YTSEJAM Digest 5468
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Iced Earth 3-CD Live Version
by "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@full-moon.com>
2) Re: DVD$
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5467
by Fett2002@aol.com
4) Re: Pink Floyd: The Wall LIve
by Fett2002@aol.com
5) Oy, the ticket prices these days
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
6) Possibly stupid question
by Niall <niall@ntf.com.au>
7) Pink Floyd - Is there anybody out there ?
by Daniel Wannemacher <dany@cs.uni-sb.de>
8) RE: transatlantic...
by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Hagstr=F6m?=" <mikael.hagstrom@bracke.mail.telia.com>
9) LIT solo
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
10) Gordian Knot
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) DVD Petition
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
12) Re: LIT solo
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Re: Cable modem and DSL speeds...and SMPT:e
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
14) ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
15) Re: DVD Petition
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
16) female prog singers
by "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com>
17) Pain of Salvation
by "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com>
18) one of those 'Hey...!' moments...
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org>
19) Brett Kull from Echolyn...
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
20) Clockwork & DVD's & 5150
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
21) Orwellian activity...
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
22) RE: Clockwork & DVD's & 5150
by David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com>
23) Where Im at right now
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
24) CD-Cassette-DVD Prices
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:22:03 -0400
From: "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@full-moon.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Iced Earth 3-CD Live Version
Message-ID: <008101bfb8a5$35f7a540$4b323ccc@jamesarin>
MoreMetal.com has the triple CD for $19.99, I just ordered it from them.
Later
Jim
----- Original Message -----
]From: <MTeiper@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Iced Earth 3-CD Live Version
>
> In a message dated 05/07/2000 11:41:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
>
> << Anyone know a good place to order the 3 CD version of their Live
> collection? I see the two disc one all the time in stores, but I don't
> want that one. >>
>
> I ordered mine right from the source: http://www.centurymedia.com
>
> I just checked it out, and they have it for $25, which I think is pretty
> cheap. I've ordered from them a lot, and they're awesome to deal with...
> very cheap prices and quick delivery. I've never had any problems
whatsoever
> with Century Media, and I don't think you can go wrong there.
>
> Hope this helps... Matt T.
>
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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DVD$
Message-ID: <20000508050227.12354.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com>
> actually, around here, DVDs tend to be cheaper than
> VHS. Likely
> it's because they AREN'T selling, and the industry
> needs to
> ween people on to them so they can start jacking the
> prices up
Timely subject for me. I purchased a copy of Clerks
(on DVD) today. The total cost for me was $37.50.
What the fuck?!?! I mean, I love Clerks as much as
the next guy, but Lord that seems to be two assloads
of cash to pay for a single disc DVD. *MAYBE* for a
double disc, but the Clerks disc wasn't just loaded
with extras. Anywho, anyone buy the RoboCop Criterion
DVD? That kicked so much ass. A friend loaned it to
me. It costed him a pretty penny, but man oh man it
was worth it!
=====
*Trent
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Coming up a which way sign. All good truants must decide.
stripped and sold mom. An auctioned forearm and whiskers in the sink. Truants move on, cannot stay long.
Some die just to live..."
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 02:45:14 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5467
Message-ID: <ba.51cc7f9.2647bc7a@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/8/00 12:24:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< think, at least in Andrew's example, that its a matter of availability to
you.
For example, most of you guys who can see DT each year or more than once a
year
will not pay 40$ gladly to see them, yet for someone like me, or someone from
another country which DT doesnt tour, 40$ bucks sounds like NOTHING,
compared to
booking a flight, hotel and transportation plus tickets, in order to see your
favorite band..
its just a matter of where youre coming from. >>
Everytime DT tours they come here (in Philly) and luckily I dont have to pay
$40. BUT, if they charged it then I would certainly pay it. It'd be well
worth it IMO. I consider music to be one of the best bargains in life. For
example, paying $13 for SFAM is just an unbelievable bargain considering how
much enjoyment I have gotten from it and will get from it for years to come.
-Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 02:51:51 EDT
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd: The Wall LIve
Message-ID: <e4.4978c7a.2647be07@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/8/00 12:24:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Does anybody know what extra goodies are included in the box version of the
new Floyd live The Wall ("Is There Anybody Out There") CDs?
There is a regular 2CD version, and a boxed version, which is about $15
more.
Thanks,
- Joe D. >>
Well, the box version comes with a really nice harcover book that has app. 70
pages in it. I dont know though if these same pages are all in the regular
version or are just in the hardcover. But it has great pictures of the Wall
stage production and has comments from the band memebers and some of the
technical crew. On the negative side, the CDs are not on hubs but slip into
the sides not unlike the way they do in the Pulse package. Hope this helps.
-Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 03:17:22 -0400
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Oy, the ticket prices these days
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000508025439.00ac2df0@cs.millersville.edu>
>Everytime DT tours they come here (in Philly) and luckily I dont have to pay
>$40. BUT, if they charged it then I would certainly pay it. It'd be well
>worth it IMO.
Dream Theater is not even close to being a big 'offender' in the ticket
price department (the most I've ever had to pay to see them was about $30,
with obscene TicketBastard surcharges).
Take a stroll through ticketmaster.com -- look at the non-lawn ticket
prices for your big summer concerts. $85 for the Black Crowes/Jimmy Page,
$88.50 for Sting, $150 (!!!) for the Who. No matter how awesome a band is,
there's no way they can possibly justify charging that much.
In comparison, the other night I saw Amorphis, Moonspell, the Kovenant, and
Single Bullet Theory (3 "international", 1 local, all metal) for a whopping
$14. Amorphis could kick the Black Crowes' collective ass around the block
and back, but they probably only made $3 per ticket sold (if that).
It ain't fair, it's politics. Be glad Dream Theater isn't the media's
baby, or we'd be paying out the nose just like the N'Sync fans (...or, more
likely, their parents...).
Brian (a division of SFX entertainment group)
[NP...V/A -- The Metallic-Era (NWOBHM)]
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:20:03 +1000
From: Niall <niall@ntf.com.au>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Possibly stupid question
Message-ID: <C148873F3F38D311963E00805F89E42A0EEC6C@OCTOPUS>
Wow, my first post since about November... does that make me a lurker?
:)
I remember when I joined the jam around March last year, I saw a note
saying that a rumoured title for the then upcoming new album was Hubris
(or something like it)... I'm just wondering what ever happened to that
rumour, if anyone remembers it... Was I hoaxed real good and didn't
realise it, or was that a genuine rumour?
Niall
PS A big ello to all the Aussie jammers...
NP LTE - Kindred Spirits.mp3
And yes, I did buy the album. I got very shitted off when two of my
friends made mp3 copies of my LTE cds while I was away from them for an
hour... They have no intention of buying the albums. They started me on
DT, and now they won't buy LTE. Grrrrrrrr. Anyway, I'm not getting in on
this Napster thread because I can't keep up with it :P
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:28:13 +0200
From: Daniel Wannemacher <dany@cs.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Pink Floyd - Is there anybody out there ?
Message-ID: <20000508092813.E448@jimi.cs.uni-sb.de>
On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 09:26:12PM -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> Does anybody know what extra goodies are included in the box version of the
> new Floyd live The Wall ("Is There Anybody Out There") CDs?
> There is a regular 2CD version, and a boxed version, which is about $15
> more.
Except packaging there are no differences AFAIK.
You have that big book thing, where the CDs can be inserted on first
and last page and perhaps the print of the pictures and interviews
is bigger than in the standard Ed.
I bought the big version here in Germany and it was only like 3$ more.
-dany
-- Daniel Wannemacher 'And if I don't see you no more in this world, dany@cs.uni-sb.de I'll meet you in the next one, http://on.to/dany But don't be late............' -J.H.------------------------------
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:46:32 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Hagstr=F6m?=" <mikael.hagstrom@bracke.mail.telia.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Cc: <rtd7f0@mizzou.edu> Subject: RE: transatlantic... Message-ID: <000c01bfb8c9$ec1b1b80$6d9d43c3@FOO.telia.com>
"Rob Doyle" <rtd7f0@mizzou.edu> wrote: >Somebody was wondering about the Transatlantic special edition CD, and = I >ordered that sucker a MONTH ago from frontstage.com, and it still = hasn't arrived >yet- it's "backordered" from their supplier, and I'm wondering if I'll = ever get it... > >does anybody know of any other place that I can order this thing at??! >thanks...
There's a site on http://skivhugget.se that let you "special order" = stuff like the Transatlantic special edition. It's not just for Swedes, = they take orders from other coutries as well. I got my copy of the one = mentioned above through them :)
Mikael Hagstr=F6m=20 webmaster on http://come.to/past.to.present=20 http://www.loslobotomys.com & writer on http://lukecds.dk
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:25:56 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: LIT solo Message-ID: <39169634.E274569F@mol.com.mk>
> From: CoolCris26@aol.com > Subject: JP and Live In Tokyo :Best Solo > > After watching LIT, I have concluded imho that the part from TLF > that intros the guitar solo backed up by and awesome drum beat, > great sounds from kevin, and myung doing his thing is the best > guitar and instrumental JP have ever done. Phenomenal
I really think Petrucci played his best solo in his life that night! This is what it's all about - MELODY, emotions. I would kill for a good sound quality of this song. Anyone has a crystal clear sounding LIT? Care to burn an mp3 of TLF for me? :)
I really hate the mindless guitar solo shred on OIALT, I skip it every single time I listen the CD. :( Why did he need that to put on live album?
Thanx to D-man for the Projkects info.
------------ CyberDuke, soon to be in a possesion of Steve Vai video show he witnessed himself. ;) Yo Vik, what's up bro? :)
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:53:54 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Gordian Knot Message-ID: <3916AAD2.2AB0A48E@mol.com.mk>
This is very good stuff. Just now it flashed to me that the bass here sounds a lot like KC Discipline. :) Stick is a stick, but the similarities are suprising anyway.
BTW, ... don't even ask me how I got this idea but ... I'm studying for exam tommorow...
If I have a light bulb in Japan and the switch for turning it on in Spain, how much time will it take from the moment you turn the switch on until the bulb lights on? :)
NP: Gordian Knot - Redemption's Way
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 05:23:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DVD Petition Message-ID: <20000508122356.17DF2BD02@sitemail.everyone.net>
On 5/7/00 Michael Kizer found the following to be true to his beliefs:
>ps, waiting for the first DT release on DVD... hopefully a fully loaded >affair like King Crimson's Deja VROOOM...
-Why don't we start a petition of DT fans who own DVD players so their management can get a feel for the how many they could sell?
-Koggie ..would vote for a DTDVD release.
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: LIT solo Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005080829210.78574-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 8 May 2000, CyberDuke wrote:
> I really think Petrucci played his best solo in his life that night! > This is what it's all about - MELODY, emotions. I would kill for a > good sound quality of this song. Anyone has a crystal clear sounding > LIT? Care to burn an mp3 of TLF for me? :)
I'll see what I can do - I have to rig my VCR up to my stereo and then into the computer (or I suppose I could just go direct into my computer) but it should be pretty easy to record.
Is that a kosher thing to do - record something off of a commercial video?
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:40:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Cable modem and DSL speeds...and SMPT:e Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10005080839050.14588-100000@vineyard.ecosoft.com>
With ADSL no additional lines are installed.
I already posted the differences between them and its like apples and oranges. Personally I prefer DSL after having both in the past year. I like not having a bridged service.
On Sun, 7 May 2000, Matt J Lough wrote:
> > okay, when using DSL, you have to have lines installed into your house, and > from what i've heard from various people, the quality of the connection w/ > the majority of DSL's fall far in comparison to a cable modem. with a cable > modem, no additional lines are used, and only a network card is needed for > hardware (along with the modem of course). Cable speeds in my area > (comcast@home) maxed 128K upload, and about 1.8 meg download. but that also > depends on the amount of users in your local area. more users=more of a > bottleneck on your HUB. i have yet to have a single prob with my cable > modem, and it costs 39.95/mo service and 2/mo hardware rental. cool thing > about comcast though, if you refer a friend, you get a free month. that > works out well in areas with few users, because you can rack up crazy free > months. i haven't paid a month yet in a year and a half. also, to get the > free month the new user isn't required to keep the service, just ask to try > it out, and they only need your email addy. okay, to avoid sounding like a > comcast salesman (AND NO I"M NOT EITHER), i'll stop rambling. btw, SMPT:e > by transatlantic is so great, it reminds me of old genesis from back in the > day in the 70's. such a beautiful disc. l8r. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > ]From: Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 5:09 PM > Subject: Cable modem and DSL speeds... > > > > > > >Biggestquestion: Which new technology is going to win out: Cable > > >modem orDSL? > > > > > >Fromwhat I hear, DSL is the better of the two because you're always on, > > >itdoesn't tie up your phone line and it's better security. Could someone > > >who is "in the know"provide a more informed opinion on the future of > > >everyone's internet connection? Perhaps an evenbetter technology is > > >lurking on the horizon? > > > > > >Also, could someone post the "top speeds" of both types of connections > > >andcompare them to, for > example, a T1 connection. (How fast is a T1 > > >connectionin bps?) I realize you can pay more for faster connections, > > >so let's say less than$50 per month. Which gives you the better bandwith > > >for your buck? > > > > > > > Neither DSL or cable modem ties up your phone line and both > > are always on. The cable modem speeds allegedly go up to 1.5Mbps for > > downloading, but I generally see closer to 300kbps - 700kbps on my > > cable modem. Upload speeds are around 100kbps. You have to take into > > account that there are other network bottlenecks between you and the > > remote server so you seldom get the ideal speed. My cable modem costs > > $40/month. > > With DSL from Bell Atlantic, you can get download speeds of > > 640kbps for around $49/month. Upload speed are 90kbps. If you want > > faster, they offer download speeds of 1.6Mbps and 7.1Mbps for more money. > > Of course, those speeds can also be slowed down by the remote networks > > and servers. > > The main problem with both solutions is that they're still hard > > to get in most areas. Bell Atlantic serves DSL in my area, but I'm over > > 2 miles from the local office so I can't get it. You'll have to call > > about it. > > I think that for now either one is a fine solution. I love > > having the high bandwidth cable modem in my home (my wife and friends > > can all play EverQuest at the same time. Woohoo!). The high bandwidth > > and always on service makes the internet usable. Both DSL and cable > > modem would provide that. If you have a choice, I might recommend the > > DSL since it doesn't share bandwidth with anyone but I haven't had > > much experience with it. > > > > Steve > > > > > >
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Date: 8 May 2000 13:50:17 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <20000508135017.3238.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
I finally love UAGM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I found an AMAZING swing cover at http://go/dtcovers Sounds like Frank Sinatra on vocals; this is the best thing since sliced bread!!!!!! Kicks the I&W version up the street, round the corner and all over town!
~Simon
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:07:31 -0300 From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DVD Petition Message-ID: <000d01bfb8ee$5e995ea0$37351ec8@yunque.net>
---- Original Message ----- ]From: Webmaster Ytsejam.com <webmaster@ytsejam.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:35 AM Subject: DVD Petition
> > On 5/7/00 Michael Kizer found the following to be true to his beliefs: > > >ps, waiting for the first DT release on DVD... hopefully a fully loaded > >affair like King Crimson's Deja VROOOM... > > -Why don't we start a petition of DT fans who own DVD players so their management can get a feel for the how many they could sell? > > -Koggie > ..would vote for a DTDVD release.
I, personally, dont want DT releasing a DVD, until their budget for it lets them do a fully loaded 5.1/DTS one. I'd really hate to see a DT DVD like Fates dvd release: sucky sound quality, OK video, OK performance (its wierd how the audience reaction really adds or detracts from the overall feel, in the fates DVD there were like 100 people paying attention to the band, out of a crowd that seemed like tens of thousands..) No features.. I wouldnt like this from DT.. id rather have a nice sounding/looking/fun DT video release, than a shitty DT DVD
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:35:09 -0700 From: "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: female prog singers Message-ID: <000401bfb8fa$9d255eb0$574b010a@winstar.com>
>and my dream is to have a prog band of my own (but who wants a female prog >singer?) hmmm.... Renaissance, ArsNova, Halloween, Glass Hammer, White Willow, Relayer(?), Magma, Henry Cow, Velvet Hammer....
The Gathering, Mastermind, Finneus Gauge....
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:36:16 -0700 From: "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <862568D9.005B1AD8.00@msc_nt2.matsci.com>
I just wanted to thank you guys AGAIN. You all but forced me to get Pain of Salvation's Entropia this weekend. It took 3 different shops, but I got it. Very cool mix. Vocals are not to bad. Music is just great. I think this will only get better after a few listens. What is the other CD that they have??? Is it as good as Entropia? Although what the heck is with that Nightwish band? I got a MP3 of a song and I almost could not get through the song. That is some crazy shit. :)
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:52:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org> To: YML <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: one of those 'Hey...!' moments... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005081851450.21235-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Hey, Josh Pincus of Ice Age used to be a roadie for DT! (Check your I&W liner notes).
Anymore info on this?
Peter
-- |Peter Geerts ICQ:13122363 (weekend) "...And for an encore, Man | |zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org proved that black is white | |zaphod@dreamtheater.zzn.com and got himself killed on | |Political Science Student the next zebra crossing..."| |Leuven University, Belgium (Douglas Adams) |
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Brett Kull from Echolyn... Message-ID: <m12orjt-000IQ0C@mail.interzone.com>
> >Anyway, about echolyn: Post break-up, they split into two bands. Ray Weston >and Brett Kull (and Paul Ramsay, i think, but am not totally sure of) went >and formed "Still", under which they released an album. They they realized >it wasn't a particularly original name, and so they took the name of the >album, "Always Almost" as their band name, and released "God Pounds His >Nails." Kinda disappointing, much more mainstreamish than echolyn, and it >had me thinking Beatles/Oasis at points. A highlight was the cover of Gentle >Giant's Aspiration (s?).....I'm not really sure what those guys did in the >past two years....I heard something about the Dark Aether Project and Ray >Weston, but I'm not sure if that was a side gig, or soomething else. >
Since the breakup of Echolyn Brett Kull and Paul Ramsay have also been playing in a band called Grey Eye Glances. If you like good female vocals and "softer" music in the vein of Indigo Girls or Tori Amos, then you should check out Grey Eye Glances. They have interesting music (though it isn't heavy by any means) and great melodies, plus the superb female vocals that I mentioned. They're an as yet "unknown" band from Philadelphia which is how they know the guys from Echolyn I imagine. They had two albums put out by Mercury records but were dropped when they didn't generate enough sales. They're now working on a new album and they have a few MP3 samples available for listening or purchase. They're also a good band live, if you're in the Philly area. If you're going to pick up a Grey Eye Glances album, I'd suggest "Eventide" as the starting point. I believe that you can still buy it at amazon.com. You can also visit their website at www.greyeyeglances.com.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:55:23 -0400 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Clockwork & DVD's & 5150 Message-ID: <20000508.135535.-915265.1.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> Oh, and Clockwork is still together. As far as > alternative, I think you're thinking of Altura, but I > never heard their 'alternative' side to see if there > really was one. Clockwork did lose their singer (who > was also a dynamo when it came to mixing things up and > keeping the listener on their toes)
A friend of mine (same guy who I thought invented "Return of the Shredi") was in the preliminary stages of putting together something with Clockwork's drummer. If I recall correctly, he said the drummer got pissed at everyone else cuz they wanted to play Third Eye Blind, or some shit like that.
What pisses me off about DVD's are the people who buy them. Yeah, sure I can afford $300 for a DVD player, but I'm gonna hand you a wad of food stamps that you (meaning me, the cashier) busted your ass to pay for. (of course, this does not apply to all DVD owners, only those on public assistance)
I've got a question regarding the price of an amp I'm looking into buying. 120w Peavey 5150 head w/ new groove tubes, Marshall 4x12 cab w/ Celestion speakers, 2 Ada cabs (2x12 I think), and cables to hook it all up. I realize this description's rather vague, but that's all I've got for details at the moment. I haven't seen the stuff yet, but I've been told by trusted sources that everything's in immaculate condition. How does $500 sound for the whole lot?
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Orwellian activity... Message-ID: <m12oseY-000IQ6C@mail.interzone.com>
>> If Napster falls, then it could snowball from there, where does it stop >> then? When everything on the Net is monitored for "illegal activity"? >> Sounds pretty Orwellian to me! > >Steve Z writes: >Me too. What scares me is that this bothers everyone so much. Sure I >don't want people reading my private email and seeing what particular >brand of porn I have on my hard drive, but if it's people I don't even >know and they're just checking it out to see if I'm planning to bring a >bunch of guns to school and kill everyone because I don't have any >friends, I don't really have a problem with that. > Are you kidding here? You wouldn't have a problem with the government (or other agencies) having the right to poke around on your computer without having to justify their search beforehand? I would. It's also illegal in the US according to our consitution's fourth amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
A country where the government can monitor its people at whim and act on what it finds is heading toward Orwellian abuse.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:49:26 -0700 From: David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Clockwork & DVD's & 5150 Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E6175202A18275@MESSAGING>
> I've got a question regarding the price of an amp I'm looking into > buying. 120w Peavey 5150 head w/ new groove tubes, Marshall 4x12 cab w/ > Celestion speakers, 2 Ada cabs (2x12 I think), and cables to hook it all > up. I realize this description's rather vague, but that's all I've got > for details at the moment. I haven't seen the stuff yet, but I've been > told by trusted sources that everything's in immaculate condition. How > does $500 sound for the whole lot?
If you get all four pieces for $500 total, I'd do it in a heatbeat, then turn around and resell it for twice as much. You could probably get about $500 for the 5150 alone, not to mention the Marshall cab, which could go for $350-$500 depending on condition... :)
With prices that low, I'd make sure you're getting equipment that is in decent working and cosmetic condition.
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. dixon@iisweb.com
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:07:07 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Where Im at right now Message-ID: <20000508.150744.-7271.5.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Kick ass! I got the Stream of Conciousness today in teh mail. Are all Prism discs on CDR's, or is just the later ones because of Bahr's problems? Anyway, this disc is great, I always wondered if the played most of scarred live, and they do. They must have edited it down for time on OIALT. Anyway, thanks Dan :)
In other Kurt news, I went to a record show, only got 4 posters and the enw Pantera for 11.99 new, whcih isn't o bad. Its pretty good, as good as PAntear can be. I did score some killer posters:
-DT-OIALT double promo flat (got an Awake comin from ebay) -Megadeth Rust in Peace (album cover full poster) this is evil looking. I always wanted Vic in my room over a cyrogenically frozen alien -Sevendust "Home" poster ( like em sue me) -Pantera "RTS" promo poster, with Phil drumk off his ass in the picture.
Not what I expected this time, last time I went I spent 90 bucks, this time only like 30. oh well. I also bought THe ultra Zone from Vai, I dig it, hes pretty good.
Kurt NP-Ytsejam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"damn I need a new signature now" me after reading ytsejam 5456
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:37:13 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: "Napster List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: CD-Cassette-DVD Prices Message-ID: <002001bfb935$93784040$76035a8c@noaa.gov.osogroup>
my $.02
The prices of CDs, Cassettes, and DVD reflect what the market will bear. If they sell a lot the price will go up, if they don't sell...check the bargain bin!
The more that music becomes available over the internet the more the need for change will be for the recod industry.
Option 1: Lower the prices and compete. Option 2: Raise the prices to make up for lost revenue. Option 3: For new bands start with Option 1, if they succeed change to Option 2. For more established groups, use Option 2 and then sue everyone you can to make even more money!
More NDTC: I too am afraid that the DVD party will end. The medium has been so successful and is growing so fast, that once the industry decides that the technology has penetrated enough homes (like VHS) the prices will go up and up and maybe even go through the rental pricing cycle before being released in a sell through version yesrs later. When LD became available as rentals the retail prices shot up more than double. It's so stupid. They're so cheap now people don't even bother to make pirate copies for the collections, they just buy the real thing. But the industry WILL get greedy (tehy can never make enouh money NOW), and then they'll be fighting piracy and copiers.
DTC: Dream Theater Rulez!
I-Man
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