YTSEJAM Digest 5944
Today's Topics:
1) ProgDay; Dragon*Con
by The Original Irish Bastard <irish_bastard@bombshelter.ca>
2) Re: Angularity
by AiCFAN4@aol.com
3) Shadow Gallery
by AiCFAN4@aol.com
4) Slippery Slopes and Homeez on Dope
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
5) Re: Shadow Gallery
by Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
6) Re: Shadow Gallery
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
7) Pain of Salvation
by "Joe DeAngelo" <joe.deangelo@home.com>
8) Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com
by "Mariano Gil" <marianogil@eresmas.com>
9) POS
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
10) Steve's style
by "Franx '82" <franx82@box.it>
11) Re: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com
by "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Original Irish Bastard <irish_bastard@bombshelter.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ProgDay; Dragon*Con
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10108261211280.27459-100000@bombshelter.ca>
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
Subject: ProgDay; Dragon*Con
>> For more information, head to www.progday.com. Summer's almost
>> over, so why not end it with a long weekend of thirteen progressive music
>> acts, prog vendors (over a dozen including the Laser's Edge and
>> Syn-Phonic), outdoor fun and like-minded fans?
>Uh, because I'll be at Dragon*Con in Atlanta watching Spock's Beard
>instead? :)
> (Arrgh, Pain of Salvation only 4 hours away and I can't go.....)
> At least I can catch Flower Kings, too...."
If it's only 4 hours, you can always come up and watch Pain of
Salvation on Sunday. I know some other people who are intending to do just
that, so they can catch all three bands.
BTW I read on the Spock's Beard list their set at Con is only
going to be an hour long. If that's true, all things being equal, PoS
for two hours seems like the better show to catch (of course, it doesn't
hurt that I like PoS more <g>).
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From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Progday
>> <WHO: Pain of Salvation (playing their only North American appearance)>
> Not true they are playing in jersey along with Symphony X. Now thats a
> show.
No, they're not I'm afraid. If you go to the InsideOutMusic site
you can see that the only date listed for Pain of Salvation is 9/2 in
Chapel Hill. (www.insideoutmusic.com)
Also, from the Perpetual Motion board:
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Posted by JJ on August 21, 2001 at 11:21:00:
Posted from 24.169.12.27
what the fuck.....i get a response from the promotional director of IO
records today....
"Hey Jon,
Sorry for the delay. Just got back today from Baltimore, Philly and State
College. The only US date that Pain of Salvation will be playing is in
Chapel Hill, NC on September 2 at Prog Day. As of this writing, Symphony X
will still be playing the dates, though. Hope I've been of some
assistance.
Take Care,
Bob"
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The *only* show for Pain of Salvation will be at ProgDay, as I
posted. It's a shame this fact is becoming known so late in the game, as
there originally was an intention for the band to play numerous shows, but
those plans fell through. If there is still a show in New Jersey, the
label does not know about it, which would seem pretty strange :).
Again, our web-site is www.progday.com. There's only a week left,
but if you live within a few hours, or you really want to see the band
play, there's still time. Ask those who saw Pain of Salvation in Chicago
whether it's worth the cash; I'm sure to a man (or woman) they'll tell you
it is!
Regards,
Sean
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:35:07 EDT
From: AiCFAN4@aol.com
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Angularity
Message-ID: <32.19e43950.28ba9b5b@aol.com>
>>Angular in terms of note choice and the geometry of where / how he frets the
notes he's playing. Petrucci is very scalar, like a Paul Gilbert etc. He
uses a lot of patterns (not in the remedial sense of "stuck in box patterns"
etc) Vai uses more of the fretboard. His melodies don't tend to fall as
directly out of scales and arpeggio shapes. I guess I'm saying angular much
in the way the term is used to refer to Metheny or Holdsworth, though Vai's
certainly not THAT extreme. His lines aren't all as guitaristic as JP's.
In fact, the main solo on Fire Garden Suite appears to be highly influenced
by a violin solo from McLaughlin's Shakti group. I'm sorry if I'm not doing
a good job explaining this concept... it'd be easier in tab, actually, if
you are really concerned. Drop me an e-mail and I'll have a go at it.
>>
Do you mean it's more diagonal in the runs rather than just vertical and horizontal and stuff? Thanks.
GrEG:)
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:19:19 EDT
From: AiCFAN4@aol.com
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <13d.58c062.28baa5b8@aol.com>
I'm not sure how much any of you are into Shadow Gallery, but I was wondering if anyone knows if they've toured much, or if they have plans to tour to promote Legacy? Or does anyone have any boots if they have toured? I haven't heard much talk about these guys on this list, but they are by far one of my favorite prog bands. Thanks.
GreG
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:59:54 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Slippery Slopes and Homeez on Dope
Message-ID: <000c01c12e69$ad6f97a0$0b01a8c0@mindspring.com>
> From: "Ambassador Nelaskon" <moc_liam@mail.com>
> 1) Most black singers are in the R&B/rap styles.
> 2) Most R&B/rap music is very annoying to these ears.
> 3) Most of the annoying singers are black.
This is, first off, YOUR opinion. You clearly have a closed mind. To
my musician friends that are into playing funk and R&B and Jazz etc, I could
just replace some variables in your statements, and poof, most annoying
singers are white.
You can not make a case for making these statements true. Not even to
someone like me, who listens more to rock and metal than to R&B. And what's
worse, is that it's clearly an attempt to justify some racist thoughts on
your part. Your whole premise is to try to prove that most black singers
are annoying. Deny what you like but
1). This does not belong on the Ytsejam.
2). Not everyone's tastes will mirror yours.
3). People who pass off pseudo-logic like this are annoying.
Your exceptions are like a racist guy saying "There's a few good black
people." More importantly, we live in a white dominated society, and the
music industry mirrors that. For every bad black artist, I can name you 4
bad white artists.
> From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
> Subject: Re: repetition/Vai too rehearsed
> Yeah, but do comedians tell them WORD FOR WORD? Nope - they adlib at least
a
> little, even if the jokes are still the same - they have that
conversational
> quality seeing as their audience is different each night. But with Vai, he
> had the lines memorized and just said the same *exact* thing at each show
> (by the third show, I was able to say everything Vai said without a
batting
> an eyelash). Didn't even say anything like "Hello <insert city name
here>!"
> Just the same "It's a pleasure and honor to be playing for you people
> tonight". Now I'm not expecting Vai to have a conversation with the
audience
> at all, but his in-between comments could have that conversational quality
> about them.
Scott, this sounds like Petrucci worship to me. Vai put on a show AND
played great guitar. Petrucci played great guitar. In between every song,
Petrucci said "Thank you CHICAGO!" At least Vai had something to say. This
is sort of pathetic to me. Again, if you were a fan of the play Rent, and
you saw it in 3 cities, would you bitch because it was similar every night?
I deny that Vai put on the EXACT same show every night. It's not possible.
But YES, some of the stuff that he and Billy Sheehan did was choreographed,
from back in the DLR days. Petrucci was BORING on stage. It made me focus
on what his hands were doing. I liked his music, but he didn't DO anything.
You and a couple other people want to see that "stationary" prog stage
presence, fine, but you're in the minority. Vai is a showman. Vai plays to
the crowd. It is precisely like someone else said, with stand up comics.
Most do NOT ad lib much of their shows. I have seen Drew Carey, Emo, and
even George Carlin do the same set at multiple shows. The idea is that the
MUSIC setlist is the same each night for the most part, and if you've worked
out some tricks to do within those tunes, they're obviously going to show up
on multiple occasions. I could watch Vai play every night and enjoy it. At
least within the context of the songs, there is often some significant
change and experimentation.
And I love how JP said all of the stuff is new, even though you and I
know it isn't all new.
Someone else, on angular playing:
> Sometimes this approach can work (as it does for Petrucci, Meola, Morse),
> because often these lines are the ones that sound the best, and are often
> easier to swallow for non-guitarists. Sometimes this approach can
> just make you look boring and cliched.
I did a poor job with my description. I accidentally made it sound like I
thought Petrucci, Morse and DiMeola are sub par players. They're some of my
heroes. I just meant that sometimes their note choice is a bit obvious, and
easy to figure out. As a guitar nerd, that can sometimes be boring.
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:56:45 -0400
From: Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <3B89547D.D0E19995@bellatlantic.net>
Shadow Gallery has not played live so far. As far as I know plans for a
tour have not yet been communicated to me. When they do, I'll be
shouting them from the rooftops, postin them on their site and
proclaiming them to their lists. As for boots? I don't believe there
are any out there.
Glad yer diggin Shadow Gallery...I do:)
Coldfire the Gallery Mistress
Web and List Mistress for www.shadowgallery.com
"We're just going with the flow of another busy day" - Cliffhanger2-
Shadow Gallery
AiCFAN4@aol.com wrote:
>
> I'm not sure how much any of you are into Shadow Gallery, but I was wondering if anyone knows if they've toured much, or if they have plans to tour to promote Legacy? Or does anyone have any boots if they have toured? I haven't heard much talk about these guys on this list, but they are by far one of my favorite prog bands. Thanks.
>
> GreG
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:58:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010826175343.26488A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
to my knowledge, limited as it may be, i don't believe the `Gallery boys
have ever played a live show at all. maybe i'm wrong, but i believe this
to be the case. it would be wonderful if they did, but i'm not sure when
that would ever happen. 3 albums (or is it 4?) later, and still no live
shows. seems if they wanted to develop any kind of fan base outside of us
prog junkies who regularly check up on anything happening at magna carta,
they would at least play some clubs or something. not a tour mind you,
but just a couple of minor gigs to see if anything even developes. that's
not too terribly difficult to orchestrate. would give them a lot more
credibility with many on this list too. :) here's hoping.
-eric
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 AiCFAN4@aol.com wrote:
> I'm not sure how much any of you are into Shadow Gallery, but I was wondering if anyone knows if they've toured much, or if they have plans to tour to promote Legacy? Or does anyone have any boots if they have toured? I haven't heard much talk about these guys on this list, but they are by far one of my favorite prog bands. Thanks.
>
> GreG
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:45:09 -0400
From: "Joe DeAngelo" <joe.deangelo@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Pain of Salvation
Message-ID: <002d01c12e89$2469df40$d0c90741@stcl1.mi.home.com>
>>>WHO: Pain of Salvation (playing their only North American appearance)>
>Not true they are playing in jersey along with Symphony X. Now thats a
>show.
Inside Out Music has issued a statement that ProgDay will be Pain of
Salvation's ONLY U.S. appearance. I hope that's not true.... but if I
were you, I might brace for the possibility that PoS won't make it to that
SX show.
- Joe D.
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 02:04:37 +0200
From: "Mariano Gil" <marianogil@eresmas.com>
To: <blind-guardian@yahoogroups.com>,
Subject: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com
Message-ID: <002701c12e8b$de3a9e80$b40a533e@x8h1w8>
Read his message and decide whether it is:
a) cool
b) a load of crap
http://www.metallicabb.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=3Dget_topic&f=3D7&t
=3D011970&p=3D
And, yes, the correct answer is b!! ;oP
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:35:23 -0500
From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: POS
Message-ID: <B7AEFFFB.147B%mnazer@pressenter.com>
> Ask those who saw Pain of Salvation in Chicago
> whether it's worth the cash; I'm sure to a man (or woman) they'll tell you
> it is!
>
> Regards,
> Sean
I was at the Chicago show, and it was out of this world. Daniel's vocals
alone are worth it, his range of styles, and his ability to change them
incredibly fast are just amazing. The rest on the band is also great(be
sure to keep an eye on Daniel's brother, that guy knows how to have fun
playing the bass). If you can, see P of S, it's an experience like no other
band I have ever seen.
Pam
"Hi"
John Myung, 8/23/1998
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:03:07 +0200
From: "Franx '82" <franx82@box.it>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Steve's style
Message-ID: <001601c12ec6$56e5fd40$0200fea9@it>
>> Well, there's always two sides...
>>
>> On the one hand, a "music" performer usually only says
>> a few scattered things. It seems a little ridiculus
>> for them to repeat the same two short "jokes" or
>> phrases or gags every night.
>>
>> On the other hand, other live performers (comedians,
>> plays, etc.) repeat themselves night after night. It's
>> expected to be pretty much the same every time.
>>
>Yeah, but do comedians tell them WORD FOR >WORD? Nope - they adlib at least
a
>li>ttle, even if the jokes are still the same - they have that
conversational
>quality seeing as their audience is different each night. But with Vai, he
>had the lines memorized and just said the same *exact* thing at each show
>(by the third show, I was able to say everything Vai said without a batting
>an eyelash). Didn't even say anything like "Hello <insert city name here>!"
>Just the same "It's a pleasure and honor to be playing for you people
>tonight". Now I'm not expecting Vai to have a conversation with the
audience
>at all, but his in-between comments could have that conversational quality
>about them.
>
>I mean Petrucci at least made a brief joke about playing a hotel here in
San
>Diego between two of the tracks and then proceeded to introduce one of the
>songs and then the following night, he did not introduce the same track,
but
>introduced a different track. Of the three guitarists, I'd expect JP to
have
>the rigid, memorized in-between song phrases all planned out, seeing as he
>was completely out of his normal element (being a solo artist as opposed to
>being in a band). But even JP didn't do that - Vai, the professional that
he
>is, shouldn't have to either.
>
>Scott
Dear Scott , I would really like to know who are you to compare the style of
entertaining of two of the best guitar players in the world. I think the
problem is
not how much Vai talks or they way he does it or even how he moves on the
stage, the problem is that you don't understand that everyone has a
personality
and way of playing music different from the others. If you want to learn
something
about Steve's aproach to guitar/music look at the "Martian Love Secrets"
lessons
on his website. I don't think that Steve should change anything because I
like him
the way it is.
Sorry for my english
Franx
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:57:17 +0300
From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com
Message-ID: <001d01c12f86$4c374be0$64df6693@----->
-
>
>
>Read his message and decide whether it is:
>
>a) cool
>b) a load of crap
>
>http://www.metallicabb.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=3Dget_topic&f=3D7&t
>=3D011970&p=3D
>
The link doesn't work.I registered and all.Where is it?
Or copy paste it if you please
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