YTSEJAM Digest 5663
Today's Topics:
1) Re: ProgPowerUSA
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
2) napstah vs songwriters
by Adrian Tunggono <pluki7@indosat.net.id>
3) Re: Pain of Salvation
by Phil Carter <artoo@bellsouth.net>
4) Empire
by "Mariano Gil" <e301472@correo.unnet.es>
5) Home Workers Needed! _____________________________________
by rkhyx@21cn.com
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5662
by StolnTrst@aol.com
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5662
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
8) emotion, opinion, onions make me cry
by MusicSnob@aol.com
9) Some suggestions on these CDs please...
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5662
by Wringwraith <andy@dust.de>
11) YOU ALL NEED TO READ THIS
by Orion82@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:06:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: ProgPowerUSA
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0011051604590.22988-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Okay people, let's get this straight, especially you, ya snob asshole. I
never said they don't have any emotion. I specifically said IN MY OWN
FUCKING OPINION it's not emotional. They may have a lot of emotion, but it
doesn't make ME feel anything. All you people who continue to yelp at me
over this are just revealing what self-righteous cock devouring bastards
you are. Swallow my cum, babay!
-Brian
--superhype!
On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
> > > are just plain boring in my opinion. The six bands that you mentioned, as > > far as I'm concerned, are all total stiffs. There's some cool guys in some > > of those bands, but musically...well, if you find emotion in it, or you > > just enjoy the technicality of it, more power to ya, but if you're trying > > Talk about jerks.... > > You find NO emotion in Pain of Salvation's music ?!?! Ex-fucking-cuse me ?! > > ]From that sentence, and that sentence only, I can say that DUDE, do as you > stated, plus shove even your ears in there! I bet you haven't listened to > them, I just can't imagine howelse you could say that. > > Let me suggest something, rollback (uh-huh, I said rollback...) the > abovementioned. Listen to One Hour by the Concrete Lake two times. If you > don't find ANY emotion in it, go listen to another time, once more. If you > STILL don't find any, flip DT in the changer, and then listen to OHbtCL once > again. Cry. > > (no, not because it'd suck or anything, but because you then realize how > wrong you were, and how moved you are by then ;) > > Won't say anything about the other bands mentioned there ;p (although I'm > sure there's someone to tell me the same thing that I did about PoS...) > > - Rock > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com >
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 05:37:43 +0700 From: Adrian Tunggono <pluki7@indosat.net.id> To: ~status seekers <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: napstah vs songwriters Message-ID: <3A05E127.48EB9877@indosat.net.id>
some more thoughts on the Napster thing from a songwriter's point of view...
http://www.mixonline.com/current/2000/opinion/10insiderwendy.html -- pluki7-4290051-8498006
| Look in the mirror my friend | | Let's stare the problem right in the eye | | | | -M. Portnoy |
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Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 18:30:58 -0500 From: Phil Carter <artoo@bellsouth.net> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <4.1.20001105182544.00957560@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Brian, prog-baiting again: >> are just plain boring in my opinion. The six bands that you mentioned, as >> far as I'm concerned, are all total stiffs. There's some cool guys in some >> of those bands, but musically...well, if you find emotion in it, or you >> just enjoy the technicality of it, more power to ya, but if you're trying
and now, the progsnob reply: >Talk about jerks.... >You find NO emotion in Pain of Salvation's music ?!?! Ex-fucking-cuse me ?! > >]From that sentence, and that sentence only, I can say that DUDE, do as you >stated, plus shove even your ears in there! I bet you haven't listened to >them, I just can't imagine howelse you could say that.
[snip, snip, snip]
This is EXACTLY the sort of thing Brian was talking about in his very first post. It is also, by the way, the same thing that irritates ME about a lot of prog lovers -- the insistence that prog is somehow superior to other music.
Just because he doesn't like it and doesn't find any emotion in it does NOT make his opinion any less valid!
You like Pain of Salvation. That's nice. Brian doesn't like Pain of Salvation. That's nice.
End of story.
It's very simple, folk. If there were only one kind of music, the world would be very boring. There are enough different kinds of music and musical styles out there to make everyone happy, and no one kind has any more intrinsic worth than any other. It's all just a matter of opinion.
cheers, Phil
================================================== Phil Carter -- artoo@bellsouth.net -- http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/~artoo "Music is enough for a whole lifetime -- but a lifetime is not enough for music." -- Sergei Rachmaninoff
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:05:46 +0100 From: "Mariano Gil" <e301472@correo.unnet.es> To: "Foro Dream Theater" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Empire Message-ID: <006801c0477f$8c927100$3f09533e@20453cemadrcp>
Just a miscelanous question: does anyone know why the cover of Queensryche's album "Empire" is so poor? The logo is plenty of ugly pixels. P.D.: If it's a mistake, I can only remember a similar one: Judas Priest's Jugulator.
-- Don't live for pleasure, make life your treasure Black Sabbath, Sign of the Southern Cross
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Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:48:13 -0700 From: rkhyx@21cn.com To: <facqe@slomusic.net> Subject: Home Workers Needed! _____________________________________ Message-ID: <00005bce4ae5$000017c1$000003d1@dns1.sino21.com>
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 01:06:34 EST From: StolnTrst@aol.com To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5662 Message-ID: <f3.437fff7.2737a46a@aol.com>
>I would say you're average listener even on your >average equipment would struggle to tell the >difference between a 128+ mp3 and a CD. I know most of >my friends who have large amounts of mp3 keep them all >at 96-128 and claim that they can't tell the >difference.
LOL!!! your friends can't tell the difference between a 96kbs MP3 and a CD?!? man, , that's messed up! tell your friends to lay off the crack and Kid Rock, and take a trip to the ear doctor! And by the way, Tapes far surpass any 96-128kbs MP3
JB
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 01:37:56 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5662 Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0011060128290.58489-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 StolnTrst@aol.com wrote:
> LOL!!! your friends can't tell the difference between a 96kbs MP3 and > a CD?!? man, , that's messed up! tell your friends to lay off the > crack and Kid Rock, and take a trip to the ear doctor! And by the way, > Tapes far surpass any 96-128kbs MP3
The scary thing about this is that he's right. Most people I know who listen to pop music can't tell the difference between a 128Kbps MP3 and the actual CD (I would give them the benefit of the doubt at 96Kbps). I think this has to do with three things: the quality of the recordings, the shittiness of their playback equipment, and the fact that they listen to the radio.
Honestly: How high-quality is FM radio? By definition, not that high at all. It's a radio carrier frequency wave; it can't possibly hold that high a bandwidth. This has a direct result on a listener's ear in that if you continue to listen to the radio all of the time, your ear gets used to the fact that everything sounds awful.
Naturally, when they actually DO listen to the CD, they should hear a tremendous increase in quality, right? Nope. Why not? Because they play the CDs back on their shitty boomboxes or Aiwa crap and they think it's great because it sounds just like the radio. Also, they tend to EQ music to the point that you can't hear all of the bad sounds coming out of the tweeters (tweeters? What are those?). Most of the sound that most people I know listen to comes from the woofers or below, anyway. Nobody cares about quality anymore.
Cse in point: My mother. She doesn't care about WHERE she puts her Bose Acoustimass Home Theater speakers in the living room. She doesn't even USE the Surround feature of them (don't even get me STARTED on that). She doesn't like her music loud at all, she won't watch movies with the stereo on (hell, she doesn't watch movies PERIOD). When she asked me to hook up some new speakers on the porch for when they were out there, I took a look outside and said "Where do you want me to put them? Because it depends on whether you're going to be listening to it from the porch or from the driveway." She said, "What do you mean?" I explained that depending on where she would most likely be listening to the music had a profound impact on where I was going to place the speakers for optimum sound. She said that she didn't care where I put them as long as she could hear music coming from someplace.
Now tell me, does this woman deserve, need, or really want a $1200 speaker set? I don't understand why she didn't just get cheap-o surround speakers if she even wanted them to be in the living, and why she didn't just hang speakers from the porch ceiling if she wanted to hear music when she was outside. Myself, I would have measured out the precise locations of my couch, television, room depth, etc. to figure out where the perfect spot to place the speakers and the perfect spot to sit would be. I would have set up two different sets of speakers outside, one for listening ON the porch, and one for listening outside, i.e. in the driveway.
But MOST people don't care about that kind of stuff. Most teenagers/ college students I know don't care how high quality the music is (nor could they tell the difference between high quality and low), they only care about how loud it goes and how much bass it can pump out.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Dan Quayle -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 04:24:37 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: emotion, opinion, onions make me cry Message-ID: <af.2c389f5.2737d2d5@aol.com>
It seems it is time for the posting of a definition. Pay specific attention= =20 to definition number 2a:
Main Entry: opin=B7ion Pronunciation: &-'pin-y&n Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin opinion-, opinio,=20 from opinari Date: 14th century 1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular=20 matter b : APPROVAL, ESTEEM 2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledg= e=20 b : a generally held view 3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b : the formal=20 expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and=20 principles upon which a legal decision is based
Kevin
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 19:27:04 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Some suggestions on these CDs please... Message-ID: <3A067968.A3731452@winshop.com.au>
Hello,
Can anyone give me some reviews/comments/criticisms of the following albums before I purchase;
Kamelot - (the new live album) Flower Kings - Alive On Planet Earth Ayeron - The Dream Sequencer Sonata Arctica - (their current album, I forget the name)
Thank you,
Luke.
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:17:53 +0100 From: Wringwraith <andy@dust.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5662 Message-ID: <3A067741.522FF17E@dust.de>
Hey Jammers,
All of this talk about Pain of Salvation. Can anyone of their listeners here recomend an album to someone who has never heard them before? Describe there music a little maybe?
I just picked up Spock's - V, Symph X - V, Shadow Gallery - Tyranny, and Magna Carta - Steinway To Heaven.
I love Spock's, Symph X, and the Steinway album is a bit of a let down but still good. I was expecting the players to jam off the classical pieces and add their own touches, not play them note for note. But I groove off it -- it's a good disc to relax to.
Now the Shadow Gallery disc Tyranny, I'm having a reall problem getting to like. It's sounds very 80's glammy to me -- I'm still trying and haven't given up -- but it's a bit of a challenge.
andy
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:55:12 EST From: Orion82@aol.com To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: YOU ALL NEED TO READ THIS Message-ID: <b7.84862f1.273882c1@aol.com>
Let's try our best to keep this list strictly to Dream Theater related matters. I, and guaranteed, countless other people on this list do not give a darn about CyberDuke's CD's for sale, Robert River's illegal ticket scalping (in all honesty, I didn't read what he was going on about, but am 100% sure it wasn't related to ...what was that band again??), or some of the countless SPAM's that have appeared on here. If you are replying to someone, reply to THEM!! The whole list doesn't care of your opinion, unless they can benefit. Why would they care about my opinion? Because again, I'm sure most of you care less about the things that aren't related to Dream Theater type pissings.
Orion
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