YTSEJAM Digest 5632
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5626
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
2) PS2 vs. Dreamcast
by "Sigit Prabowo" <tekpps05@bni.co.id>
3) Re: PS2
by Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org>
4) Re: PS2
by SymphonyXtasy@aol.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5631
by "Douglas Gray" <douglas_gray@hotmail.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5631
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
7) OT: please go to our MP3.COM page and download our music
by "Coenen, Marcel" <marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5631
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
9) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5631
by "The Honorable Ari Goldmann" <agoldman@bates.edu>
10) Re: PS2
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
11) RE: Can't take the suspense...
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
12) Pi
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
13) Platypus/Kevin Moore
by Pywokit@aol.com
14) KID A
by Jared Emery <Jared@fourwinds-trading.com>
15) Re: Can't take the suspense...
by "Janne Jokitalo" <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
16) DT on the radio
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:53:31 EDT
From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5626
Message-ID: <72.3a3d85e.270edefb@aol.com>
The poor girl fell for it and now she'll get fried on the bitchejam.
However, I hope NOT. Don't be so mean to the newbies ;-)
<<
>Hello Mary,
>welcome to the Jam.
>You could say what your fave bands are. :))
>Marko
>>
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:27:53 +0700
From: "Sigit Prabowo" <tekpps05@bni.co.id>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: PS2 vs. Dreamcast
Message-ID: <027001c02f70$4d717e20$0cca17ac@sigitprabowo>
I have both, so probably I'm neutral enough to comment :
Yes, the PS2 seems to be a development nightmare, at least up to about a
month ago. I have five games (Ridge Racer V, Primal Rage, Tekken Tag
Tournament, FIFA Soccer 2001, and Dead Or Alive 2). All are so-so, and
leaves questions. RRV for example, is that all the machine can do ? TTT is
nice, but actually just good ol' Tekken in new clothing. FIFA Soccer'
graphics is jaw-dropping. That is, until you notice that everybody looks
Japanese. And the gameplay is .. well, like the others in the series.
(Nothing beats Konami's soccer engine). To be fair, I think the problem has
been solved to some extent. Take a look at Metal Gear Solid 2 demo for
proof. I guess we'll just have to wait for October 26th (PS2 launch date =
SFAM launch date, notice that ?).
I do play a lot more Dreamcast these days, simply because it has more games,
and GOOD games ! Sega naysayers please check out Virtua Tennis (for the
amazing gameplay) and Ecco The Dolphin : Defender Of The Future (for the
awesome graphics).
DVD quality is OK (for the very limited titles that I've tested, e.g. Styx
Return To Paradise).
Other comments :
One warning : compared to the Playstation's, DC's vibration (via the Jump
Pack) is bad. It's not strong enough, doesn't seem to have many vibration
variations, doesn't support "stereo" vibration, plus the game designers are
(up to now) not creative enough in putting it to good use.
In terms of graphics, surprisingly there is no noticeable difference with
the current available games. Some DC games even manage to look better. Let's
see how things will turn out once the programming difficulties have been
solved. In terms of sound, DC is ugly. PS2 is crystal clear and very loud.
It comes with Dolby 5.1 capability right out of the box . Loading time is
better on DC, also the memory card performance is better. DC controller
looks funny, but once I get used to it, I really like it. The analog stick
is small, but allows more precise control than PS/PS2's Dual Shock. Also,
the analog triggers are great, especially for driving games.
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 01:32:07 -1200
From: Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: PS2
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20001006012847.00b76790@pop3.norton.antivirus>
At 12:41 AM 10/6/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>You'd be surprised. First off, he IS right - game developers ARE criticizing
>the PS2 design. Second, it's not just "lackeys or fans of Sega and Nintendo"
>that are saying that PS2 sucks. Out of about 30 people in my school who
>played it, 27 or 28 said that it was a total piece of crap, most of which had
>been preaching "PLAYSTATION 2 WILL BE THE BEST EVER!!!" beforehand.
Are these the same people who go out and listen to an MP3 of their favorite
band before the album comes out, then complains how they've sold
out? Sorry, but it is very popular to hype up something unrealistically
then slag it down unrealistically later on. It's a trend. The PS2 is a
pretty kickass machine. Just because the first round of games do not use
100% of its power does not mean that it "sucks" -- The same has been true
of every system ever made.
I trust people whose jobs are at stake more than I trust
consumers. Consumers, for the most part, have their heads up their butts
and have no real opinions. Whatever it's cool to like or hate, that's what
they like or hate.
~Chris
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 04:53:54 EDT
From: SymphonyXtasy@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: PS2
Message-ID: <40.1ad435a.270eed22@aol.com>
> >You'd be surprised. First off, he IS right - game developers ARE
criticizing
> >the PS2 design. Second, it's not just "lackeys or fans of Sega and
Nintendo"
>
> >that are saying that PS2 sucks. Out of about 30 people in my school who
> >played it, 27 or 28 said that it was a total piece of crap, most of which
> had
> >been preaching "PLAYSTATION 2 WILL BE THE BEST EVER!!!" beforehand.
>
> Are these the same people who go out and listen to an MP3 of their
favorite
> band before the album comes out, then complains how they've sold
> out? Sorry, but it is very popular to hype up something unrealistically
> then slag it down unrealistically later on. It's a trend. The PS2 is a
> pretty kickass machine. Just because the first round of games do not use
> 100% of its power does not mean that it "sucks" -- The same has been true
> of every system ever made.
A console is judged by its games. SNES was - and still is - considered a
great system. Why? It has some classic games that are still better than most
games today in terms of fun and gameplay.
Just because PS2 has more "power" doesn't make it a better machine. I mean,
what are you going to do, invite your friends over to look at a sheet of
paper that has the PS2 specs written on it?
At the moment, it has no games that truly stand out as something special.
They're all decent, or worse.
And a system can very easily "suck," but become better as it progresses and
the games improve. Right now, PS2 sucks.
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:12:18 GMT
From: "Douglas Gray" <douglas_gray@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5631
Message-ID: <F155I9dm5UxP9Fekzab000057ab@hotmail.com>
Hey there Ashley and Graham
I'm booked up for London (front row on the balcony) and only two weeks to
go!
Does anyone know if DT does anything special on the last night of a tour, as
I think (could be wrong though!) that Hammersmith is the last night?
Also, I was wondering if there are any good sites which list settings for
effects boxes (I play through a Peavey Profex II). I hate knob twiddling -
I just can't hold back when I feel those silky strings and my fingers! Any
help with this would be greatly appreciated.
Doug
NP - Book of Shadows - Zakk Wylde
"I'm sick of coming to London and getting Seamen rammed down my throat" -
Gary McAllister
>"Ashley Wong (ETL)" wrote:
> > BTW, you or anybody here (Charlie F.!) going to Hammersmith in October?
>
>I will be at the Glasgow and London shows. My seat for the London show is
>in the front row, and my position for the Glasgow show is right in the
>middle of the moshpit.
>
>--
>Graham Borland
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:29:30 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5631
Message-ID: <39DDA98A.CE2A64F3@picsel.com>
Douglas Gray wrote:
> Does anyone know if DT does anything special on the last night of a
> tour, as I think (could be wrong though!) that Hammersmith is the last
> night?
Naked woman onstage (Edinburgh, 28th November 1993)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:26:50 +0200 From: "Coenen, Marcel" <marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: OT: please go to our MP3.COM page and download our music Message-ID: <7B91E207F265D311866F0008C7F3785C69E98B@iris.libertel-vs.nl>
Hello all of you !!!
Great news for all prog metal lovers.
On MP3.COM you can download lots of songs now from LEMUR VOICE, SUN CAGED, FORM and my SOLOCD.
Here are the URLS:
http://www.mp3.com/marcelcoenen (for my soloCD) http://www.mp3.com/form (for my powermetal band FORM, also samples now from the 1994 album I Choose My Own) http://www.mp3.com/lemurvoice (for my previous band Lemur Voice, songs from Insights AND Divided !) http://www.mp3.com/suncaged (for my NEW band Sun Caged)
So go there please and download or listen our songs and let me know what you think !!!
Cheers,
Marcel Coenen Guitarist Sun Caged mcoenen@home.nl icq: 22168027
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:13:56 -0600 From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5631 Message-ID: <B6033A44.36E%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
> Not only does it penalize most of us without a DTS player but it will also > seriously reduce the number of discs sold.
I don't know about that, you can have a two sided disc. I don't know of any company that has put out just a DTS disc. You can do One with 5.1 the other with DTS. Hell Universal has been putting out discs with both tracks on one side.(Bowfinger is the only one that comes to mind right now, oh T2:Ultimate has them both) Maybe we should make a plea to Mr. Portnoy. 5.1 5.1 5.1 I couldn't believe the sound of Metallica's Cunning Stunts in 5.1. WOW!
> Sorry, but that's totally bogus. As someone who is involved in the game > development community, the big worry right now is whether, between the PS2 > and the X-Box, PC-based gaming will survive. (Answer: of course it will) > -- The only people "lampooning" the PS2 are lackeys or fans of Sega and > Nintendo. Everyone else is waiting eagerly.
Just wait. I believe that is what Sony is doing with this lame "We didn't order enough parts so we will only be shipping half of our original ideal shipment." The fewer people that have one the more demand it creates. So if no one you know ends up getting one, you won't hear any first hand negativity, you will still want the system.
Sony has a Tickle Me Elmo on their hands. And where is Elmo now 2 years later?
chris
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:39:36 -0400 From: "The Honorable Ari Goldmann" <agoldman@bates.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5631 Message-ID: <NDBBIKGKKLCGJMPIJKOKEENKCBAA.agoldman@bates.edu>
You know what's great? Waking up bright and early and reading a brand new digest. You know what's even better? Have to scroll down for fourty minutes because we've been spammed soooooo many times!
Ari
ps: yeah, I know it's not a brand new issue, and I'm just a whiney bitch. But damnit it's early.
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:17:38 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PS2 Message-ID: <F97CD97675B94D11EA900005B88CF74E@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>But who wants to play poorly designed crap. I've been reading up on all >these next-gen systems. Dreamcast is the way to go right now. $300 for a >PS2? Don't think so, even the game developers are lampooning how poorly PS2 >is designed, making it hard to make games. Wait for a Nintendo GameCube(it >won't play DVDs but so what, I have a DVD player..or two).
I'm getting a PS2 'cos I'm a huge fan of the Final Fantasy series, AND itd be nice to have the thing double as my DVD player.
Matt
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:27:59 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Can't take the suspense... Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A01FC24E5@ISDCRE00>
Let him send you the wave files!! I have them on my desktop :)
> -----Original Message----- > From: Mary N [SMTP:mary1122@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Can't take the suspense... > > > Kurt, > > Okay, I can't take it anymore. WHAT is this quote > about? > > > >"Shut the f*ck up. Don't make me come down there and > >kick your f*cking ass" > >-James Labrie 4/16/97 > > > __________________________________________________ >
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:52:10 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pi Message-ID: <39DDF52A.84051A62@mol.com.mk>
> From: DoubleJay54@aol.com > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: Transatlantic > Message-ID: <34.b527951.270e76d2@aol.com> > > << >"... the band playing the song was very tired, so that some > >of its members were playing the tune in 3/4, others in 2/3, > >and third in some kind of Pi*squared(R) rhythm" > > funny he asks that, but playing in Pi Squared is perfectly normal.
It's not only Pi Squared, but is'e plus multiplied with a radius. :) What was that, equotation for of a circle? Or that was R squared * Pi?
The division near Pi was 22 divided by 7 (22/7), but even that is approximation. So I don't think it's so natural. Neither Douglas is. :)
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:32:53 EDT From: Pywokit@aol.com To: YTSEJAM@torchsong.com Subject: Platypus/Kevin Moore Message-ID: <6b.a980df0.270f74d5@aol.com>
Some dude was asking about TA, and started to think about the other side projects. Anyone got any good boots from those? Also im looking for a good DT boot with Keven still in and charlie out! Peace, Jeff
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 13:29:12 -0600 From: Jared Emery <Jared@fourwinds-trading.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: KID A Message-ID: <39DE2808.B3E4D441@fourwinds-trading.com>
I just got the new radio head, and its great! Its really atmospheric, with very sparse guitars, and LOADS of keyboards. They continue with the ok computer stylke, but much more dpressed. GO GET IT!
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:31:40 +0300 From: "Janne Jokitalo" <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Can't take the suspense... Message-ID: <000701c02fe5$33a3c140$af1e1e0a@boss.fi>
In no way could this be the famous second Mary from the channel ? Also better known as... okay, I won't mention it here before you give me permission, if you are the one :)
In any way, welcome to the 'Jam, if I'm allowed to say so :)
- Rock
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Mary N <mary1122@yahoo.com> > > Kurt, > > Okay, I can't take it anymore. WHAT is this quote > about? > > > >"Shut the f*ck up. Don't make me come down there and > >kick your f*cking ass" > >-James Labrie 4/16/97
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:41:35 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT on the radio Message-ID: <dd.a848027.270fbd2f@aol.com>
There was a htread a little while ago about DT being used on the radio as "background music." I discovered another one this morning. When my alarm went off, I was surprised to be awakened up by the beginning chords of "914" from LTE 2. At first I thought I set the alarm to CD and I had LTE in, then the radio people started talking over it. Then I realized that the Y100 morning show in Philadelphia uses 914 when they come back from a break every half hour or so. I was thinking of getting on the air just so I could ask who the LTE fan was.
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