YTSEJAM Digest 6049
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Email Lists vs Web forums
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
2) Re[2]: Email Lists vs Web forums
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
3) Re: Re[2]: Email Lists vs Web forums
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
4) Barcelona tickets
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
5) RE: Email Lists vs Web forums
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
6) Re: Email Lists vs Web forums
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
7) Pre- ordering
by "Elisa Calimano" <elisa_c@MIT.EDU>
8) Re: NYC show
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
9) RE: Forums - no go
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
10) Re: Pre- ordering
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
11) Six Degrees on CDNow
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
12) RE: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!!
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
13) RE: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!!
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
14) Re[2]: Pre- ordering
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:14:10 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Email Lists vs Web forums
Message-ID: <3C174A12.E619C605@yunque.net>
> I much prefer email lists to web boards... I'd rather subscribe
> to a magazine and have it home delivered than try to remember to
> check the newstand everyday to see if the latest issue is out.
> ;-) Plus, it is way easier to setup filters in your email
> program
> than to try and comb through all the tripe that makes up most of
> the posts on boards... ;-)
Well, yes, i agree. But i never said web forums were better, i just said
that
times change, and there comes a time when you have to make a choice,
either get with the times (even if it means doing something that doesnt make
that much sense to you) or miss out on the information you want. Adaptation
is the key :) I much rather prefer the email list too, but since the jam has
been dead
for months, i started visiting the sites...thus ive been well informed of DT
news
:)
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:35:59 -0800
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: Carlos Alfaro <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Email Lists vs Web forums
Message-ID: <81921984924.20011212073559@ivorygate.com>
Wednesday, December 12, 2001, 3:18:37 AM, Carlos wrote:
CA> is the key :) I much rather prefer the email list too, but since the jam has
CA> been dead
CA> for months, i started visiting the sites...thus ive been well informed of DT
CA> news
CA> :)
Now all we need to do is get people to cross post useful/important
info to the mailing lists as well.
The other problem that I see is the number of web boards that are
out there (heck, even I have one on my site ;-), and DT has a few
(one on each of the band member's individual sites and one on
DT.net. I just think that trying to scan every web board everyday
is more time consuming that subscribing to a dozen email lists and
checking your email.
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<------------------------------
Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:40:49 +0000 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Email Lists vs Web forums Message-ID: <86y9k8v43i.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> writes:
> Now all we need to do is get people to cross post useful/important > info to the mailing lists as well.
Yes. I promise to do this from now on. :-)
> I just think that trying to scan every web board everyday is more > time consuming that subscribing to a dozen email lists and checking > your email.
Email is great. Web boards are crap.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:43:17 +0000 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Barcelona tickets Message-ID: <86u1uwv3ze.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
If anyone's considering the "special" show in Barcelona on 19th Feb, I found a site where you can order tickets:
There's a button in the top left corner to view the English version of the site. I think if you're ordering from outside Spain they won't send the tickets to you - you'll have to collect them from the venue or some other ticket office (although I'm not sure I understood this).
Are there any Spanish people on the list who could offer advice about this?
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:44:51 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Email Lists vs Web forums Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPKEGDCFAA.hrivera@crp.org>
>I just think that trying to scan every web board everyday >is more time consuming that subscribing to a dozen email lists and >checking your email.
The I recommend subscribing to the MP and DT.net newsletters:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mikeportnoynews/
http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail.htm
joe np. Steve Vai - Alive in an Ultra World
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:56:37 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Email Lists vs Web forums Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.10112121154400.1331-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> Well, yes, i agree. But i never said web forums were better, i just said > that > times change, and there comes a time when you have to make a choice, > either get with the times (even if it means doing something that doesnt make
The point is that the amount of time everyone has argued about which one is better (which is about 15 posts already), it would have been just as easy to throw a 3-line post on here (to those of us in the "dark ages") saying "Hey DT is doin' a show in NYC...here's a link to the information"
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:57:38 -0500 From: "Elisa Calimano" <elisa_c@MIT.EDU> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pre- ordering Message-ID: <IPEFJNDOEGIINJHEGHEECEEBCFAA.elisa_c@mit.edu>
Hi all! I was just wondering if there is any benefit at all in pre-ordering 6DoIT? Does it arrive before normal releases? Or is it just better to wait for it to get to stores and buy it there? Is it that they actually sell out?
Elisa
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:06:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: NYC show Message-ID: <20011212180619.79925.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com>
>Even though i love the email list format, times ARE >changing and web-forums have become more >prolific, ..Sometimes, even if we hate it, we have >to get with the times :) >-Carlos
*thinking* Nah. :) I'll just continue to live under a rock. Seriously, I know I am not the only one who does not enjoy the web forum format.. as some replies in the same digest as your message made clear. It may be useless complaining, but I just felt the need to air out my issues with it.
>Well, as I said before, I got the information about >the show on the DT site's mailing list, and I know it >was on the news page there previous >- Chris
Sounds like I need to sign up for the DT site newsletter. What is the volume of mail on that one? My inbox is hurting, currently, so I just want to be careful. I don't visit webpages on a daily basis, except for yahoo and espn... too many things I'd ideally like to keep track of to practically do it that often.
>I read about the warm-up shows either here on the >official DT list, or the Symphony X mailing list.. >I read about them ahead of time. > JM
Hey, I'm on both these lists, and I did *not* read about them ahead of time.. just after tickets already were gone, since someone forwarded the notice to me from the website. Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis?
Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>: >I much prefer email lists to web boards... I'd >rather subscribe to a magazine and have it home >delivered than try to remember to check the >newstand everyday to see if the latest issue is out. > ;)
That sums up my position as well, thanks for supplying the words!
Alex
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:07:56 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Forums - no go Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A607CC4@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
I've been on the Ytsejam since digest # 700 back in '94 and Web-Forums might be a "happening thing", but not for this camper.
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos A. Alfaro [SMTP:calfaro@yunque.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: NYC show > > > > > > And, for those of you just saying to suck it up and > > start visiting the forum, where the information is > > available, were you around here in this list's heyday? > > I know some of you were. I don't see why that has to > > change. And I hate web forums > > > > Well, ive been here since about > before ACOS was released. Even though i love > the email list format, times ARE changing and web-forums > have become more prolific, proof stands on how this > list is nearly dead and the web forums are jumping. > Sometimes, even if we hate it, we have to get with the times :) > > -Carlos > >
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Date: 12 Dec 2001 18:18:32 +0000 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pre- ordering Message-ID: <864rmwuwsn.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
"Elisa Calimano" <elisa_c@MIT.EDU> writes:
> I was just wondering if there is any benefit at all in pre-ordering > 6DoIT? Does it arrive before normal releases? Or is it just better > to wait for it to get to stores and buy it there? Is it that they > actually sell out?
If you pre-order it, it will be delivered to your door by your nice friendly postman, which means you don't have to venture outside in the January weather. :-)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: 12 Dec 2001 19:38:13 +0000 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Six Degrees on CDNow Message-ID: <86y9k8teje.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
Six Degrees can now be preordered from <http://www.cdnow.com/>. Let's push it up to number 1 on their chart! We *almost* did it with Live Scenes...
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:42:32 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A607CE9@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Ohhhh I'm sorry Mr. Hampton, please be sure to play again :)
heh heh
JM
np: 6DoIT CD2
> -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt M Hampton [SMTP:kurt.hampton@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!! > > www.painofsalvation.com > > sign up for the newsletter and get the password, Im thinking this release > is gonna smoke the DT one (sorry) > > Kurt > > Kurts Trade Page: > www.geocities.com/kurt_labrie/Startpage.html > Ytsekurt on AOL IM > "Cmon Orlando Shake your f*ckin booty" James Labrie 3/3/00
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:50:10 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A607CEC@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
Wait till you hear both CDs... The new DT is some of their best work yet!
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: HJ Rivera [SMTP:hrivera@crp.org] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:00 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!! > > >Im thinking this release > >is gonna smoke the DT one (sorry) > > Not unless they got a new singer and developed some melodic music this > time > ;) > > joe
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:39:12 -0800 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: Graham Borland <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re[2]: Pre- ordering Message-ID: <26972577051.20011212213912@ivorygate.com>
Wednesday, December 12, 2001, 10:34:43 AM, Graham wrote: GB> If you pre-order it, it will be delivered to your door by your nice GB> friendly postman, which means you don't have to venture outside in the GB> January weather. :-) Thank goodness... that 70 degree weather in January is just a bit chilly... ;-) (Rubbing it in from San Diego, CA) -- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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