YTSEJAM Digest 5877
Today's Topics:
1) Re: PoS & Ayreon
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org>
2) Re: fanzine, stocks explore
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
3) Re: huh huh...he said "bonus"
by "michele moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
4) Re: fanzine, stocks explore
by "michele moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
5) Re: Quality of the fanzine
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
6) Vai new live CD - woohoo
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
7) Scenes From Bear Tracks
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
8) Re: Scenes From Bear Tracks
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
9) Re: Scenes From Bear Tracks
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
10) more fan club & Iced Earth
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
11) Iced Earth
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
12) Re: more fan club & Iced Earth
by "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5876
by "Outo Alex" <this1sux2@hotmail.com>
14) WfS for Ericsson
by Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
15) G3 Tix
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
16) Spys4Darwin?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:40:01 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: PoS & Ayreon
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0106082235180.16089-100000@ace>
> So, I have been hooked on a CD that I haven't seen anyone mention at all,
> Ayreon "Universal Migrator 1: The Dream Sequencer." I absolutely love it.
<snip>
> overall a killer sci-fi concept album. KILLER. I can't seem to get into
> "UM 2 - Flight of the Universal Migrator," though. It is heavier but there
Oh well, Arjen's songwriting and musical abilities are without any doubt
symply amazing. Musically, I like both Universal Migrators equally. If
only he'd write an intelligent story without cheesy lyrics or cliches the
size MP's drulkit for a change. I mean: 'to the quaaasaaaar...'. WTF? Even
Star Trek is better.
So don't mind the lyrics, the music is splendid.
Peter
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:11:29 -0400
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: fanzine, stocks explore
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010608164524.01e1c6c0@cs.millersville.edu>
>MOST magazines are subsidized by the ad buyers.
Obviously, you're not going to get huge companies (or shitty ones that have
to use E-mail spam as ther prime outreach tool for that matter), but I'll
be tons of record-related companies would like the target-audience idea in
advertising in a fanzine. Dunno about all of you, but I actually *like* to
see on-target advertising. It's how quality metalmags like Promethean
Crusade can only charge $10 a year -- there's ads from just about every
metal label you can think of, and I read practically every one of them.
>Besides,just out of curiosity,what do other fanclubs offer and at what
>price?
I'm a member of the Flower Kings fanclub, World of Adventures, and the
current rate is $30/year. For that, you get six fanzines, all of them of
the fairly low-budget, non-glossy variety (there aren't nearly as many
members as ToD), yet they are very informative, generally speaking. Of
course, a lot of this content is generally repeated on their website
[*]. Roine typically has some sort of "state of the band" column, and
occasionally, a fanzine is signed by a band member. We get an exclusive
CD, which, assuming present trends hold up, consists of b-sides, and,
unlike DT, new material composed especially for said CD. Those guys are a
(good)-music-producing machine, so it's no trouble for 'em, I
guess. Overall, I'd say I'm satisfied that I'm getting my money's worth.
[*] http://www.feersum.endjinn.btinternet.co.uk/flower/TAinterview2001.html
-- new interview with all members of Transatlantic, also featured in the
latest WoA mag. As you'd expect, Mike does most of the talking.
Brian
[NP...Arch Enemy -- Burning Bridges]
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WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:39:48 -0400
From: "michele moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: huh huh...he said "bonus"
Message-ID: <002601c0f06b$f8295880$5925fc9e@w9w4t7>
just a random magazine subscription note.. (nope, no DT content in this
post.. sorry)
if you're looking for the best subscription rate always rip out a
subscription card (also called insert cards) from a newsstand issue..
instead of (for example) from your friend who subscribes to that magazine..
also, don't renew when the magazine starts sending you renewal notices
(unless you REALLY like the magazine and cannot risk missing an issue)
because the renewal rates are much higher than the original rate you
subscribed at. like if you paid $9.99 from an insert card, the magazine
will most likely try to renew you at $19.95 the first year... and $24.95
the second.year....
it's all about getting the customers to renew at a much higher rate.
why yes, i do work in the terribly exciting world of magazines.. weee. ;-)
Michele
-----
"The road paved with good intentions
does not always lead directly to hell;
sometimes it detours via Broadway."
New York Magazine
----- Original Message -----
]From: "Joshua Rasiel" <megafunk@optonline.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:31 PM
Subject: huh huh...he said "bonus"
>
> >Do you mean to say that you can get a
> >12 month subscription for $15-$20? =
> >No offense but what kind of shitty magazines
> >are you reading? :-)
>
> No, that's about right. If not less. That's what I paid for my
> subcriptions - Maxim, Wired, Moter Trend, and Super Street. Just rip out
> any of the zillion cards in any magazine you want. You can do even
> better if you hunt down deals on the web. One of the truly, undistubably
> great things in this world is cheap magazine subcriptions. Newstand is
> for suckers. :)
>
> As for the "bonus" CD, I totally understand the mentality that it should
> be part of that price. It doesn't matter what the fan club says they're
> charging. People decide what they're paying for. If I'm only paying the
> $25 to get the CD, then I'm paying for the CD. Of course they can do
> what they want, it's their fan club. But obviously, to those people that
> are only paying for the CD, it's not a "bonus". It's what they're
> paying for.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:43:45 -0400
From: "michele moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: fanzine, stocks explore
Message-ID: <003501c0f06c$7f7ff3c0$5925fc9e@w9w4t7>
Bruce Forst said:
>Of course ad buyers always insist on some form of content control, even if
it means >a review of content before it hits the stands.
Also most ad buyers need to know how many subscribers the publication has,
what the average type of person the subscriber is (ie. age, income, hobbies,
you know, the usual demographics)... and so on and so on...
-- Michele
-----
"The road paved with good intentions
does not always lead directly to hell;
sometimes it detours via Broadway."
New York Magazine
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:40:44 -0700
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Quality of the fanzine
Message-ID: <B746B08C.1F32%schansen@cts.com>
Andrew wrote:
> As for the frequency and up-to-dateness of the information, one thing that
> you must realize (in fact, I just realized it again when I really started
> to think about it) is that these people do this stuff in their spare time.
> As such, there is NO way you can expect it to remain in their first
> priority to do, considering the fact that I'm sure they all have other
> jobs to do in order to keep a living. So I think that we need to remember
> that, because as a spare-time thing, it is a remarkable job that they do.
Thank you! Now if there was someone who was able to spend ALL their time
dedicated to doing this fanzine, then it could happen once a month, but
frankly I don't think that there would be enough "news" to fill it up every
month. Every other month, perhaps. I actually wouldn't mind seeing DT hire
someone who could make the fanzine a priority (with all the others working
as assistants when they can) so that it would be more up-to-date, but I
doubt that will happen as it's not like DT has as much money to spend as
some of these larger bands do, that have classier fanzines.
In regards to the price, I can appreciate what has been said about $6+ being
expensive for a single issue of the fanzine (of dated material). But as was
mentioned, all the big publications sell TONs of ad space which pays for a
good portion of the magazines that you can subscribe to for $15-$20. Being
in the printing industry, I can assure you it is NOT as cheap as you might
think to print a ~32 page magazine without ANY sponsorship, let alone one
that has a small print-run! The more issues you print, the cheaper each
issue is.
And in regards to the price increase, I don't know what the Dutch fan club
was charging for a subscription to ToD before becoming the official fanzine,
but one reason why the official fan club membership was cheaper was because
of the fanzine. Images and Words (the fanzine), while great, was bare bones!
The paper it was printed on was cheaper than what ToD is printed on; but
even more importantly ToD is in 4 color, which is gonna cost significantly
more than the 1 color printing that I&W had.
Scott
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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:23:27 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Vai new live CD - woohoo
Message-ID: <3B216C7F.D194B350@mol.com.mk>
Great news.
GO to this link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005KHEY/plainsongs/002-8996233-3588845
And look below at the section: "You may also be interested in these
items... " :o)
AND the below: "You may also be interested in these artists... "
Is OFB getting its recognition finally? :) Any opinions what might bring
the new G3 tour, will that help spread the voice around more, getting
more fans maybe?
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 12:54:10 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Scenes From Bear Tracks
Message-ID: <002b01c0f08f$75b29000$923736cb@PaulTadday>
Great clip...
It would have been even better if we could have actually heard some of the
new stuff that they're recording!!
;)
It was worth the download just to hear JM say more than 2 words!!
*L*
Was anyone else suprised with some of the cd's in their inspiration corner??
Megadeth's "RIP" and Metallica's "MOP", are DT going retro???
Paul.
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:57:30 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Scenes From Bear Tracks
Message-ID: <3B219EAA.EB2BC4EB@yunque.net>
um
did i miss something? could someone repost? i havent gotten this msg on my
jam...
maybe email me privately? whichever!?
Paul Tadday wrote:
> Great clip...
> It would have been even better if we could have actually heard some of the
> new stuff that they're recording!!
> ;)
>
> It was worth the download just to hear JM say more than 2 words!!
> *L*
>
> Was anyone else suprised with some of the cd's in their inspiration corner??
> Megadeth's "RIP" and Metallica's "MOP", are DT going retro???
>
> Paul.-
Carlos A. Alfaro
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:10:49 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Scenes From Bear Tracks
Message-ID: <000701c0f0a2$8cd03f40$424436cb@PaulTadday>
Check www.dreamtheater.net for the link.
----- Original Message -----
]From: Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez <calfaro@yunque.net>
>um did i miss something? could someone repost? i havent gotten this msg on
my
> jam...
> maybe email me privately? whichever!?
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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:21:24 -0600
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: more fan club & Iced Earth
Message-ID: <B7472A94.F95%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
on 6/8/01 2:18 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
>
> Besides,just out of curiosity,what do other fanclubs offer and at what
> price?
> I had a friend that wanted to join the metallica club and subscription fees
> were outrageous.Got no idea what they offer but i don't think they have
> an exclusive fan club cd in the deal.
>
> laterz
I looked into metallica's once. The big head, filthy rich fuckers want
something like $40 to join, and they do offer a special fan club CD once a
year. But to get it you have to 1. be in the fan club and 2. fork over
another $40-$50 to buy it.
So I guess when you look at it that way, yes we are spoiled.
> hey, while you're at it, how about a review of the band itself. i've
> heard so much about them, but have no frickin' idea what they sound like.
> i passed over them a few times in the store, because i knew nothing about
> them at all. let's hear it.
>
I have "The Dark Saga," and I love it. It is a Spawn concept album. I
didn't even keep up with the comic, but I know just enough to enjoy the CD.
I'm not a musician so I can't review it for you in that aspect, but the
music ranges from moderately heavy to heavy. It reminds me of Sonata
Arctica, mixing the slow in with the fast and heavy. And I love the lead
singers voice.
I also have their first CD, didn't enjoy that one at all. Different singer
and style.
So is the Monster CD out? That concept sounded really cool... anybody have
it if it is?
-corvin
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:51:48 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Iced Earth
Message-ID: <000701c0f0a8$46d351c0$424436cb@PaulTadday>
I have their last studio album, "Something Wicked This Way Comes", which is
a great
heavy metal cd. Very melodic in sections, somewhat "maidenish" but heavier!
Matt Barlow has a great, dynamic voice. Perfect for metal.
Their live cd "Alive In Athens" is guess what?? A TRIPLE live cd and it's
awesome too!
I haven't heard anything from the new album yet, reviews have been positive
though.
Paul.
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:11:20 +0300
From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: more fan club & Iced Earth
Message-ID: <006401c0f0a2$c0d003c0$bddf6693@----->
>I have "The Dark Saga," and I love it. It is a Spawn concept album. I
>didn't even keep up with the comic, but I know just enough to enjoy the CD.
>I'm not a musician so I can't review it for you in that aspect, but the
>music ranges from moderately heavy to heavy. It reminds me of Sonata
>Arctica, mixing the slow in with the fast and heavy. And I love the lead
>singers voice.
>
>I also have their first CD, didn't enjoy that one at all. Different singer
>and style.
They slowed down after Burnt Offerings.Main man,rythm guitarist
John Schaffer claimed he's more mature in his writing and he doesn't
try to crank so many riffs in his songs.(why do all the bands i like have to
slow down..)
That's why i don't like Dark Saga and Something Wicked as much as
their older stuff.
I'd definately suggest "Days of Purgatory".It's a double cd with pre-Dark
Saga
songs, and the new singer in all of them.I don't know if the rest of the
instruments
were re-recorded.And for those of you that haven'y heard anything from the
old stuff
just check out one single song."Travel in Stygian"(from the purgatory
cd even though the old vocalist is not bad here either).
I can't say they're very original at what they do but they're really
passionate.
That's why "Alive in Athens",the triple cd ,is a great choice to get into
them.
Covers their whole discography up till Monster.At a tempting price too.
enjoy
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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 12:46:32 -0000
From: "Outo Alex" <this1sux2@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5876
Message-ID: <F77mE02MCNqcJPOgiJy00007abe@hotmail.com>
>Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 07:46:19 +0300
>From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
>To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: Re: DT Ringtones and vodka
>Message-ID: <003a01c0efd6$15ffcf60$38df6693@----->
>
>
>
>
> >
> >These are the couple of ones for Nokias
> >(I use the Ystejam... sounds pretty close)
> >
>
>
>Is there anything for Ericsson?I once tried to put Ytsejam but
>it sounded too slow.I haven't figured out how to play anything
>besides 4th or 8th notes.
>
> >Now if we wanted Vodka ads every other page in the fanzine we wouldnt
>have
> >to pay so much for it
>
>
>Maybe the spammers have some interesting offer to make?
>
>Besides,just out of curiosity,what do other fanclubs offer and at what
>price?
>I had a friend that wanted to join the metallica club and subscription fees
>were outrageous.Got no idea what they offer but i don't think they have
>an exclusive fan club cd in the deal.
>
>laterz
>
heya jammers!
this tune sure works in ericssons too..i think :)
it's "wait for sleep"
8d2 8g1 8c2 8d2 8g1 8d2 8g1 8c2
8d2 8g1 8d2 8g1 8c2 8d2 8g1 8f2
8g1 8d#2 8g1 8d2 8g1 8c2 8d2
8g1 8d#1 8d2 8g1 8c2 8d2 8g1
8d#1 8a#1 8c1 8a1 8a#1 8c1
8a1 8g1 8c1 8f1
-bd-
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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:00:18 +0200
From: Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: WfS for Ericsson
Message-ID: <3B223A02.F7ADB94@sdts.nu>
That tune seems to be in another syntax than what my phone (Ericsson R320=
s)
uses. So I made my own "wait for sleep for those with the same syntax as =
mine. I
made it straight from memory and I'm sure it's not even in the right key,=
but
it's easy to just raise/lower it to the right one. If you have any correc=
tions,
please let me know.
p a p g a p +c p #a g a p g A p a p g A p f p e F e D p C
-- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nuOuto Alex wrote:
> heya jammers! > this tune sure works in ericssons too..i think :) > it's "wait for sleep" > > 8d2 8g1 8c2 8d2 8g1 8d2 8g1 8c2 > 8d2 8g1 8d2 8g1 8c2 8d2 8g1 8f2 > 8g1 8d#2 8g1 8d2 8g1 8c2 8d2 > 8g1 8d#1 8d2 8g1 8c2 8d2 8g1 > 8d#1 8a#1 8c1 8a1 8a#1 8c1 > 8a1 8g1 8c1 8f1 > > -bd- > > _______________________________________________________________________= __ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.co= m.
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 12:40:20 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: G3 Tix Message-ID: <000b01c0f102$e0633300$faa0b2d0@inavarro>
Got my G3 Tix! WooHooo!
Wow, these are pricey. About $43 bucks plus $8 Ticket Bastard service charge = $51ea.! :(
I was on my way home from a business trip and calling the Ticktet Bastard from a pay phone in Dallas while waiting for my connection back to Balt. I called exactly at noon ET which is when TB said tix would go on sale. I knew the box office at the Warner would already be open so I had no illusions about being in the first 5 rows :(
Bummer about the advance I-Net sales I wish I had known. But I still did OK - Row N (15th), right side of Center Orchestra!
If JP takes his usual Stage Left position I will be psyched :) Check that, I'm AM psyched! This is guitarists nirvana!
I-Man
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Spys4Darwin? Message-ID: <20010609181434.74014.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com>
Any old Queesryche fans out there heard the Spys4Darwin recordings? It's a Chris DeGarmo project, with the rhythm section from Alice In Chains, and singer from Sponge.
Anybody have a review for us?
Here's their website BTW:
www.spys4darwin.com
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