YTSEJAM Digest 6017
Today's Topics:
1) POS (I jump into the fray, shortly)
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
2) Re: P.O.S. ????
by "Jenny K" <echolucretia@hotmail.com>
3) 57 channels and nothing on
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
4) Re: review of Mullmuzzler 2
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
5) Mulmuzzler 2 & ? about TA2
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
6) RE: P.O.S. ????
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
7) Re: P.O.S. ????
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:18:51 -0500
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: POS (I jump into the fray, shortly)
Message-ID: <3BEB3D05.C14476DF@mindspring.com>
Well, in my limited sonic experience with them, which was LIVE at last years Chicago ProgPower event, I was duly impressed. They were versatile and great performer's. Generally, if I
like a band live, the recorded music should be a no-brainer, but the opposite is not true. That being said, I have yet to grab a POS CD yet, so... I'm still on the fence!
Scott
(Musician/Graphic Artist/Activist, Dr. Pepper Aficianado, Neurosurgeon, Allroundniceguy)
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
RE: VIRTUALITY CD ** Ambient, neo-progressive cyber rock with a cinematic flair for the dramatic and evocative.
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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:59:21 -0800
From: "Jenny K" <echolucretia@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: P.O.S. ????
Message-ID: <F275vz2aZ5am52v31zN00022974@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:04:05 -0800 (PST)
>Jordan Rudess - Feeding the Wheel
>Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
I'll bite.....Rudess' album is spectacular at spots,
As for Transatlantic, I love this album, but I liked
The two 26 minute songs kinda drag, although not too
anyway, that's my quick and dirty take.....
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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:48:51 -0800
In an e-mail sent on the extremely historic date of 11/8/01 5:44 PM, Alexis
> James LaBrie - Mulmuzzler 2
Well, I dunno how much discussion this is, but I am definitely one of those
Scott
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Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 02:48:32 -0600
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I agree wholeheartedly here. Very disappointed. The first one had a killer
> James LaBrie - Mulmuzzler 2
Question about the new Transatlantic: How similar to the first is it? I
-Chris
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:22:39 -0600
That's a good point.... I'm so strange that I arrange my CDs by
JM
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:10:14 -0800
CAN YOU TURN OFF THE HTML MAIL PLEASE?!?!
Signal received 0. Jenny K <echolucretia@hotmail.com> said:
-The Doc
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<P>Hi yall,</P>
<P>I'm a bit too lazy to read all the emails, so sorry if this has already been said:</P>
<P>I totally agree with you about the band's sound quality: it sucks, even on a cd.</P>
<P>I'm one of those shallow people who arrange their cds according to how much they like them. POS's OHBTCL is second to last. And that's saying a lot, because I own a Warrant cd (and that's ranked higher).<BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: Eric George <DRIZZT@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
<DIV></DIV>>To: Multiple recipients of list <YTSEJAM@TORCHSONG.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: P.O.S. ????
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:30:53 -0800 (PST)
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>hey there folks,
<DIV></DIV>> brief question about Pain of Salvation. i've heard LOT'S of talk
<DIV></DIV>>about them here on the 'jam, and it's all been pretty positive. well, i
<DIV></DIV>>hadn't heard anything by them until today, when i caught the video for
<DIV></DIV>>"Ashes" from the album The Perfect Element. can someone please tell me
<DIV></DIV>>that they get better than this?? granted, it's not a bad sond, but
<DIV></DIV>>certainly nothing worth writing home about. the guitar solo at the end
<DIV></DIV>>was impressive, but the song itself was pretty bland. now, i thought i
<DIV></DIV>>remembered someone on here saying that The Perfect Element was one of
<DIV></DIV>>their best albums. i'm hoping that this song was just one of the crap
<DIV></DIV>>one's that seem to always wind up being the singles from an album. please
<DIV></DIV>>tell me that it's get's better than "Ashes". also, and maybe this is just
<DIV></DIV>>a result of it being a poor video, but the sound quality was similar to
<DIV></DIV>>something that was recorded underwater. was this the fault of the video,
<DIV></DIV>>or is that a "trademark sound" of P.O.S.??? i hope not. hope to get some
<DIV></DIV>>feedback. thanks a lot.
<DIV></DIV>> -eric
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"The things that matter the least in life
<DIV></DIV>> get the most appreciation.
<DIV></DIV>> The things that matter the most
<DIV></DIV>> don't get enough." -me
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org
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From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: 57 channels and nothing on
Message-ID: <20011109040405.20462.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com>
>Very highly recommended album.
>Everybody needs this album.
and very boring at spots....the first song (i'm
forgetting the titles now), opens up in a 70s game
show theme mood.....later on, there's a segment that
remind me of a cheesy rap song from the early
90s....in between and around that kind of crap,
there's some awesome riffs built upon typically solid
work from Bozzio, but there are just a few too many
cringe-worthy moments to be an unqualified recommend
from me....
it ever better before pulling SMTP:e out for
comparison's sake. THey sound more like a band this
time around.....less, "Spock's beard here, flower
kings section, let's give Mike a chance now....,"
although there are still moments where you can totally
tell who's doing the songwriting at that particular
moment. Where they regress is largely encapsulated by
the track "Suite Charlotte Pike." That jam session
thing was cool when it was encapsulated within "All of
the Above" from the first album, with a nice lead in,
and a great flow into the next segment of the song,
Stuck at the start of SCP, the jam session sounds like
just that, 4 guys jamming, not as a part of a song,
but just for the hell of it. As a separate track,
cool, but it just feels tacked on to SCP, which goes
on to have that weird, "his name is wonderful"
section, with Roine Stolt in full Euro lounge singer
mode.....
badly.....again, that may just be in comparison with
the mid-teen length tracks from the first album that
work so well....I just get the feeling that TA works
best at about 17 minute song lengths. Of course, All
of the Above is still my favorite TA song, so make of
that what you will.
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From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: review of Mullmuzzler 2
Message-ID: <B810AE43.2A5D%schansen@cts.com>
Ramos thusly spaketh:
> Alright, I think I'm going to differ from most of the
> stuff I've heard by saying that I think this album is
> a step down from the first one. It's a good album,
> but for some reason it just doesn't do it for me as
> much as the first one. The melodies are catchier on
> the previous one, and, to me, it just feels more
> inspired. The best songs on this album are the
> gardner and the shadow gallery ones. Some of the
> guillory tracks are great, but others just don't do
> anything for me. James sounds great, but the songs
> themselves don't stand out, IMO.
>
> OK, lets see if this inspires some discussion...
that differs with you on comparing the two. First off, the mix is much
better on this one than on the previous one. Also, I honestly think that
there are certainly more "catchy" songs on this one than there were on the
first one - thankfully Guillory co-wrote most of the tracks on this one.
Which brings me to one other point that I don't agree with - the Guillory
tracks are WAY better than the Shadow gallery and especially the Gardner
tracks. The only thing I like from Gardner was Explorer's Club and even that
got repetitive; thankfully he only contributes one song on MM2, tho it is a
step up from the garbage he wrote on the first one...
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Mulmuzzler 2 & ? about TA2
Message-ID: <B810BF0A.19D0%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
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vibe through the whole thing. The second is just kinda ho-hum/ going through
the motions, for a second album kinda thing. But James's voice does sound
great on it though.
> Alright, I think I'm going to differ from most of the
> stuff I've heard by saying that I think this album is
> a step down from the first one. It's a good album,
> but for some reason it just doesn't do it for me as
> much as the first one. The melodies are catchier on
> the previous one, and, to me, it just feels more
> inspired. The best songs on this album are the
> gardner and the shadow gallery ones. Some of the
> guillory tracks are great, but others just don't do
> anything for me. James sounds great, but the songs
> themselves don't stand out, IMO.
kinda sorta enjoyed the first but haven't listened to it in ages. Will I
enjoy the second?
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From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: P.O.S. ????
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2A83@ISDCRE00>
alphabetical order. I probably should think about putting them in order of
my faves... but I dunno, I like the Alpha method a lot. heh
> From: Jenny K [SMTP:echolucretia@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:08 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: P.O.S. ????
>
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> <P>Hi yall,</P>
> <P>I'm a bit too lazy to read all the emails, so sorry if this has already
> been said:</P>
> <P>I totally agree with you about the band's sound quality: it sucks, even
> on a cd.</P>
> <P>I'm one of those shallow people who arrange their cds according to how
> much they like them. POS's OHBTCL is second to last. And
> that's saying a lot, because I own a Warrant cd (and that's ranked
> higher).<BR></P></DIV>
>
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: P.O.S. ????
Message-ID: <20011109111014.B82435@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>
> <P>Hi yall,</P>
> <P>I'm a bit too lazy to read all the emails, so sorry if this has already been said:</P>
> <P>I totally agree with you about the band's sound quality: it sucks, even on a cd.</P>
> <P>I'm one of those shallow people who arrange their cds according to how much they like them. POS's OHBTCL is second to last. And that's saying a lot, because I own a Warrant cd (and that's ranked higher).<BR></P></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>
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