YTSEJAM Digest 5768
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5766
by "Janne Lunnas" <janne_lunnas@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
2) RE: Annual Fan Club CD Bitching
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
3) Re: Australia
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
4) Re: Australia
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
5) Re: Australia
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
6) Freak Kitchen
by Kevin Rios <wilsoncat@yahoo.com>
7) Re: Kev Moore on bass...
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
8) Re: Jens and napster
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
9) bonus cd/ rent 2cd
by "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com>
10) Napstah! Buh-bye!
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
11) Re: bonus cd/ rent 2cd
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5767
by Superior - Bernd Basmer <bernd@meet-superior.de>
13) RE: Napstah! Buh-bye!
by Coldfire The Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
14) AudioGalaxy
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
15) RE: Napstah! Buh-bye!
by David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com>
16) breath of fresh air.......
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
17) Napster
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
18) cd's for sale (no DT)
by "Sarah Hallum (nee Fontes)" <sarbah@subtlerage.com>
19) Re: Napstah! Buh-bye!
by "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
20) RE: Napstah! Buh-bye!
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
21) re: Kitchen Freaks
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:12:13 +0200
From: "Janne Lunnas" <janne_lunnas@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5766
Message-ID: <F529329093205D11EA420005B87A5027@janne_lunnas.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:09:55 +0100
Charlie Farrell wrote:
> I don't know if the 'Theater of Dreams' Fanzine is affected by
The new "Theater Of Dreams" fanzine has been collecting dust for
There has been talk of sending out an official statement from the
For what it's worth, Marillion's Christmas CD was delayed also...
The difference is that Marillion themselves are in charge of
Mark Bredius
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Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:24:18 +0000
Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> writes:
> The are couple of very good metal shops to spend your cash, in
I'll bear that in mind. Cheers. :-)
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Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:25:03 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Australia
Message-ID: <86lmr9wixs.fsf@picsel.com>
Brian Kirk <bkirk@dendrite.net> writes:
> Anyone else starting to feel like they're watching a Python skit?
>
> Brian "Mind if we call you 'Graham'? It's less confusing." Kirk
No, Graham and I are much funnier.
--
Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd
graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:26:32 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Australia
Message-ID: <86hf1xwivb.fsf@picsel.com>
"Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> writes:
> As summer ends here in Oz so to do the festivals. Not that there
> were really many heavy bands here this year for those anyway. Deep
> Purple will be here in March followed by Kiss in April. There are
> also rumours of Tool, Dio, Slash, Bon Jovi, Creed, Devin Townsend
I would love to see Devin Townsend...
> Vanishing Point, Pegazus, Mortification and heaps of others. Look
> out for Krane also! (hehehe... had to get that plug in there!)
> ;)
.. and Vanishing Point. Where can I find out more about live shows in
Oz?
--
Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd
graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:02:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Rios <wilsoncat@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Freak Kitchen
Message-ID: <20010214130227.7827.qmail@web3303.mail.yahoo.com>
WOW! I would like to extend a big Thank You to the
individual who brought these guys up. I now have a
new favorite band. The only disc I have not heard so
far is the newest.
Also, I would HIGHLY suggest picking up their 3rd
self-titled release (or "Bull" is it?). That one is
definately my fav so far. Someone said that it wasn't
one to start off with, but I think it holds it's own
just fine. Excellent melodies and guitar work.
Once again, THANK YOU!
WilsonCat
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:20:13 -0800
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Kev Moore on bass...
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010214071610.00a32990@mail.phoenixdsl.com>
Gotta read those liner notes...
DAFR: Joey Vera bass (on 3,4,5) & Moore
This Is A Recording: Kevin Moore - Vocals, Keyboards, Bass
You Go Now: Kevin Moore - Vocals, Keyboards, Bass
and I had heard some time ago from a good source that Kev does indeed have
a bass guitar lying around. ;-)
~Mike
At 07:47 AM 2/13/01 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm pretty sure Kev didn't play any bass on that album. Or any real bass,
>anyway. It was Joey Vera of Fates Warning who was the bassist on Dead Air
>for Radios. Joey Vera's and Mark Zonder's playing on the album was one of
>the things I loved (and still love) on it. =)
>
>-WT-
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>]From: "Michael Kizer" <mike@ivorygate.com>
> > I am pretty sure that Kev played a "real" bass on the album, not just bass
> > lines via keyboard.
> > At 10:30 AM 2/12/01 -0800, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
> > >yeah but im pretty sure he used keyboards for it :)
> > >Oddvar Lovaas wrote:
> > > > didn't kev do the basses himself on DAFR?
~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 >
"Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com
>>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<<
>>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
>>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:36:19 -0800
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Jens and napster
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010214072631.027ab410@mail.phoenixdsl.com>
At 09:31 PM 2/13/01 -0800, you wrote:
>And I wonder how many new fans Stratovarious has due to the availability of
>mp3's on Napster!!
>I for one have discovered a heap of bands that I otherwise would not have
>had the chance to hear.
But how did you know what band to search for on Napster? If
someone told you the name of the band to check out, why wouldn't it be just
as easy to go to that band's website and download the MP3 songs and/or
samples that the artist themselves have placed there (and bands that aren't
already doing this need to get with the program). Then once you hear a few
tracks or whatever the artist wants to put on their website (hell, many
might put the whole album up if _they choose to_) you can buy the album.
>Jens I'm sure that there are alot more people in the world that are now
>tuned in to your music thanks to those evil mp3's!
I doubt that Jens thinks MP3s are evil, but rather the wholesale
facilitation-of-mass-distribution that Napster provides.
>It's funny how Napster has over 500 million users yet the sales of cd's
>worldwide has risen 6% in the last year!!
>*things that make you go "hmmmmmm"*
But who says that those sales figures wouldn't be at least that
high if Napster never existed? There is no way of telling what Napster's
impact was on record sales (and I have spoken to many people who no longer
buy ANY CDs at all because they can just download the songs and burn their
own CDs). Also, I found it interesting that Napster, Inc. stated that if
they started charging a measly $4.95 for their service, they expect the 50
million users they now have on the free system to drop to about 20,000
(that's a lot of cheap skates!) ;-)
~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 >
"Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com
>>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<<
>>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
>>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:23:43 -0800
From: "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: bonus cd/ rent 2cd
Message-ID: <002101c096a2$808397f0$574b010a@winstar.com>
>> In all fairness, I think a lot of people signed up only for that
>> "bonus". I'm not sure what the details are, but isn't it supposed to be
>> included in the price?
>Then a lot of people signed up for the wrong reason, unless one of the fan
>clubs used it as a selling point to signing up.
The cd is the only reason I am a member. All the info in the mags is
horrible dated by the time you get it (no offense to the publishers)
thanks to this list and the DT website. I have a feeling membership
will go way down, once the bonus cds stop.
> I was going to buy the Rent 2 disc soundtrack for my girl for
>V-Day, but the only place that had it was Camelot for a price of $48.
Damn, you got a computer, use it!!
Used:
Ebay $15-$24
Spun $15.49
Half $17-$26
New:
VHQmusic $20
Djanjos $23
playcentric $20
or there's always napster.... :)
Trevor
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:50:55 -0600
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Napstah! Buh-bye!
Message-ID: <008201c096ae$af1d9000$80b0fea9@madstation>
> From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Napster woes
Wow. Denial is a powerful thing. You made some good points (cd costs,
etc) which most musicians are pissed about as well... but half of what you
said can ONLY be described as pure rubbish.
> good if you want a couple of hit songs from a band. Most people don't
keep
> whole albums in their library. It is also a pain to download full CDs.
You are the FIRST person I've met who used Napster and didn't go for
full albums. You're ALSO the ONLY person I've ever heard complain about the
inconvenience of DLing music for free, from your chair instead of going out
and buying it. "Oh no, I have to go to a web page and keep track of what
I'm going to steal! This sucks." Pardon me if I fail to shed any tears.
> Anyway, I - apparently unlike anyone else on the jam, am not made of
> $money$.
Well, you don't seem to SPEND your money on music, so I'd have to be
left with the conclusion that you have plenty of it lying around.
> I don't have foreign contacts, and if some band from podunk Thailand or
> wherever is worried about a couple(hundred) people downloading their album
> overseas, then they should release it domestically.
Should and could are different things. Do you honestly believe that
there are many musicians in the world who DON'T want their music released in
the US? Do you know ANYTHING about the process of recording and releasing
music? Do you know anything about record contracts and distribution?
> And don't give me the band makes money in there somewhere thing. Crap.
> Total crap. I've read many times that a band makes little to nothing on
CD
> sales, they all make it on touring, and merchandising. Stuff the record
> company doesn't control.
Total denial. You have musicians on this list who have said in numerous
posts that they get paid for the cds people buy. I know a few independent
artists who make half of every cd sold, after they recoup production costs.
You aren't making an argument. You're putting up a wall to shield yourself
from having to acknowledge that you don't care about supporting music... you
only care about yourself. You wouldn't even spend money on your GF...
hehehe you sound like a cheap-ass.
> Lets try something. The way sales should be done is like this $1-$2 for
> manufacturing. $5 for the record company, and $5 for the band. A CD
should
> be no more than $12. When I walk into Camelot or Sam Goody and see a
SINGLE
> CD for $17.99 or $18.99 I just laugh.
This is PURE GENIUS! Why didn't I THINK OF THIS! $5 for the label...
$5 for the artist, and $1-2 for costs... awesome! I think this is going to
work perfectly, with all of the not-for-profit record stores out there, and
the benevolent and philanthropic distributers out there. Dude, you
shouldn't have brought this idea up on a public forum... someone is BOUND to
steal it and revolutionize the industry.
You don't have to pay $17.99 for a cd. When you see a price like that,
turn your back on the establishment that's selling it to you. Most shops
pay $7-12 per cd, depending on the artist/label/availability etc. You can
find any domestic release for $14 or so, and you can find most european
imports for $15-17. Maybe you're just not willing to try.
> Maybe that is why a Disc Jockey, Camelot, NRM, and HMV(I think that's what
> it was) all closed near me in the past couple of years.
Actually, that's probably a result of Best Buy, who used to sell cds at
low prices, until the competition was beaten down, and now they suck just as
bad as everyone else.
> In conclusion:
> Napster to me was not about getting free music. It was about sticking it
to
> the record companies, telling them we aren't going to take it anymore.
Here
> let me put the lube on for them.
YEAH! STICK IT TO THE MAN! YOUR VOICE IS HEARD! YOU'RE MAKING YOUR
DENT! Way to go. I'm proud of you. You're full of shit.
> From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Jens and napster
>
> And I wonder how many new fans Stratovarious has due to the availability
of
> mp3's on Napster!!
> I for one have discovered a heap of bands that I otherwise would not have
> had the chance to hear.
Why can't you let the bands decide if they want their music available
for free? Why do you have to take that initiative yourself, and why do you
assume that you have that right, and that it's just fine and dandy? Don't
get me wrong, I agree, MP3s can help bands. And I think it rules that you
buy what you DL (no sarcasm) but why is that a justification for copyright
violation/piracy? Isn't there any alternative? I know I remember a day
when we would dl small wav files or ra clips, or even a rare MP3 or 2 from a
web site, that we would use to sample a band. I know that was enough for me
to buy albums. Maybe I'm wacky, but I don't think people need to DL full
albums of cd quality music to decide whether or not they want to support a
band that they think rocks.
> It's funny how Napster has over 500 million users yet the sales of cd's
> worldwide has risen 6% in the last year!!
> *things that make you go "hmmmmmm"*
I challenge you to show how the two are statistically or factually
related. I would like to know how that's related to Napster and not a
booming economy. It's a point that so many Napster users love to dangle and
prance about, but I have yet to see the two points linked.
- Chris
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:01:16 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: bonus cd/ rent 2cd
Message-ID: <3A8AC7EB.8EB7F210@optushome.com.au>
Trevor Hoit wrote:
> The cd is the only reason I am a member. All the info in the mags is
> horrible dated by the time you get it (no offense to the publishers)
> thanks to this list and the DT website. I have a feeling membership
> will go way down, once the bonus cds stop.
What most of you are forgetting, is tha not all members of the DTIFC have
computers and internet access, so the magazine is there only source of information. on DT.
graham
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:23:03 +0100
From: Superior - Bernd Basmer <bernd@meet-superior.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5767
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010214192135.00a4abe0@pop.btx.dtag.de>
Hi!
Charlie wrote:
>yeah, but the last one I received was mid-september 2000.
>guess you've been otherwise occupied :-))
Heh, yeah... I know. But I haven't been lazy for sure. :)
The next one will be out tomorrow.
Greetings
Bernd
--------------------------------------------------------------
Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For info about Superior look at http://www.meet-superior.de/
--------------------------------------------------------------
It's hard to be religious when certain people are
never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:32:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Coldfire The Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Napstah! Buh-bye!
Message-ID: <385203842.982175569943.JavaMail.root@web431-wrb>
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jam
He's baaaaaaaack!
Welcome back Mads...long time no post.
Coldie
------Original Message------
]From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: February 14, 2001 5:55:26 PM GMT
Subject: Napstah! Buh-bye!
> From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Napster woes
Wow. Denial is a powerful thing. You made some good points (cd costs,
etc) which most musicians are pissed about as well... but half of what you
said can ONLY be described as pure rubbish.
> good if you want a couple of hit songs from a band. Most people don't
keep
> whole albums in their library. It is also a pain to download full CDs.
You are the FIRST person I've met who used Napster and didn't go for
full albums. You're ALSO the ONLY person I've ever heard complain about the
inconvenience of DLing music for free, from your chair instead of going out
and buying it. "Oh no, I have to go to a web page and keep track of what
I'm going to steal! This sucks." Pardon me if I fail to shed any tears.
> Anyway, I - apparently unlike anyone else on the jam, am not made of
> $money$.
Well, you don't seem to SPEND your money on music, so I'd have to be
left with the conclusion that you have plenty of it lying around.
> I don't have foreign contacts, and if some band from podunk Thailand or
> wherever is worried about a couple(hundred) people downloading their album
> overseas, then they should release it domestically.
Should and could are different things. Do you honestly believe that
there are many musicians in the world who DON'T want their music released in
the US? Do you know ANYTHING about the process of recording and releasing
music? Do you know anything about record contracts and distribution?
> And don't give me the band makes money in there somewhere thing. Crap.
> Total crap. I've read many times that a band makes little to nothing on
CD
> sales, they all make it on touring, and merchandising. Stuff the record
> company doesn't control.
Total denial. You have musicians on this list who have said in numerous
posts that they get paid for the cds people buy. I know a few independent
artists who make half of every cd sold, after they recoup production costs.
You aren't making an argument. You're putting up a wall to shield yourself
from having to acknowledge that you don't care about supporting music... you
only care about yourself. You wouldn't even spend money on your GF...
hehehe you sound like a cheap-ass.
> Lets try something. The way sales should be done is like this $1-$2 for
> manufacturing. $5 for the record company, and $5 for the band. A CD
should
> be no more than $12. When I walk into Camelot or Sam Goody and see a
SINGLE
> CD for $17.99 or $18.99 I just laugh.
This is PURE GENIUS! Why didn't I THINK OF THIS! $5 for the label...
$5 for the artist, and $1-2 for costs... awesome! I think this is going to
work perfectly, with all of the not-for-profit record stores out there, and
the benevolent and philanthropic distributers out there. Dude, you
shouldn't have brought this idea up on a public forum... someone is BOUND to
steal it and revolutionize the industry.
You don't have to pay $17.99 for a cd. When you see a price like that,
turn your back on the establishment that's selling it to you. Most shops
pay $7-12 per cd, depending on the artist/label/availability etc. You can
find any domestic release for $14 or so, and you can find most european
imports for $15-17. Maybe you're just not willing to try.
> Maybe that is why a Disc Jockey, Camelot, NRM, and HMV(I think that's what
> it was) all closed near me in the past couple of years.
Actually, that's probably a result of Best Buy, who used to sell cds at
low prices, until the competition was beaten down, and now they suck just as
bad as everyone else.
> In conclusion:
> Napster to me was not about getting free music. It was about sticking it
to
> the record companies, telling them we aren't going to take it anymore.
Here
> let me put the lube on for them.
YEAH! STICK IT TO THE MAN! YOUR VOICE IS HEARD! YOU'RE MAKING YOUR
DENT! Way to go. I'm proud of you. You're full of shit.
> From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Jens and napster
>
> And I wonder how many new fans Stratovarious has due to the availability
of
> mp3's on Napster!!
> I for one have discovered a heap of bands that I otherwise would not have
> had the chance to hear.
Why can't you let the bands decide if they want their music available
for free? Why do you have to take that initiative yourself, and why do you
assume that you have that right, and that it's just fine and dandy? Don't
get me wrong, I agree, MP3s can help bands. And I think it rules that you
buy what you DL (no sarcasm) but why is that a justification for copyright
violation/piracy? Isn't there any alternative? I know I remember a day
when we would dl small wav files or ra clips, or even a rare MP3 or 2 from a
web site, that we would use to sample a band. I know that was enough for me
to buy albums. Maybe I'm wacky, but I don't think people need to DL full
albums of cd quality music to decide whether or not they want to support a
band that they think rocks.
> It's funny how Napster has over 500 million users yet the sales of cd's
> worldwide has risen 6% in the last year!!
> *things that make you go "hmmmmmm"*
I challenge you to show how the two are statistically or factually
related. I would like to know how that's related to Napster and not a
booming economy. It's a point that so many Napster users love to dangle and
prance about, but I have yet to see the two points linked.
- Chris
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:50:50 -0600
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: <jmsouter@airmail.net>
Subject: AudioGalaxy
Message-ID: <001d01c096c7$d0389000$0238240a@airmail.net>
I've got to pass the word about AudioGalaxy being a fine replacement for
file-sharing software. It's actually web-based for file lookups and
automatically chooses the best bandwidth path from you to grab your files.
It has auto-resume, and it will queue files you are searching for even if
those files aren't "online" at the time. It will keep them queued until
someone with those files comes online. Very nice interface. Check it out.
www.AudioGalaxy.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:30:15 -0700
From: David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Napstah! Buh-bye!
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E6175206734582@MESSAGING>
First off, Ptacek - great post.
Second - I also don't see why you have to have an entire album DL'd to
sample a band. I probably couldn't count with 10 people's fingers and toes
the bands whose albums I have purchased solely because of a low-quality,
partial-song MP3 or two. Spock's Beard, Symphony X, Ayreon, Freak Kitchen,
Gordian Knot, Sean Malone, Michael Manring, Tony Levin, and Shadow Gallery
are just a few of them. And I was a part-time-working high school student at
the time. Let's face it - music (listening AND performing) is an EXPENSIVE
hobby. It's all a matter of priorities. I don't find myself spending so
much money on albums these days - I'm getting married, entering a new
apartment lease, gotta fix my car, gotta buy furniture, etc. But I don't
spend my days cruising Napster DL'ing full albums because I can't afford to
buy the damn things. If you have to spend the money on life essentials
(food, cars, and houses, etc.), and can't afford to buy CD's, don't rip off
the artist and the record company by circumventing the system. Not cool.
-Dixon
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:27:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: breath of fresh air.......
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010214172626.16884A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
aaahhhhhhh, that was wonderful. ptacek, thank you for returning to grace
the jam with what it has desperately needed for a while: an inteligent
arguement. it felt damn good.
-ryften
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:24:50 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Napster
Message-ID: <3A8AA342.E6C7D1D6@mol.com.mk>
> Freak Kitchen is a band who really supports Napster
You see? ;oP
> From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
>
> Napster sucks. I do use it but really, it does suck. It is
> only good if you want a couple of hit songs from a band.
LOL, you gotta be kidding right?
Then how come I got all Flower Kings albums, all Freak Kitchen ones etc
etc etc. :)
Naturally, it's still possible to improve Napster's way of work.
For everything else you said, I'm up with you Chris. :)
> Napster to me was not about getting free music.
For me it is/was discovering new music, getting rare stuff and some
songs that I would never buy the WHOLE album.
Examples like:
Tina Turner - Addicted To Love [live]
Twin Peaks - Laura Palmer's Theme
Eric Clapton & Lenny Kravitz - All Along The Watchtower
etc.
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:14:32 -0800 (PST)
From: "Sarah Hallum (nee Fontes)" <sarbah@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: cd's for sale (no DT)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102141811100.27240-100000@kau.dreamhost.com>
Okay,
Well, Jeremy and I are moving in just about 6 weeks time, and finally
realized we *need* to get rid of some of our cd's (doubles, bad choices,
what not), so I'm spamming you all:
http://www.subtlerage.com/sarah/cdsale.txt
If you see something you want, please let us know, and we'll work out
pricing and trades... (mostly, we just want them gone!)
Thanks!
Sarah,
who never posts on topic
sarah@subtlerage.com sarah@dreamt.org
http://www.subtlerage.com/sarah
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:33:11 -0400
From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Napstah! Buh-bye!
Message-ID: <OE4108Oh1pMuBeZVo2d00005e6a@hotmail.com>
Are we gonna start the napster thing all over again? *sigh*
We all love music. Some can afford to buy cds, some can't. It's as simple as
that.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Andre Navarro
"Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:32:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Napstah! Buh-bye!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102142231500.94098-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Coldfire The Gallery Mistress wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jam
>
> He's baaaaaaaack!
>
> Welcome back Mads...long time no post.
>
> Coldie
Yeah, I was rather happy to see Ptacek writing in again. I wonder if,
like Al, he's just been sitting back and reading the jam and laughing his
ass off at all the crap that's been going on. :)
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
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"I love California. I practically grew up in
Phoenix."
- Dan Quayle
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:53:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Kitchen Freaks
Message-ID: <20010215045326.60175.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com>
Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org> wrote about
Freak Kitchen:
> Good music. Reminds me of the early Galactic
Cowboys
> stuff. Too bad about the lyrics.
Agreed. Music good, good vocals, lyrics lacking.
> Is it just me or is anybody else tired of the
complete lack of subtlety
> in "social commentary" lyrics? I've had enough of
"World BAD! Angst
> GOOD!" to last me a lifetime.
Disagreements with the political content of the lyrics
aside, they also suffer a bit from the Yngwie school
of "not quite proper" English at times. Only an issue
if you're a picky bastard. ;o)
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: Thu Apr 01 2004 - 19:10:52 EST
<BR>
>>Wait a second here. You're bitching about something<BR>
>>that you get as a BONUS?<BR>
<BR>
>In all fairness, I think a lot of people signed up only for that<BR>
>"bonus". I'm not sure what the details are, but isn't it supposed to be<BR>
>included in the price? If they don't intend to release it at christmas<BR>
>time, I don't think it's a big deal, but stop calling it a christmas CD.<BR>
>it's screwin' with people's expectations.<BR>
<BR>
> josh<BR>
<BR>
You're right man! I totally don't have that kind of money to buy just a couple of little <BR>
magazines, that CD is the biggest reason to sign in for me..<BR>
<BR>
Janne<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</TT><br><br><font><p align=left><TT>"If I die tomorrow<BR>
I'd be all right<BR>
Because I believe<BR>
That after we're gone<BR>
The spirit carries on"<BR>
<BR>
Dream Theater: The Spirit Carries On </TT><br>Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/
From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Annual Fan Club CD Bitching
Message-ID: <001101c0967f$0ae581c0$0100007f@localhost>
> the same problem, however, it does surprise me that no one has
> put out a message (via Itchy's news list or whatever) to calm
> peoples worries.
five or six weeks now... The cover specifically mentions that it
includes the CD, so the fanzine can't be sent out without it...
fanclubs about the delay, but I haven't received anything yet...
Once I do, it'll be posted on dreamtheater.net, the newsletter
and of course the DTIFC site...
I received mine in the mail yesterday...
putting together the CD's... As a result, the fans are less
likely to complain about the delay... "They must be busy
working on the new album"... Know what I mean?...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.TRANSATLANTICweb.com/ Double Live Album out in March
New *Exclusive* MP3 available at: http://www.PorcupineTree.com/
http://www.DreamTheater.net/ Live DVD/VHS out on March 20, 2001
The Official Spock's Beard Website: http://www.SpocksBeard.com/
http://www.HappyCoupons.com/ Coupons for your favourite stores
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Australia
Message-ID: <86puglwiz1.fsf@picsel.com>
> Sydney and Melbourne. If you do come to Sydney I'd glady show you
> around and have a beer or 2 with you.
--
Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd
graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland