YTSEJAM Digest 5843
Today's Topics:
1) To Live Forever/Lie single
by Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
2) Eternity X
by Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
3) More good tour news for Australians
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
4) Fan Club CD w/RTK
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
5) RE: great last jam
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
6) Jordan, Asian girls, etc.
by Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
7) RE: Jordan, Asian girls, etc.
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
8) Re: More good tour news for Australians
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
9) RE: To Live Forever/Lie single
by "Nick Bogovich" <bogie@schliz.com>
10) Birthday
by "Szabolcs Gergely" <gergely_szabolcsk@hotmail.com>
11) early Pantera albums
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
12) porcupine tree
by "Jenny Kim" <echolucretia@hotmail.com>
13) Mr BUNGLE
by "Stephen Gervois" <stephen.gervois@free.fr>
14) Re: porcupine tree
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
15) Re: porcupine tree
by Mike Pelarski <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
16) RE: porcupine tree
by David Dixon <dixon@iis.com>
17) Re: porcupine tree
by Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
18) Geezer
by Billy920@webtv.net
19) Re: porcupine tree
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:13:25 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: To Live Forever/Lie single
Message-ID: <3AF25695.21929B25@optonline.com>
>OK, I give up! Where on earth can I get a copy of StM or TLF, or any
of
>those other non-album songs? Also, does anyone know where I can
purchase
>the DT singles for Lie, Hollow Years, et cetera?
I just checked on Amazon, and most of them are on there. Hollow Years,
Through Her Eyes, and Silent Man.
However, TLF - at least the studio version - is only available on the
Lie single, which is pretty rare. I happened to land a copy, totally
unaware of it's scarcity, several years ago in a used cd store. i've
never seen it since and I've heard it sells for $50. glad I nabbed it!
:)
TLF is also ALL OVER the audition tape, which is a great listen. Yes
it's a bootleg, but it's certainly not stuff you're gonna be buying, so
don't fret that.
I'm not sure but I don't think Speak To Me is on any official release.
Not sure though. Definitely get the Hollow Years one though, it's got
TWIUTB and the original You OR Me.
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:42:42 +0930
From: Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Eternity X
Message-ID: <61BA286C6C56D11187B50000E83A13CB31740A@EDDIE>
> From: Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org>
>
> >NP: Eternity X - The Edge (more emotion than you can poke a stick at)
>
> Is that the same band who did "Zodiac"? -- I couldn't even get through
that
> album once due to the cheeze factor. Is this one better?
I'm not too sure, coz this is the only album I've got by them, and
I must say I think its an amazing album. I bought it after seeing
it on heaps of peoples Top10 ProgMetal lists, along with alot of my
own favourite albums, so suspected they knew something I didn't.
BTW, I've just created a Progressive Metal web-based forum if anyones
interested. I've set it up with a few separate ProgMetal bands so that
some specific band discussion can be compartmentalised.
Check it out if you'd like to help me get it started..
http://pub66.ezboard.com/bprogmetal73376
Cheers
Paul
NP: Dali's Dilemma - Manifesto For Futurism
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 18:41:41 +1000
From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: More good tour news for Australians
Message-ID: <3AF26B45.2414F2D8@alphalink.com.au>
As you may know the Ultimate Drummers Weekend is being held
in Melbourne at the start of June. It looks really really cool.
Im not a drummer but I might go down just for the concerts- Dave
Lombardo, Virgil Donati, Chad Wackerman, Planet X and heaps of
others.
Also Eric Johnson will be touring all over Australia. I know he plays Melbourne
on the 23rd.
Plus Megadeth in August.
Looks like being a good year if you're into all this sort of stuff.
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Date: 4 May 2001 11:16:13 -0000
From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Fan Club CD w/RTK
Message-ID: <20010504111613.32572.qmail@meowmix.chek.com>
>From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror
>Subject: FII etc.
>Message-ID: <p04330100b7145662b7b0@[192.168.1.155]>
>It was a real joy to work on the outtakes for the 1999
>Xmas CD, even in this rough demo stage those songs were
>just great.
>
>(BTW, you call yourself a DT fan and don't have this CD?
>If you had, and would look into the booklet, there are
>the lyrics to all songs, including Raise The Knife.
Yah, I know; I kept putting off joining DTiFC, and it just got past me. I'm hoping that Mike's gonna make good the idea of selling them through UACM some day. :(
~SJD
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:12:32 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: great last jam
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33B8F@ISDCRE00>
If you look on www.MikePortnoy.com and Cdnow.com and Amazon.com, you'll be
able to find most of what you are looking for but not all. You'll have to
download some MP3's of other items you'll miss out on.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dark Majesty [SMTP:shadow_majesty@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:04 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: great last jam
>
>
> OK, I give up! Where on earth can I get a copy of StM or TLF, or any of
> those other non-album songs? Also, does anyone know where I can purchase
> the DT singles for Lie, Hollow Years, et cetera? I am very interested in
> buying all of DT's non-album material, but I don't want to buy any
> bootlegs,
> just the commercially available stuff.
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> --96
>
> ><Would I have preferred Speak to Me over any of those last three? of
> course! I also would have liked to see To Live Forever(a PHENOMENAL
> song) replace The Silent Man.><
>
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:09:42 -0400
From: Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Jordan, Asian girls, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.31L.02.0105040849200.450982-100000@irix1.gl.umbc.edu>
> At 09:23 AM 5/2/2001, you wrote:
> >It doesn't have to be dark to be emotional. Jordan's music is emotioinal.
> >It's happy.
>
> "limited emotional spectrum" doesn't mean "unemotional" -- He's limited to
> happier tunes.
I don't necessarily agree that Jordan is limited to the happy stuff.
I mean, sure, the majority of his stuff sounds like goddamn Super Mario
Brothers or something. Let's not forget, though, that Jordan wrote the
intro to "When the Water Breaks" - the music box/piano intro is certainly
somber and dark. and the main riff is equally dark, and heavy heavy
heavy.
But as long as he keeps writing music like WtWB and Finally Free, I'll
take all the plinkety-plink suff he can dish out.
> >Anyway, according to DT on the commentary, Finally Free was mainly a Jordan
> >piece, and I find parts of that to be particularly dark and somber.
>
> The lyrics are certainly dark, but the music isn't too dark. Heck, the
> chorus with slightly different words could be a love song...
You think? I think the chord progression to the chorus of Finally Free is
some of the most simultaneously beautiful and depressing music I've ever
heard. I mean right up there with Barber's Adagio. When everything stops
and it's just James and John singing and playing acoustic, I just wanna
slash my wrists. In a good way. :)
And the first time the chorus comes in , it IS a love song. ;)
> I'd love to clog up some Asian Girls with my member.
You know, I *almost* went there... :)
> I think his parts in Finally Free, specifically the chimes, are
> suitably dark and sinister.
Agreed, 100%, Graham.
> Im not sure if he, as producer had anything to do with choosing who
> got more "screen time" but i noticed that in this DVD Mikey doesnt get
> as much screen time as on other discs!!
> Shy maybe?
> :)
Yeah, Portnoy is shy. heheheeh yeah, that's it. :)
*** DVD SPOILERS ***
> I have the DVD now and I am wondering how many easter egg kindof hidden
> things there are. I found one (keywords: hypnotist acting), and I wonder
> if there's more. I seem to miss some of the 190 total minutes.
You know what a nerd I am? I bought the VHS and DVD on the day they came
out. And I don't own a DVD player. I just got the VHS so I could watch
it right away. someday, I'll watch that DVD. :)
*** End Spoiler ***
uh...end post.
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:24:59 -0500
From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Jordan, Asian girls, etc.
Message-ID: <006701c0d49d$a1ead690$3364a8c0@klindt.org>
I reserved the DVD the day before it came out. The local Sam Goody only got
one, so my inside guy called me at told me to come in and reserve it. They
open at midnight on Tuesday so that folks can come in and get new releases.
Someone came in at midnight to buy it. He couldn't since I have it
reserved. The kicker, I don't have a DVD player right now either, it's
broke. I kinda feel bad. That other guy could have bought it and actually
gotten some enjoyment out of it already. I didn't buy the VHS version
because my VCR isn't hooked up. Ever since I got a Tivo my VCR has hidden
itself due to embarrassment.
tk
Todd O. Klindt, MCSE
todd@klindt.org
"Remember, the government doesn't create one dollar.
When you get a dollar, that means the government
took it from someone else."
-Governor Jesse Ventura
-----Original Message-----
]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
Steven Zebrowski
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:18 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Jordan, Asian girls, etc.
You know what a nerd I am? I bought the VHS and DVD on the day they came
out. And I don't own a DVD player. I just got the VHS so I could watch
it right away. someday, I'll watch that DVD. :)
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:50:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: More good tour news for Australians
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010504095001.28976A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
see, you aussie's shouldn't complain all the time. lucky bastards. :)
On Fri, 4 May 2001, mikel@alphalink.com.au wrote:
>
> As you may know the Ultimate Drummers Weekend is being held
> in Melbourne at the start of June. It looks really really cool.
> Im not a drummer but I might go down just for the concerts- Dave
> Lombardo, Virgil Donati, Chad Wackerman, Planet X and heaps of
> others.
> Also Eric Johnson will be touring all over Australia. I know he plays Melbourne
> on the 23rd.
> Plus Megadeth in August.
> Looks like being a good year if you're into all this sort of stuff.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:03:07 -0400
From: "Nick Bogovich" <bogie@schliz.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: To Live Forever/Lie single
Message-ID: <D42A162CC83A7F40AD63994DE54129C61816@arcadia.schliz.com>
Actually, Speak To Me is on a bonus 3" CD included in the Japanese
version of Falling Into Infinity, as is the Take Away My Pain demo.
-bogie
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http://www.schliz.com/
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-----Original Message-----
]From: Joshua Rasiel [mailto:megafunk@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: To Live Forever/Lie single
I'm not sure but I don't think Speak To Me is on any official release.
Not sure though. Definitely get the Hollow Years one though, it's got
TWIUTB and the original You OR Me.
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 22:23:10 +0300
From: "Szabolcs Gergely" <gergely_szabolcsk@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Birthday
Message-ID: <F87Bhe3WYIgoFT3kMUV00000dea@hotmail.com>
Happy birhtday to James LaBrie. It would be great if he would sing another
ten, fifteen years for DT
Carpe Diem!
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:46:50 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: early Pantera albums
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33BC6@ISDCRE00>
I grew up in Pantera's stomping grounds of Fort Worth/Dallas Texas so I knew
about Pantera while they were still a gigging band around D/FW.. I actually
have their 4 first albums before Cowboys from Hell gave them the big break.
My fave of the early 4 is "Power Metal". Love that CD and they did a live
concert on ZROCK radio that I taped. Wished I could have seen the concert
but I had to work that night :/
Jan-Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julien Ferrant [SMTP:zblam@yahoo.fr]
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:55 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: haha
>
>
>
> Hi guys. It's so good seeing the jam wake up a
> little...
>
> AS for the stuff about Pantera, I think TGSTK is their
> worst album ever (although I never had enough courage
> to listen to REinventing the steel) - except for their
> first albums - which are really hard to find. By the
> way has anyone heard them ? The ones I heard were "pI
> am the night" and "Projects in the jungle" and it was
> hilarious hair-metal. I just think Far beyond driven
> and Vulgar... are great! Seems they just woke up one
> day and lost all inspiration... And don't tell me
> "There is absolutely no album-filler on TGSTK" - or
> tell me how you can like this "13 steps to nowhere"
> shit?
>
> Then Radiohead... first I hated KIDA and I also
> thought it was unlistenable... then my roommate began
> to put it on every morning (imagine :you wake up,
> you're a zombie and you hear this strange noise which
> makes you ask yourself if you're already awake or if
> you're still in this bloody nightmare where you french
> kiss a french politician...) ... and believe it or not
> i begun to like it. I think you need something like
> 100 hearings before you can start to understand
> something from this album....
>
> And as for DT, i'd REALLY like another awake... just
> think "Space-Dye vest" is the best DT-song ever.
> Although it's more Kev's effort than DT's ;-).
>
> Well sorry guys i'll have to go and work on my O/S
> exam.... :-((((((((.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:11:26 -0700
From: "Jenny Kim" <echolucretia@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: porcupine tree
Message-ID: <F189DutJm1lb32su1lS00008b4d@hotmail.com>
Hey yall,
Assuming that there's at least some people who like Porcupine Tree, here's a
question for you: if one were to get just one Porcupine Tree album, which
one would it be?
For those of you who are wondering, this isn't some
metaphysical-hypothetical question. I actually really want to know, it's a
problem I'm experiencing right now.
Thanks,
JK
P.S.- No more of this Asian womyn business, please. It's getting old, and
honestly, it's a go-nowhere thread.
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:29:12 +0200
From: "Stephen Gervois" <stephen.gervois@free.fr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Mr BUNGLE
Message-ID: <002101c0d4e1$46f40060$2a6464c8@lordcyco>
Hi all,
Apart from the songs I got from NAPSTER like "Cup of coffee" or "Super Mario
Bros" I have never actuelly heard Mr BUNGLE.
I've just bought and finished my first listened to "California" :
WOW
Really sick music, it's gonna need a few hundred hours of listening to get
used to !
but I could not help but get the feeling that I've heard something like this
in my youth ...
I must be wrong (and this feeling comes from a past life messin around
experimenting some new cool sounds with Tchaikovski ;) )
But mabee some of you have had the feeling and put your finger on the past
group ?
I'm probably one of the last on the list to have heard this Album ;)
If any are behind me this is SICK stuff,
See ye
GoobleDeGook
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:59:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: porcupine tree
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105041753000.25636-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jenny Kim wrote:
> Hey yall,
> Assuming that there's at least some people who like Porcupine Tree,
> here's a question for you: if one were to get just one Porcupine Tree
> album, which one would it be?
For me it's a toss-up between "Signify" and "Stupid Dream." However, their
live album "Coma Divine" provides a nice snapshot of their best music
spanning the first album up through "Signify."
Rick
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:28:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Pelarski <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: porcupine tree
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105041216130.5477-100000@legarto.minn.net>
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jenny Kim wrote:
> here's a question for you: if one were to get just one Porcupine
> Tree album, which one would it be?
Depends what you're after. If it's the only P'Tree disc you ever
buy, and live albums don't bother you, get Coma Divine. It's a live
album with material from several of their earlier/better discs.
If you want their best "somewhat psych, somewhat pop/song-oriented"
material, get Signify.
If you want their best "mostly psych, not really song-oriented"
material, get The Sky Moves Sideways. (IMHO, This is their best
album.)
If you plan to get more P'Tree eventually, and just want a starting
point, get TSMS first, Signify second, and work forwards & backwards
thru time until you hit something you don't like.
--Jay "Confusing the issue further" Omega
--NP: godspeed you black emperor! - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like
Antennas to Heaven
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:17:57 -0700
From: David Dixon <dixon@iis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: porcupine tree
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752067347BB@MESSAGING>
> if one were to get just one Porcupine Tree album, which
> one would it be?
Ooh, I'd have to go for "Stupid Dream" - I LOVE that disc.
David Dixon, MCSD, MCDBA, MCSE
Senior Consultant, Retail Solutions
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
dixon@iis.com
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Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 00:51:21 +0200
From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: porcupine tree
Message-ID: <3AF33269.9C46CD71@cable.a2000.nl>
> Assuming that there's at least some people who like Porcupine Tree, here's a
> question for you: if one were to get just one Porcupine Tree album, which
> one would it be?
My two favourite albums from PT are 'Signify' and 'The Sky Moves
Sideways'.
The songs on Signify are shorter and more accessible. TSMS has very long
psychadelic songs on it, a bit like Pink Floyd. I prefer TSMS, but for a
Dream Theater fan, Signify is probably the best album to start with.
Marc
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:20:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Billy920@webtv.net
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Geezer
Message-ID: <19810-3AF3554A-2452@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Hey Jammers,
YES Geezer Rocks !!! I don't have Black Science but I have
heard it and was Impressed.
I dig "man in the suitcase" particularly.
However I highly recommend ( if you can get past the cookie monster
vocals provided by Fear Factory frontman Burton Bell ) 1995's
G/Z/R -- Plastic Planet. Heavy as all Hell with topics ranging from
inner city violence to the Borg to Batman. One of my favs from the kick
your ass while your bleeding dept,
Listen to it in a padded room.
Have a Day Y'all Billy
np -- G/Z/R " Sci- Clone "
" Resistance is Futile " the Borg
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:12:52 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: porcupine tree
Message-ID: <75.14333742.2824bba4@aol.com>
>< Assuming that there's at least some people who like Porcupine Tree,
here's a question for you: if one were to get just one Porcupine Tree album,
which one would it be? ><
Lightbulb Sun
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