YTSEJAM Digest 5945
Today's Topics:
1) QR????
by "Joe Latuscha" <joseph.latuscha@maine.edu>
2) Back to the Ignorance/R&B thang/Myung/Dancin' Petrucci's.
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
3) RE: repetition/Vai too rehearsed
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
4) Re: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com
by Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
5) nice prog. music scene in the u.s.
by "michal l" <michaly2000@hotmail.com>
6) Spock's Beard Atlanta set-time
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
7) Re: Shadow Gallery
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
8) Re: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com
by "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
9) Spock's Beard: 100-min. set-time
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
10) Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com (take 2)
by "Mariano Gil" <marianogil@eresmas.com>
11) Re: Petrucci and Vai @ G3
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
12) Re: Shadow Gallery
by "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
13) RE: Shadow Gallery
by "Aris" <sithlord@hol.gr>
14) Re: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:16:17 -0400
From: "Joe Latuscha" <joseph.latuscha@maine.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: QR????
Message-ID: <002401c12efa$74e98fd0$1f546f82@majesty>
hello all,
my girlfriend and I were listening to some music, and one of the CD's in
my 5-Disk changer was Queensryche, and my girlfriend asked if there was any
meaning to the name. Honestly I don't know, but it was an intruiging
question. Anyone know???
Thanks
Joe
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:38:34 -0400
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Back to the Ignorance/R&B thang/Myung/Dancin' Petrucci's.
Message-ID: <3B8A4D53.CD5F61CB@mindspring.com>
>> Good post /Reply from Chris. Ptacek, somewhat mirrors what I posted last week ab out those rather blissfully ignorant comments. Good to see the torch of tolerance and diversity is still being carried from time to time! The continuing thread of Petrucci's neo-classical dance moving and highly choreographed, byzantinish hip hop playing
>> style (did I reverse that?) is humorous too! I think he dance skills come via the new role a father figure perhaps? Y;'know, weddings and baby shores do require exquisite dance moves... But, alas, The opinions on this board do fly about like wasp's at a Chris Holmes show, eh? Kidding, some bad puns, whatnot... But... As for John Myung,
>> being a fellow LI'er and seeing the band out at local bars/club's, etc, and having 4 of my gee-tar playing fiends taking lessons from Mr. Petrucci at a time (I was the lone hold-out, dammit!) I can say, with much rigorous faith, that Mr Myung is indeed the silent partner in DT, but nonetheless, an integral member of the band, and one
>> of the 3 founders, he's just a very quite, subdued, reflective dude I think. I gave him a copy of my new-age CD in'96 at a show in Wantagh, NY and he did say 'Thanks' witha puzzled look, but I don't think his demeanor has changed much over the years. Obviously, it's just who he is!
>>
>> Scott Mosher (Musician/graphic artist/activist/neurosurgeon/allroundniceguy.)
>> the VIRTUALITY CD: Ambient neo-progressive cyber rock.
>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mosher
>> http://www.theambientmind.com
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:42:17 -0400
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: repetition/Vai too rehearsed
Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPCEBLCAAA.hrivera@crp.org>
>Yeah, but do comedians tell them WORD FOR WORD? Nope - they adlib at least
a
>little, even if the jokes are still the same - they have that
conversational
>quality seeing as their audience is different each night.
You are making the wrong comparison here. Comedians talk for a living,
musicians play for a living. Where comedians adlib during their routines,
Vai and other musicians do so during their performance (not necessarily
while communicating with the crowd). What is so wrong about an artist that
creates a comfortable place for their performances - knowing before hand
what they're going to say and do and then make that night's changes
musically?
joe
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:26:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108271124150.17484-100000@localhost.localdomain>
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Nicholas Sakkos wrote:
> >http://www.metallicabb.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=3Dget_topic&f=3D7&t
> >=3D011970&p=3D
> The link doesn't work.I registered and all.Where is it?
> Or copy paste it if you please
I had to play with it to get it to work:
http://www.metallicabb.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&=011970
Hopefully this will work.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (craig@ic.net) http://ic.net/~craig There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- J.S. Bach------------------------------
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:53:28 +0000 From: "michal l" <michaly2000@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: nice prog. music scene in the u.s. Message-ID: <LAW2-F144ni5rWqBsJF00004a91@hotmail.com>
Hi There, my name is Michal and i'm 22 girl from israel who loves to listen to dt. in the coming year i'll be taking a break from a college for a year to come to the state. i'm looking for a place with nice prog. music scene. i got invation to come stay in Atlanta, does any of u might know how is it like there? and if not Atlanta - which other places r good? thx. Michaly. P.S.- just to make myself clear in "scene" i mean to places that u can hung out in, and the whole atmosphere in the city.
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:21:45 -0400 From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Spock's Beard Atlanta set-time Message-ID: <3B8A8FB9.1EA3@atl.mediaone.net>
> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:22:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: The Original Irish Bastard <irish_bastard@bombshelter.ca> > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: ProgDay; Dragon*Con > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10108261211280.27459-100000@bombshelter.ca> > > From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net> > Subject: ProgDay; Dragon*Con > > >> For more information, head to www.progday.com. Summer's almost > >> over, so why not end it with a long weekend of thirteen progressive music > >> acts, prog vendors (over a dozen including the Laser's Edge and > >> Syn-Phonic), outdoor fun and like-minded fans? > > >Uh, because I'll be at Dragon*Con in Atlanta watching Spock's Beard > >instead? :) > > > (Arrgh, Pain of Salvation only 4 hours away and I can't go.....) > > > At least I can catch Flower Kings, too...." > > If it's only 4 hours, you can always come up and watch Pain of > Salvation on Sunday. I know some other people who are intending to do just > that, so they can catch all three bands.
Alas, I can't. I have obligations at Dragon*Con that night; I'm a director.
> BTW I read on the Spock's Beard list their set at Con is only > going to be an hour long. If that's true, all things being equal, PoS > for two hours seems like the better show to catch (of course, it doesn't > hurt that I like PoS more <g>).
Well, Spock's Beard is headlining (i.e., playing last) in that particular ballroom, so there's theoretically no limit as to when they have to stop. The schedule says one hour because rooms and panels at the convention are normally blocked for one hour (and because I didn't catch that particular oversight when I was editing the schedule :)), but as far as I know there's no contractual limit to a one-hour set.
-- +--- Paul W. Cashman, pellaz@atl.mediaone.net ICQ 4151223 ----+ | Website: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/pellaz/ | | or www.paulcashman.com :) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:22:34 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <45E398CA91B95D11EAD30005B83989BB@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
As MP has noted, not many Magna Carta bands play live. And don't give me the "it's a lotta money" line. They could play once in a while. Ice Age and Under The Sun tour. Lazy maybe? Or scared? I really wonder about it.
Rob
---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> Sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:03:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery
to my knowledge, limited as it may be, i don't believe the `Gallery boys have ever played a live show at all. maybe i'm wrong, but i believe this to be the case. it would be wonderful if they did, but i'm not sure when that would ever happen. 3 albums (or is it 4?) later, and still no live shows. seems if they wanted to develop any kind of fan base outside of us prog junkies who regularly check up on anything happening at magna carta, they would at least play some clubs or something. not a tour mind you, but just a couple of minor gigs to see if anything even developes. that's not too terribly difficult to orchestrate. would give them a lot more credibility with many on this list too. :) here's hoping.
-eric
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 AiCFAN4@aol.com wrote:
> I'm not sure how much any of you are into Shadow Gallery, but I was wondering if anyone knows if they've toured much, or if they have plans to tour to promote Legacy? Or does anyone have any boots if they have toured? I haven't heard much talk about these guys on this list, but they are by far one of my favorite prog bands. Thanks. > > GreG >
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:34:22 +0300 From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com Message-ID: <004c01c12fce$88b02c20$64df6693@----->
>Droogies! >Lars called mY management twice today to get my HOME numbers but never ended up calling. > >What do you tnink this is about? Stay tuned! > >Mustaine Sez >GOOGDBYE DROOGGIES!
i guess this is the post you were talking about.Found it on megadeth's site. Weird,i'd read a letter on music concerned magazine from a fan about 2 months ago.The letter was about reunions and the guy said something about a Lars-Mustaine project,that someone could forsee by reading some of their recent interviews.My first reaction was "Bollocks!".What can i say...
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:13:33 -0400 From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Spock's Beard: 100-min. set-time Message-ID: <3B8AA9ED.1E5F@atl.mediaone.net>
I checked with Dragon*Con's chairman, Pat Henry, and verified that Spock's Beard will play a 100-min. set, as delineated in their contract.
:)
(Feel free to post this elsewhere, as the schedule's "1 hour" timeframe is wrong.)
-- +--- Paul W. Cashman, pellaz@atl.mediaone.net ICQ 4151223 ----+ | Website: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/pellaz/ | | or www.paulcashman.com :) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:16:13 +0200 From: "Mariano Gil" <marianogil@eresmas.com> To: "Foro Dream Theater" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com (take 2) Message-ID: <003f01c12f35$1f43e540$4c12533e@x8h1w8>
http://www.metallicabb.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=3Dget_topic&f=3D7&t =3D011970&p
"Metallibangers was what you were called back when I was in this band. I remember someone saying 'bang the head that doesn't bang' and this was our motto. Somehow we have all gotten away from this simple rebel cry.
I am here now, not to try to dissuade you from being a Metallica fan. To the contrary, I am here to say thank you for being a Metallica fan.
I am here to say that I don't condone people coming up to me and saying something negative about my former band mates either. Sure there was a time when both camps were in a cold war, but those 'times' have been over for a long time. And even though the tension is still slight, I wish only the best for Metallica.
My heartfelt best wishes go out to James. I know what he is feeling right now, and I know what people are saying. The people said it about me.
Friends, I would love to do this fantasy Metallica/Megadeth tour, but only after knowing that James is ok.
I would love to play together with James and Lars again, and have said so in interviews. Me and David Ellefson, James and Lars, doing half mega/half meta, James singing my songs and me singing his. That would be a riot. It could suck, it could be great, but I know that it would be fun for us all to get back to the day when metal was a 'way of life' and people looked to us all as their leaders.
I won't take up anymore of your time here. In closing I assure that if we catch people over at megadeth.com slagging Metallica, we try to stop it.
But as you are aware there are assholes everywhere on the Internet. I am sure there are people that come here that aren't even Metallica fans, just to post shit about them.
Not me.
I am a fan. And although I was really hurt by getting fired, I have always been a fan.
Dave Mustaine"
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:01:35 -0700 From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Petrucci and Vai @ G3 Message-ID: <B7B02D6F.2489%schansen@cts.com>
My buddy Chris stated: > Scott, this sounds like Petrucci worship to me.
Not even - yeah DT is my favorite band - I have no problem admitting that, but I don't think that I could definitively state that JP is my favorite guitarist (in all honesty, I've never given much thought as to who my favorite guitarist is).
> In between every song, > Petrucci said "Thank you CHICAGO!" At least Vai had something to say. This > is sort of pathetic to me.
Well, apparently it was Vai instead of Petrucci who had something to say in Chi-town then - at all three southern CA shows, Petrucci was a helluva lot more talkative than Vai.
> I deny that Vai put on the EXACT same show every night. It's not possible.
OK fine - Vai's performance in LA sucked compared to the first two gigs - not that he played bad that night, but he certainly was not "on" like he was the previous two nights. Other than his actual performance it was the same EXACT show - I saw three shows - how many did you see?
> But YES, some of the stuff that he and Billy Sheehan did was choreographed, > from back in the DLR days.
Completely understandable, and I totally enjoyed a good portion of it. Keep in mind, I am NOT anti-Vai - I very much am a fan of his guitar playing. He is a very unique and talented guitarist who I'm sure will continue to amaze me for as long as he plays. However, just like you have done so in the past, I am stating my opinion and what I saw
> Petrucci was BORING on stage. <snip> > I liked his music, but he didn't DO anything.
I am also more than willing to admit the Petrucci was not the most entertaining of the guitarists on that tour - I never said he was, in fact, I said something along the lines of "he didn't seem to know what to do - he was definitely out of his element".
> You and a couple other people want to see that "stationary" prog stage > presence, fine, but you're in the minority.
Wrong Chris - you ASSumed that I want to see "stationary" prog - I *never* stated that in any of my posts. At the first show I saw, I was completely blown away by Vai's playing, as well as his showmanship - the man is not human!! HOWEVER, upon seeing everything done the same to a tee, I was a bit turned off. The one thing you seem to neglect to really address was my point of spontaneity. I don't expect Vai to change his setlist, I don't expect him not to pull all the fancy tricks - what I *do* expect is that each show feel unique and fresh (if you happen to see him multiple nights), and that my friend was what was lacking when I saw him the second and third nights - it seemed as if he was on autopilot.
And remember what I said in comparing him to Rush? Rush plays the same exact setlist every night - while they are not as active on stage as Vai, they are far from "stationary" and yet seeing them multiple nights, you won't come away feeling that they are simply going thru the motions. In Vai's case, *I* certainly did.
> It is precisely like someone else said, with stand up comics. > Most do NOT ad lib much of their shows.
I agree - BUT if you go to see them at multiple shows, I'm sure you still feel that you've seen them at a different show - one night they might pick on a couple sitting in the front row - the next night they might hit on some cute chick sitting a row or two back, etc.
As they tell their jokes, they converse to a degree with the audience - they play off the audience, so that each show still feels unique, even if every single joke/story told is the same, much as many bands do (even Rush) - Vai did not (not that I expect him to have a conversation with the audience or anything, but I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at).
> At least within the context of the songs, there is often some significant > change and experimentation.
Ah, but there wasn't on this tour, or at least I certainly didn't hear any changes, save for Virgil Donati's killer drum solo.
> And I love how JP said all of the stuff is new, even though you and I > know it isn't all new.
Heh heh - yeah I know what you mean, but if you consider that Lost Without You was played *only* in Europe 6 years ago, and that it was a guitar and keyboard duet, as opposed to guitar, bass and drums, then for all intent purposes, it was a new song - at least to the American audiences listening to it (most of whom probably don't collect bootlegs). However, I do think that Petrucci could've stated that "this was a song that I had written for my wife some time ago..." or something to that effect. My only guess that he said it was new was because it was a lot easier than trying to explain it to the audience - other than that I dunno why. And you say he said everything is new? Didn't he introduce Paradigm Shift/Erotomania as something that some in the audience might recognize? That's how he more or less introduced it at each of the three shows I saw.
On a little side note - Chris, are you coming to NAMM this year?
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Franx added: > I would really like to know who are you to compare the style of > entertaining of two of the best guitar players in the world.
Just like you and everyone else on this mailing list, I am a music fan who has expressed his opinion, and nothing else - I never said I was some sort of authority or anything, nor will I ever - cuz I'm not. ;-)
> the problem is that you don't understand that everyone has a > personality and way of playing music different from the others.
Franx - you are completely missing my point - I have no problem with Vai's playing, nor his technique, nor his showing off. I just don't like the fact that having seen more than one show on the same tour, that he appears to be on autopilot (see my responses to Chris above).
> I don't think that Steve should change anything because I like him > the way it is.
That's your *opinion* and that's perfectly fine. Interestingly, there are at least a few I know who thought all the showiness of Vai's playing were all out cheese - I am not one of those people. However, I would like to Vai make each show feel unique, even if he does pull the same tricks and play the same setlist - I *don't* think that's too much to ask (which is my opinion).
Scott
PS If nothing else, I guess I won't see Vai at multiple shows in the future! :-p ;-)
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:21:14 -0400 From: "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <001001c12f57$72bc7c60$a2dbfea9@oemcomputer>
> From: Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net> > Shadow Gallery has not played live so far.
In the late 80's, I was lucky enough to be at the right place at the right time and saw them play many times in their former incarnation known as "Sorcerer". One of my most favorite local bands! That Ron guy that used to play guitar for them was great. If memory serves, Carl was a projectionist at the Boyd theater in Bethlehem at the time. :) "Osiris, god of the underworld" Heh, after all this time, I still remember that one.
-Dave from Nazareth (back then)
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:46:43 +0300 From: "Aris" <sithlord@hol.gr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <HHEJKEDMDEPFGNDLGFDDMEMKCDAA.sithlord@hol.gr>
Actually that is a half truth, at least according to www.bigbeatstudio.com :
(Referring to Joe Nevolo) "...He also recorded and performed with Adrian Dodz and he recorded and completed a European tour that included 3 countries with the highly touted band, Shadow Gallery (Magna Carta Records)."
dreamer
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:33:58 -0700 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dave Mustaine's post on Metallica.com Message-ID: <20010827203358.A46620@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
I would have less respect for Mustaine if he saddled up with that sellout.
-The Doc
Signal received 0. Nicholas Sakkos <el00144@mail.ntua.gr> said: > >Droogies! > >Lars called mY management twice today to get my HOME numbers but never > ended up calling. > > > >What do you tnink this is about? Stay tuned! > > > >Mustaine Sez > >GOOGDBYE DROOGGIES! > > > i guess this is the post you were talking about.Found it on megadeth's site. > Weird,i'd read a letter on music concerned magazine from a fan about 2 > months ago.The letter was about reunions and the guy said something about > a Lars-Mustaine project,that someone could forsee by reading some of > their recent interviews.My first reaction was "Bollocks!".What can i say... >
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