YTSEJAM Digest 5876
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
3) EMERGENCY MESSAGE for jammers in the DC area!!!! PLEASE READ
by crow <crow@ccpl.carr.org>
4) Re: testing...
by Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
5) More PoS stuff
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
6) DT Ringtones
by Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874
by Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874
by Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
9) Re: Quality of the fanzine
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
10) Olala!!
by "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
11) Re: Xmas CD 2000: The Making Of Scenes From A Memory
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
12) PoS & Ayreon
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
13) All this PoS talk...
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
14) fanzine, stocks explore
by "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
15) Re: DT Ringtones and vodka
by "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
16) RE: Olala!!
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
17) Re: PoS (pun intended)
by "Michael Pruchnicki" <Michael.Pruchnicki@computec.de>
18) Re: All this PoS talk...
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
19) Re: Olala!!
by "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
20) RE: Olala!!
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
21) huh huh...he said "bonus"
by Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:08:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106071604330.14873-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Andreas Skarin wrote:
> Do you mean to say that you can get a 12 month subscription for
> $15-$20? = No offense but what kind of shitty magazines are you
> reading? :-)
Well, a subscription to Playboy (a fabulous magazine for many reasons) is
just around $20. A subscription to Maxim is only twelve dollars. Most
U.S. magazine subscriptions are around that cost, between fifteen and
thirty dollars. Some of the more frequent magazines (i.e. those that are
weekly) such as Sports Illustrated, or newspapers such as the New York
Times Sunday Edition, are closer to the fifty to sixty dollar a year
range, but that's just because it's more frequent. But $25 for a
quarterly magazine that's got outdated material in it? I dunno.
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
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"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:29:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0106071528330.27872-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
$25 for four thin outdated issues per year is simply
outrageous. period. if the issues were a little more hefty and a little
more up-to-date, or maybe even bimonthly rather than quarterly, it'd be
easier to justify. but in the current state? bah.
-brian
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Andreas Skarin wrote:
>
> > Do you mean to say that you can get a 12 month subscription for
> > $15-$20? = No offense but what kind of shitty magazines are you
> > reading? :-)
>
> Well, a subscription to Playboy (a fabulous magazine for many reasons) is
> just around $20. A subscription to Maxim is only twelve dollars. Most
> U.S. magazine subscriptions are around that cost, between fifteen and
> thirty dollars. Some of the more frequent magazines (i.e. those that are
> weekly) such as Sports Illustrated, or newspapers such as the New York
> Times Sunday Edition, are closer to the fifty to sixty dollar a year
> range, but that's just because it's more frequent. But $25 for a
> quarterly magazine that's got outdated material in it? I dunno.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Andrew Coutermarsh
> a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
> http://cout.dhs.org/
> -------------------------------------------------
> "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool
> than to speak out and remove all doubt."
> - Abraham Lincoln
> -------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:13:30 -0400
From: crow <crow@ccpl.carr.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: EMERGENCY MESSAGE for jammers in the DC area!!!! PLEASE READ
Message-ID: <3B1FEE7A.C4B858B0@ccpl.carr.org>
Tickets for the G3 show are ALREADY on sale via the internet.
This internet presale was NOT annouced anywhere to the best of my
knowledge and the only reason I found out was that I went to the
ticketBASTARD website to see how much the tickets would be tomorrow.
Get your tickets now, I bought 3 tickets and they are in row letter "O"
already!!!! This show was also advertised on 98Rock in Baltimore this
morning so it is gauranteed to sell out.
I'm REAL pissed about this right now as I had made preparations to be
first in line tomorrow morning at my favorite ticket outlet to assure I
would get something very good(in the first 5 rows). I wonder if they
held some tickets back for tomorrow?
Arrrggghhhh!!!!!!
Oh, well at least I'm there. Go grab your tickets while you still.
Chris
crow@ccpl.carr.org
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:19:23 -0400
From: Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: testing...
Message-ID: <3B1FFDEB.7D6F93CB@bellatlantic.net>
Yeah and ya flunked it ;)
Coldfire
"Dr. Mosh" wrote:
>
> Hello, this is a test...
>
> Yeah...
>
> -The Doc
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:55:17 -0700
From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: More PoS stuff
Message-ID: <01a601c0efad$4db9d960$305ad9cf@it.earthlink.net>
Guess I'm the oddball here, I got OHbtCL first, and still like it better
than Entropia and tPE, although I like them as well.
David, I agree with you about the production; it's very thin and trebly
overall. I normally crank the treble up a bit on things in my car stereo,
and if I plop a PoS disc in without re-adjusting my ears start to bleed.
Daniel's voice actually kind of grows on you after a while. I disliked it
at first.
But did you really listen to 30 minutes of the cd??? You said that nothing
caught you by surprise on this disc. And I cannot for the life of me
believe that. These guys are anything but predictable, and they certainly
don't sound like anyone else. Also, "uninspired" really doesn't fit this
band. This is some of the most emotional music I've heard. And read the
liner notes if you want a real eye opener...
But that's just mho, you flame-retardant bastard! :)
Paul
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:37:43 +0930
From: Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT Ringtones
Message-ID: <61BA286C6C56D11187B50000E83A13CB331B57@EDDIE>
> From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
> So gang, where can I get some Dream Theater ringtones for my cell
phone?
Chris,
Tried mailing you last week, but got a bounce....
These are the couple of ones for Nokias
(I use the Ystejam... sounds pretty close)
Dream Theater - Space Dyed Vest (~140 bpm)
8d1 8d1 8d1 4g1 4f1 4e1 8e1 4a1 4g1 4f1 8e1 8e1 8e1 4g1 4f1 2e1
8- (repeats)
8d1 8d1 8d1 4g1 4f1 4e1 8e1 4a1 4g1 4f1 8e1 8e1 8e1 4g1 4f1 2e1
Simply type this into the Nokia composer
28, 2, 2, 59, 4, 3, 38, 69, 5, 4, 38, 3, 3, 59, 4, 39,
088,
288, 2, 2, 59, 4, 3, 38, 69, 5, 4, 38, 3, 3, 59, 4, 39
Dream Theater - Ytsejam
Simply type this into the Nokia composer
28*, 1#, 29, 2**, 38*, 2, 39, 2**, 48*, 3, 49, 58, 4, 59, 48, 3, 49, 38,
2, 39, 28, 1#, 29, 2**, 68#, 6, 60#, 68, 5, 69, 58,4, 59, 48, 3, 49
Drop me an email if you have any problems -
with a working email address though ;-)
Cheers
Paul
NP: Savatage - Dead Winter Dead
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:11:38 +0200
From: Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874
Message-ID: <3B20183A.B8023D9@sdts.nu>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Andreas Skarin wrote:
>
> > Do you mean to say that you can get a 12 month subscription for
> > $15-$20? =3D No offense but what kind of shitty magazines are you
> > reading? :-)
>
> Well, a subscription to Playboy (a fabulous magazine for many reasons) =
is
> just around $20. A subscription to Maxim is only twelve dollars.
Wow! That explains it. All the decent magazines cost between $40-$60 a ye=
ar
over here.
-- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu------------------------------
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:24:56 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874 Message-ID: <3B201B58.789EECEA@sdts.nu>
Brian D Hayden wrote:
> $25 for four thin outdated issues per year is simply outrageous. period= if > the issues were a little more hefty and a little more up-to-date, or ma= ybe > even bimonthly rather than quarterly, it'd be easier to justify. but in= the > current state? bah.
Most underground magazines don't have the amount of subscribers that for example Playboy has got, and simple mathematics tells us that because of = this, it will automatically be more expensive. And it's not like they sell ad s= pace for millions of dollars either. There are hundreds of obvious reasons why= a Dream Theater fanzine can't hold a candle to the larger magazines when it= comes to frequency, thickness and overall quality but since I think most people already have figured that out, let's not go there. -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Quality of the fanzine Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106072116320.53593-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I have already made offers to the staff at the fanzine to be a proofreader for them. What it really takes to make something professional and of a higher quality is to get more people working on it, so that simple things like spelling errors, punctuation mistakes, grammar and the like are not missed. A magazine's first priority is to its writing, and I offered to help with that. (In addition, they still use the traditional straight typewriter quotation marks, which drive me nuts ;).)
As for the frequency and up-to-dateness of the information, one thing that you must realize (in fact, I just realized it again when I really started to think about it) is that these people do this stuff in their spare time. As such, there is NO way you can expect it to remain in their first priority to do, considering the fact that I'm sure they all have other jobs to do in order to keep a living. So I think that we need to remember that, because as a spare-time thing, it is a remarkable job that they do.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill it anyway because I already gave away all of his stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of humor. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:25:48 -0400 From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Olala!! Message-ID: <OE60sM1RkIZ8eisXbby00007ce8@hotmail.com>
Nice little video DT.net got there.
------------------------------------------------------------------ Andre Navarro "Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:33:25 -0400 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Xmas CD 2000: The Making Of Scenes From A Memory Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010607235830.01e156f0@cs.millersville.edu>
Tom White wrote:
>right now I'm working on this year's Christmas fanclub >CD which will be the 'Making Of Scenes From A Memory'." >Personally I would have much prefered that to the CD we just got
Bah, not me. That sounds a lot like the 1997 fan club CD, which I've never been able to get through in its entirety. I'm glad we got what we got, particularly if that was the alternative.
Someone wrote the other day about only having heard a few Faith No More songs. Now that's a crying shame. FNM (dearly departed) was one of the best and most original metal bands ever. Do yourself a favor and check out "Angel Dust"...and then all the other ones.
Brian
[NP...Susperia -- Predominance]
============================================== WB Henderson [wbhender@cs.millersville.edu] Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/ WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ ==============================================
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:17:24 -0600 From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: PoS & Ayreon Message-ID: <B745D823.F71%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
on 6/7/01 2:18 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> Do you mean to say that you can get a 12 month subscription for $15-$20? = > No > offense but what kind of shitty magazines are you reading? :-)
Here in the US you can get a subscription to pretty much ANY magazine for under $20. Maxim, Stuff, Gear, Playboy, FHM, Wired, Cinescape, and many more. The only really expensive ones are Sports Illustrated (b/c its weekly), and specialty magazines that aren't mass-produced, like MacWorld, or Perfect 10.
on Pos... I enjoy TPE, it draws me in but I do have to agree with Graham Borland, all the songs sound very similar and run together. It is like a 1 track, 70 minute CD. But I DO enjoy it. I have been watching all the opinions b/c I want to get one of the other two, but can't decide which to get.
So, I have been hooked on a CD that I haven't seen anyone mention at all, Ayreon "Universal Migrator 1: The Dream Sequencer." I absolutely love it. Different style of music from song to song, male and female vocals, and overall a killer sci-fi concept album. KILLER. I can't seem to get into "UM 2 - Flight of the Universal Migrator," though. It is heavier but there isn't something that pulls all the songs together like the vocals on part one. You have great guest vocals from Helloween, Primal Fear, Symphony X, Stratovarious, Iron Maiden and more, but for it being a concept it pulls away from the story. What is everyone else's thoughts. Anyone given it a shot? Any of them for that matter?
-corvin
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:09:03 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: All this PoS talk... Message-ID: <20010608.010905.-376039.1.kurt.hampton@juno.com>
I bought TPE due to all the hype.....
after a month and a half it became my favorite cd, I bought the other 2, and love them both. Entropia hit me more, but the Lake is great piece of work also. THey are a band that takes a while to "get" Lyrically, IMO Daniel is unmatched, the band plays with both technical prowless and so much emotion, something that lacks in most Prog music. SOrry Stuff like Symphony X just doesnt produce any emotions in me. Yes I see Romeo's fantastic ability. Everyone was a child, and can relate to something on the Perfect Element. When I get something out of it more than whoah dude that was a cool guitar solo, its not just music to me anymore.
Kurt NP-Iced Earth Watching over me "Alive in Athens" (BTW their new cd is a MONSTER, Ill review it soon)
Kurts Trade Page: www.geocities.com/kurt_labrie/Startpage.html Ytsekurt on AOL IM "Cmon Orlando Shake you f*ckin booty" James Labrie 3/3/00
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:59:53 -0500 From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: fanzine, stocks explore Message-ID: <001b01c0efe8$9ff8aea0$7bf73e3f@oemcomputer>
> EXPLOSIVE STOCK ALERT !!!!! > > EXPLOSIVE STOCK ALERT > > OPHIDIAN PHARMACEUTICALS INC (OTCBB: OPHD)
Wow, just like a scene out of Boiler Room...
> Yes, but the $25 price tag is new as of '99. Before that it was $15 and > probably cheaper early on. I would be satisfied with a $12-$15 fanzine. > That is about $4 a pop. > The $25 for just the fanzines is fucking ridiculous. I mean you can get a > subscription to any magazine $5-$10+ less for a 12 months. > Anyway... > > Corvin
MOST magazines are subsidized by the ad buyers. In fact they pay for the majority of the cost of most publications (and hence undermine any objectivity they claim). Any magazine worth its paper is subscription driven, meaning they rely on fees and small classified ads for their money. Now if we wanted Vodka ads every other page in the fanzine we wouldnt have to pay so much for it. Of course ad buyers always insist on some form of content control, even if it means a review of content before it hits the stands. You get what you pay for, if you dont have to pay for something, you deserve what you get (Network TV).
You're 50 cents for a newpaper doesnt even cover the cost of the paper (maybe).
Spoonfed
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 07:46:19 +0300 From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT Ringtones and vodka Message-ID: <003a01c0efd6$15ffcf60$38df6693@----->
> >These are the couple of ones for Nokias >(I use the Ystejam... sounds pretty close) >
Is there anything for Ericsson?I once tried to put Ytsejam but it sounded too slow.I haven't figured out how to play anything besides 4th or 8th notes.
>Now if we wanted Vodka ads every other page in the fanzine we wouldnt have >to pay so much for it
Maybe the spammers have some interesting offer to make?
Besides,just out of curiosity,what do other fanclubs offer and at what price? I had a friend that wanted to join the metallica club and subscription fees were outrageous.Got no idea what they offer but i don't think they have an exclusive fan club cd in the deal.
laterz
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 07:28:29 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Olala!! Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B34302@ISDCRE00>
Is that the same one that's been there for a while or is it new ?
> -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Navarro [SMTP:gan_andre@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Olala!! > > > Nice little video DT.net got there. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andre Navarro > "Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:28:27 +0200 From: "Michael Pruchnicki" <Michael.Pruchnicki@computec.de> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID: <2266D0630E43BB4290742247C89105750B48F0@dozer.computec.de>
> <flamesuit> > I popped in OHbtCL and, after listening for a good 30=20 > minutes, I must say I > am pretty disappointed. =20
First off, don't ever judge this album without reading the lyrics. It's a concept album (like all PoS albums so far) and the music was written around the lyrics. So you will NOT get all of it if you don't know what he's singing about.
> Many of you guys hailed PoS like they were the > goddamn second coming of DT.=20
They have very little to do with DT and that's what makes them interesting. If you're looking for a DT clone, get the=20 Dali's Dilemma disc and quit bashing bands for being original.
> Shame on you - not even close! =20
I'd say their singer is leaps ahead of LaBrie (who has yet to prove that he can really sing stuff "with an edge" - he sounds just shitty on the heavier DT stuff like Lie. Try "Used" from PoS's latest album to see how it's done ...)
Also the songs and lyrics actually go together very well, quite unlike large chunks of DT's latest offering for example.
> and the singer's voice, which=20 > was raved > about by pretty much everybody, is nothing special.=20
Sure, aside from the multi-octave range which goes really deep (not just high as with most guys claiming that range) when the music calles for it. And the fact that he uses it with way more variety than about 98% of all other singers.
The best example (I know you don't have the CD, but try Napster or whatever source): Reconciliation from their latest album. There's a part where he goes from deep, almost grunting style vox to clean high ones within seconds (2:54 - 3:40). Or just compare 1:20-30 with 3:14.=20 And yes, it's one and the same singer. ;)
> These guys sound like > they are playing progressive and heavy JUST TO PLAY=20 > PROGRESSIVE AND HEAVY.
Actually, quite the opposite is true about PoS. They hardly play anything that's "prog in your face", they tend to hide the progressive stuff pretty well under the "standard metal" top. There's a lot of stuff that'll have you go "oops, I didn't notice this was in 5/8" or whatever before you actually count it out.
But who am I telling, you've heard like half an hour of their music and nothing from that half an hour is really all that progressive at all, so I guess this is going to lead nowhere.
> I don't doubt the talent=20 > of these guys, > but the singer and engineer need to get their shit together=20 > before I will > listen again.=20
Before you bash Daniel's singing, how about showing us any proof that he doesn't have "his shit together"?
> How is the production on their latest album?
Phat. Much better than on the first two.
- Mike
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:27:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: All this PoS talk... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010608112444.21438A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
> NP-Iced Earth Watching over me "Alive in Athens" > (BTW their new cd is a MONSTER, Ill review it soon)
hey, while you're at it, how about a review of the band itself. i've heard so much about them, but have no frickin' idea what they sound like. i passed over them a few times in the store, because i knew nothing about them at all. let's hear it.
-ryften
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:56:37 -0400 From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Olala!! Message-ID: <OE17ixjnzi95HfqR77b00007f6a@hotmail.com>
DT video for italian fans part 2, only this one was for the french and they talk about the new album!!
> > Is that the same one that's been there for a while or is it new ?
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:19:31 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Olala!! Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B34335@ISDCRE00>
Very cool. Will have to check that one out. Thanks
> -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Navarro [SMTP:gan_andre@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:08 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Olala!! > > > > DT video for italian fans part 2, only this one was for the french and > they > talk about the new album!! > > > > > Is that the same one that's been there for a while or is it new ?
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:22:29 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: huh huh...he said "bonus" Message-ID: <3B2109D5.2D93A1E6@optonline.com>
>Do you mean to say that you can get a >12 month subscription for $15-$20? = >No offense but what kind of shitty magazines >are you reading? :-)
No, that's about right. If not less. That's what I paid for my subcriptions - Maxim, Wired, Moter Trend, and Super Street. Just rip out any of the zillion cards in any magazine you want. You can do even better if you hunt down deals on the web. One of the truly, undistubably great things in this world is cheap magazine subcriptions. Newstand is for suckers. :)
As for the "bonus" CD, I totally understand the mentality that it should be part of that price. It doesn't matter what the fan club says they're charging. People decide what they're paying for. If I'm only paying the $25 to get the CD, then I'm paying for the CD. Of course they can do what they want, it's their fan club. But obviously, to those people that are only paying for the CD, it's not a "bonus". It's what they're paying for.
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