE CONSEQUENCES OF NAPSTER TO THOSE OF THE PREVIOUS BUSINESSES. Those are just examples to illustrate a point.
The point is that you have to look at the intent of the product and then address whether it violates any laws or harms a sector of the population and then assess the product's value against its negatives. Napster has one purpose to trade MP3s. I'm pretty sure over 90 percent of the MP3s available on the Internet are illegal. So logic says Napster has ONE purpose, which is to facilitate access to illegal MP3s. How anyone can say Napster is doing nothing wrong is beyond me-- It is a specific accomplice to a crime.
Sure someone will say "Oh what about the Internet and ISPs as a whole." Well, those businesses provide access to many legal and beneficial sites. But when a company's entire business is based on providing access to illegal material, there is a huge problem-- one it must take responsibility for.
Isaac
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:54:24 +1000 From: Marie.Donnell@agso.gov.au To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: James Hetfield Message-ID: <52113C81E9ACD31182D40060B0570D9BC2087E@agsomail1.agso.gov.au>
>Actually, at least for me, James' siging is one of the reasons I hate the >new stuff. I'll admit to having bought S&M and liking it, but even >Hetfield's singing the old stuff just sucks. It's not just his singing th= >at >i hate about post-Justice Metallica, but it certainly plays a part.
I agree that James' vocals are better on the post justice albums but i don tthink that is the main reason for the dissapointment. I used to be a huge Metallica fan, had all their albums and all the books and the way i look at it, if you have a really open mind and imagine that Load and Reload aren't Metallica, it's pretty decent music. Although it is simple its catchy. I've only listened to S&M a few times and i didnt really like the way they played some of their old stuff. Its like they've totally changed the way they play. Actually its funny, comparing S&M to when i saw them 2 years ago in Sydney for the reload tour, they kicked ass live, played all of their old stuff and i compared it to vids like Cliff em All and A year and a half.. and its almost like he's had further training on his voice and i just dont think it suits the whole style I took some of the live quality out of the performance. I didnt really like S&M very much anyways, thats only IMO
Cheers
-------------------------- Mystery ------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is no more assuring than love There are no answers from voices above You're fighting the wheight of the world No one can save you this time Close your eyes you can find all you need in your mind Take the time - Images and Words Dream Theater -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 03:09:36 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Misquoting James... Message-ID: <20000504.031251.-7243.2.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Woops yall are right. I changed my signature and Im sorry James i didn't mean to do it.
Kurt NP-Creed "Say I" (So sue me alright!)
"damn I need a new signature now" me after reading ytsejam 5456
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