YTSEJAM digest 5855

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Date: Thu May 17 2001 - 17:07:36 EDT

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YTSEJAM Digest 5855

Today's Topics:

1) Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
by "Dark Majesty" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com>
 2) DT fan club CD !
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
 3) Douglas Adams
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
 4) Slovenian hockey sucks :)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
 5) Stop Dreaming and start packing !
by kalimaa@gto.net.om
 6) Re: Douglas Adams
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
 7) Re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
 8) about that rant
by Dyne <Dyne@home.com>
 9) Nightfall in Middle Earth
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
10) new megadeth
by Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
11) A & B
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
12) Middle Earth, now Wheel Of Time
by Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
13) The World Need A Hero
by Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
14) In light of sleeping
by Billy920@webtv.net
15) Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
by Jason.Breitweg@blind-guardian.com (Jason T. Breitweg)
16) Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
17) Re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
18) Re: In light of sleeping
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
19) Magic Elf
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org>
20) Other people's perceptions
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
21) Opeth show in PHX tonight
by David Dixon <dixon@iis.com>
22) re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
23) re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
by Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
24) Re: A & B
by "Dark Majesty" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com>
25) Re: Other people's perceptions
by "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
26) Re: Other people's perceptions
by "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <jykke@nic.fi>

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:58:20 -0500
From: "Dark Majesty" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
Message-ID: <F1111epN3C9emLB21Ts00006a4a@hotmail.com>

Which is not only the most difficult book I've ever read, but is also the
greatest book ever written. Tolkien is to literature what Dream Theater is
to music. I've got "Somewhere Far Beyond," and it rocks. It's kinda like
speed metal stuff with a German-accented singer, but it's melodic and cool
and makes Metallica sound like beginners. Just my handful of change.

--96

><its very good, very good indeed. Its based upon the story "Silmarillion"><

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:19:04 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: DT fan club CD !
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33E2E@ISDCRE00>

The DT fan club CD's have hit the USA and if you don't have yours yet, you
will soon ! Got mine today. FUNNY STUFF !!!!!

No more spoilers.................. if you didn't order it, too bad !

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:13:31 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Douglas Adams
Message-ID: <3B02ED7B.773E34EB@mol.com.mk>

R.I.P Douglas.
A true genius

BTW, I heard that recently Douglas FINALLY approved a scenario for a
planned movie on the Hitchiker's Guide. Does anyoen know more about
this?

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:10:50 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Slovenian hockey sucks :)
Message-ID: <3B02ECDA.669608C8@mol.com.mk>

> From: "Zalozba Izolit" <izolit@siol.net>
> Subject: re: hockey
>
> Actually, Slovenia just made it to the Group A and it's
> gonna kick all your scandinavian asses :)
> Matej

And how about doing a little WORK while you're at the office and using
the job's e-mail? :)

Hey zemljak, Miladojka Youneed is playing here in few days along with
few others - Disciplin A Kitschme (YIHAAAAWWW)

BTW, I just heard of this Slovenian band but dunno what they play.

Anyone British jammer here? Ever heard of Disciplin A Kitschme? :)
Kicking ass band.

NP: Freak Kitchen

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:45:05 -0700
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:48:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0105161648020.8980-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

It's going to be made by disney.

In other words, don't expect any quality.

-brian

-- "Do you think I wouldn't be pleased to meet the devil? Ha ha, I'd shake his hand like a long-lost friend."

On Wed, 16 May 2001, CyberDuke wrote:

> > R.I.P Douglas. > A true genius > > BTW, I heard that recently Douglas FINALLY approved a scenario for a > planned movie on the Hitchiker's Guide. Does anyoen know more about > this? > >

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:03:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010516180054.15699B-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>

oh yeah!!!! i can't decide which one was more appropriate for the moment: MP singing by himself, or JL & JP throwing in the harmonies!! well done chris. laughed my ass off!!! ahhhh yes, DT does RULE!!

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Dark Majesty wrote:

> > Hehehe! Hehe... He... Anybody else get this? > > ><Eat my ass and balls.>< > > Chris, you rule! I'm gonna be laughing about that one for about a week. DT > RULZ! > > --96 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:15:09 -0700 From: Dyne <Dyne@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: about that rant Message-ID: <3B02FBED.679F7B2@home.com>

haha "one handed gimp tree sloth" now thats fukkin funny!! i mean anytime someone uses the word "sloth" its gonna rule.

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:25:26 -0500 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Nightfall in Middle Earth Message-ID: <B728AED6.E3C%mnazer@pressenter.com>

> Anybody ever heard Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle Earth." I've > never heard anything by this band, > Any comments? > > -Dan.

This Cd gets heavy rotation from me. It is different from most of the stuff I listen to, but I enjoy and plan to get more by this band. I like the vocals, which include a lot of choral works.

Pam

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:37:48 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: new megadeth Message-ID: <3B03478C.45EFF0B4@optonline.com>

OMG people! This album is amazing! Anyone that hasn't bought "The World Needs A Hero", ya gotta get this thing! One of their best albums ever.

-josh

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:08:17 -0400 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: A & B Message-ID: <3B034EB1.E9C1E6CE@seacoast.com>

No , can you please explain it, I'm a fuckin idiot.

>>>Hehehe! Hehe... He... Anybody else get this?

><Eat my ass and balls.><

>>Chris, you rule! I'm gonna be laughing about that one for about a week. DT >RULZ!

>--96 _____

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:40:39 +0930 From: Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Middle Earth, now Wheel Of Time Message-ID: <61BA286C6C56D11187B50000E83A13CB320A51@EDDIE>

> From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> > Subject: Nightfall in Middle Earth

On a similar note, I was surprised to see the following coming out shortly through Magna Carta... the clips sound cool:

Robert Berry - "a soundtrack for The Wheel Of Time" <http://www.magnacarta.net/asp_bin/viewcdpage.asp?catno=ma-9052-2>" - MA-9052-2 Robert Berry composed music for the video game version of The Wheel Of Time novels by Robert Jordan. This album includes his soundtrack to the game, as well as some new and reworked compositions. Instrumental rock with a touch of Celtic flavour. For release July 10th, 2001.

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:48:48 +0930 From: Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The World Need A Hero Message-ID: <61BA286C6C56D11187B50000E83A13CB320A54@EDDIE>

You've gotta be kidding... the new Megadeth album is great... a return to some of the heavier, earlier stuff, but with much more maturity. Mustaine is still a lyrical poet...

I wish people would stop hanging shit by always making comparisons and dissecting every musical note and actually LISTEN for a change.

The instrumental "Silent Scorn" is cool... wish it was longer personally... definately got some Call Of Ktulu feel about it. "Promises" has a lot of feeling about it, and my fav is "1000 times goodbye"

Do yourself a favour, and give it a listen to decide yourself, and don't listen to some unqualified rants.

> From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> > Subject: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant

> In contrast, the new Megadeth album is AMAZINGLY moronic. Pitrelli (though > a fine and extremely capable guitarist) continues his chameleon-like trend > of soaking up someone else's style in lieu of making one for himself (the > album is ripe with Friedman rip offs)... it leaves me wondering why, if all > the blame was to fall with Friedman (I am not willing to entertain arguments > against the fact that he was by far the most talented member of that band, > past, and present) ...why is this album the same PILE OF CRAP that they've > BEEN making? It's a joke... "Am I Evil" rip offs, pathetic Hangar 18 sequel > (I don't think so) a 1:40 instrumental that a one handed gimp tree sloth > could have written and performed (with the exception of some totally out of > place horn parts). Megadeth is crap. But their next album will be heavy, > right? I mean, it will make Rust in Piece look like candyland! Please.

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Billy920@webtv.net To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: In light of sleeping Message-ID: <7684-3B0361F7-1569@storefull-176.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Hey Jammers, My response to recent threads---- I sleep very well to Animals and Awake, but the very first time I listened to SFaM I fell asleep ( not from boredom of course I was just tired ) and was awakened when the needle jumps of the record and the dude screams and it scared the absolute shit out of me. However I find that the musical style isn't what lulls me to sleep but the vocals or rather lack thereof. My sub-conscious mind isn't trying to make sense of words if they aren't there. So long instrumental solos or just instrumental music is best for me. Except for Buckethead ( I can't sleep at all to that stuff so I use it for waking up) My personal fav for sleep is Miles Davis --Kind of Blue -- utterly phenomenal!!! I'm picking up the new Tool cd tomorrow so that will be an interesting dream sequence. BTW does anyone else dream in conjunction with music ? Animals makes me dream of livestock in clothes Awake makes me dream of my ex-wife for some reason and classical music of just about any composer makes me dream of being a math teacher-- weird. Yes I too control my dreams with the radio and the late show. ( Chroma Key reference) I like to keep the TV on so that the flickering light stimulates my visual mind and the music stimulates my audio mind. Just one more thing I see that everyone still bitches about the spam ( myself included ) yet a lot of people are still including entire messages from previous posts within their own. The last jam was like 30% rehashed posts. I read it the first time and a couple included previous post with previous posts in them as well and while I am quite amused with Robb's quote about wanting brains now I don't really need to see it 15 times in one jam. Does anyone else think this is a waste of space or am I alone here? Oh well just an opinion from someone who doesn't really know. Have a Day Y'all Billy. np Dust for Life -- The End. ( good band ... reminds me of COC and Alice in Chains )

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Date: 17 May 2001 07:46:40 +0200 From: Jason.Breitweg@blind-guardian.com (Jason T. Breitweg) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth Message-ID: <tku4rukwmrj.fsf@zussun8.desy.de>

Dan> Anybody ever heard Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle Dan> Earth." I've never heard anything by this band, but I ran Dan> across it at amazon. With The Fellowship of the Ring being Dan> released this December, I'm slowing becoming a bit of a Tolkien Dan> nut, so this album's intrigued me. The audio samples at amazon Dan> are ridiculously short. One was about 5 seconds of wind Dan> blowing - that's it. 8-)b Any comments?

Never heard much Blind Guardian? Go to http://www.mp3.com/bg, download all the full length songs (something like 20) and enjoy. Oh yeah, then go out and buy all the CDs, you won't regret it!

BG is working on the new CD right now. I have been seeing some of the lyrics from Hansi and it is going to be great. Nothing Tolkien based this time but cool nonetheless. I just need to hear the music that goes with it now. :)

Jason -- Jason T. Breitweg E-Mail: Jason.Breitweg@blind-guardian.com WWW: http://www.blind-guardian.com

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:07:04 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth Message-ID: <001301c0de97$9a063560$c43736cb@PaulTadday>

I was more a fan of Blind Guardia's earlier stuff but Nightfall is okay. It's a bit too over the top with the whole goblin inspired thing for my tastes. I much preferred the Follow The Blind era between '87 and '90. Paul.

----- Original Message ----- ]From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>

> Anybody ever heard Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle Earth." I've > never heard anything by this band, > but I ran across it at amazon. With The Fellowship of the Ring being > released this December, I'm slowing > becoming a bit of a Tolkien nut, so this album's intrigued me. The audio > samples at amazon are ridiculously short. > One was about 5 seconds of wind blowing - that's it. 8-)b Any comments? > > -Dan.

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:15:42 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant Message-ID: <002d01c0de98$cdcaf740$c43736cb@PaulTadday>

Hehehe.. yeah! That IS the line of the entire DVD! That AND "Jordan Rudess - Action Figure!"

Paul.

----- Original Message ----- ]From: Dark Majesty <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com>

> > Hehehe! Hehe... He... Anybody else get this? > > ><Eat my ass and balls.>< > > Chris, you rule! I'm gonna be laughing about that one for about a week. DT > RULZ!

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 02:33:06 -0400 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: In light of sleeping Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010517014629.00ac6ec0@cs.millersville.edu>

Billy920 wrote:

>I sleep very well to Animals and Awake, but the very first time I >listened to SFaM I fell asleep

Personally, I can fall asleep during any album. Or during live concerts even -- I was so beat by the end of day #1 of this year's NE Metal & Hardcore festival, that I was actually falling asleep standing up during Cannibal Corpse's set! This is a 'skill' without a silver lining, as far as I can tell.

>BTW does anyone else dream in conjunction with music ?

Only one. I dreamed I was doing a wicked synth run, then discovered it was actually Patrick Moraz when I stopped moving my fingers and the music kept going (disc playing: Yes "Relayer"). What a letdown. I had a dream the other day that Evil Forces were trying to infiltrate our world via Grateful Dead concert videos. Probably not too far from the truth...

Hoping the postman, er, postperson brings something marked "DTIFC" in tomorrow's mail, Brian

[NP...Jason Becker -- Perspective]

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:25:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.org> To: YML <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Magic Elf Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105171520260.28091-100000@ace>

Just a question. Anyone ever heard of the Magic Elf? They released an album called Elf Tales some years ago. Opinions about this one?

Also, after the release of SMPT:e I planned to check out the Flower Kings. Now I finally did, buying Space Revolver as well as Flower Power. And guess what... this stuff is great! But I guess y'all knew that already.

Peter

NP: Kamelot - Siege Perilous Threshold - Hypothetical <-- much better than Clone

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Date: 17 May 2001 14:14:12 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Other people's perceptions Message-ID: <20010517141412.13559.qmail@purina.chek.com>

So I was sat in my living room watching the SFNY DVD, and my housemates got home, and groaned "Oh here we go". But I persuaded them to sit down and pay atention, and credit where it's due: they sat through AMBI and ACoS. When it was done, they both agreed that while yes, it's technically very clever, it all sounds exactly the same.

I was pretty stunned by this comment; I man, I understand that other people don't LIKE Dream Theater, but I couldn't believe that anyone could think that it all sounds the same. And certainly not those four songs!! And these are not stupid Britney Spheres people; one is a Royal Northern College of Music graduate who listens to Yes, Genesis and King Crimson along with some indie shite, the other is one of the most talented drummers (in any time sig you like) that I know. And they reckon it sounds the same.

I thought I'd share that, because it made me wonder: what do people who don't lke Dream Theater think of it when you guys play it to them??

~SJD

p.s., but they both liked the excerpt from the Simpsons, and Jordans little piano danzas. :)

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:35:02 -0700 From: David Dixon <dixon@iis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Opeth show in PHX tonight Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E6175206734863@MESSAGING>

Yo:

Is anyone around here going to the Opeth/Nevermore show at the Mason Jar in Phoenix tonight? BTW - it IS all ages, so any of you young punks like me (I'm almost there... :)) can actually get in, which is nice. Well, if you're going, shoot me an email - it'd be nice to meet a couple of you people. :)

David Dixon dixon@iis.com

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant Message-ID: <20010517155318.99302.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com>

"Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> wrote:

> Why is it that when Metallica slowed down, when Megadeth slowed down, > when Slayer got more raw, when Queensryche got more gritty... all these > bands went to complete and utter SHIT?

Old age? They've used themselves up, and there's nothing left...

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:10:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian D Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0105171108120.23786-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

I don't know what Slayer you guys have been listening to, but the one I've been listening to made a major comeback with one of their best CDs: Diabolus in Musica. They really only put out one sub-par album, Divine Intervention.

/me looks forward to seeing them with Pantera and Morbid Angel in july...

-brian

-- "Do you think I wouldn't be pleased to meet the devil? Ha ha, I'd shake his hand like a long-lost friend."

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Brian Hansen wrote:

> > Why is it that when Metallica slowed down, when > Megadeth slowed down, > > when Slayer got more raw, when Queensryche got more > gritty... all these > > bands went to complete and utter SHIT? > > Old age? They've used themselves up, and there's > nothing left...

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:35:29 -0500 From: "Dark Majesty" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: A & B Message-ID: <F115FNpyLAPDVXLuSbh0000772a@hotmail.com>

Are you a member of the DTIFC? If so, you'll find out soon, and if not, I'm sworn by my YtseHonor not to give away the "surprise." You might be able to find out if you watch the DVD with the commentary on, also. Sorry, that's all I can say.

--96

><No , can you please explain it, I'm a fuckin idiot.><

Hehehe! Hehe... He... Anybody else get this?

><Eat my ass and balls.><

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:19:15 +0300 From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Other people's perceptions Message-ID: <000001c0deec$72520580$69df6693@el00144>

> > I thought I'd share that, because it made me wonder: what do people who don't lke Dream Theater think of it when you guys play it to them?? > > ~SJD

DT songs are usually more than 4 minutes long.I've given people the I&W cd to start with and they told me they just liked Wait for Sleep.Another favorite is,playing acid rain to someone and getting a "there's too much noise..." comment.Indeed there is.The noise of instruments actually playing something,like,music. Although, i suspect that,about the WfS thing,people were just too bored to listen to the rest 7 + minute songs and didn't even bother.

my 2 drachmas

ps:i didn't wanna sound like a prog snob,but "noise" type of comments tend to get irritating

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:30:16 +0300 From: "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <jykke@nic.fi> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Other people's perceptions Message-ID: <001c01c0df07$cddc35e0$4fee26d4@ghj>

> I thought I'd share that, because it made me wonder: what do people who don't lke Dream Theater think of it when you guys play it to them??

Some people that I've played DT also say that most songs sound the same but most of them only bother to listen few minutes anyway so I guess their opinion isn't quite valid. As opposite every DT fan I know says that one reason they like it is because the songs are so different from each other.

Another thing that I've noticed is that every single person that normally doesn't listen to metal _loves_ Hollow Years. Metal listeners usually dislike it. I really wonder why it hasn't got any bigger success.

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