YTSEJAM Digest 5840
Today's Topics:
1) Hot Japanese Schoolgirls Bare It All vwqpw
by replyhere3@flashmailbox.com
2) Re: Metropolis DVD -=-=- SPOILER ALERT -=-=-
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
3) Re: Metropolis DVD -=-=- SPOILER ALERT -=-=-
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
4) Re: RE: DT News
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
5) FII etc.
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
6) Metropolis DVD -=-=- SPOILER ALERT -=-=-
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
7) In defense of FII
by Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) excuse me ... (ytseshirt)
by "Julio =?iso-8859-1?B?RnVjafFvcw==?=" <bodhi_@ingenieros.com>
9) why not keep going?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
10) Re: why not keep going?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
11) Re: inspiration corner
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) Re: inspiration corner
by JamesAhab@aol.com
13) Re: DT News
by Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
14) *The* DVD
by "Jennifer" <jenibear@usa.net>
15) DVD minor spoilers
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
16) Filters? Who needs stinking filters
by "Jack Szumski" <dtfanjack@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
17) Re: why not keep going? (OT)
by JamesAhab@aol.com
18) DVD review
by cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:34:40 +1100
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Subject: Hot Japanese Schoolgirls Bare It All vwqpw
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:50:40 +0200
From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Metropolis DVD -=-=- SPOILER ALERT -=-=-
Message-ID: <4.1.20010430224319.00925bf0@mail.muc.de>
It's kinda ironic that I of all people would start a thread about weapons :-)
In the meantime I learned (by listening to the commentary track on the DVD) that
MP had to "work with what he got", which explains some of the gaffs but still
looks lousy and cheap. I'm known to be a purist and perfectionist and therefore
believe it would have been better not to include any movie parts at all than do
some amateurish attempt at remaking "Dead again". I prefer 2 hours of Mike's
drumsolos to 2 minutes of bad acting and worse camera work.
later - jerry
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 02:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Metropolis DVD -=-=- SPOILER ALERT -=-=- Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0105010235200.27725-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Andreas Schaefer wrote:
> It's kinda ironic that I of all people would start a thread about > weapons :-) In the meantime I learned (by listening to the commentary > track on the DVD) that MP had to "work with what he got", which > explains some of the gaffs but still looks lousy and cheap. I'm known > to be a purist and perfectionist and therefore believe it would have > been better not to include any movie parts at all than do some > amateurish attempt at remaking "Dead again". I prefer 2 hours of > Mike's drumsolos to 2 minutes of bad acting and worse camera work.
Well, I, for one, like the film noir-ish way that the acting was done. Granted, there are some things that are off, but that doesn't make it a horrible sight to behold. Nobody is perfect, and Kasper had limited time and even more limited funds with which to record the film sequences. When you're working with a limited budget, you have to make some sacrifices, and I mean, hell, look at Star Wars. There were mistakes all over that when it first came out, but that doesn't mean it's not good.
> ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool
LOL! Gotta love that cookie recipe!
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Never pet a burning dog. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:21:57 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: RE: DT News Message-ID: <3964A5EDC0E35D11EA430005B8CC2FBF@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Radiohead is great, so I disagree. I am not surprised that folks on the= list either don't "get" Radiohead or just haven't tried. "Kid A" is a great CD but a very challenging one. I can hear some of "OK Computer= " in M2 but it nothing overwhelming.
Rob ---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:39:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: DT News
=09> I REALLY hope they don't get any inspiration from the unbelievable=
crap (IMO =09> that is "Radiohead", "U2" and "Rage Against The Machine".
Agree ! =A0Those 3 have to GO
> -----Original Message----- > From:=09Robert Muise [SMTP:robbm@primushost.com] > Sent:=09Friday, April 27, 2001 10:50 PM > To:=09Multiple recipients of list > Subject:=09Re: DT News > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, sdts@sdts.nu wrote: > > > > > Robert Muise wrote the following about the inspiration corner: > > > > > shit... I don't like/listen to any of those bands.... > > > > > > sucks to be me... > > > > I'm happy to see some heavier bands in the inspiration corner this = time, > =3D > > but I > > REALLY hope they don't get any inspiration from the unbelievable cr= ap > (IM=3D > > O) that is > > "Radiohead", "U2" and "Rage Against The Machine". > > I agree
---- End Original Message ----
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:48:55 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: FII etc. Message-ID: <p04330100b7145662b7b0@[192.168.1.155]>
Hi there,
just have some time left to once again post to the Ytsespam...
>the Sand", "Trial of Tears" or "New Millennium". The only >things wrong with FII - to my mind - were Burning My Soul >(awesome for the first minute, and then they ran out of >inspiration, seems to me), You Not Me (just shit, >basically), and the fact that "Anna Lee" made the cut, >when "Speak To Me", "Raise The Knife" (incidentally, is >someone EVER going to put the lyrics to that in the DT >Songbook for those of us who don't know them?!?!) and >TWiUtB were dropped. And I'm NOT being sarcastic.
The only thing that was wrong with FII was compromises, compromises, compromises. If they didn't have had the pressure from the label (and partly themselves), and another producer who wouldn't care for commercial song structures (see rearrangement of LITS) and wouldn't bring in Desmond Child (YUCK!), the whole album would have sounded totally different.
I still think the songs from that period were absolutely great, it's just what ended up on FII at the end that, well, sucked. It was a real joy to work on the outtakes for the 1999 Xmas CD, even in this rough demo stage those songs were just great.
(BTW, you call yourself a DT fan and don't have this CD? If you had, and would look into the booklet, there are the lyrics to all songs, including Raise The Knife. Transcribing all this stuff drove us mad, believe me ;-))
If Kevin Gilbert, who accidentally killed himself in 96, just days after he agreed to produce the DT album, would come back to life for just an hour, I guess I would spend this hour just slapping him on the head all the time, just for being so stupid. This guy was one of the most talented musicians, producers, songwriters (you name it) of his generation, and one could only imagine what he would have done for the FII material if he would have had a chance.
(If you never heard of him, just go to kevingilbert.com and listen. If there ever was something like progressive pop, he made it. His two solo albums (Thud from 1995, best singer/songwriter stuff I ever heard and the concept album The Shaming Of The True, finished and released after his death) are just excellent.)
(stepping down from soapbox)
(and now for something completely different)
>AS for the stuff about Pantera, I think TGSTK is their >worst album ever (although I never had enough courage >to listen to REinventing the steel) - except for their
Give it a try, it's much better than Trendkill.
>makes you ask yourself if you're already awake or if >you're still in this bloody nightmare where you french >kiss a french politician...) ... and believe it or not
I wonder what Sigmund Freud would have had to say about stuff like that...
>And as for DT, i'd REALLY like another awake... just >think "Space-Dye vest" is the best DT-song ever. >Although it's more Kev's effort than DT's ;-).
I guess it's that dark mood and atmosphere that's still missing from DT nowadays and that makes people listen to I&W for the gazillionth time. I wonder if it's lost with the departure of Kevin or if they can bring it back someday? (Guys, are you listening? ;-))
BTW, I think you are all wimps.
DT are at their very best when they are really heavy. I guess I would have never given them a chance if WDADU wouldn't have started with this shredding riff from AFIL. ;-) Seriously, if I'd make a mix tape, it would be filled with the heavy and progressive shit like 6:00, New Millennium, Metropolis, or Beyond This Life. Which, BTW, is maybe the best track on SFAM. I just love this heavy-as-shit riff, the hysterical solos and the whole song structure. There you are.
Oh, BTW, regarding the 2000 Xmas CD, please be patient, they are on the way to the US and will be shipped to you all ASAP. After all those delays you can wait a few more FUCKING DAYS, RIGHT?
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:02:56 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Metropolis DVD -=-=- SPOILER ALERT -=-=- Message-ID: <00a401c0d23f$0b44ba40$114636cb@PaulTadday>
Just received my copy of the PAL version from Bensons... No sign of any synch probs at all. I've watched the thing inside out! I have but two words to use with which to describe what I feel about this dvd...
~*spoiler... get ready for it*~
HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!
~ahem... excuse my French but I think I've shot my bolt at least a dozen times so far!! *L*
This has far exceeded any expectations that I had. Musically the guys are ALL ON!! This is a much tighter band than we saw on 5YIAL. Jordan fits DT 10 times better than Derek, and I liked Derek's style. But Jordan blows Derek right out of the water live. He sounds much more at home playing the earlier stuff than Derek ever did.
James has really impressed me also. His stage prescence and live vocal ability seems to be really kicking arse! The backup vocals from JP and MP also have vastly improved IMO.
All in all I can't fault this dvd at all. I've watched it back to front twice so far. Love it!
-Paul.
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:22:45 -0400 From: Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: In defense of FII Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.31L.02.0105010846270.1232-100000@irix1.gl.umbc.edu>
It's good to see some people leaping to the defense of this potentially fine CD.
I say potentially because of what FII was truly MEANt to be - based on the FII demos that are on http://dreamtheater.mit.edu. If you haven't heard these, you owe it to yourself to check them out. I swear, Kevin Shirley sure knows how to run a board, but as a producer he makes some really lousy choices, and it seems as though for some reason he was TRYING to make FII weaker.
Most of the FII demos are FAR superior to their album counterparts. the only exceptions in my mind are You Not Me and Lines in the Sand; You NOT Me is a VAST improvemnt over You OR Me (although there are still individual pieces of You Or Me that I like better). Lines in the Sand is just perfect on the CD, and I believe DT's best song (I would say it's Finally Free, but it loses something when taken out of the SFaM context).
I love the extra lyrics in the bridge and verse of the Hollow Years demo. and what Shirley did to Take Away My Pain is just unforgivable. However, getting Hell's Kitchen out of the middle of Burning My Soul and making it its own song was definitely a good idea - and it became DT's second-best instrumental (after Eve).
The performances on the demos are often better as well. I know Kevin Shirley disliked James's vibrato. Stupid pop producer. Just because he's used to working with one kind of singer doesn't mean that's all there is.
I also can't believe that some of the songs cut were some of what I believe are DT strongest songs ever. I would have rather heard The Way it Used to Be and/or Speak To Me than Just Let Me Breathe and/or Anna Lee (even though I like Anna Lee).
Until SFaM, FII was hands-down my favorite DT CD. Now that SFaM is here, I still don't know which I like better.
I won't rehash any Jordan/Derek arguments here - it's a banned topic, and I think many people here already know how I feel about that issue.
So, FII rules, Jordan sucks, Shirley sucks worse. Yup, that's it. I feel beter.
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:51:02 +0100 From: "Julio =?iso-8859-1?B?RnVjafFvcw==?=" <bodhi_@ingenieros.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: excuse me ... (ytseshirt) Message-ID: <410B0D34E2E35D115A470005B827FC22@bodhi_.ingenieros.com>
hi there !!
sorry if i am a bit late ...
i have come back since a pair of months without an internet connection available, so i think i have missed the opportunity of ordering a (really great !) ytseshirt ... can i buy one of them? i think that the guy who was leading that business was joshua ... ate ypou out there? ;)
i am very interested in buying one (or two ...) and i live in spain ... could any of you help me??
thanks a lot
julio fucinos asorey bodhi_@ingenieros.com
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: why not keep going? Message-ID: <20010501142258.9181.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com>
>a scene of two teenaged girls in a bedroom...and the >music in the background is.....Buckethead.....a DT >SFAM poster
Why not watch the rest of it? If they have any DT reference at all, I'd keep going to see what they have to say.....like that show "Freaks and Geeks" that was on NBC for one season, the first time I came across it, one of the characters was drumming along (badly) to Rush's The Spirit of Radio....I watched that sho until it went off the air, and still catch the reruns on cable sometimes
for what it's worth, Roswell is supposed to be "Good TV". Naturally, critical acclaim and Dream Theater sightings (about as rare as alien sightings on TV) mean that that show will probably be cancelled after just the one season.
Partha
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:39:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: why not keep going? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0105011037090.5572-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 1 May 2001, Partha Mukhopadhyay wrote:
> >a scene of two teenaged girls in a bedroom...and the > >music in the background is.....Buckethead.....a DT > >SFAM poster > > for what it's worth, Roswell is supposed to be "Good TV". Naturally, > critical acclaim and Dream Theater sightings (about as rare as alien > sightings on TV) mean that that show will probably be cancelled after > just the one season.
Roswell is a wonderful show. And not only has it already survived for two full seasons, I believe it's scheduled to be continued for another. Don't quote me on that, but I think I'm right.
It really is a good show, even though it is about high school kids. This is obviously an odd premise, considering it involves aliens, but it deals with important subjects, such as loyalty, friendship, performance under pressure, and in last week's episode they were dealing with the death of one of the main characters (I was absolutely shocked that he died, too, he was my favorite of them all); in addition, it looks like he may have even committed suicide. So don't think that just because it's on the WB it's crap.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Once I wept for I had no shoes, and then I met a man who had no feet. So I took his shoes. I mean, it's not like HE needed them, right? -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:00:50 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: inspiration corner Message-ID: <cc.143840ed.282037b2@aol.com>
There's a difference between inspiration and influence. I wonder if those albums inspire DT to write/record, or if those are styles they have in mind for what they're doing. I know when I hear good music, I'm inspired to play or write, but it may not necessarily be in that style.
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:22:51 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: inspiration corner Message-ID: <67.13853c6e.28203cdb@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/29/2001 9:21:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dreamryche@bigpond.com writes:
<< I must admit, the whole comparison of Home to Forty Six and Two is what got me into Tool! I'm a huge Tool fan these days!! >>
Speaking of Tool, just heard the news. King Crimson and Tool touring together. That should be something.
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:18:16 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT News Message-ID: <3AEEEFD8.51EA91B7@sdts.nu>
Rob Pociluk wrote:
> Radiohead is great, so I disagree. I am not surprised that folks on th= e=3D > list either don't "get" Radiohead or just haven't tried.
You forgot the category of people who "get" Radiohead, and still thinks t= hey suck. :-) -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:00:04 -0700 From: "Jennifer" <jenibear@usa.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: *The* DVD Message-ID: <000101c0d28a$139dc380$927ba8c0@24.0.0.76>
Okay, I had to come out of lurkdom again temporarily to say we saw "Scenes from NY" last night and WOW! I loved the extra video footage, the acting out of some parts on stage, and the extra singers - it was just so *full*. (My one complaint, though, is that the hypnotist did not have the appropriate soothing voice, IMO.)
I also thought it was very cool to see that one of the fans interviewed for the documentary was a woman.
We had a small get together in honor of this major event. <g> We invited a friend of ours (he's into prog-like stuff and Keith's working on making a DT fan of him), his spouse (she's not into prog, but she was a good sport to come), and our friend brought a friend of his who already is a DT fan.
So has anyone been able to spot themselves in the tour photos? <g> Keith thinks he may have, but I say we need to watch on a bigger TV to know for sure. ;)
Jen
{~._.~} the moment I jumped off of it ( Y ) was the moment I touched down... ()~*~() MORISSETTE (_)-(_)
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:48:50 -0400 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DVD minor spoilers Message-ID: <3AEF3D52.73D12D31@seacoast.com>
Finally got to watch all the behind the scenes stuff, pretty cool, Saw a Skadz sighting during the Fans section at the ticket window I think, funny
the commentary is great
later Bob
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:25:55 -0400 From: "Jack Szumski" <dtfanjack@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Filters? Who needs stinking filters Message-ID: <2FC90981B5E35D11EAF10005B8ACB252@dtfanjack.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Skadz, the #5838 digest just cracked me up. I have no desire to read all the spam so I bought a mouse with scroll wheel. Suggest others may upgrade if they feel the same. And no doubt the gun in the DVD was out of date, I would have suggested using a Star Trek Phaser, that would have been killer. All for now, ytseregards.
"The Changes they seek aren't for Me" - Glass Harp 1970
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:49:44 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: why not keep going? (OT) Message-ID: <64.d9ee0c9.2820c1b8@aol.com>
>< Roswell is a wonderful show. And not only has it already survived for two full seasons, I believe it's scheduled to be continued for another. Don't quote me on that, but I think I'm right. It really is a good show, even though it is about high school kids. ><
The only good teen drama/angst show that was the least bit good was my so-called life. very true to life. no gimmicky stories. the only good move ever by mtv was rerunning this.
i like freaks and geeks, but i would call it more of a comedy. its nice to know that it still lives on in the happy land of cable re-runs. which makes me think of sports night. why are all the good shows cancelled?
jim
np - tenn jinn: as on a darkling plain (anybody wanna buy this cd? its really getting on my nerves)
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Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:23:39 -0700 From: cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DVD review Message-ID: <3AEF6FAB.7B30AE7F@earthlink.net>
OK, I'm an evil jammer and rarely read the digest, so I have no idea if this has been posted or not. But this is a must read :-)
http://www.knac.com/servlet/Rev_Page?reviewID=12918
cheryl
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