YTSEJAM Digest 5662
Today's Topics:
1) Re: ProgPowerUSA
by "Janne Jokitalo" <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
2) thanx paul
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
3) Re: thanx paul
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5661
by Andrew <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
5) bootlegger
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
6) Re: boots
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
7) Re: bootlegger
by "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@snet.net>
8) CDs for sale
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 02:13:57 +0200
From: "Janne Jokitalo" <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: ProgPowerUSA
Message-ID: <002f01c046bd$4b3965f0$af1e1e0a@boss.fi>
> are just plain boring in my opinion. The six bands that you mentioned, as
> far as I'm concerned, are all total stiffs. There's some cool guys in some
> of those bands, but musically...well, if you find emotion in it, or you
> just enjoy the technicality of it, more power to ya, but if you're trying
Talk about jerks....
You find NO emotion in Pain of Salvation's music ?!?! Ex-fucking-cuse me ?!
]From that sentence, and that sentence only, I can say that DUDE, do as you
stated, plus shove even your ears in there! I bet you haven't listened to
them, I just can't imagine howelse you could say that.
Let me suggest something, rollback (uh-huh, I said rollback...) the
abovementioned. Listen to One Hour by the Concrete Lake two times. If you
don't find ANY emotion in it, go listen to another time, once more. If you
STILL don't find any, flip DT in the changer, and then listen to OHbtCL once
again. Cry.
(no, not because it'd suck or anything, but because you then realize how
wrong you were, and how moved you are by then ;)
Won't say anything about the other bands mentioned there ;p (although I'm
sure there's someone to tell me the same thing that I did about PoS...)
- Rock
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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:58:00 -0800 (PST)
From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: thanx paul
Message-ID: <20001105005800.1115.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com>
Thanks Paul for putting my point better than I did.
The reason I feel that way is because I see a trend
from the record industry. In the 70's and 80's, home
taping was going to be the end of the music industry.
In the early 90's, there was an uproar over selling
used cd's. Now its napster. To quote Bono, "crap
music is what is killing the music industry". I am
all for artists being compinsated but is the music
industry really in jeopardy because of napster? And
like most of you here who do download stuff, I did
mostly boots or stuff that is rare that I can't get
here. And again, the law makers and the sue happy
aren't going to win, because there are plenty of
places to get free samples (unless you make the
internet illegal).
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(706) 790-8937
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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:52:03 +1100
From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: thanx paul
Message-ID: <001801c046ca$ffd410c0$b13836cb@dreamryche>
I agree Rob...
Another point also is that by sampling an artist's music on mp3, I AM NOT
taking money from their pockets as some might think. If anything, the
potential is there for me to be putting money INTO their pockets if I like
what I hear. Without sampling what they play I'm unlikely these days to buy
their product whereas if I like what I hear from a sample, whether it's a
low quality reproduction or not, I WILL buy it. So it's really revenue that
they would otherwise not have had. At the end of the day though, unless you
are a band like Metallica or Korn who write music that IS going to sell
millions of cd's, the only people who ARE actually likely to make money from
music are the record companies who bleed the artists dry AND the retailers!!
The people who ARE being ripped off in this whole deal is the ARTIST and the
CONSUMER!
After all... this is a capitalist society that we live in is it not??
Paul
dreamryche@bigpond.com
ICQ- 54681951
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----- Original Message -----
]From: "rob denni" <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
> Thanks Paul for putting my point better than I did.
> The reason I feel that way is because I see a trend
> from the record industry. In the 70's and 80's, home
> taping was going to be the end of the music industry.
> In the early 90's, there was an uproar over selling
> used cd's. Now its napster. To quote Bono, "crap
> music is what is killing the music industry". I am
> all for artists being compinsated but is the music
> industry really in jeopardy because of napster?
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Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:58:28 +1100
From: Andrew <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5661
Message-ID: <3A04CCD3.9BAC578E@alphalink.com.au>
> When people refer to mp3's as "CD quality" it really makes me wonder what
> type of inferior equipment they normally listen to regular CD's on to not be
> able to hear the difference between an mp3 and the real thing! Also,
> anything that I have taped from my cd collection to play in my car stereo is
> hardly what I would consider to be "low quality". Even though they are
> recorded on a cassette they are better quality than a highly compressed mp3
> file, but that's another argument altogether and is not the point here.
I would say you're average listener even on your average equipment would struggle
to tell
the difference between a 128+ mp3 and a CD. I know most of my friends who
have large amounts of mp3 keep them all at 96-128 and claim that they can't tell
the
difference. I know I could probably tell you if it was 128kbs, but i would
struggle
once you got to 192+, and my ears are fairly well trained. Those people who can
afford
massive CD collections (I'm talking over about 100 CDs here) and good quality
equipment,
are a very small minority and its useless trying to factor them in to the
argument.
I think though most people would be able to tell a taped CD, especially once the
tape is a
bit worn, and also considering that most people's tape players are of lesser
quality than their
CD players.
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Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 00:19:07 -0500
From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: bootlegger
Message-ID: <3A04EDCB.4C1B6245@seacoast.com>
James Arin Colberg wrote:
>Ummm, no I only copied the Mike Bahr stuff that the band (MP mainly)
>allowed. Those, by the way, are the only boots I own. Actually the
band did
>say to stop coping them and I did. I never made a penny and I still
have
>all the recipts to prove it. I saved all that stuff for my own peice
of
>mind. :^) I was a DJ for years and saw how bands got screwed no
matter
>which way they turned which is why I got out of the industry after
going to
>school for 5 years.
how do you charge $25 for a cd and not make $$ maybe compensating
yourself $20 for slapping the disc in the cdrw.
don't forget the shitty quality Queensryche videos you were peddling.
I'm glad you're now a reformed boot scalper
Bob
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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 01:35:32 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: boots
Message-ID: <20001105.013547.-23951.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
So the band as a whole doesn't like em?
I heard Jammes, Mike and Jordan think they are ok as long as they are not
sold. I have tons of DT on the way in the mail as well. There are
instances where the trading does piss the band off. (IE the boot of the
JP/JR show, which Jordan asked not to be traded and for the most part
trading has ceased)
I look at boots this way:
I have given plenty of my 6.65 an hour to DT:
15 IAW
15 Awake
15 WDADU
25 LATM
15 FII
15 ACOS
25 OIALT
15 SFAM
50 Lie single (not to them but proving a point)
15 Silent man
35 Hollow years
20 THE single
20 LIT
20 5YIALT
25 IAW shirt
25 SFAM shirt
25 sfam shirt
15 program
75 (25x3)=concerts
25 DTIFC membership
Awake flag
(not counting side projects add about another benjamin)
Also not counting the money I spent on a trip to go catch an extra show
(which rocked)
time to pull out handy dandy notebook-
Ok Ive sepnt about 500 bucks on DT over the past 2 and a half years.
That's a lot of dough. Granted I know East west, got a good chunk as did
the cost of manufacturing shirts etc. I mean I go out of my way to own
every single official thing I can get my hands on. I don't think bands
realize this. I bought all of this stuff, but still wanted more, so I
got into boot collecting. Its a great way to over extend my DT
collection. I really still cannot see why the band doesn't encourage
boot collecting, I know Mike sure as hell likes it. Mike if you still
read these could you make a comment on this? I know I like to go back and
watch 10-4-92 on video or whatever cause i wasn't there, hell I was 12
years old and missed out. Its a way to capture the moment if you will.
And there are so many great moments :) (see my signature)
Kurt
ytsekurt on AOL instant messenger
Trade page-www.geocities.com/Kurt_labrie/Startpage.html
"Shut the f*ck up. Don't make me come down there and kick your f*cking
ass"
-James Labrie 4/16/97
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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:52:39 -0500
From: "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@snet.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Cc: <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
Subject: Re: bootlegger
Message-ID: <007901c0470e$25db09c0$2b23fc40@jamesarin>
----- Original Message -----
]From: "Robert Rivers" <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
> James Arin Colberg wrote:
> >Ummm, no I only copied the Mike Bahr stuff that the band (MP mainly)
> >allowed. Those, by the way, are the only boots I own. Actually the band
did
> >say to stop coping them and I did. I never made a penny and I still have
> >all the receipts to prove it. I saved all that stuff for my own piece of
> >mind. :^) I was a DJ for years and saw how bands got screwed no matter
> >which way they turned which is why I got out of the industry after going
to
> >school for 5 years.
>
> how do you charge $25 for a cd and not make $$ maybe compensating
> yourself $20 for slapping the disc in the cdrw.
First of all cdrw drives didn't even exist back then. If I were doing it
now you are correct, charging anything over $5 would be unacceptable. I was
doing that in 95 - 96, CDr's were like $12 - $15 each because I was buying
them from CompUSA as I made the copies. Mailers were about $1 each shipping
was between $1 - $3. I was using a single speed CDr drive with a 1 meg
buffer that made 2 frisbees for every 5 discs I burned. I paid $1260.00
for that burner which I only used for making those discs and it crapped out
for the last time (out of warranty and I wasn't about to pay them to fix it)
a couple of months after I stopped making the CDs. I made each of the
covers by hand including closing the staples by hand because the stapler
wouldn't reach the middle of the booklet. I paid $530 for the scanner I
used to make those (it's sitting in the basement and I haven't used it much
since then) as well as numerous inkjet cartridges that I went through like
water printing in presentation mode. Not to mention the ridicules amount
of time I spent making toll calls to HP (no 800 number back then) when the
cdr would stop working and the shipping charges to an from HP all three
times that the damn drive had to be replaced. I made a little over 200 CDs
in total. How much money do you think I made? Besides the fact that my 2
real jobs paid me about 65k a year. If you think I did it to make money
you're way off base. Was I stupid for doing it? Yes, but you know what? I
think I made at least a few people happy.
> don't forget the shitty quality Queensryche videos you were peddling.
Queensryche videos? You have the wrong guy. The only Queensryche videos I
own were released by the band and can be purchased in any music store.
Besides the fact that I still only own 1 VCR (DVD and LD are much better).
> I'm glad you're now a reformed boot scalper
>
> Bob
Send me some stamps and a mailer with a return address and I will photo copy
all of my receipts if you really want to know.
Have a nice day.
Jim
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Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 19:32:42 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: CDs for sale
Message-ID: <3A05A7CA.35C4C694@mol.com.mk>
Anyone interested in buying CD of Jethro Tull - Living in the past,
brand new?
It's a duplicate so I don't need it.
Actually I'm willing to trade it, you buy me 1 CD I give you this one.
Also selling/trading some oficial DT CDs which again happen to be some
kind of duplicates. Again brand new, not opened.
I don't think anyone here miss some of the studio albums but if there's
such a case ...
E-mail me privately if anyone interested.
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