YTSEJAM Digest 5870
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Live is Cool but ....
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
2) live debate...
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
3) Downloadable Ring Tones
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
4) Re: Triple live
by Phil Carter <artoo@bellsouth.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5869
by "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsekirby@yahoo.com>
6) live 3cd
by Daniel McCormack <demccor@clemson.edu>
7) WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE BITCHING!!?!?!?!?!?!?
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
8) Re: live debate...
by Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5869
by "Barry Gilpin" <gilpdawg@woh.rr.com>
10) Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
11) Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
12) Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism
by Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
13) Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
14) Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
15) Live CD
by "Mike and Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
16) Soilwork
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@xinu.irv.concentric.net>
17) Re: Soilwork
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
18) Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
19) Re: Live CD
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
20) RE: Live CD
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
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Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 22:41:25 -0700
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Live is Cool but ....
Message-ID: <B73F1C15.1EBA%schansen@cts.com>
Mark stated:
> Well, this one strikes a nasty chord with me. It used to be that if you
> caught two shows in a row, you could count on different setlists. In fact,
> when they played two shows at that firetrap down in CT somewhere, I think
> that there may have only been 2-3 songs that were repeated. Sadly, they are
> not nearly as fun or spontaneous as they used to be !! I know (from
> reliable sources) that MP would love to go nuts !! It is the other TOADS in
> the group that want "same-old-same-old". And the story line of Jordan
> having to pre-program his keys to match the setlist makes me PUKE !!
Well, you have to remember that for the first leg, they wanted to play SFaM
in it's entirity which took up roughly 75% of the show, not leaving a lot of
room for anything else. So they opted to do the When Images and Words Unite
medley and a few other selections - of course, I'm sure they could've chosen
to rotate those other tracks (PSkies, etc.) but there wouldn't have been
much difference - I think this was to cover each release.
As for the second leg (August and October shows) I can't explain why there
wasn't much variety. HOWEVER, one must remember that the show they put on
was longer by at least a half and hour than the show they did the first time
around, so consider that they could've given you a 2 hour show and rotated
the tracks that would have made up the additional half hour....or give
everyone a longer show.
Anyway, I do understand what you are saying Mark - I like to see different
setlists each time I hit multiple shows but I guess I'm just trying to
explain what the reasoning behind their setlist choices might have been.
Here's hoping JP will do so when G3 hits southern California as I'm going to
3 shows.
Scott
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:54:46 -0600
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: live debate...
Message-ID: <B73F4966.EDA%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
wow! The first time I have sat through an entire jam in a few weeks. The
first time we have been divided about OFB other than KM vs. DS. vs. JR
argument.
Actually a good read.
So there are some people out there that don't want or think it is a good
idea. Are these the same people that pay $25 a year for a fan club CD with
10 tracks from various live shows throughout the tour?
I will buy and love the 3 CD set, I wish they would just give it a better
name. I will enjoy this 10 times more than this years Christmas in July cd.
Was I the only one disappointed with it? The wait probably had a little to
do with it but overall, I've only listened to it twice. I would have rather
spent the $25 on 3 discs I would listen to on a regular basis.
Just my Opinion,
-corvin
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 02:00:51 -0600
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Downloadable Ring Tones
Message-ID: <B73F4AD3.EDB%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
So I am buying a phone this week and remember a while back everyone talking
about having DT as their ring tone.
Does anyone have a web site that has these for download?
I am getting the Nokia 8290 if that makes a difference.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Email me personally if you like.
Thanks
Corvin
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 02:32:14 -0400
From: Phil Carter <artoo@bellsouth.net>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Triple live
Message-ID: <4.1.20010603023048.009fbf00@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Dan Costello remarked:
>well, we don't NEED any of our music, do we? there are plenty of people
>on earth who get
>by without mountains of cd's and stereo equipment. We buy things because
>we enjoy them.
Speak for yourself. I can't live without music. :)
The new triple live album, however, I think I can live rather nicely
without. Gotta agree with Madsman on this one.
cheers,
Phil
==================================================
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http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/~artoo
"Music is enough for a whole lifetime -- but a lifetime is not enough for
music."
-- Sergei Rachmaninoff
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 00:11:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsekirby@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5869
Message-ID: <20010603071106.19155.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com>
Christopher W. Ptacek <someone@digitalrodent.com> wrote:
> I still love the music, but it's just too much... and
> it's unnecessary. This won't sell a whole lot...
I know I haven't posted in a while, but believe it or not, I still
read the jam pretty frequently. No offense to Chris, but I just
can't believe I'm reading this kind of stuff on the same ytsejam
mailing list that 4 or 5 years ago begged for a 2 cd FII or a 3 cd
OiaLT. It's also the same 'jam that started a petition to have an
album released. Granted, the music that DT will put out on this
triple cd is not brand new, but it wasn't all on the DVD. I just
found it odd and thought I'd point it out.
-Nicole/Kirby
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 04:24:06 -0400
From: Daniel McCormack <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: live 3cd
Message-ID: <173206893487.20010603042406@clemson.edu>
NRS> I know I haven't posted in a while, but believe it or not, I still
NRS> read the jam pretty frequently. No offense to Chris, but I just
NRS> can't believe I'm reading this kind of stuff on the same ytsejam
NRS> mailing list that 4 or 5 years ago begged for a 2 cd FII or a 3 cd
NRS> OiaLT. It's also the same 'jam that started a petition to have an
NRS> album released. Granted, the music that DT will put out on this
NRS> triple cd is not brand new, but it wasn't all on the DVD. I just
NRS> found it odd and thought I'd point it out.
I think it's awesome that the label is letting them do it, and I will
buy it to support the band. But I tend to put live albums in a similar
category to Greatest Hits albums... Not really worth listening to if
you've got all the other albums anyway. And I do think it's a bit
excessive. Wasn't it Manowar that got pissed when people criticized
them because they released two live albums in a row? Hehe this reminds
me of that. I don't listen to most of my bootlegs much for the same
reason - I've got all those songs in studio-recorded CD quality on the
original albums. Nearly all of them are not any different than the
studio recordings (except perhaps for some of James' witty stage
banter :). Seeing DT live is awesome. Listening to a CD of them play
songs live that are not radically different from the studio versions
isnt too big of a thrill for me. This isn't to say, mind you, that I
don't treasure and often listen to my boots with the version of Eve
with samples, or Puppies on Acid with Derek. It is the redundant stuff
that I don't really care for. And thats pretty much all that will be
on this CD, which is why I probly won't listen to it much. I haven't
listened to OIALT since the first day I got it. I imagine this one
will be pretty much the same thing. But I have to get it. The idea of
having 27 DT boots yet not having all of their official releases is
ridiculous :) moo.
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 03:31:28 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE BITCHING!!?!?!?!?!?!?
Message-ID: <20010603.033129.-350789.0.kurt.hampton@juno.com>
Ok,
Im not one to go off, but Elektra is letting DT release a 3 CD LIVE CD,
of probably their finest moment to date. It was capture on film, and now
its made available. This maybe one of those lmt edition deals too. How
many people today do I have hear BITCHING about how they missed out on
Livecrime. THe cd set will probably run about 25 bucks or so, chill out
guys, no one forcing you to buy it, but Ill kill you if you dont :)
Have a nice day.
Kurt
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 11:37:28 +0200
From: Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: live debate...
Message-ID: <3B1A0558.3FBD6C56@sdts.nu>
Chris Elder wrote this about the Xmas CD:
> Was I the only one disappointed with it? The wait probably had a littl=
e to
> do with it but overall, I've only listened to it twice. I would have r=
ather
> spent the $25 on 3 discs I would listen to on a regular basis.
With all due respect, you didn't pay $25 on a "a
fan club CD with 10 tracks from
various live shows throughout the tour". Correct
me if I'm wrong , but as a
member of the DTIFC you paid absolutely NOTHING
for "a fan club CD with 10
tracks from various live shows throughout the
tour". The Xmas CD is absolutely
free when you subscribe to the ToD fanzines,
remember?
-- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu------------------------------
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 08:38:49 -0500 From: "Barry Gilpin" <gilpdawg@woh.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5869 Message-ID: <000701c0ec32$85ea0400$86d7a618@woh.rr.com>
----- Original Message ----- > I just wish someone had the DT Bogart's show in Cinci, from Feb. of last year. The show where SFAM was played in its entirety. Any help out there?
Indeed, I can help ya on this one. A guy I know has it I think. His name is Aaron Howell, he goes by Red on the mp.com forum, e-mail me and I'll give you his e-mail address, I don't know if I should post his mail here, so I won't. If he doesn't have it, I think he does though, I think Polozin(sp?), has it. Barry
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 14:27:26 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism Message-ID: <28B1716689755D11EA220005B8CC3288@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I was disappointed also. And I disagree with this statement. At this p= oint I do pay $25 for the CD and consider the fanzine shit as a bonus. Yeah they are pretty and = whatever but they offer NOTHING as far as news goes. We all know this stuff already. I = skim them, look at the photos and recycle em. Sorry but it's the truth. If this is the last = XMAS CD, it will be my last subscription. I want CDs from the band and will pay them accordingly. = As far as photos and "news" goes, that's why we have the Jam and the websites.
Rob
---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 02:45:49 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: live debate...
Chris Elder wrote this about the Xmas CD:
> Was I the only one disappointed with it? =A0The wait probably had a l= ittl=3D e to > do with it but overall, I've only listened to it twice. =A0I would ha= ve r=3D ather > spent the $25 on 3 discs I would listen to on a regular basis.
With all due respect, you didn't pay $25 on a "a fan club CD with 10 tracks from various live shows throughout the tour". Correct me if I'm wrong , but as a member of the DTIFC you paid absolutely NOTHING for "a fan club CD with 10 tracks from various live shows throughout the tour". The Xmas CD is absolutely free when you subscribe to the ToD fanzines, remember? -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=3DE4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
---- End Original Message ----
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 05:37:00 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism Message-ID: <3B1A91DC.87278477@optushome.com.au>
Rob Pociluk wrote:
> I was disappointed also. And I disagree with this statement. At this p= > oint I do pay $25 for the > CD and consider the fanzine shit as a bonus. Yeah they are pretty and = > whatever but they > offer NOTHING as far as news goes. We all know this stuff already. I = > skim them, look at the > photos and recycle em. Sorry but it's the truth. If this is the last = > XMAS CD, it will be my last > subscription. I want CDs from the band and will pay them accordingly. = > As far as photos and > "news" goes, that's why we have the Jam and the websites.
What about those who don't have internet access ? Your assuming that all DT fans get their news from the net and quite obviously this is not the case.
Usually the fanzine is a decent read, with some usful information. But the last one was the pits, one long interview with MP and not much else. Adding insult was the Xmas CD, that after all the waiting turns out to be extremely disappointing at best.
I'd hazzard a guess that the numbers of the FC are going to take a huge dive pretty soon.
graham
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 21:43:12 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism Message-ID: <3B1A9350.754E6A51@sdts.nu>
Rob Pociluk wrote:
> I was disappointed also. And I disagree with this statement. At this > point I do pay $25 for the CD and consider the fanzine shit as a bonus.
Disagree all you want, it's still a fact. The CD is free. -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 17:03:32 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010603170321.00a18bc0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Anybody want to tell me what was on the Christmas CD? At 03:54 PM 6/3/2001, you wrote:
>Rob Pociluk wrote: > > > I was disappointed also. And I disagree with this statement. At this p= > > oint I do pay $25 for the > > CD and consider the fanzine shit as a bonus. Yeah they are pretty and = > > whatever but they > > offer NOTHING as far as news goes. We all know this stuff already. I = > > skim them, look at the > > photos and recycle em. Sorry but it's the truth. If this is the last = > > XMAS CD, it will be my last > > subscription. I want CDs from the band and will pay them accordingly. = > > As far as photos and > > "news" goes, that's why we have the Jam and the websites. > >What about those who don't have internet access ? >Your assuming that all DT fans get their news from the net and quite obviously >this is not the case. > >Usually the fanzine is a decent read, with some usful information. >But the last one was the pits, one long interview with MP and not much else. >Adding insult was the Xmas CD, that after all the waiting turns out to be >extremely >disappointing at best. > >I'd hazzard a guess that the numbers of the FC are going to take a huge >dive pretty soon. > >graham
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:32:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106031730160.76978-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Graham Boyle wrote:
> Usually the fanzine is a decent read, with some usful information. But > the last one was the pits, one long interview with MP and not much > else. Adding insult was the Xmas CD, that after all the waiting turns > out to be extremely disappointing at best.
The only thing I really don't like about the Fan Club newsletters is that most of the information is backdated. I remember reading about my first DT concert last February in the fall newsletter. That's a little slow, don't you think?
If they had a method to get current information out, I'd stay subscribed, but I found that when I received my newsletter, I already knew all of the information in them, so it wasn't like I was getting anything special, besides some glossy paper and color photos. Even the interviews weren't great because all they were talking about was stuff that had already happened.
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:11:42 -0500 From: "Mike and Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Live CD Message-ID: <000901c0ec7a$2c259680$b75299d1@homewks>
No this CD won't win over any new fans, and it won't sell as many copies as the DVD. Yes Mike thinks this performance is special and Electra is looking for a few more bucks, BUT the band is doing this for us. WE bitch all the time about new material (and yes I know this isn't new) but how many boot's do we have of the same tour? How many people have been talking about boots from the SFaM tour? I'd rather have this CD than some boot that has shitty sound quality. For those of us who don't want to buy the CD.....don't. No one is putting a gun to your head.
Mike
> I have to kind of agree with those who are not very interested in this > album. This is what, live cd 4, 5 and 6? Not including boots. What's > next, a best of? I know that Portnoy is doing it because he believes the > show was very special, and it probably was, but this 3 cd thing is overkill, > IMO, and I know for certain that I won't be able to sit through 3 cds of DT > live anytime soon. I still love the music, but it's just too much... and > it's unnecessary. This won't sell a whole lot... it's the kind of thing > they should have made available through their web sites, so they wouldn't > have to delay the album, IMO. > > With the DVD and all, this just doesn't make any sense to me at all... if it > were another band I'd think it was a money grab kind of thing, but I know > that Portnoy is the most rabid DT fan of them all, and he's doing this > because he thinks it should be done... but I don't think it will make it > into my cd collection
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 15:08:42 -0700 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@xinu.irv.concentric.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Soilwork Message-ID: <20010603150842.A22250@xinu.irv.concentric.net>
Anybody into Soilwork?? F*cking kick ass... almost like a melodic Meshuggah..
-The Doc
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Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 18:39:58 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Soilwork Message-ID: <3B196B3E.64919CB5@yunque.net>
i have one of their disc, i forget the title, but its all black and shit on the cover... its kick ass...but IMO theyre more like in flames with 7 string (or detuned) guitars than meshuggah... they rock anyways!
"Dr. Mosh" wrote:
> Anybody into Soilwork?? F*cking kick ass... almost like a melodic Meshuggah.. > > -The Doc
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:05:27 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism Message-ID: <630B261BF5855D11EA920005B87A5027@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Not a problem, I will disagree. We'll see how many people agree with yo= ur rose-colored view and stay subscribed. The real fact is that most people subscribe BECAU= SE of the Xmas CD. The old fan club was so fucked up that the band HAD to do something to= reward those of us that suffered thru Gail Flug and her scam of a fan club.
Granted, if the XMAS CDs were like this last disc rather than the first= few...I wouldn't miss it anyway. This was good for a chuckle and it gets filed. The '99 XMAS C= D is one of my favorite DT CDs period!
Rob ---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 12:55:41 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: live debate...XMAS CD criticism
Rob Pociluk wrote:
> I was disappointed also. =A0And I disagree with this statement. =A0At= this > point I do pay $25 for the CD and consider the fanzine shit as a bonu= s.
Disagree all you want, it's still a fact. The CD is free. -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=3DE4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
---- End Original Message ----
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:08:10 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Live CD Message-ID: <240B261BF5855D11EA920005B87A5027@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Amen to that. The bottom line is that if this major label is willing to= support this great band, then so am I by buying it. I bet most of those that are claiming that = they won't buy it will eb out there in September when the stores open.
Rob
---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 15:15:27 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Live CD
No this CD won't win over any new fans, and it won't sell as many copie= s as the DVD. Yes Mike thinks this performance is special and Electra is loo= king for a few more bucks, BUT the band is doing this for us. WE bitch all t= he time about new material (and yes I know this isn't new) but how many bo= ot's do we have of the same tour? How many people have been talking about bo= ots from the SFaM tour? I'd rather have this CD than some boot that has shi= tty sound quality. For those of us who don't want to buy the CD.....don't. = No one is putting a gun to your head.
Mike
> I have to kind of agree with those who are not very interested in thi= s > album. =A0This is what, live cd 4, 5 and 6? =A0Not including boots. =A0= What's > next, a best of? =A0I know that Portnoy is doing it because he believ= es the > show was very special, and it probably was, but this 3 cd thing is overkill, > IMO, and I know for certain that I won't be able to sit through 3 cds= of DT > live anytime soon. =A0I still love the music, but it's just too much.= . and > it's unnecessary. =A0This won't sell a whole lot... it's the kind of = thing > they should have made available through their web sites, so they woul= dn't > have to delay the album, IMO. > > With the DVD and all, this just doesn't make any sense to me at all..= if it > were another band I'd think it was a money grab kind of thing, but I = know > that Portnoy is the most rabid DT fan of them all, and he's doing thi= s > because he thinks it should be done... but I don't think it will make= it > into my cd collection
---- End Original Message ----
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:04:44 -0500 From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Live CD Message-ID: <000001c0eca3$1c02bde0$3364a8c0@klindt.org>
My problem with this argument is the label's interpretation of low sales. Everyone's saying "don't buy it if you don't want it. No harm's done". I don't think that's entirely true. I think Elektra has been extremely supportive of DT lately and I'd hate to see that go away because they lost their ass on a 3 CD live set. If this sells poorly it will have to affect the band's clout with the label.
Just my thoughts, tk
-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of Rob Pociluk Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Live CD
Amen to that. The bottom line is that if this major label is willing to= support this great band, then so am I by buying it. I bet most of those that are claiming that = they won't buy it will eb out there in September when the stores open.
Rob
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No this CD won't win over any new fans, and it won't sell as many copie= s as the DVD. Yes Mike thinks this performance is special and Electra is loo= king for a few more bucks, BUT the band is doing this for us. WE bitch all t= he time about new material (and yes I know this isn't new) but how many bo= ot's do we have of the same tour? How many people have been talking about bo= ots from the SFaM tour? I'd rather have this CD than some boot that has shi= tty sound quality. For those of us who don't want to buy the CD.....don't. = No one is putting a gun to your head.
Mike
> I have to kind of agree with those who are not very interested in thi= s > album. =A0This is what, live cd 4, 5 and 6? =A0Not including boots. =A0= What's > next, a best of? =A0I know that Portnoy is doing it because he believ= es the > show was very special, and it probably was, but this 3 cd thing is overkill, > IMO, and I know for certain that I won't be able to sit through 3 cds= of DT > live anytime soon. =A0I still love the music, but it's just too much.= and > it's unnecessary. =A0This won't sell a whole lot... it's the kind of = thing > they should have made available through their web sites, so they woul= dn't > have to delay the album, IMO. > > With the DVD and all, this just doesn't make any sense to me at all..= if it > were another band I'd think it was a money grab kind of thing, but I = know > that Portnoy is the most rabid DT fan of them all, and he's doing thi= s > because he thinks it should be done... but I don't think it will make= it > into my cd collection
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