YTSEJAM Digest 5741
Today's Topics:
1) Fruity Loops
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
2) New Address
by "tchetelat@computim.com" <tchetelat@computim.com>
3) Car shopping? Use us to find the lowest price.
by lance12@linkusnow.net
4) Sherinian with Toto and Ibanez/Korn
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
5) Mortgage Loans Made Very Easy...
by estlu@newsalesjob.net
6) Re: GnR
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
7) Unsubbing ...
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
8) DT Samples Legal Issues
by Matt Lee <matthewlee@students.wisc.edu>
9) High speed bootleg trading, anyone?
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5740
by mildew@ucla.edu
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5740
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
12) Audio experts: (especially Denon experts)
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
13) Re: DT Samples Legal Issues
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
14) Alice In Chains....
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:50:50 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Fruity Loops
Message-ID: <3A6997BA.49473C35@mol.com.mk>
Render WAV or Export as MIDI options on my Fruity Loops doesn't work,
can that be if it's some unregistered or demo version?
Anyone knows some free version of Fruity Loops?
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 06:05:55 -0800
From: "tchetelat@computim.com" <tchetelat@computim.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: New Address
Message-ID: <wcy6o3sawvnuv51.200120010605@www>
My new address is tchetelat@Computim.com.
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:20:06 -0500
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Subject: Car shopping? Use us to find the lowest price.
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Date: 20 Jan 2001 14:58:01 -0000
From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Sherinian with Toto and Ibanez/Korn
Message-ID: <20010120145801.2103.qmail@ninelives.chek.com>
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 04:43:13 -0800 (PST) ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
>From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Hagstr=F6m?= <mikael.hagstrom@bracke.mail.telia.com>
>Subject: RE: New Derek Sherinian??
>> >been doing a new album with Steve Lukather and Simon Phillips. Is=20
>>=20
>> With a line-up like that, too bad they chose to play with derek. =3D)
>
>Simon Phillips is playing on it as well as producing it.
>He brought in =
>Steve Lukather to play on a couple of songs. It can
>sound most certainly sound awesome!!
>I actually dig about four songs on the Planet X Universe
I really hated the "Universe" disk; but the Sherinian "Planet X" disk is pretty good. It sounds rather laboured in many ways, and I'll grant you that there's as much bad as good, but "Brunei Babylon", "Crab Nebulae" and (I think, I forget the titles) "Money Shot" are absolutely excellent. I'm hoping that the Toto gang will be helping out with the songwriting; Toto are one of my favourite bands (OK, feel free to shoot me now), and I think they could bring a nice feel to Derek's stuff.
>From: mildew@ucla.edu
>Subject: Ibanez artists
>
>> who are Ibanez stuck with? Satch, Paul Gilbert, the
>>guys from System of a Down and Vai
>
>Don't forget Korn ;P
Well, I guess it'll shift them plenty of units, which is really all Ibanez care about. They're perfectly adequate guitars; I have one of their products, and it's fine. I've played a £2000 Universe, it was great. Then I played a Jackson Dinky and an Ernie Ball "Luke", and realised hat it's nice if the guitar company gives a shit about the quality of the product, not just how many it sells. Of course, that's a criticism equally valid of Korn too!
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:18:26 -0600
From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytse Jam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: GnR
Message-ID: <B68F40A2.1256%jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
The drummer is Brain, Primus' second drummer, not Herb. I saw some footage
of GnR at the rock in rio festival, and it's really weird watching
Buckethead play normal rock, rather than his usual whacked-out music. He
still does the robot (that crazy dance style from the 80's) while he plays,
though. I can't wait to see them!
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:21:15 -0500
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Unsubbing ...
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010120141330.009ebc90@mail.ptd.net>
Hey all,
I will be unsubscribing from the jam for a few months in order to spend
more time on important things like schoolwork and guitar studies. In fact
I will probably not be online at all more than once every week or two, and
when I am on I probably won't have time to read through a bunch of
jams. Just thought I would drop a note before I left to say "it's been
real!" and I will miss some of the more amusing and/or informative
posts. Peace!
Brian
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:48:39 -0600
From: Matt Lee <matthewlee@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT Samples Legal Issues
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010120144339.02cb5280@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Hi, thought I'd de-lurk for a moment for a fairly serious question I have,
which seems very relevant since it's something I'm trying to do, inspired
by (read: ripped off from) DT.
I was wondering, when DT has used samples of actors voices from movies on
Awake, ACoS, etc, did they have to go through any legal process to get
them? That is, did they have to get permission from the actors to use their
voice, or, if the rights to the voice by the actor being in the movie are
given to the film studio, did they have to get permission to use an audio
sample from the movie? I didn't see any indication in the liner notes that
I remember that the clips were "courtesy of" anyone or anything, and even
if DT simply ignored any possible copyright issues, they certainly (to my
knowledge) haven't had any legal action taken against them. I'm thinking of
doing something similar in a song of mine, and I just want to make sure,
before I put a sample in and send it out in mp3 format all over the net,
that I don't get packs of bloodthirsty lawyers knocking at my door (or
email) the next day. :)
Thanks,
Matt Lee
matthewlee@students.wisc.edu
http://mattlee.pair.com/
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:11:41 -0500
From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: High speed bootleg trading, anyone?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010120155531.00ae7f68@pop.mindspring.com>
Hey folks..
I recently had my car stereo and just over 400 CDs stolen, including a heap
of bootlegs. I'm looking for a few people who would like to do some
high-speed boot trading over the Internet. Obviously I'm not talking about
MP3s here. I'm planning to use Shorten ("SHN" format) which compresses WAV
files about 2:1, but loses absolutely no quality. Phish, Grateful Dead,
and Widespread Panic traders all use this format and it's excellent. Of
course, one needs a high-speed Internet connection to do this since a
single 2-disc show is several hundred megabytes.
If anyone is interested in this and has a dsl/cable/T-1/etc connection,
please email me privately (I don't have time to read the 'Jam,
unfortunately). Basically, we'd decide what to trade, rip the CDs to WAV
format and compress them to SHN (just like ZIPing a file). I've got an FTP
server up and we'd just transfer like crazy both ways overnight (or over a
few nights). My SDSL connection gets about 45-50k/sec both ways. I'm
looking for someone with at least 30k/sec both ways.
My bootleg list is in the webpage below, but I haven't updated it to
reflect the lost discs yet. I've got most of my recent stuff (M2000 tour)
and some older stuff, but most of my older stuff was lost. So anything
someone might want I'll have to look for. I'm also looking to get some
bands other than DT (Savatage, S-X, and some more mainstream stuff), so
send over a list with your email.
Let me know, and take care...
Adam
_________________________________________________
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^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:16:09 -0800
From: mildew@ucla.edu
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5740
Message-ID: <200101202115.NAA27641@panther.noc.ucla.edu>
Chris Elder said:
--- Is he the guy that was doing the "house I'm drawn to" boot? From the House of Blues - Orlando show? It was about April last year, said he was having a contest to design the artwork. I was told I was the winner, but never heard from him again. Never ended up seeing the boot either. Whomever it was I'm pretty disappointed, I was looking forward to having a boot out there adorning my work. Ah, such is life. ---No one ever gave the final word, but as far as I know, it was my artwork that was used. However, I was also told that there were copies available on eBay with a different cover, so I don't know about that one. The originator of this contest, I believe it was "TheMadTabber", fell off the face of the earth, and there are two different versions of the show. I believe Cloak (aka Andrew Coutermarsh) used my artwork for his version. I don't know about the other version, if it was ever even distributed.
~~Amanda
~~Amanda
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:42:10 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5740 Message-ID: <3A6A1441.94F027AE@optushome.com.au>
mildew@ucla.edu wrote:
> No one ever gave the final word, but as far as I know, it was my artwork that was used. However, I was also told that there were copies available on eBay with a different cover, so I don't know about that one. The originator of this contest, I believe it was "TheMadTabber", fell off the face of the earth, and there are two different versions of the show. I believe Cloak (aka Andrew Coutermarsh) used my artwork for his version. I don't know about the other version, if it was ever even distributed. >
Where can I get hold of this artwork ?
graham
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:31:07 -0500 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts) Message-ID: <003a01c08349$d4570d60$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
Could some of you audio experts help out a fellow 'Jammer? (pretty please?)
I'm in the market to get a new surround-sound receiver (for movie watching and music-listening, but more for movies). I'm kinda drawn to Denon, considering that I've listened to some Denon systems before (and was impressed), plus I've heard nothing but good about Denon.
Anyways, I (being the complete novice) am a bit confused.
I was scoping out the Denon website, and I see that they have 2 seperate lines of receivers. They have their 'Home Audio' line (with 4-digit names, ranging from AVR 1601, to the ultra-expensive AVR 5800), then they have their slighly less expensive 'Speciality Audio' line (which, by the way are the units they sell in some retail stores), which have the 3-digit model names, ranging from AVR 681, to AVR 981.
I'm not quite sure what the differences are. The website describes the 'Specialty Audio' stuff as "...our derivative product models...". Does this mean that these are products they don't actually make, but just put their name on, or something?
Stats-wise, I'm too dense to really know what the hell they're talking about. I see that surprisingly the cheaper 'Specialty' stuff has pretty beefy wattage-numbers compared to the slighty more expensive 'Home' line stuff (for example the AVR 981 which retails at around $799 lists the wattage as 135 X 5, whereas the AVR 3300 which retails at $899 or $999 lists the wattage as 105 X 5). That alone kinda confuses me! ;)
One thing I noticed that was different (not sure if it's important or not though...) is that the 'Home Audio' ones list that power as being into "8 ohms", whereas the cheaper 'Specialty' models list the wattage "into 6 ohms". What the heck does that mean? Is 8 ohms better?
I definitely want somethhing that has Dolby Digital 5.1 and also DTS, and I'm probably looking at one of the mid-priced models (leaning towards the 3300 I think, or the 2801, or possibly the 981). I've seen the 3300 (on the internet) for around $660 or so, which seems pretty reasonable, and I could also buy the 981 at a local store for $515 (I have a friend who works there).
BTW, I currently have a Nakamichi AV-500 (which I can sell for a few hundred bucks to put towards the new receiver). The Denon would be a pretty big step-up, wouldn't it?
If anybody could give me some advice, it would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!
- Joe D.
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:08:41 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT Samples Legal Issues Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101202205040.27866-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Matt Lee wrote:
> I was wondering, when DT has used samples of actors voices from movies > on Awake, ACoS, etc, did they have to go through any legal process to > get them? That is, did they have to get permission from the actors to > use their voice, or, if the rights to the voice by the actor being in > the movie are given to the film studio, did they have to get > permission to use an audio sample from the movie? I didn't see any > indication in the liner notes that I remember that the clips were > "courtesy of" anyone or anything, and even if DT simply ignored any > possible copyright issues, they certainly (to my knowledge) haven't > had any legal action taken against them. I'm thinking of doing > something similar in a song of mine, and I just want to make sure, > before I put a sample in and send it out in mp3 format all over the > net, that I don't get packs of bloodthirsty lawyers knocking at my > door (or email) the next day. :)
Well, I would assume that movie quotes (up to a certain length) fall under the same aspect as a musical quote: It's okay to quote a small piece of it, as long as it doesn't exceed a certain length. I don't know if fair use really applies to movie clips, though.
That having been said, it is ALWAYS best to gain permission from a copyright holder when using ANY part of his or her intellectual property. If you plan on using a movie quote in a piece of music, check with the movie studio first, obtain a written release of permission, and then you can be absolutely sure that what you have is legally binding. It's just the best route to use.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Never pet a burning dog. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:03:23 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Alice In Chains.... Message-ID: <20010120.213751.-23739.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Listening the Unplugged record, I still think "what an amazing band" tehy have teh single most ripped off sound today, I think more than Korn's ripped off.
For AIC ripooffs see Godsamck, Dust for Life
this band was so good, yet they only really had 3 albums.
facelift Dirt self titled
with 2 ep's Jar of flies Sap
2 live albums: Live Unplugged
Scary similarities to GNR: 3 studio albums: Appetite illusion 1 illusion 2
2 EP's Lies Spagetti Incicdent
2 live cd's (sold as one)
why do great bands just "go away" AIC also had that GH thingie when their boxed set came out, so I didn't count that. Id say the 70's had zepppplin, the 80's had GNR and the 90's had AIC as the popular rock bands. Fuck Nirvana. These guys were the real deal.
At least 1 member of AIC didn't just throw a bunch of other musicians together charge outrageous prices for shows and still have the testicular fortitude to call it Alice in Chains.
Kurtx3 still digs Alice's tool garden much better though.
ytsekurt on AOL instant messenger Trade page-www.geocities.com/kurt_labrie/Startpage.html "So do me a favor...f*ck off"-James Labrie 11-18-94 Houston "Shut the f*ck up. Ill come down there and kick yer f*ckin ass" -James Labrie 4/16/97 Holland
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