YTSEJAM Digest 5481
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Miami????
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
2) Re: SRV & JP
by "Matej Grginic" <izolit@siol.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
4) Re: "Home" and "Forty Six and Two"
by "Anton Berglin" <con_carnage@hotmail.com>
5) Tool / Home / Vai
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
6) Korn @ woodstock
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
10) Re: Korn @ woodstock
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
11) Re: Korn @ woodstock
by "Hector P" <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
12) the result of mp3's
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
13) the latest from The Onion
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
14) Eurovision ramblings
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
15) looking for STEVE VAI stuff to add to my (no dt)
by "Todd Vaiman" <vaiman@bellsouth.net>
16) Re: looking for STEVE VAI stuff to add to my (no dt)
by David Biggs <virtualpc@home.com>
17) Re: 5480, fucked up or what?
by EvoReaper@aol.com
18) Burn 3-15 lbs. of FAT While You Sleep! Guaranteed!
by quickloss7@post.com
19) background on CiA9ITG/CD expansion
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480
by "Eugene Hui" <eugenius@HK.Super.NET>
21) RE: Petrucci and Vaugn
by "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 04:28:47 -0500
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Miami????
Message-ID: <3922664E.B4CF6188@earthlink.net>
]From: "tomas valodka" <tvalodka@dreamtheater.zzn.com>:
> Although the West Palm show venue was supposedly at
> the Pompano Beach Amphitheater. Pompano is near Miami, but I never
> heard of that venue there or in West Palm Beach. West Palm and
> Pompano are like 75 miles apart.
We found that out when we got there. Luckily we got to West Palm at
about 3 PM and had lots of time to kill. The Pompano Beach Amphitheater
is actually a very nice place (actually in Pompano Beach, believe it or
not), very "new" looking, but with a horrible policy of allowing
SRO-type crowding in front of the stage, thereby blocking the view of
those in the first couple of rows of actual seats. General admission and
reserved seating do not mix well without separation of the two factions.
To answer your other question: No, I didn't personally tape the
near-Miami show. It wasn't as good as the HoB show at Disneyworld the
night before, although the Dregs were a bit better, if that's possible
(it was their last night on the tour, and they were pumped, and Steve
Morse looked at me).
I hope that helped you - take care,
Mark Peters
epididymisle@earthlink.net
PS - Did you know that a carton of Marlboros only costs $1.80 before
taxes?
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:55:57 +0200
From: "Matej Grginic" <izolit@siol.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SRV & JP
Message-ID: <001701bfbfe6$20e93180$0600005a@siol.net>
> Definitely attitude. It was that intangible shit inside his heart/soul
> more than any technical wizardry or chops spewage, that drew me most to
> his playing. I saw SRV close out Newport Jazz Festival's last day one
> year (go figure, then again I've seen B.B. King there as well ;) and he
> brought the house down, of course.
Lucky chump! I would prostitute myself heavily to see SRV live :)
Matej
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:06:58 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480
Message-ID: <20000517130658.32901.qmail@hotmail.com>
>very influenced by DT but they rock
what are you trying to say about DT? :)
>DT are one of those bands who have enough of >an "original" sound and
>collective creativity that
>they can "borrow" things like this from other artists >and use them to
>create something entirely different.
i was checking out old Rolling Stone reviews online, and they had a line
about Rush, saying, "Immature bands imitate, mature bands steal," basically
saying that once you get to a certain point, you don't have to pussyfoot
around approximating another band's riffs, you can just go ahead and grab,
and get away with it....i think that sentiment kinda applies here...
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:28:25 GMT
From: "Anton Berglin" <con_carnage@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: "Home" and "Forty Six and Two"
Message-ID: <20000517132825.2960.qmail@hotmail.com>
>On Tue, 16 May 2000 Bm2112dt@aol.com wrote:
>>In regards to the "Home"/"Forty Six and Two" reference. I'm not
>>positive, but I believe the opening riff in "Home" was taken from Met
>>1.
>Andrew Coutermarsh answered:
>Nope. Neither the slow opening section of "Home" nor the fast opening
>riff are taken from Metropolis I. The slow part at the beginning of >it is
>most definitely a Tool reference. If you hear it (thanks Eric P >Metze),
>you will DEFINITELY see what I mean. What's the URL for that >file again?
I noticed after downloading some more Tool songs that in the song "Jimmy"
from the same album, the lyrics go "you are the voice that's been calling me
back hoooooooooomeeeeee.....". I suppose I'm not alone in recognizing this?
:) Could be a coincidence of course...
It's http://members.aol.com/DarthMetze/study.mp3 by the way.
/Anton
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:30:54 -0400
From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Tool / Home / Vai
Message-ID: <20000517.093127.-862359.1.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> Sometimes you pay tribute to your influences in very obvious ways
> ... listen to the last few seconds of DoE,
> and hear the tip-of-the-hat to Rush ("Free Will")
Vai does this on "Jiboom," from Ultra Zone. He says that he's "tipping
his hat" to SRV, but to me it sounds like he's just jazzing up "Scuttle
Buttin'"
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:23:52 -0400
From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Korn @ woodstock
Message-ID: <20000517.093127.-862359.0.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> I will make a comment about woodstock, this may seem shocking.
Listening
> to veryone live, Korn of all people put on the most energetic
perfomance.
> Metallica played the longest, but Korn had some energy.
The Offspring (not that I care for their music) put on kind of an
interesting show, too. They dressed up a bunch of manequins like the
Backstreet Boys, rolled them out on the stage, started playing
"Backstreets' Back" and proceeded to beat the crap out of the manequins.
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:25:43 +1000
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480
Message-ID: <3922ABE7.1864B52F@alphalink.com.au>
> I have a boot from napster (oh no!) called " Caught in
> Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden" which is a live version
> of Caught in a Web obviously recorded before SFAM. In
> the beginning of the tune, I hear the opening riff
> from Home when the whole band kicks in. I haven't
> listened to a lot of tool, so I only recognized it as
> the Home lick. Also on the boot, before James sings,
> Petrucci plays the guitar line from New Millenium. I
> just thought that they incorporated these ideas into
> other songs. If anyone has this version, let me know
> what you think.
When I first heard the opening riff of this I thought they
were going to do a cover of Alice in Chain's Would.
> Well, it's not EXACTLY a drum machine. It's Jordan's keyboard, acting as
> a sequencer. I remember reading about this somewhere... They didn't want
> Mike playing for the reason that it was such a simple beat that they
> wanted something like the keyboard playing it.
Ive noticed quite a few bands doing this lately, putting drum machines
in for the ballads (which inevitably build up to a heavy climax with real drums).
> Nope. Neither the slow opening section of "Home" nor the fast opening
> riff are taken from Metropolis I. The slow part at the beginning of it is
> most definitely a Tool reference. If you hear it (thanks Eric P Metze),
> you will DEFINITELY see what I mean. What's the URL for that file again?
I remember when the disc came out someone posted saying they had asked
Mike about this and he didn't seem to know about it. Does anyone remember?
> Glad to see someone else discovering Tool. As for the similarities between
> FSaT and Home, I wouldn't be surprised if that was done consciously by the
> band, and that doesn't bother me at all. Sometimes you pay tribute to your
> influences in very obvious ways ... listen to the last few seconds of DoE,
> and hear the tip-of-the-hat to Rush ("Free Will"). DT are one of those
> bands who have enough of an "original" sound and collective creativity that
> they can "borrow" things like this from other artists and use them to
> create something entirely different. For the first month or so after I
> bought SFAM, I heard the Tool influence in "Home", but since then, I
> haven't thought anything of it. It's actually become one of my favorite DT
> songs.
Hrmm that opening riff bugs me. Its just too much of a rip off. Its one things
to notice little obscure bits, such as the Rush stuff, but a main riff like that should
be totally original IMHO. That bit and the ultra-Floydish parts of Spriit Carries
On really get to me. I do like the song, and I like all the references in the LTE
stuff like the 'Run with the devil on spanish highway' riff in Acid Rain.
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:03:36 +0200
From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479
Message-ID: <3922B4C8.628BE899@sdts.nu>
Brian Larkin wrote:
> Anyway, speaking of "trained jazz guys", those of you who are impressed
> with JP's chromatic lines should listen to a guy named Jimmy Bruno. He=
's
> the first jazz guitarist I ever REALLY got into (well, Mike Stern, but =
he's
> more fusion-y), possibly because he wanks a lot. ;) But seriously, thi=
s
> guy's technique is unreal ...
I have been searching for this kind of music like this for a while, but w=
ithout
success. This Jimmy Bruno guy sounds great, but I was wondering if someon=
e could
recommend some other jazz guitarists to check out? I want technique, tech=
nique
and more technique. To hell with feeling :o)
-- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:18:38 -0400 From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480 Message-ID: <20000517111838.C29043@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-05-17 at 02:02 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com <ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 05:42:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> > Subject: tool riff > > I have a boot from napster (oh no!) called " Caught in > Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden" which is a live version > of Caught in a Web obviously recorded before SFAM. In
Yeah, they premiered this one on the mini-tour before FII. I didn't even recognize what it was supposed to be before James started singing the chorus. I saw all these other people singing along -- on the first night of the tour in Poughkeepsie -- and I remember thinking, "How has everyone here but me heard this?!" :) I thought it was way cool that that riff found its way into New Millennium.
> the beginning of the tune, I hear the opening riff > from Home when the whole band kicks in. I haven't > listened to a lot of tool, so I only recognized it as
Someone tell me again what Tool song Home reminds everyone of? I think I need to start buying some of their stuff.
On this topic, is it just me, or has DT gradually done a worse and worse job of masking their influences from album to album? I thought that the Floyd and Mallternica influences stood out on FII, but my goodness! It's so overt on SFAM. (Not that this is a bad thing, per se, just far more noticeable to me now.)
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:36:39 +0000 > From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> > Subject: and i guess that's why they call it the blues... / unecessary zoom > > RIP, Stevie Ray.
I second that one. He died during my first week away at college. I remember getting home from class or something, turning on 102.7 WNEW (when they were still good), hearing the news, and just sort of walking around campus in a daze the rest of the day. He was just starting to really tap his potential at that point, too.
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:08:41 -0500 > From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> > Subject: Re: CD expansion > > I would reccommend Dalis Dilemna. Very influenced by DT but they rock. I
I dunno. The playing on this one is phenomenal, but I have had a hard time getting into the songs. They seem rather jumpy to me, with a whole lot of "because we can" sections. I understand that a lot of people are into that thing, but I'd rather hear well-written songs than well-written solos that were forced to fit.
Reminds me of the Altura debate from years back. (What ever happened to them, anyway?)
> just bought Day 4 Night from Spocks Beard, and this is a band I have a > feeling I am gonna get into big time. Put it this way, I listened to the > disc 3 times in a row yesterday. If you like Transatlantic, you will love > this band.
Agreed. Neal Morse just knows how to write a good song, whether it's 5 minutes long or 25 minutes. Spock's has that magical combination of extreme musicianship, wonderful songwriting, analog synths, and the great hook with huge harmonies. One of the best bands to come out in the 90s, if not the best.
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:39:49 EDT > From: EvoReaper@aol.com > Subject: Re:Oops...I did it again. Portnoy Sig Cymbals > > The only stax I could see that would recieve some damage would be > the Low Stax, which is a 10' splash and a 12' Kang. I doubt it would > crack the edge, but the way it's set up, it just may.
With a ten foot cymbal, I'd be more worried about the *drummer* receiving damage than the cymbal!
"I think the major problem tonight, was that we had a monument of Stonehenge, that was in danger of being crushed by dwarfs. It tended to understate the hugeness of the object."
"Perhaps we should change the choreography, so that the dwarves don't trod upon it."
Oh, man, I have to rent that one again. :)
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:09:41 -0400 > From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479 > > I respect your opinion here, but for some reason I always feel the need to > put in a good word for SG. Yes, Mike Baker's vocals often make my skin > crawl and even occasionally cause my stomach to do backflips, but if you > pretend he isn't there, and you ignore the GODAWFUL guitar sound (too tinny > and weak, even on Tyranny), the MUSIC (which I believe is usually what > matters ;) is very well done. And yes, they sound VERY MUCH like DT, but
My problems with SG are just about the opposite of yours. I actually like Baker's voice. But after a while, their songs all started to sound the same to me. With a couple of exceptions (Alaska comes to mind), it seems like they wrote one song and changed the lyrics twenty times. Maybe I'm being overly harsh on them, and maybe I just don't like the production of their stuff (which *does* all sound the same), but I just can't sit and listen to a whole SG album at once. I would really like to hear them branch out and try writing based on more, or at least different, influences. And record with a different producer.
-d "I know what I like when I hear it" man NP: Trey Gunn/One Thousand Years
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:25:31 -0300 From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Korn @ woodstock Message-ID: <000d01bfc00b$c2321aa0$37351ec8@yunque.net>
> > > I will make a comment about woodstock, this may seem shocking. > Listening > > to veryone live, Korn of all people put on the most energetic > perfomance. > > Metallica played the longest, but Korn had some energy.
Yeah..but i couldnt help but notice how much NEGATIVE energy they were pumping the crowd with.. same with Limp Bizkit. Now i know agressive metal usually makes you angry and hyper, but i think that as an artist, you should know when and how to work up your crowd like that. If you've seen the reports on the shit that went down on woodstock, most of the crazy, destructive shit started to happen during and after korns set..and when limp bizkit played break stuff (pure genious huh?)
I know its normal to react to music, but i think that to be onstage while shit is going down and knowingly pump the crowd in that way..is just irresponsible. Just like when fires started breaking out what did the RHCP do? Cover Jimi Hendrix's fire!! I dont know..that kind of thing makes me cringe..
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:43:49 -0700 From: "Hector P" <m99086a@bellsouth.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Korn @ woodstock Message-ID: <01bfc02f$d6d8edc0$d20ad6d1@pavilion>
>I know its normal to react to music, but i think that to be onstage while >shit is going down >and knowingly pump the crowd in that way..is just irresponsible. Just like >when fires started breaking out >what did the RHCP do? Cover Jimi Hendrix's fire!! I dont know..that kind >of thing makes me >cringe..
well "fire" was a part of their set, or they had already planned on playing it at woodstock. they thought about not doing it, but they said what the hell.
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:08:54 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the result of mp3's Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000517130845.00b50c50@pop.ecosoft.com>
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:08:57 -0400 From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com> To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: the latest from The Onion Message-ID: <4.1.20000517140713.00b29d50@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Normally I'm not one to forward jokes and stuff to the 'jam, but this was just too good to pass up. Check it out:
Kid Rock Starves to Death: MP3 Piracy Blamed
http://www.theonion.com/onion3618/kid_rock_starves.html
No, THIS isn't aimed at any particular group *coughcoughcoughMETALLICAcoughcough".
cheers, Phil
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:51:24 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Eurovision ramblings Message-ID: <3922EA2C.47A1EDA7@mol.com.mk>
> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?PETER_LIDSTR=D6M?= <winger@swipnet.se> > To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: Macedonian no-talent > > CyberDuke wrote: > (snip) > "Our 4 lil' girls (Macedonia) song was IMHO much better that > the most of the songs" > > HAHAHAHAHA. > Yeah, right.
The studio verison.
> (snip) > " but the missies were nervous and made some > mistakes during singing live." > > "some mistakes" ... > haha, that's too funny.
Oh gimme a break will ya? Do you know how young they are? I didn't say they did very good, they DID mistakes, at times singing out of key, but ., I heard there were reasons for this. Yesterday there was an interview with the Macedonian organizor, and he was so pissed off to everybody there. He said nothing went ok like it was suppose to, like bad monitors, weird sound settings of the playback song. Some heavy politics involved in all the event.
Again. I don't say we should've won, but the studio version of our song was miles better than many others.
> (I thought Croatia and Turkey rocked hard,
Bah, Croatia, expect the cute dude, the song was not THAT special.
> not to mention our own swedish metal master Roger Pontare :))
He was the bearded Indian-like one all dressed up right? Yeah, he was kinda cool, but the song lacked something little, otherwise it was a decent song. Anyway the song was also better than the rest crap. My conscious would be much calmer if he won and not those brothers.
Just listen the very first few seconds when the brothers singing begins in the song!!! I dunno if it's out of key or what, but I just know something is TERRIBLY WRONG there.
Eurovision has certainly become an event that should be despised and ignored in future. In this situation it should just stop existing.
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:32:35 -0400 From: "Todd Vaiman" <vaiman@bellsouth.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: looking for STEVE VAI stuff to add to my (no dt) Message-ID: <001d01bfc036$a9004f40$80624ed8@vaiman>
Anyone a STEVE VAI fan? Got anything to trade? I'm looking for Steve Vai stuff. Please email me:
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:52:32 -0500 From: David Biggs <virtualpc@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: looking for STEVE VAI stuff to add to my (no dt) Message-ID: <B54870C0.ADB%virtualpc@home.com>
on 5/17/00 3:01 PM, Todd Vaiman at vaiman@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > Anyone a STEVE VAI fan? Got anything to trade? I'm looking for > Steve Vai stuff. Please email me: > > vaiman@bellsouth.net > > > >
to those and all others looking for progressive music, i've certainly got a good source. assuming you don't abuse the privilege, that is. ;)
everyone go get hotline at www.bigredh.com
and connect to 24.5.235.8
this is a progressive rock/metal server with a library of about 8 GB's and growing.. among the collection is allan holdsworth, joe satriani, steve vai, dream theater, and spock's beard. absolutely free.
ciao, Bob.
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:17:47 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: 5480, fucked up or what? Message-ID: <6d.3f1d466.265490ab@aol.com>
Am I the only one that got a massively scrambled mail? That was so bad I didn't bother reading/sorting it all!
Andy
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:17:16 -0700 From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: background on CiA9ITG/CD expansion Message-ID: <B548AECC.18A%schansen@cts.com>
Rob Denni wrote: > I have a boot from napster (oh no!) called " Caught in > Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden" which is a live version > of Caught in a Web obviously recorded before SFAM. <snip> > Also on the boot, before James sings, > Petrucci plays the guitar line from New Millenium. I > just thought that they incorporated these ideas into > other songs. If anyone has this version, let me know > what you think.
Rob - dunno if you know the background of CiA9ITG, but it was performed during the Fix for 96 shows, the 97 European tour and I believe the South American shos in Sept 97. Derek had been tinkering around with some sounds and one of the guys recommended using it as a ne intro for CiaW. Long story short, they ened up redoing the whole song that way. Later on, as they continued to write material for what would become FII, they took several pieces of CiA9ITG and created NM from it.
Funny enough DT has been playing parts of CiA9ITG, intermingled with NM at the end of a medley they started playing in Europe on the M2000 tour (sometimes referred to as the Faliing Awake Into Liquid Seasons medley).
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Brian Hansen (great last name!!) recommended: > Pain of Salvation - Entropia (Enough said.)
Vocally on Entropia, there are parts of Daniel's vocals that remind me of Mike Patton (FNM) in a major way, but most of it is different. He does sound similar to some other vocalists as well, but i can't put my finger on them. They have quickly made it into my top 5 of favorite bands, after only having their CDs for a week. Fellow jammers were just talking about and recommending them a little while ago, which is why I picked their CDs up (thanx to all for putting me onto such an awesome band), so now I in turn agree - PoS is a must have in your CD collection!
> Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy > (Neo-classical prog metal. Great vocals, great > composition, shredding guitar.)
An easy way to describe Sy X is Dio w/ a less repetative, heavier Yngwie Malmsteen. Russell Allen's vocals are similar to Dio's, but do have some differences. If you enjoy Dio's vocals, you'll like Sy X.
Setlist Scotty
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:53:03 +0800 From: "Eugene Hui" <eugenius@HK.Super.NET> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480 Message-ID: <01a501bfc07c$92a7a040$c00340ca@eugenius>
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:01:07 +0100 > From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: Re: DT in Tokyo/Shibuya (15-5-2000) > Message-ID: <39212A73.22F12AEA@picsel.com>
> I bet Mike didn't say "Fuckin' A, Manchester!" or "Fuckin' A, London!" in > Japan. :-P
Ooh! My first post after about 6 years of lurking...
On the night I saw them in Tokyo (5/16), Mike did say at the end of the show, "ARI-FUCKING-GATO!"
That night there they also had a bit of a pseudo-Nightmare Cinema thing going. While JP was finishing off with the solo bit at the end of Take the Time, James took over on drums, and Mike grabbed JM's bass. JM just stood there, while Jordan stood by his keyboard.
By the way, the setlist went something like this (I may have the order mixed up):
M2 in its entirety Puppies on Acid Crimson Sunrise New Millenium intertwined with Caught in Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden Erotomania Something from LTE 1 (forgot which) Something from LTE 2 (forgot which) Pull Me Under medley ending with TTT
Think that's about it. Overall, an incredible show. Quite an experience going to a concert in Japan. No moshing, lots of clap-alongs.
-Eugene
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:14:08 -0500 From: "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Petrucci and Vaugn Message-ID: <008501bfc088$129c9480$340a64c0@compaq.net.mx>
BUT, if you hear most of the modern guitar players (yngwie, vai, howe (greg), becker.) play the blues, it sounds like an attempt to play the blues. It=B4s some kind of metalized blues. SRV introduced a far more agressive way to play the blues, but it still sounded kind of pure, start= ing with the tone and all that. These shredders or whatever just take the sca= le and the flatted fifth (i=B4m not sure =B4bout this one though....) or wha= tever, and "play the blues" strutting out boring clich=E9s. And sounding like a = metal guy trying very hard to play the blues, but hardly succeeding. Petrucci i= s in this group i think. I find this kind of playing extremely boring. I do= n=B4t like blues that much either, but i have heard enough of it to recognize r= eal blues or wannabe blues. Petrucci a trained jazz guy? I mean, i know berklee is a recognized jazz school that also has other departments, but i can=B4t envision JP swingin= =B4 through werid chord changes. Maybe that=B4s what he and jordan will play on that NY concert. Mauricio
> Bah. Petrucci is actually a trained jazz guy, and you can hear it in hi= s > playing. I'm sure Petrucci knows and loves the Blues, and I know he cou= ld > play it iof he wanted. It's not that hard to play the blues, and 99.9% = of > the soloing is done out of teh Blues scale, which I've heard him use a > plethora of times. Just because he doesn't play it doesn't mean he can'= t > appreciate it or know it. > > >
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