YTSEJAM digest 5938

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Date: Tue Aug 21 2001 - 06:56:55 EDT

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YTSEJAM Digest 5938

Today's Topics:

  1) Magic Bag in Detroit rips off Spock's Beard for $1,000.00
by "Matej Grginic" <izolit@siol.net>
  2) Devin + more
by "Tony/Alexis/Axel" <alexis1@prtc.net>
  3) Generalizations... R&B, etc.
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
  4) "You've got to see this page"
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
  5) Speaking of Tangerine Dream
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
  6) Powermad '01 odd's & end's...
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
  7) Re: Iced Earth show in Bay Area
by "Zachary Gemmill" <Zachary.Gemmill@nsc.com>
  8) Tangerine Dream / Powermad
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
  9) Flower Kings and Spock's Beard in Atl.
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
10) Vai too rehearsed?
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
11) Re: Vai too rehearsed?
by "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
12) Re: Generalizations... R&B, etc.
by "michele moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
13) new dt website
by "Sergey Shilov" <shilov@email.kht.ru>

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:19:55 +0200
From: "Matej Grginic" <izolit@siol.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Magic Bag in Detroit rips off Spock's Beard for $1,000.00
Message-ID: <001101c1296a$0a7eaa30$0600005a@PIII1GHZ>

I'd like to post this from Spock's Beard newsletter.
A fucking disgrace is what it is!
Matej

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Spock's Beard news: http://www.spocksbeard.com/news.htm
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Magic Bag in Detroit rips off Spock's Beard for $1,000.00

Here is a note from Neal Morse:

      The Magic Bag in Detroit, ripped Spock's Beard off for
      $1,000.00. We had a guarantee of $1500.00 and at the
      end of the night they gave us $500.00 and said "take
      it or leave it!".

      We had a full house in there (over 160) on a Tuesday
      and they just decided not to pay us....they gave
      several excuses like they originally booked us on a
      Sunday so the pay had changed...then they said Prog
      fans don't drink enough so they couldn't afford to
      pay us more....and we didn't have a signed contract.
      So they gave 10 guys on the road (5 band and 5 crew)
      $500.00 and said "see ya"! They have not made any
      effort to set things right.

SO PLEASE BOYCOTT THE MAGIC BAG!!

Here's their info:

http://www.themagicbag.com/
810-544-1991

      It's a really rotten thing that they did (to a band
      that's losing lots of money on the road as it is!)
      and I'm asking you to BOYCOTT THE MAGIC BAG to send a
      message that club owners can't treat bands like dirt.

Thanks,

      Neal
      http://www.spocksbeard.com/
      http://www.radiantrecords.com/
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:03:24 -0300
From: "Tony/Alexis/Axel" <alexis1@prtc.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Devin + more
Message-ID: <000901c12978$7fa33020$0201a8c0@pavilion>

Hello! To the guy who wanted to know about Devin Townsend's music, I do not
consider it prog. I consider it sort of atmospheric and experimental metal,
but not prog. Much of his music has a lot of sounds on top of each other,
pretty much like a sound orgy. The melodies are excellent (most of the
songs are quite melodic). I really don't know what else to say about it...

Hey, and thanks a lot for absolutely no feedback on my Leonardo post. Are
you people dead or something? Or are your posts being rejected by the
filters? Come on, you can do better than that...

Alexis

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:05:39 -0400
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Generalizations... R&B, etc.
Message-ID: <3B81191D.CCB131D4@mindspring.com>

I quote:

"Well, don't kill yourself trying to be too PC. I don't like the way the majority of them sound either. Yes, there are exceptions, but in general it's just annoying to me. That "Survivor" song from Destiny's Child is among the most annoying piles of crap I've ever heard.

Anyway, white people do that same kind of crap, but if we think real, it's like this. I know several black people who kick ass. But I do not like the R&B / HipHop stuff one bit. A majority of their 'musicians" and "singers" are black. That's not our fault; so I hope you don't apologize too much for it. :)"

I vehemently disagree with this statement, but the worst of it is it only reflects poorly upon the messenger. Of course, this being a DT/Progressive discussion group/message board/digest, we ourselves are the victims of enough misinformed ignorami and surely many stereotypes about prog exist and are even perpetuated by people. Some are true, some aren't but the point is sometimes NOT to add fuel to the proverbial fire.

But, back to the comments I read above, and have been reading variously throughout the Ytsejam over the last week (i've been in Baltimore for the last 4 days for Hour, I mean Powermad, so...). I take issue with this for a variety of reasons, but suffice to say, this is not necessarilly the forum to delve into the entire realm of viewpoints and opinions.

My view is there does seem to be enough underlying hostility in some of the comments (particularly in the one I quoted above), that is unnecessary here. I think mostly, besides just pure ignorance it is a case of people speaking about music they don't know much about, and/or don't listen to on a regular basis, if any basis, so they can and will only speak in general blanket statements and the like.

I myself listen to a wide range of music, including plenty of HipHop and R&B, and of course, the obligatory DT and FW and all their progeny, derivatives, etc... (heh heh). But, While I don't like everything, I certainly can find SOMETHING and/or some musicians/bands/artists in EVERY genre of music that are pushing the envelope and writing great music. Period. One just has to transcend close-minded preformed opinions and conjecture on music
they are NOT used to hearing.

For some good Hip/Hop & R&B, my opinion, check out: Outcast, Sade, Innocence, Earth Wind & Fire, War, Tower of Power, Digable Planets, Public Enemy, Ice T, Fu-Schnickens, James Brown, Parliament, Tony Toni Tone!, The Time, Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson (required, of course), Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprosy, some Wu-Tang, Guru, Run DMC, Eric B & Rakim, Lenny Kravitz & Prince (who get lumped into R&B, but are Pop/Rock artists IMHO), Chante
Moore, Brothers Johnson, some KC, Erika Badu, Jill Scott, Brand New Heavies, etc...

The list goes on, but the point is, that style of 'over-emoting', is just ONE variant in a genre (R&B) that covers ALOT of bases, my friends. People forget that there is huge amounts of progressive approaches to music in the rhythmic and melodic structures of songs in there. Of course, once someone puts on the blinders, those damn heavy things are a bitch to take off, so...

Anyhow, THAT's my first piece of the day and though I didn't want to think THAT hard after a trip loaded with some good progressive and power metal music (and plenty of TRU metal, of course) I will be slapping on some Tori Amos and Comodores for the rest of the day, if not the week!

Anyhow, if you are feeling more adventurous, check out my shit, too.

C'aio, brothers and sisters.

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Scott M. (Progressive activist/musician, Dr. Pepper Aficianado)
http://www.theambientmind.com
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mosher

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:07:34 -0400
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: "You've got to see this page"
Message-ID: <3B811990.78E1255@mindspring.com>

Um, yeah, the coding looks like it could possibly be an incredbly designed progressive music site, or possibly a vacationing spam venture, or even a dentists front office in VReality, but to mine eyees it looks like a bad plate of spaghetti. How about a URL?

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Scott M. (Progressive activist/musician, Dr. Pepper Aficianado)
http://www.theambientmind.com
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mosher

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:11:25 -0400
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Speaking of Tangerine Dream
Message-ID: <3B811A75.D515A2B6@mindspring.com>

If anyone is interested in TD meets Rush, with a little FW/DT/Kitaro thrown in for good measure, and some ambient/trance leanings, well, check out my song samples and the entire CD. I know I've posted this before, but occassionally the self-promotional bug bites and the virus flows through my veins at such an alarming rate I must acquiesce and release the beast via the occassional post here. But I will always make sure to preclude it with
some posts on various psychopathic odds and ends (i.e.: previous 2 posts).

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Scott M. (Progressive activist/musician, Dr. Pepper Aficianado)
http://www.theambientmind.com
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mosher

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:18:09 -0400
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
Subject: Powermad '01 odd's & end's...
Message-ID: <3B813832.C45D873A@mindspring.com>

Whassup y'all? Just got back from Powermad '01, in one piece (although my spleen is discolored from non-NY pizza and my left earlobe is still smarting from some of those too true 'TRU METAL' bands... the irony is too much) and well, the turnout certainly wasn't what was expected, or even up to par from years past,
but as always (and is par for the course for MANY festival events) an entertaining time was had by all, or at least myself and our strange little contingent. A few FW and Rush shirts floating about (occupied, of course) which is always a good sign. Some good bands I heard (and recommend for those searching for
atypical prog fare): Brave, Persephone's Dream, Dysrhythmia, Steel Prophet, There-4, and of course, F5 & Scott Mosher (plugging our own projects). Just thought I would touch base quickly, and legally (don't want those Brave's fan's complaining about the ump's). Next on the PR agenda, Prog power in Atlanta, and the
AARP meeting in Peoria...

Scott M. (Musician/artist/activist/El Duderino)

VIRTUALITY: The CD (ambient, neo-progressive cyber rock)

http://www.theambientmind.com
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mosher
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/worldofdarkness.mp3

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CD Song samples for the masses -->

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Date: 20 Aug 2001 09:10:10 -0700
From: "Zachary Gemmill" <Zachary.Gemmill@nsc.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Iced Earth show in Bay Area
Message-ID: <

Hello-

I'm going to the Iced Earth/Anthrax/Judas Priest show at the Warfield in SFO next month
(15th I think? Someone else got my ticket for me, but I think that's the date). Anyone interested
in driving up from the South Bay? I'm meeting some friends who are coming from Sacramento,
so I'm driving up to the city alone. Anyone interested in getting a ride, let me know.

Btw, I picked up "Horror Show" this weekend. After two listens, I can't say I'm that fond of it,
but I'll keep spinning it with some hope....

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:40:09 -0400
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Tangerine Dream / Powermad
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010820122450.01b4c340@cs.millersville.edu>

Figured I'd check out those Tangerine Dream tourdates, but the URL the good
Ambassador sent gave me a nice little DNS error (turns out all it needed
was the "www" bit at the beginning). I went with an alternate:

http://www.tangerinedream.com/

Interesting... (Don't worry, it isn't granny-porn or anything like that.)

On Powermad:

>the turnout certainly wasn't what was expected

It's always like that, due, more than anything, to a lack of advertising,
the extent of which this year seemed to be some 8.5X11 flyers on a few
telephone poles around the venue. This year, too, it was competing with
the WSOU festival in NJ, which featured all manner of big metal names:
Biohazard, Misfits, Overkill, Six Feet Under, Hatebreed, etc. The two
festivals draw different audiences in part, but, then, there's a lot of
metalfans (myself included) who enjoy most of the metallic
subgenres...mallcore aside... And, no doubt, the loss of Pain of Salvation
also hurt Powermad's attendance this year.

Personal highlights of Powermad 2K1: HELSTAR, Overlorde, Steel Prophet,
October 31, Manilla Road, Brave

Brian

[NP...Anacrusis -- Screams and Whispers]

=============================================
WB Henderson [wbhender@cs.millersville.edu]
Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio): http://ahp.musicpage.com/
Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/
WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/
WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/
=============================================

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:21:42 -0400
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Flower Kings and Spock's Beard in Atl.
Message-ID: <3B815536.115@atl.mediaone.net>

Not sure if I mentioned this here before (I did over at the MP.com
Forum), but Flower Kings and Spock's Beard will be playing within a day
of eachother in Atlanta in a little less than two weeks.

Flower Kings are playing on Friday, Aug. 31st at the Variety Playhouse.

Meanwhile, Spock's Beard are scheduled to perform Saturday evening Sept.
1st at Dragon*Con (www.dragoncon.org), which is an event in itself:
it's the largest SF/fantasy/comics/gaming/art convention in the world
and it takes place in downtown Atlanta. Pick up a one- or two-day
membership (or even a full 4-day, since Dragon*Con runs from Friday thru
the Monday holiday), take in a few panels or check out the dealers
room, hang out with all the other freaks, and then go see the shows.
:) There are several other bands performing at D*C, some of whom --
godhead, Clutch, the Cruxshadows, etc. -- are quite good....

Not a bad weekend for a prog vacation. :)

-- +--- Paul W. Cashman, pellaz@atl.mediaone.net ICQ 4151223 ----+ | Website: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/pellaz/ | | or www.paulcashman.com :) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Vai too rehearsed? Message-ID: <20010820220805.16500.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com>

I would like to respond to the person who said that Vai's set was all rehearsed. Well, my friend, what do you think JP and Satch's set were, improvised? At least with Vai's show, I wasn't able to predict what was about to happen, rehearsed or not.

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:29:41 +0200 From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Vai too rehearsed? Message-ID: <002001badada$ff3ca480$4ddf6693@----->

>I would like to respond to the person who said that >Vai's set was all rehearsed. Well, my friend, what do >you think JP and Satch's set were, improvised? At >least with Vai's show, I wasn't able to predict what >was about to happen, rehearsed or not.

I believe he was talking about his stage presence and show not the set itself.I've had the same feeling with Iron Maiden, ive seen them 3 times though,each time the same tricks. Takes away the feeling of uniqueness for the show you've just been too.

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:55:58 -0400 From: "michele moran" <michele@johndoe.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Generalizations... R&B, etc. Message-ID: <002a01c129e4$704f1dc0$f825fc9e@ivan>

Cyberwolf scribed:

"I myself listen to a wide range of music, including plenty of HipHop and R&B, and of course, the obligatory DT and FW and all their progeny, derivatives, etc... (heh heh). But, While I don't like everything, I certainly can find SOMETHING and/or some musicians/bands/artists in EVERY genre of music that are pushing the envelope and writing great music. Period. One just has to transcend close-minded preformed opinions and conjecture on music they are NOT used to hearing."

Excellent point. Amazing and wonderful and dead on. I generally lurk and usually only read half of what goes on here (because the other half can make me nuts, at times *grin*) but I have been following this thread... and this is the best response I've seen so far. I can't even begin to count the number of bands/musicians I've fallen in love with because I'm open to listening to ANYTHING once. DT is one of those bands, though... Sure, I've come across a lot of music that I don't like, for one reason or another, but that's all part of the game of finding out what defines you as a person. If you listen to one bad R&B CD.. or one bad Country CD.. or one bad Prog CD and swear off the genre for life.. you just might just miss your "new favorite CD" right around that genre's next corner. There is so much great music out there and we all should be open to experiencing as much of it as humanly possible.

michele

==== "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -- Oscar Wilde www.johndoe.org/evadedcadence

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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:26:39 +0400 From: "Sergey Shilov" <shilov@email.kht.ru> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, <themirror@yahoogroups.com> Subject: new dt website Message-ID: <000501c12a29$38a13800$608a3bd5@guest>

Hi guys.

I'm a fan of DT and I decided to make my own website dedicated to DT (a kind of tribute to my favorite band). It's a RUSSIAN website and it's for RUSSIAN speaking fans. There is also a mailing list to which you. To subscribe to this mailing list visit my site.

The name of the site is "Lines In The Web" and it's exact url is - http://dreamtheater.by.ru/

Sergey Shilov

email: sergeyshilov@yandex.ru shilov@email.kht.ru

www: http://dreamtheater.by.ru/ http://deadman.by.ru/

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