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Today's Topics:
1) Re: FII etc.
by Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org>
2) great last jam
by Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
3) Clinic this saturday in The Hague (Netherlands)
by "Coenen, Marcel" <marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl>
4) Re: Clinic this saturday in The Hague (Netherlands)
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
5) Eve and instrumentals
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
6) Me and de ring
by Billy920@webtv.net
7) tour photos
by "Summer Schissel" <summer@anada.net>
8) Kevin Gilbert / XmasCD 2000
by Christoph Scholtes <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
9) Re: FII etc.
by JamesAhab@aol.com
10) query: Metal Mayhem?
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
11) Re: query: Metal Mayhem?
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
12) tenn jinn
by trevor hoit <trevorhoit@yahoo.com>
13) Shell Corporations
by baat344sl@altavista.net
14) Re: Re: DT News
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
15) Re: In defense of FII
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 22:47:15 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: FII etc.
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010501224231.04966620@pop.business.earthlink.net>
At 06:14 AM 5/1/2001, you wrote:
>I guess it's that dark mood and atmosphere that's still missing from
>DT nowadays and that makes people listen to I&W for the gazillionth
>time. I wonder if it's lost with the departure of Kevin or if they
>can bring it back someday? (Guys, are you listening? ;-))
Well, from what I've heard so far (LTE 1 and 2, SFaM, Jordan's "Listen") I
don't think Jordan has a dark, somber musical bone in his body. Musically,
he's amazingly talented, but he seems a bit limited in his emotional
spectrum in terms of composition.
~Chris
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 05:34:26 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: great last jam
Message-ID: <3AEFD4A2.F0E9A15B@optonline.com>
>> ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool
>
>LOL! Gotta love that cookie recipe!
I had a german friend translate it and I believe it's more of a pot
brownie or some such thing.
>So don't think that just because it's on the WB it's crap.
Hey, I got to read for the part of the guy opposite Nikki Cox in her new
show! Sure, I was thinking "But it's the WB..." but then I thought, "But
it's nikki cox!" and that ened that dilemma. Like it really mattered, my
chances of getting that part were negative 1 in a zillion and what they
ended up figuring out they were loooking for certainly wasn't me,
anyway.
>i am very interested in buying one (or two ...) and i live in
>spain ... could any of you help me??
Julio! Baby! Sure, i'll set you up! :D Hope you like yellow, cuz I'm
pretty much out of black. Go here:
http://www.numbersixdesign.net/ytseshirt.html
>It's good to see some people leaping to the defense of this potentially
fine CD.
I don't even think it even needs a defense. MP himself would probably
disagree, but so what? It was an excellent album. Nothing approaches
awake, and it's no M2 of course, but I tend to derive about equal
enjoyment from this and Images. I mean, New Millenium is great, LiTS is
great, Trial is ridiculously fucking good, Hell's Kitchen is simply fab.
Hollow Years, Anna Lee, and TAMP are pretty good for what they are.
Would I have preferred Speak to Me over any of those last three? of
course! I also would have liked to see To Live Forever(a PHENOMENAL
song) replace The Silent Man. Hey! What're ya gonna do? One way or
another, DT albums always have some slow shit on them that no one likes.
Suck it up! FII kicked ass. And btw, I really do prefer derek to jordan.
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:41:36 +0200
From: "Coenen, Marcel" <marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl>
To: "'test@test.nl'" <test@test.nl>
Subject: Clinic this saturday in The Hague (Netherlands)
Message-ID: <7B91E207F265D311866F0008C7F3785C0142C50E@iris.libertel-vs.nl>
Hello all !!
I will be doing a guitarclinic for Ibanez Guitars/Serlui BV in the shop
"Rockpalace" in The Hague (The Netherlands) this coming saturday (may 5th,
2001).
The clinic entrance is free of charge and starts around 11 o'clock and will
last until 13 o'clock (Dutch times, in the early afternoon)
I will play songs from my soloalbum "Guitartalk" and maybe some coversongs
as well, and ofcourse you can ask me questions about almost anything related
to playing guitar (style, technique, sound etc).
I hope to see some of you this saturday, if you want to know more about the
shop you can visit their official website at: http://www.rockpalace.com
There (in the FAQ) you will find the contactinfo and how to reach the shop.
For more information about me or to hear my songs you can go to:
http://www.marcelcoenen.com (my oficial homepage, feel free to sign my
guestbook there ;-)
http://www.mp3.com/marcelcoenen (to hear or download my solosongs you will
hear at the clinic)
Greetz
Marcel Coenen
Guitarist Sun Caged, Stormrider, Time Machine
ex-Lemur Voice
http://www.marcelcoenen.com
icq: 22168027
email: mcoenen@home.nl
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Date: 02 May 2001 10:51:40 +0100
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Clinic this saturday in The Hague (Netherlands)
Message-ID: <8666fkulhv.fsf@picsel.com>
"Coenen, Marcel" <marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl> writes:
> guitarclinic
> soloalbum
> coversongs
> ofcourse
> contactinfo
Hehe... I really love the way Dutch people keep sticking words
together.
(No offence, Marcel - I just find it funny!)
--
Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd
graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 03:11:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Eve and instrumentals
Message-ID: <20010502101133.20250.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com>
I saw on the last jam where someone said that Eve was
the best DT instrumental. Don't get me wrong, I like
Eve, but if you think thats their best instrumental,
why the hell do you listen to DT?????? Just listen to
St. Elmo's Fire if thats what you like. I love DT
BECAUSE they do crazy instrumentals and crazy parts
because not many bands do that nowadays.
=====
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1657-B Elm Ct.
Ft. Gordon, GA 30905
(706) 790-8937
Go visit my website! http://home.talkcity.com/HeadbangersHwy/funkygroove/index.html
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:34:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Billy920@webtv.net
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Me and de ring
Message-ID: <17009-3AEFF0E1-32@storefull-176.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Hey Jammers,
Just registering my opinions on a couple of recent topics. First
Radiohead is the shit !
Being a huge Pink Floyd fan and part time electronic listener I think RH
is quite innovative.
I also dig U2, I find a lot of their music to be spiritual, not just
political. Rattle and Hum is still one of my fav home videos. However
Rage against the machine doesn't impress me much
( except for Mr. Morello, who reminds me of Hendrix in an experimental
sort of way )
I just can't get past the " repeat 2 lines 15 times and call it
political lyrics " shit that the singer is so fond of ( can't think of
his name, LaRoche ?)
No matter the inspiration for a new album since I'm sure it will be
another masterpiece, I would just like to hear some boundary pushing
progressive music as opposed to Awake 2 or FII 2 or I&W 2 for that
matter. Not that DTs previous offerings didn't push boundaries but to
attempt a recreation would simply be using a template for an album, and
I believe that's been tried before ( re-load or just about any 2nd album
from a pop act )
As far as Spam is concerned I still think it's worse having to scroll
down through messages with 3 other previous messages added on.
Hell just copy a line relevant to your point or just say "Billy is a
dumbass because he ... "
Although I did rather enjoy the Hot Asian Girls
at the top oft he last Jam. Members only or free for all doesn't really
matter to me as long as it's not the "members" clogging up the Jam with
redundancy. Unless you count pointless meandering as Jam fodder, in
which case I guess I'm guilty. Oh well enough gibberish from one who
doesn't really know.
Have a Day Y'all Billy
np The John Boy and Billy Big Show
" Y'know the way I see it anytime is Yuk it up time " John Boy
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:01:17 -0500
From: "Summer Schissel" <summer@anada.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: tour photos
Message-ID: <000c01c0d2ff$98261560$c02d0b18@dubuq1.ia.home.com>
> So has anyone been able to spot themselves in the tour photos? <g> Keith
> thinks he may have, but I say we need to watch on a bigger TV to know for
> sure. ;)
I found myself and my friend in the Milwaukee pic :) But that's only
because when you're hunting for someone wearing olive green in a crowd of
black shirts, it's not that difficult. Likewise with my hair, which is two
different colors and was decently visible on my 25" tv.
Needless to say, I marked out like a little bitch, even though we were just
kinda colored blobs.
Fourth row stage left when your tickets were for seats kissing the wall
RULES,
--summer
`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
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The Anada Music Project: http://music.anada.net
e-mail: gloomchen@anada.net
AIM: demonicpikachu
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:54:18 +0200 (MEST)
From: Christoph Scholtes <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Kevin Gilbert / XmasCD 2000
Message-ID: <4257.988811658@www24.gmx.net>
Hi Steffen, hi all!
> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:48:55 +0200
> From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
> just have some time left to once again post to the Ytsespam...
Oh, you have? I hope I can hold the Fanclub CD in my hands when I come home
today.
If not... ;))))
> If Kevin Gilbert, who accidentally killed himself in 96, just days
> after he agreed to produce the DT album, would come back to life for
> just an hour, I guess I would spend this hour just slapping him on
> the head all the time, just for being so stupid. This guy was one of
> the most talented musicians, producers, songwriters (you name it) of
> his generation, and one could only imagine what he would have done
> for the FII material if he would have had a chance.
Fully agreed! Kevin Gilbert really was something special. Of course a good
question is: what would FII have sounded like, when he'd have produced it. I
think that it would have been even more into the progressive rock direction
also including many pop elements.
BUT (before some of you start to vomit on the screen *g*)...that would have
been much more tasteful and sophisticated than anything that ended up on FII.
Listen to KGs music and you'll realize that hes done the most sophisticated
pop/rock music on earth, not to mention his unbelievable production skills.
Really, really a pity that he left us so early.
> Oh, BTW, regarding the 2000 Xmas CD, please be patient, they are on
> the way to the US and will be shipped to you all ASAP. After all
> those delays you can wait a few more FUCKING DAYS, RIGHT?
In technical terms its called "reimport", right? ;)
Greetings,
Christoph
--
GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet.
http://www.gmx.net
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:11:45 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: FII etc.
Message-ID: <e0.1406633a.28218bc1@aol.com>
>< Well, from what I've heard so far (LTE 1 and 2, SFaM, Jordan's "Listen")
I don't think Jordan has a dark, somber musical bone in his body. Musically,
he's amazingly talented, but he seems a bit limited in his emotional spectrum
in terms of composition. ><
It doesn't have to be dark to be emotional. Jordan's music is emotioinal.
It's happy.
Anyway, according to DT on the commentary, Finally Free was mainly a Jordan
piece, and I find parts of that to be particularly dark and somber.
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Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:12:32 -0400
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: query: Metal Mayhem?
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010502140807.00b2d960@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Got a query for those of you who buy lots of obscure metal stuff. I'm
looking for a couple of discs on CD that I already own on tape but now
appear to be out of print. I've found both at Metal Mayhem (
http://www.metalmayhem.com ) but I've not dealt with these folk before.
Are they a good reliable business?
Denis Gulbey from Sentinel Steel suggested them, so I'd guess they're
legit, but some 'jammer recommendations would be nice too.
One other thing. They're kind of expensive ($25 for each of the discs I'm
looking for) so if somebody knows a good place to find Jennifer Batten's
"Above Below and Beyond" and Vinnie Moore's "Meltdown", let me know.
Semi-prog content: So far I've seen a couple people mentioning that they'll
be at the Fates Warning / Savatage show on May 16th in Atlanta. Let's get a
show of hands: who's gonna be there besides me?
cheers,
Phil
================================================
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:30:48 -0400
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: query: Metal Mayhem?
Message-ID: <00de01c0d336$02233390$efe1f240@crp.org>
I'd avoid MetalMayhem as much as possible. They are way overpriced, trying
to cash in on people looking for OOP stuff.
Gemm.com has the Jennifer Batten disc starting at $8.82 and the Vinnie Moore
starting at $6.95.
Half.com has the Vinnie Moore starting at $5.98.
joe
np. Ark - Burn the Sun
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:27:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: trevor hoit <trevorhoit@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: tenn jinn
Message-ID: <20010502192757.27571.qmail@web615.mail.yahoo.com>
np - tenn jinn: as on a darkling plain (anybody wanna
buy this cd? its really getting on my nerves)
No, but if anyone has a used copy of his other one-
"Wildman", I'll take it.
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:48:39 -0400
From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Re: DT News
Message-ID: <F16FB54234F35D11EA320005B8CC831F@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
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Rob Pociluk wrote:<BR>
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:00:03 -0400
From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: In defense of FII
Message-ID: <946FB54234F35D11EA320005B8CC831F@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I have never understood why people dismiss this album. It's different t=
han the others but no
more so that any of them are different from each other. I don't want t=
he same disc over and
over. FII is quite prog, thanks. "New Millenium", "Lines In The Sand"=
, "Peruvian Skies" etc.
And I fucking love "You Not Me". PERIOD! I will defend that fucker qu=
icker than anyone,
including the band! :) The hook is awesome. Yes, it's poprock...but I=
happen to like good
poprock which this DEFINITELY is.
Kevin Shirley is a top rate producer too. I keep reading posts slaggin=
g this guy for having
something EQ'd wrong or a highhat is too loud or some shit. Blah blah =
blah! C'mon! This is
a densely recorded CD and BTW, it's what the band backed. I seem to re=
call them saying it
was their best effort ever. Typical new album hype? And now we hear =
that the CD should
have been done differently. No biggie. I love all the songs that didn=
't make it. "Speak To Me"
is one of the best tunes they've ever done! At least, we have it avail=
able. FII is a necessary
CD and a solid one. End of rant. I had to do it.
Rob
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Sent: Tue, 1 May 2001 06:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: In defense of FII
It's good to see some people leaping to the defense of this potentially=
fine CD.
I say potentially because of what FII was truly MEANt to be - based on =
the
FII demos that are on http://dreamtheater.mit.edu. =A0If you haven't he=
ard
these, you owe it to yourself to check them out. =A0I swear, Kevin Shir=
ley
sure knows how to run a board, but as a producer he makes some really
lousy choices, and it seems as though for some reason he was TRYING to
make FII weaker.
Most of the FII demos are FAR superior to their album counterparts. =A0=
the
only exceptions in my mind are You Not Me and Lines in the Sand; You NO=
T
Me is a VAST improvemnt over You OR Me (although there are still
individual pieces of You Or Me that I like better). =A0Lines in the San=
d is
just perfect on the CD, and I believe DT's best song (I would say it's
Finally Free, but it loses something when taken out of the SFaM context=
).
I love the extra lyrics in the bridge and verse of the Hollow Years dem=
o.
and what Shirley did to Take Away My Pain is just unforgivable. =A0Howe=
ver,
getting Hell's Kitchen out of the middle of Burning My Soul and making =
it
its own song was definitely a good idea - and it became DT's second-bes=
t
instrumental (after Eve).
The performances on the demos are often better as well. =A0I know Kevin=
Shirley disliked James's vibrato. =A0Stupid pop producer. =A0Just becau=
se he's
used to working with one kind of singer doesn't mean that's all there i=
s.
I also can't believe that some of the songs cut were some of what I
believe are DT strongest songs ever. =A0I would have rather heard The W=
ay it
Used to Be and/or Speak To Me than Just Let Me Breathe and/or Anna Lee
(even though I like Anna Lee).
Until SFaM, FII was hands-down my favorite DT CD. =A0Now that SFaM is h=
ere,
I still don't know which I like better.
I won't rehash any Jordan/Derek arguments here - it's a banned topic, a=
nd
I think many people here already know how I feel about that issue.
So, FII rules, Jordan sucks, Shirley sucks worse. =A0Yup, that's it. =A0=
I feel
beter.
Steve Z
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