YTSEJAM Digest 5638
Today's Topics:
1) Venue change (Glasgow)
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
2) grrrrrrrrr....
by "Nathan Wilhelm" <wilh0038@tc.umn.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5637
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
4) Re:Vai and Cobain comment
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
5) too much Spam on da 'Jam
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
6) Re: too much Spam on da 'Jam
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
7) A well of vomit
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
8) JP on EBAY
by Jared Emery <Jared@fourwinds-trading.com>
9) Re: too much Spam on da 'Jam
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
10) Re: A well of vomit
by Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org>
11) Re: Strings and Picks, a love story.
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
12) Queensryche tribute
by Erik Wahlen <ewahlen@soundfound.com>
13) Miscellaneous Guitar Ramblings ... possibly my longest post
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
14) jammers on guitarwar?
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@CLEMSON.EDU>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5637
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5616
by Liquidt3@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:04:38 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Venue change (Glasgow)
Message-ID: <39E59AC6.92875E63@picsel.com>
It seems that the venue for DT's show in Glasgow on October 18th has
changed from the Barrowlands to the Garage (which is much smaller, like a
third of the capacity). I guess they didn't sell enough tickets. I haven't
seen this officially confirmed yet, but two of the online ticket agencies
are listing the changed venue.
DT are going to be really pissed off at having to play in a small dingy
club instead of a decent-sized concert hall. I think it is horrible that
they play to thousands of people a night all across mainland Europe, and
then they come here and have to play in a place not much bigger than my
bedroom. :-(
How am I going to be able to enjoy a show where I know the band members
are pissed off and depressed about the crappy venue and pathetic turnout?
I am dreading it.
:-(
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:30:40 -0500 From: "Nathan Wilhelm" <wilh0038@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: grrrrrrrrr.... Message-ID: <001301c03448$3bb23bc0$d9b76580@umn.edu>
Is there any way we could kick these spamming people off of the jam? I am starting to get a little pissed off.
Nate
--------------------------------------------------- wilh0038@tc.umn.edu http://dtmetropolis.virtualave.net AOL IM: uofmtrumpet
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:18:03 +1000 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5637 Message-ID: <39E5C81A.7DF6F34C@alphalink.com.au>
I have noticed a large increase with the amount of spam in my mail box which seems to coincide with the spam-to-the-jam, or me signing up with Guitarwar. Has anyone else noticed this?
> Maybe somebody got pissed off and subscribed ytsejam@torchsong.com to an > email bomb list for advertisers? > > If I see any more ads about how I can win free cars, get paid to sit on > my ass in the irc, and lower my cholesterol and fat levels without > lifting a finger without being threatened of the impending doom of quick > and tragic death if I don't forward the information to thousands of > other people before Halloween, I think I'm gonna order a pack of Nads > and burn my eyes off!! > > Dream Theater rocks! Duh. :P > > ~Eckie wishes Papa John's would send coupons to the list for free large > 2 topping pizzas...mmmm.....
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:38:24 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Vai and Cobain comment Message-ID: <20001012.083845.-29669.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
I never got "what" the big deal was about Nirvana. They came out, and true they offered a sound that was unique BUT alice in chains AND soundgarden were doing it first, and much better I might add. There was absolutely NOTHING technical or challenging about the music, lyrically or musically.
To put it another way they just plained sucked.
That was BEFORE Kurt decided to go blow his head off. Such a cool name too, he brings shame to my name. Anyways after his death he was immortilized and Nirvana's music all of a sudden was even greater, sold more etc etc.
Someone should right a song about this.
My girlfriend was listening to Passion and Warfare with me in the car. her remark : "this is sanatana without the latin influence" True to some extent, but I replied "Vai is a guitar god, Sanatana WAS one until that piece of crap he released to make $$."
Umm I think thats all. When does the new Vai cd come out? I can't wait for that and the new nir-wait I forgot he's dead.
How does Kurt CObain gather his thoughts?
with a squeegie.
What was the last thing to go through Cobain's mind?
His teeth.
hehehehehehehe, Kurt
ytsekurt on AOL instant messenger Trade page-www.geocities.com/Kurt_labrie/startpage.html "Shut the f*ck up. Don't make me come down there and kick your f*cking ass" -James Labrie 4/16/97
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:38:58 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: too much Spam on da 'Jam Message-ID: <000701c03451$c6190e20$0238240a@airmail.net>
Yes... ever since the list moved over to Torchsong.com, we've had an enormous amount of spam getting in. A nice option would be to only allow posts to the 'Jam if you were a member of the list itself... kinda like Egroups has.
-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of mikel@alphalink.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5637
I have noticed a large increase with the amount of spam in my mail box which seems to coincide with the spam-to-the-jam, or me signing up with Guitarwar. Has anyone else noticed this?
> Maybe somebody got pissed off and subscribed ytsejam@torchsong.com to an > email bomb list for advertisers? > > If I see any more ads about how I can win free cars, get paid to sit on > my ass in the irc, and lower my cholesterol and fat levels without > lifting a finger without being threatened of the impending doom of quick > and tragic death if I don't forward the information to thousands of > other people before Halloween, I think I'm gonna order a pack of Nads > and burn my eyes off!! > > Dream Theater rocks! Duh. :P > > ~Eckie wishes Papa John's would send coupons to the list for free large > 2 topping pizzas...mmmm.....
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:24:46 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: too much Spam on da 'Jam Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001012072225.021a5eb0@mail.phoenixdsl.com>
At 06:48 AM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Yes... ever since the list moved over to Torchsong.com, we've had an >enormous amount of spam getting in. A nice option would be to only allow >posts to the 'Jam if you were a member of the list itself... kinda like >Egroups has. That would be nice... Also I think someone has gotten a hold of the user list for this list (or just harvested the email addresses from the messages), because I seem to be getting the spam in duplicate. One addressed to the list address and one addressed to my address....
~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:43:56 -0500 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: A well of vomit Message-ID: <001b01c0345a$dac330e0$8184e5cf@someone>
> From: welihozkiy <andy@dust.de> > Subject: a bit of a rant...
Just a bit.
> My god, my brain is bleeding from reading that post! I've never known > anybody who can write so much about nothing. Congrats brutha'. You even > bored the hell out of me -- which is no easy feat mind you. ;) > Just play whatever the hell feels good to you -- there ain't no secrets...
There are no secrets, but there are REASONS behind some choices. You're awfully presumptuous. Is there a reason to play a Korg Trinity live instead of a Kawaii general midi board? The tools make a difference. We're just having fun expressing that. You need to lay off the coffee.
> >"Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> > >and I have been playing guitar for a year, and can play Black Star and Eruption flawlessly. > > Would you like a cookie Chris? Even though I highly doubt the above -- I give you credit for posting it. > Or maybe I'm misjudging your sarcasm?
A). You missed the sarcasm. B). I've been playing for TWO years, and C). I can play Black Star WHILE playing Erruption... both flawlessly. C). I don't take cookies from assholes (they smell). :) THAT'S A JOKE. RELAX. I'M SURE YOU'RE NOT AN ASSHOLE!
> The whole idea about this Shredi site just proves how cock sure guitarists are. I'm sure there are some, a few, > decent guitarists on there amongst the "I've been playing for 1 - 3 years, look what I can play" > 'kids'. Gee, I think I'll bookmark it right now! The bottom line is....if you're playing to impress people and not > for yourself, you'll never be anything. And if you claim you are posting at this site to get feedback about your playing, > you're foolish and incompetent because no one who's been playing for years and years and actually has intelligent feedback > is ever going to sit and waste a day searching through Gig's of crap to find that one person to give advice to.
Steve Vai would argue with your sentiment. The "for yourself" part is the FEELING you get when you take someone away from where they are... like if you have a song like For the Love of God, and someone's all stressed out, and they sit down and listen to it... they may be flying over a mountain in their mind's eye while listening to it... whatever. The ability to emotionally impact people is pretty much WHY people play, in my experience (only 2 years... and I only know 2 songs... Black Star and Errup- nevermind) I wonder where you're coming from that you're making these statements. Do you have some music I can hear? Not as a "prove how good you are" but as in "I'm curious." However, pretty much every word of what you said above, I disagree with. There are people on that site who are signed and living off their music. There are people on that site who are college students, writing killer music in between classes. I think you're being ignorant, out of resent or whatever... but to walk out here and put people down because they want to challenge themselves is a sad thing.
> From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> > Subject: Re: Strings and Picks, a love story.
> FWIW during all those years I spent with Yngwie I did not manage to absorb what "gauge" he uses. I did absorb what he thought was relevant though --
I'm sure whichever strings Yngwie used, they are THE RIGHT strings to use. <evil grin>
testosterone-soaked brain. I humbly offer this information in the hope that no one will persist in the erroneous belief that all we _old_ shred farts did in those days was to sit around and talk about string gauges. :)
Oh, I know... it's mostly us young pre-farts who have nothing better to do. And yeah, string guage isn't THAT important... but we're just sitting here answering questions about "why would someone choose gauge X over gauge Y" which has to be similar to someone asking if they should be using non-weigted, semi weighted or weighted keys for playing shred keyboard.
> This all sounds like mumbo-jumbo to me. The pick is that plastic thingy right?? How heavy could it be?! Not more than a can of beer or a bag of potato chips, surely??
Har Har Har (diminished chord played chromatically descending like in the Bozo show)
> Shred or no shred: I know for sure that a lot of people get a very deep satisfaction from watching / hearing someone playing difficult things (or what they BELIEVE are difficult things).. and that some don't...
It seems simple to me... I SIMPLY don't understand why anyone would knock anyone else for trying to improve their playing. This GuitarWar site is the functional equivalent of playing Nintendo... except you do it with a guitar, so you get something out of it. It's a game, and it's for laughs and fun... but in the end you still have to write, play, record and mix music... to me, I think that's a pretty GREAT thing for any musician to be into, particularly when you still rank yourself as ametuer, and you want to get input on what people think of your playing.
> To me, keyboards "is" the superior instrument because of the lack of limitations -- you can easily play things that would be very difficult to execute on guitar. Then again, guitar is the more interesting instrument because of the limitations -- the limitations are what define an instrument!
Most of the keyboardists I know wish they could play guitar as well (or they DO play guitar). I'm with you in this one though. If you can play keyboard, theory is easier to grasp, as is part writing... you can be much more self sufficient as a keyboardist than as a guitarist.
- Chris
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:48:10 -0600 From: Jared Emery <Jared@fourwinds-trading.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: JP on EBAY Message-ID: <39E5CF2A.90EEB981@fourwinds-trading.com>
2 of jps guitars that were on his website last week are now on ebay. The blueburst 7 string, and the P1 graphics 7 string....way cheaper than $5k....
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:33:11 +0000 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: too much Spam on da 'Jam Message-ID: <2.2.32.20001012123311.00d93f3c@pi-r-squared.com>
At 06:47 AM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Yes... ever since the list moved over to Torchsong.com, we've had an >enormous amount of spam getting in. A nice option would be to only allow >posts to the 'Jam if you were a member of the list itself... kinda like >Egroups has. >
Actually, we moved to torchsong to get away from spam, or at least that's how it seemed to me. It comes and goes.. for a while it stopped, and now it's started again *shrug*. I really don't think there's anything we can do, except maybe Skadz can put something in where only subscribers can post.. but that seems like something that would already be in place, so who knows.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"There is nothing more pragmatic than idealism" -David Mamet
"With all its luck and all its danger The war is dragging on a bit Another hundred years or longer The Common man won't benefit. Filthy his food, no soap to shave him The regiment steals half his pay. But still a miracle may save him: Tomorrow is another day! The new year's come. The watchmen shout. The thaw sets in. The dead remain. Wherever life has not died out It staggers to its feet again."
-Bertolt Brecht. Mother Courage and her Children
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:41:50 -1200 From: Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: A well of vomit Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20001012103802.00b1bb38@pop3.norton.antivirus>
At 02:50 AM 10/12/2000, Ptacek wrote: > Oh, I know... it's mostly us young pre-farts who have nothing better to >do. And yeah, string guage isn't THAT important... but we're just sitting >here answering questions about "why would someone choose gauge X over gauge >Y" which has to be similar to someone asking if they should be using >non-weigted, semi weighted or weighted keys for playing shred keyboard.
I'd compare it more to the "wheels versus joystick" for pitch bend and mod controls. Yeah, they're both a matter of preference, but the key weights are mostly trying to emulate classic instrument feels, while the wheels/stick argument is more a matter of perceived easiness and style of doing certain techniques. And like string gauge, it has to do with bending and vibrato, so there. ;)
Ugh, this was a really trivial and pointless post.
~Chris (a firm believer in the church of joysticks)
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Strings and Picks, a love story. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010121644290.7296-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Jens Johansson wrote:
> FWIW during all those years I spent with Yngwie I did not manage to absorb > what "gauge" he uses. I did absorb what he thought was relevant though > whatever he uses (008? 007? 001? sounds like a bunch of secret agents to > me) he claims it is a good compromise between bend range and.. ehm.. > whatever drawback there is to having thin strings, can't remember now. > Gee. They rust, or break or something?? :) I'm quite sure he barked the > gauges to a new tech on many occasions within my earshot, but I suppose > it just didn't sink into my testosterone-soaked brain. I humbly offer > this information in the hope that no one will persist in the erroneous > belief that all we _old_ shred farts did in those days was to sit around > and talk about string gauges. :)
If anyone is curious, Yngwie comments on his choice of string gauge in one of his Young Guitar "Play Loud!" instructional videos. While he actually says he uses 0.008 through 0.048, at the time of him saying it in the video they show a set of strings in their little envelopes, and the numbers on the envelopes range from 0.008 to 0.046. Just a teeny inconsistency. I don't know if Yngwie himself isn't sure what string gauges he uses or if the people who made the video simply screwed up.
And yes, heavy picks all the way. My pick of choice is the Jim Dunlop Tortex Jazz H3. 1.14mm sharp tip. The one on the far right in the image below. Yay.
http://www.jimdunlop.com/picks/images/tortex8.jpg
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:13:16 -0400 From: Erik Wahlen <ewahlen@soundfound.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Queensryche tribute Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001012180411.00aad470@mail.soundfound.com>
Hiya!
I happened to find a Queensryche tribute CD in a store last week. It was with Ion Vein and some other bands. Is it any good? And by good I mean, does it sound good and do the bands add anything to the songs (or do they just try to sound exactly like Queensryche)?
Erik
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:37:05 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Miscellaneous Guitar Ramblings ... possibly my longest post Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001012183705.008aeaa0@mail.ptd.net>
Eric/Ned typed: >Shedding I think is easiest with 10's if you do mostly alternate or sweep= >picking.
Has anyone ever seen a guitarist shed? I understand it's usually a rather private affair ... I mean, if I were shedding, I certainly wouldn't want to share it with the public. Who wants to see that? ;D
>And about the Jazz III's. John Petrucci uses the black ones. >Eric Johnson uses the red ones. The black ones are a thicker plastic so >you get more click but is still stronger so you're lines stick out more. The= >red is a softer plastic so it yields a smoother tone. this is what i have no= >ticed through trying them both. hope this helps out.
My vote goes to the blacks, for one reason: CONTROL. The reds are not only a softer plastic, but they're glossy, so they slip and slide across the strings very easily, and they're harder to maintain a firm grip on. This becomes a serious issue if you're trying to gain control and precision with alternate, economy and sweep picking. Blacks produce more friction, more resistance when they hit the string. If Petrucci would use reds, his technique wouldn't necessarily suffer, but you might notice a lack of clarity in his faster alternate picking runs and sweeps. So if you're satisfied with the reds but haven't tried the blacks out yet, I highly recommend it.
Graham: >Now I have to find another place to order the new Symphony X album from.
As do many once hopeful American SymX fans who might have expected the CD to appear in local record stores this Tuesday. It seems that the rumours about Metal Blade not really planning to make much of an effort to promote the band are already starting to prove true. I'm glad I ordered my V online.
>Just play whatever the hell feels good to you -- there ain't no secrets...
I agree with playing what feels good, yet I disagree because there's another level to it. I know a lot of this does sound like "mumbo-jumbo" (as Jens so eloquently put it ;) ), but it's all part of customizing your guitar equipment to suit your developmental needs as a player. What kind of pick you use makes a bigger difference than you might realize - if you're a player who's trying to develop better and faster right-hand accuracy, you'd better believe you're gonna have a harder time with a flimsy Fender "medium" pick than with a Dunlop Jazz series pick.
The same applies to strings. If you're aiming to develop technical proficiency on your instrument (especially in the left hand), and you don't have 23 hours a day to do it, then you'd better stay away from the heavier gauges, and you'd better lower your action. It's almost common sense. If you decide to take up weightlifting, are you going to start out with heavier weights and build your strength on those (if you can even manage to lift them), or start out with lighter weights and build? You may very well develop incredible technique on light strings and decide to challenge yourself once you've reached a certain plateau of proficiency by going from 009's to .010's, or .010's to .012's, etc. But it's generally a bad idea to start building left-hand strength on a set of .011's ... remember, you don't want to strain yourself and end up with an RSI!
So to those of you who take the stance, "Who really gives a fuck what kind of pick or strings you use?" and feel the need to voice your opinion on the subject, please realize that there's more involved than you think. A guitarist's strings and pick of choice can be crucial to his/her development as a player (assuming said guitarist is concerned about developing); they are the very tools of technique, so don't knock all of the analysis. It's important.
>>"Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> >>and I have been playing guitar for a year, and can play Black Star and Eruption flawlessly. > >Would you like a cookie Chris? Even though I highly doubt the above -- I give you >credit for posting it. >Or maybe I'm misjudging your sarcasm?
You are. Anyone who's been on this list long enough knew that was a joke - and even if you're new, if you read his following post, he mentions having played for about 12, not 1. From what I've heard, I wouldn't doubt that he could play either or both of those songs flawlessly ... but that's only from what I've heard. Chris, you said you had some stuff up at Guitarwar.com ... where? I'd be interested in checking it out.
>The whole idea about this Shredi site just proves how cock sure guitarists are.
That's true, but remember, the only cock-sure guitarists that matter are the ones who can back their shit up. 99% of the guitarists who claim greatness yet probably spend 2-3 hours a day online in bullshit forums and chat rooms when they could be practicing are having delusions of grandeur. Try to keep in touch with these people ... five to ten years from now, they may very well realize, "Maybe if I had actually spent more time with the fucking instrument, developing discipline, I would have gone somewhere."
And remember, if you spend enough of your time and energy, you won't need to submit mp3's to guitarwar.com ... feedback can be obtained in many ways, and I sure as hell would prefer the kind you get in person, face-to-face, or at the very least over the phone. At the same time, it's true that the more feedback you get, the better sense of your strengths and weaknesses you'll develop. So I have mixed feelings about a site like GuitarWar.com. I guess in one sense I see it as a distraction, but in another I see it as a means of learning from other musicians.
>The bottom line is....if you're playing to impress people and not >for yourself, you'll never be anything.
Let me rephrase this such that I can agree with it, because you're almost right. ;) If you're playing ONLY to impress people, OR ONLY for yourself, you won't be much of a player. That's not to say you'll never be anything, though. Look at Joe Perry from Aerosmith (no flames from Aero fans, please) - or at least his main motivation for picking up the guitar was something along the lines of "to pick up chicks." He's rich, "somewhere", but not much of a player IMHO.
Also, do you suppose John Petrucci never planned on impressing anyone? Just a thought.
Jens: >I agree and I disagree. I agree a lot of guitarists are cock sure. I disagree that >a desire to impress people won't get anybody anywhere (although where "where" is >depends. (Maybe it depends on what "is" is))
Exactly! ;)
>Shred or no shred: I know for sure that a lot of people get a very deep >satisfaction from watching / hearing someone playing difficult things (or what they >BELIEVE are difficult things).. and that some don't...
Some people like to see that you've put a lot of work into your craft, and the rest are indifferent. It's all about the level you appreciate the music on. Some people listen to DT just for the "shred" factor, because the fact that each member of the band has such tremendous capability shows them that DT have put a lot of work and passion into what they do, and that's inspiring. And I mean, developing that kind of technique takes years of practice, dedication, and tremendous self-discipline ... I've always believed (or preferred to believe) that these things are universally admired human traits.
*stops and takes a breath* (with confidence and self-control) ;)
Well, I guess that was my annual (if even that often!) "big" post. I'm going to practice now! =P
Peace, Brian
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:56:44 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@CLEMSON.EDU> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: jammers on guitarwar? Message-ID: <004601c0349f$b12f5ed0$702010ac@clemson.edu>
So have any of our resident Shreddi actually posted anything on GuitarWar? I've been watching for familiar handles, but I have yet to see a PtacekTheDestroyer or Eckielicious on there yet. :) moo.
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:26:17 EDT From: DoubleJay54@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5637 Message-ID: <7e.b745597.2717ccc9@aol.com>
<< Actually, I think the Allman Brothers Band wrote it back in 1994, I believe it's on the "Where it All Begins" album. The Mule has covered it on several occasions including that "Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends" album. Gov't Mule was formed after this album was released (Warren Haynes and Allen Woody (RIP) broke away from the ABB). None the less, a great song. >>
yeah, your right. Warren Haynes wrote the song and i got ahead of myself thinking it was gov't mule, but he wrote it while in the bros band.
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:54:02 EDT From: Liquidt3@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5616 Message-ID: <c7.1adddfd.2717ef6a@aol.com>
I would like to be added to the list. Please subscribe me LiquidT3@WebTV.com
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