YTSEJAM Digest 5483
Today's Topics:
1) i missed this detail
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
2) Prog CDs for sale (NDTC)
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
3) Hello......
by "Ricardo Testa" <ricardotesta@hotmail.com>
4) RE: Dali's Dilemma
by mildew@ucla.edu
5) Negative Energy
by pieter.serruys@sidmar.be
6) Netscape's huge mail folders - a solution (NDTC)
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
7) Dream Theater request
by Revmcg@aol.com
8) woodstock violence
by "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
9) Re: negative energy
by "Anton Berglin" <con_carnage@hotmail.com>
10) Re: Prog CDs for sale (NDTC)
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
11) MP3 boots
by "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
12) Okay Magna Carta bashers...Under the Sun
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
13) SRV, Dali, Who, CGT, Transatlantic
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
14) Re: Transatlantic
by Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5482
by EvoReaper@aol.com
16) Re: Devin news, Dali's Metropolis.
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
17) Re: Orlando show
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
18) Re: A PLEA to CD traders....
by "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." <jeremysw@umd5.umd.edu>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:53:08 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: i missed this detail
Message-ID: <20000519035308.15234.qmail@hotmail.com>
regarding Iron Maiden's Brave New World, as lifted from wallofsound.com:
"produced by Kevin Shirley (Aerosmith, the Black Crowes)"
methinks they forgot a band in that list :)
partha
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:56:52 -0400
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Prog CDs for sale (NDTC)
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000518234521.00a7b760@cs.millersville.edu>
I've got a bunch of prog discs for sale -- prices include domestic (US)
shipping. All are in excellent condition.
Asia -- Astra ($5)
Cairo -- Cairo ($6)
Cairo -- Conflict and Dreams ($6)
echolyn -- As The World ($6)
Shadow Gallery -- Carved In Stone ($6)
V/A -- Progfest '97 (2D live compilation featuring Spock's Beard, Flower
Kings, John Wetton, Arena, more) ($11)
Please E-mail me ASAP at wbhender@cs.millersville.edu if you're interested.
Brian
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:14:12 CEST
From: "Ricardo Testa" <ricardotesta@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Hello......
Message-ID: <20000519041412.88480.qmail@hotmail.com>
This is my 1st post. I am new to this list, and just wanted to say hi to
everyone. I am a Dream Theater fan from Italia, any others out there?
Ciao,
Ricardo
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:58:18 -0800
From: mildew@ucla.edu
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Dali's Dilemma
Message-ID: <200005190458.VAA18504@panther.noc.ucla.edu>
Actually I've only heard the first track off the album and although I didn't like it much the first time, I always have the chorus stuck in my head.
~~Amanda
very happy with the Friends and Frasier season finales :)
---Original Message----
Despite listening to Manifesto For Futurism dozens of times within a week
of purchasing it, I am still unable to remember a single lyric, recognise
a single riff, or hum a single melody. There's plenty of notes, but no
*tunes*.
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:04:39 +0100
From: pieter.serruys@sidmar.be
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Negative Energy
Message-ID: <412568E4.002C5FAC.00@nsgate1>
>>These are two totally different things, and music DOES have an impact on your
mood,
>>you cant deny that. I agree that music is
>>hardly ever a factor when a kid kills himself, usually when they search deeper
they
>>find lots of other problems that led to it, but in a huge, tired, angry crowd,
you
>>can bet angry music with destructive lyrics IS going to influence the crowd...
do
>>you think that if instead of korn and limp bizkit, jewel was the one playing
at
>>those moments all that shit wouldve broken lose at that time? i really doubt
it.
i agree that the comparison with the priest lawsuit is kinda far-fetched but
i'm still not convinced that it's ONLY the music that would cause things like
that.
i think that in a live setting it's more the image the band projects that
influences
large crowds. I agree that the music a band plays partly sets the image of that
band,
but there's more to it. i think that if you'd get DT to play a limp bizkit song
to the
same crowd the reaction would be totally different.
Pieter
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:21:20 -0500
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Netscape's huge mail folders - a solution (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3924F980.F6AF06D1@earthlink.net>
I forget who posted about this originally, but I found a way to keep
your folders manageable. I apologize if this has been posted already,
but my excuse is that I didn't see it (and I think I'm caught up on
jams).
Anyway, select "Edit" and "preferences" at the bottom of the list that
appears. A new window will pop up. From there, double click on
"Advanced" along the left side of the window and three more options will
appear. Click on "disk space" and then make sure that the box next to
"Automatically compact folders when it will save over" is checked. It
apparently is not checked by default, which seems strange to me.
Hope that helped,
Mark Peters
epididymisle@earthlink.net
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:25:01 EDT
From: Revmcg@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Dream Theater request
Message-ID: <26.5dd59e0.2656545d@aol.com>
Hi
I am a member of the Dream Theater International fan club,and have been given
your email address as somewhere that you can post a request for me on a
mailing list of Dream Theater fans. I hope that is correct.
I am after a copy of each of Dream Theater's Free Fanclub Christmas CD's from
1996 and 1998. The fan club have run out of stocks, and suggested i took this
route to obtain them ...
They could either be an unwanted copy, or a CDR copy ... I don't mind
I would be so grateful if you could locate them for me, or put out the
request - people can contact me on my email address if they can help.
I hope this is not putting you to any unnecessary trouble, and thank you very
much in anticipation.
Yours sincerely,
Martin Green (UK)
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:42:37 +0200
From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: woodstock violence
Message-ID: <200005190942.LAA23773@altair.ceu.hu>
About this woodstock stuff. I heard that the crowd was pretty
frustrated because of the high prices of drinks and everything. Plus
that they didn't let you take bottles of water in so you would have to
consume their corporate very expensive drinks.
Hey, after all, Metallica played. :-)
Anyway, how much is true of what I wrote?
Well, even before you answer, it is pretty obvious that not
everybody could have had the same motive. But I could imagine
that it was "in the air".
And by the way, if they really did it for the above reasons, thats
kinda cool. Well, as long as noone gets hurt. It is cool because
today there is no Vietnam (wel, thats not true either), but there is
something else that is worth raising a voice about.
Anyway, now react please. :-)
Tibor
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:09:22 GMT
From: "Anton Berglin" <con_carnage@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: negative energy
Message-ID: <20000519100922.20090.qmail@hotmail.com>
mikel wrote:
>i wouldn't lump RHCP in with Korn and them. Fire was on the setlist
> >already. Generally they tend to be a pretty positive band even if they
> >are a bit blunt about what they want to do to Catholic school girls.
I thought that was Frank Zappa? What song by RHCP is about catholic girls?
I noticed that Zappa is great the other day btw :)
/Anton
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:29:34 -0400
From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Prog CDs for sale (NDTC)
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000519072923.00b2a230@pop.ecosoft.com>
isn't that Shadow Gallery CD a lil overpriced? ;)
At 09:08 PM 5/18/00 -0700, WB Henderson wrote:
>I've got a bunch of prog discs for sale -- prices include domestic (US)
>shipping. All are in excellent condition.
>
>Asia -- Astra ($5)
>Cairo -- Cairo ($6)
>Cairo -- Conflict and Dreams ($6)
>echolyn -- As The World ($6)
>Shadow Gallery -- Carved In Stone ($6)
>V/A -- Progfest '97 (2D live compilation featuring Spock's Beard, Flower
>Kings, John Wetton, Arena, more) ($11)
>
>Please E-mail me ASAP at wbhender@cs.millersville.edu if you're interested.
>
>Brian
>
>==================================
>WB Henderson [wbhender@cs.millersville.edu]
>WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com
>Automaton Hit Parade (progrock radio):
> http://www.millersville.edu/~wixq/Automaton
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:18:06 -0500
From: "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MP3 boots
Message-ID: <CF2C9F6501B6D211862500805F15297F03EB3C10@ustcax09.kcc.com>
Chris said:
> 1. Anyone wanna trade? Check my site. I do have boots from MP3 sources
> so if you have a problem with that keep away. I like them, it is a easy,
> fast and cheap way to collect boots.
Yes, they are a cheap and easy way of collecting boots. Of course, the
sound quality suffers, there are pops between tracks, and occasionally the
person downloading the MP3s doesn't get them all or gets them in the wrong
order (ie, one of the shows I got yesterday with the first song missing and
two other songs out of order). But hey, if it's cheap and easy, who cares
about the overall quality, right?
Just make sure label those shows as MP3. Otherwise you're ripping off
legitimate traders looking for the real thing... (But at least you're not
selling them.) :-)
Adam
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Okay Magna Carta bashers...Under the Sun
Message-ID: <20000519133410.26350.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>
Has anyone mentioned Under the Sun here yet? Mosey on
over to http://www.magnacarta.net and give them a
listen. And, hey, MC FINALLY pulled their collective
heads from you-know-where and are now including clips
from all the songs on an album, instead of a measly
one little 30 second clip.
Anyway, on the Spock's Beard mailing list, someone
called them a rather unoriginal Yes ripoff. This
comment was made by someone who is obviously
tone-deaf. Think more prog rock than prog metal -
like a slightly more serious version of Spock's Beard.
It's not hard to tell that these guys have MONSTER
talent and are NOT overplaying...
Mike
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:02:21 -0400
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SRV, Dali, Who, CGT, Transatlantic
Message-ID: <20000519110221.A24850@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-05-18 at 20:55 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com
<ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:47:03 +1000
> From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5481
>
> yer thats true but SRV was never the most original of players in the
> first place.
Geh! You really think so? SRV was a groundbreaker! Who else would
have been able to make blues solos fit into a David Bowie tune? Not
to mention the set up of his guitar. You ever play one of those SRV
models? .12's, about a foot off the neck. You could shoot arrows
with this thing, and he made it sing.
---> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:18:00 +0100 > From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> > Subject: Re: D-Man's Dilemma (Dali Variety) > > Despite listening to Manifesto For Futurism dozens of times within a week > of purchasing it, I am still unable to remember a single lyric, recognise > a single riff, or hum a single melody. There's plenty of notes, but no > *tunes*.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Of course DT have their wank-fest sections, but they fit into the songs, rather than the songs fitting around the wank-fest sections.
Again, there's definitely some value to Dali's music, because I know some people absolutely love it. Maybe I'm just getting older, but I've gotten to a stage where I appreciate songs more than soloing, or whatever.
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> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:38:27 +0200 > From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> > Subject: The Who > > I just watched on old video tape of the TOMMY movie. > Damn, this is great movie, and the music is incredibly fitting the > story. > Now THIS is a prototype concept album.
Actually, it was written as an opera. (And perhaps the only one with a happy ending. :) The whole thing was conceived as a whole -- the music, the lyrics, the story, the characters. That's why everything seems to fit.
> I wanted to ask, if some jammer happened to be a Who fan, I would like > to exchange some thoughts about the movie.
Feel free. (Here or private e-mail.)
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> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:22:21 -0700 > From: "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com> > Subject: cd prices/new cds > > California Guitar Trio-Rocks the West-Live > Just three acoustics (and Tony Levin on bass) covering stuff > from Mozart to Bohemian Rhapsody. And then some weird jazz > stuff with a guest sax man. Interesting.
Breathtaking, if you ask me. The CGT is one of the most original bands I've discovered recently. I strongly recommend any of their stuff to anyone who wants some idea of what else can be done with a guitar.
On that subject, anyone know where I can get my hands on one of those fan-fret guitars?
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> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:31:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com> > Subject: Transatlantic Tour Dates > > June 21 Theater of the Living Arts Philadelphia, PA > (special guest Echolyn)
Dammit! Why does this have to be on a Wednesday? Any word yet if echolyn is doing any other dates with them?
> June 23 Wetlands New York, NY
OK, NYC crew. Who's going?
-d NP: Discipline/Unfolded Like Staircase
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Transatlantic Message-ID: <20000519153408.20447.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com>
Hello everyone,
--- Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> wrote: > > June 23 Wetlands > New York, NY > > OK, NYC crew. Who's going?
While not officially part of the NYC crew, I will definitely be there, even after seeing them at Nearfest. But I am concerned with the venue. Wetlands is small, hot and smokey. Considering that DT sold out Roseland and Marillion sold out Irving Plaza on their last tour, I think Wetlands will pack us in like sardines. I wish they could have gotten a bigger venue, like Irving Plaza or the Bowery Ballroom (where LTE played).
Take care, Adam Perkowsky NP: Glass Hammer "Chronometree"
> NP: Discipline/Unfolded Like Staircase
A prog classic! One of my favorite CDs of all time.
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:36:42 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5482 Message-ID: <cb.5c5f8c3.2656b98a@aol.com>
<< The thing I have a problem with is that I think progressive bands like DT and Steve Vai should really be as original and creative as they can. >>
Steve is obviously one of the most creative musicians in the world. Pick any song off of Flex-Able or Flex-Able Leftovers and you'll see that in .2 seconds. Every one of Steve's records is just another stroke of genius and creativity...who else would record a cat having an orgasm?
Frank Zappa hired him for Christ's sakes, you don't even have to listen to Steve's music to know he's a creative as hell SOB after knowing that! hahaha..
Jiboom does have a lot of SRV inspired pieces, but there are also millions of Vai-Isms in the song. If we didn't take inspiration from anyone...we'd all sound pretty damn boring. Have you ever heard a musician say, "Nothing inspires me, as a matter of fact, I hate all music, even my own music pisses me off...." I don't think we'd even have anything in life if it weren't for inspiration.. We're all inspired to do something by something else...
nique > and more technique. To hell with feeling :o)>
I said the same thing about 3 years ago...then I (again more Vai promotion) HEAVILY got into Vai and realized that it IS possible to mix the best of both worlds. Petrucci is a perfect example as well.
BUT-if you want some very technique oriented players: Buckethead Marty Friedman Steve Howe Joe Satriani Eric Johnson Alex Lifeson Mike Keneally Steve Stevens Micheal Angelo (Mostly known for the double neck playing...2 necks at the same time, one strung left handed..legato madness)
There a MILLIONS out there...
Warm Regards, Andy
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:07:53 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Devin news, Dali's Metropolis. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000519140753.00858140@mail.ptd.net>
>There was also a phone call between Devin and Fredrik Thorendal of Meshuggah who have both expressed interest in a possible collaboration and hope to >pursue that possibility when their schedules allow.
Oh my God. I can't even begin to imagine ... Destroy Erase Improve and City are two of my favorite REALLY HEAVY albums right now. For those two guys to collaborate ... <licks chops> ... <drools> ...
>From: "Philip J. Kaplan" <pk@pkinteractive.com> >There's a part in the Dali's Dilemma disc where they play, note-for-note, a >good chunk of Metropolis I. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
I would guess you're referring to the instrumental section of "Living in Fear," but I wouldn't say it's note-for-note. It does sound a LOT like the little "build-up" section of Met. I, but the notes and time sigs are different.
I think Dali's is a good band. I'm a little partial to the vocals, and it's true that some (I would say half) of the instrumental interludes aren't very memorable or seem to not fit, but I generally like the album. My favorites are "Despite the Waves", "This Time Around" and "Hills of Memory". These songs actually have good melodies, IMHO, and I find myself singing along from time to time. Hopefully the next time around, they'll develop a bit more of their own sound, and trim a bit of the excess (yes, I am a DT fan and did indeed just type that).
~Brian NP: Steve Vai - Alien Love Secrets
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:50:48 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Orlando show Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000519164929.00b466b0@pop.mindspring.com>
Andrew said: >I don't know who else is trading this show, but as far as I know only >Bogie and I have original copies of this recording. I haven't sent any of >them out yet and I haven't seen anybody trading with Bogie on the 'jam >(although I'm sure there are some people that have done it). If you are >trading for the HOB show, MAKE SURE that you double-check that it was an >original source and NOT an MP3 source.
Well, I've got it. And I've traded it with at least 5 or 6 other people. Plus, I know two other people that grabbed it off the net via fast connect. So it's definitely out there. But yes, make sure to check the source if you're trading for this show.
Adam
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." <jeremysw@umd5.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: A PLEA to CD traders.... Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005191733100.6155-100000@holmes.umd.edu>
> > Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:14:51 -0400 > From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: A PLEA to CD traders... > Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000518170606.00b436d0@pop.mindspring.com> > > > Hey folks... > > Got yet another couple of trades in today with CDs obviously from an MP3 > source.
[...]
Definitely not cool.
BTW, what is the status of the CD Tree that was made for the Roseland Ballroom show? I had signed up a month ago but haven't heard anything since.
--Jeremy
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:40:18 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5480 Message-ID: <20000520014018.6538.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Bm2112dt@aol.com >Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479 >In regards to the "Home"/"Forty Six and Two" reference. I'm not positive, >but I believe the opening riff in "Home" was taken from Met 1.
I still say it's "Freedom of Speech"'s key riff 4 minutes or so in, from LTE1
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