YTSEJAM Digest 6016
Today's Topics:
1) Re: P.O.S. ????
by "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
2) Pain of Salvation
by "Joe DeAngelo" <joe.deangelo@home.com>
3) Re: POS?????
by =?iso-8859-1?B?SGFzc2UgQuV0aA== <hasse@krukan.com>
4) Re: P.O.S. ????
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
5) Re: P.O.S. ????
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
6) Re: P.O.S. ????
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
7) Re: P.O.S. ????
by "Michael Pruchnicki" <Michael.Pruchnicki@computec.de>
8) Re[2]: P.O.S. ????
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
9) RE: P.O.S. ????
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
10) Re: Re[2]: P.O.S. ????
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
11) RE: Re[2]: P.O.S. ????
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
12) Transatlantic Interview
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
13) reviews of DT related stuff
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
14) re: P.O.S. ????
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:49:13 +1100
From: "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: P.O.S. ????
Message-ID: <002001c167ff$f40d0560$e73a36cb@PaulTadday>
Judging "Ashes" on it's own merits and away from the context of the entire
album is similar to taking the radio edit of "Home" away from SFAM and
judging that album the same way... or judging the entire band for that
matter.
POS is all about layers and textures, then letting the atmosphere do the
work. They are a technical band sure, but their music is not overshadowed by
overkill. I kind of get a similar feeling when listening to POS as I used to
do listening to early Queensryche. Not that the bands sound anything alike
but the similarities of atmosphere and mood is obvious.
Do yourself a favour, buy The Perfect Element. Then listen with a great set
of headphones.
This sort of music is not meant to be peripheral to whatever else your
doing. It can't be appreciated as much while chatting with friends over
dinner for instance. Take it in and enjoy the disc from start to finish. As
Chris said, you might not get what it's all about in one or two listens but
believe me, it kicks in eventually! And also... don't think of DT when
listening to POS. They are nothing alike musically.
Paul.
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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:21:14 -0500
From: "Joe DeAngelo" <joe.deangelo@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Pain of Salvation
Message-ID: <001201c16804$6c9d71a0$d0c90741@stcl1.mi.home.com>
IMO The Pefect Element Part I (although I like it) is BY FAR their worst
album. Check out stuff from Entropia or One Hour By the Concrete Lake
first.
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:33:50 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?SGFzc2UgQuV0aA== <hasse@krukan.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: POS?????
Message-ID: <001201c16830$1ba4f940$53b420d4@krukan.com>
Ashes grows on you when you hear the whole album!!TPE is actually the most diverse cd I own.It's full of emotion and its very progressive and it stands as one of my alltimefavourite!!
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:36 AM
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 6015
> YTSEJAM Digest 6015
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1) Cheap CD places
> by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
> 2) P.O.S. ????
> by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
> 3) Re: P.O.S. ????
> by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
> 4) Re: P.O.S. ????
> by "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:07:36 -0500
> From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Cheap CD places
> Message-ID: <3BE8DDB8.13E4@atl.mediaone.net>
>
> > Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:35:40 -0200
> > From: "Alexandro Talamini" <atalamini@hotmail.com>
>
> > Hey Folks,
> >
> > A friend of mine who lives in Richmond, VA, is coming to Brazil for
> > Christmas and New Year's day. I'm thinking og ordering some CDs and DVDs to
> > be shipped to him. Then he brings the stuff along with him.
> >
> > QUESTION: Where to find GREAT prices on the web??
>
> Well, it depends on what you're looking for. My first choices for prog-
> and prog-metal stuff are Exploding Ned's Tunes, at
> http://www.explodingneds.com, and www.lasercd.com, The Laser's Edge. I
> also recommend The End Records at www.theendrecords.com for heavier
> stuff, and Dark Symphonies at www.darksymphonies.com for heavy/dark
> stuff. Both have excellent prices and good shipping deals.
>
> For guitar-based CDs and other cool stuff, there's Guitar 9 at
> www.guitar9.com. And my usual fallback for CDs is www.cdnow.com, which
> often has pretty good prices and gives me back a commission on my
> purchases through my site. :)
>
>
> --
> +--- Paul W. Cashman, pellaz@atl.mediaone.net ICQ 4151223 ----+
> | Website: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/pellaz/ |
> | or www.paulcashman.com :) |
> +---------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
> To: "The 'Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: P.O.S. ????
> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0111071920440.21729-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
>
> hey there folks,
> brief question about Pain of Salvation. i've heard LOT'S of talk
> about them here on the 'jam, and it's all been pretty positive. well, i
> hadn't heard anything by them until today, when i caught the video for
> "Ashes" from the album The Perfect Element. can someone please tell me
> that they get better than this?? granted, it's not a bad sond, but
> certainly nothing worth writing home about. the guitar solo at the end
> was impressive, but the song itself was pretty bland. now, i thought i
> remembered someone on here saying that The Perfect Element was one of
> their best albums. i'm hoping that this song was just one of the crap
> one's that seem to always wind up being the singles from an album. please
> tell me that it's get's better than "Ashes". also, and maybe this is just
> a result of it being a poor video, but the sound quality was similar to
> something that was recorded underwater. was this the fault of the video,
> or is that a "trademark sound" of P.O.S.??? i hope not. hope to get some
> feedback. thanks a lot.
> -eric
>
>
> "The things that matter the least in life
> get the most appreciation.
> The things that matter the most
> don't get enough." -me
>
> drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org
> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:04:02 -0500
> From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: P.O.S. ????
> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011107144913.01b13af0@cs.millersville.edu>
>
> If you were looking for a lot of guitar pyrotechnics and whatnot, "Ashes"
> is probably the worst song on the album (it's fairly basic). Many of the
> other songs on "The Perfect Element" are more technical, but Pain of
> Salvation really isn't a wanky band. They're more about mood and
> dynamics. As far as sound quality goes, I prefer the sound of "One Hour By
> The Concrete Lake" personally, but it ain't bad on TPE. I would advise not
> judging the band (or any band, for that matter) by one MPEG video. Unless,
> of course, the video is from any band featured on TRL, in which case, judge
> away!
>
> Brian
>
> [NP...GWAR -- Violence Has Arrived]
>
> ============================================
> WB Henderson [wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu]
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> Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/
> WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/
> WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/
> ============================================
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:07:49 -0500
> From: "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: Re: P.O.S. ????
> Message-ID: <00f901c167c7$e1dc7980$b5268bd0@ASIDOM.asifalcon.com>
>
> Brief answer...
>
> Be careful when taking a song out of its context (this advice more to the
> band for making the video than anyone here). "Ashes" is part of a larger
> concept. IMO, if ever there was an album to take in as a whole, it's The
> Perfect Element...and taking any of the songs out of that context doesn't
> really work.
>
> Beyond that, it should be noted that Pain of Salvation is your average prog
> band. If you start listening to them expecting to be wowed by technical
> prowess, you'll probably find the album "bland" (to use your words).
> They've got skill, and that's apparent on the disc, but they focus more on
> the story and on the emotions rather than the wankery. If you start
> listening to the album with an open mind and a bit of patience, you might
> pick up on what they were trying to do. Then again, you might not. It took
> me a few good listens to wrap my mind around it. I haven't been able to put
> the CD away for long since then.
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric George" <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:30 PM
> Subject: P.O.S. ????
>
>
> > hey there folks,
> > brief question about Pain of Salvation. i've heard LOT'S of talk
> > about them here on the 'jam, and it's all been pretty positive. well, i
> > hadn't heard anything by them until today, when i caught the video for
> > "Ashes" from the album The Perfect Element. can someone please tell me
> > that they get better than this??
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Date: 08 Nov 2001 11:19:57 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: P.O.S. ????
Message-ID: <863d3pse5e.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> writes:
> i've heard LOT'S of talk about them here on the 'jam, and it's all
> been pretty positive. well, i hadn't heard anything by them until
> today, when i caught the video for "Ashes" from the album The
> Perfect Element. can someone please tell me that they get better
> than this??
Sadly, this is the best song on the album. It's a poor album, and they
are a very overrrated band. I am not particularly looking forward to
seeing them open for DT.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:55:46 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <3BEA80D2.65D381A3@yunque.net>
Graham Borland wrote:
> > > Sadly, this is the best song on the album. It's a poor album, and they > are a very overrrated band. I am not particularly looking forward to > seeing them open for DT. > > --
Looks like you forgot a big "IMO" there buddy ;)
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Date: 08 Nov 2001 12:02:25 +0000 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <86d72tqxm6.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> writes:
> Graham Borland wrote: > > > Sadly, this is the best song on the album. It's a poor album, and they > > are a very overrrated band. I am not particularly looking forward to > > seeing them open for DT. > > Looks like you forgot a big "IMO" there buddy ;)
Well, OBVIOUSLY it's my opinion! Who else's opinion would it be? :-)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:17:13 +0100 From: "Michael Pruchnicki" <Michael.Pruchnicki@computec.de> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <2266D0630E43BB4290742247C89105757DAD5E@dozer.computec.de>
> > Sadly, this is the best song on the album. It's a poor > album, and they > > are a very overrrated band. I am not particularly looking forward to > > seeing them open for DT. > Looks like you forgot a big "IMO" there buddy ;)
No, I think he rather forgot to add that his favorite band is HIM, otherwise I wouldn't understand why anyone would like Ashes best. :P
- Mike
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 01:26:35 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: Graham Borland <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re[2]: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <6231344717.20011109012635@optushome.com.au>
GB> Sadly, this is the best song on the album. It's a poor album, and they GB> are a very overrrated band. I am not particularly looking forward to GB> seeing them open for DT.
I can keep silent no longer. PoS are one of the best bands around and live they will at least keep DT sharp every night, but could easily end up blowing DT off stage once in a while. I saw DT twice in Nov 99 and PoS once and PoS were quite awesome.
The Perfect Element is not an easy an album to get into, took me many months to be able to even listen to the whole thing at once, it's very intense and draining to digest it all.
PoS are one of the finest bands around and perhaps when they tour with DT some of you lot will see this.
As for the condemning of the band on one video, pulease, this is ridiculous, how can you judge ANY band on a fucking video ?
All you doubters, including Mr.Borland I fully expect a change of heart after you've seen they on tour with DT.
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:gjboyle@optushome.com.au
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:58:33 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPIEOACDAA.hrivera@crp.org>
POS (appropriate acronym, btw) is one of the most overrated bands out in the scene these days. Last time I buy an album solely on recommendation.
Talented? Yes. But they just don't do a thing for me. They bore me to tears and I wish the singer would be a little less focused on being intense and tried to sing instead for a change.
Ugh. $35 NOT wisely spent.
joe
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Date: 08 Nov 2001 15:03:03 +0000 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <868zdhpaoo.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> writes:
> how can you judge ANY band on a fucking video ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How did porn get into this discussion?
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:57:07 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Re[2]: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2A4A@ISDCRE00>
That's always a welcome subject...
> -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Borland [SMTP:graham@picsel.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:22 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Re[2]: P.O.S. ???? > > Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> writes: > > > how can you judge ANY band on a fucking video ? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > How did porn get into this discussion? > > -- > Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd > graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 05:33:25 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: The Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Transatlantic Interview Message-ID: <12646146230.20011109053325@optushome.com.au>
http://www.digitalmetal.com/interviews.asp?iID=1783
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:gjboyle@optushome.com.au
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:44:37 -0800 (PST) From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: reviews of DT related stuff Message-ID: <20011108184437.33789.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com>
Hello! Alright, here goes my attempt to review some albums that I've gotten recently.
Jordan Rudess - Feeding the Wheel This album is really great. Jordan completely shines on every track. The music is very progressive, and combines metal, rock, jazz, etc. The melodies and solos have that typical jordan sound, so you may not like this album if you don't like his style of playing. This album reminds me a lot of his RMP album, although this one is heavier and has more instruments incorporated into the music, such as guitars. Terry Bozzio does an incredible job as always on drums. Very highly recommended album.
Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever Holy shit this album kicks ass!!! Even though it only consists of 4 songs, 2 of which are over 25 minutes long, it doesn't feel like they went overboard by trying to do very long songs. This album feels more organized than their first one, and it seems like they were more comfortable working with each other this second time around. The style is very similar to the first one. All of the guys play incredibly well. I love their first album, but this one is even better. The highlight of the album is the last song, Stranger in Your Soul. Wow. Everybody needs this album.
James LaBrie - Mulmuzzler 2 Alright, I think I'm going to differ from most of the stuff I've heard by saying that I think this album is a step down from the first one. It's a good album, but for some reason it just doesn't do it for me as much as the first one. The melodies are catchier on the previous one, and, to me, it just feels more inspired. The best songs on this album are the gardner and the shadow gallery ones. Some of the guillory tracks are great, but others just don't do anything for me. James sounds great, but the songs themselves don't stand out, IMO.
OK, lets see if this inspires some discussion...
Alexis
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:22:52 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <20011108212252.33821.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com>
Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> asked:
> when i caught the video for "Ashes" from the album The Perfect Element. > can someone please tell me that they get better than this??
They get better than that. ;o)
> but the song itself was pretty bland.
It was a "single" oriented song. I seem to remember something about that song being an experiment in "simplicity". It's intentional. Most "pop" is an exercise in simplicity and repetition. You might consider this song a spoof of standard pop songs.
> now, i thought i remembered someone on here saying that > The Perfect Element was one of their best albums.
It's the best new album I've heard since it was released. I can't say I've heard any better prog released since then. IMHO, of course.
> i'm hoping that this song was just one of the crap one's that seem > to always wind up being the singles from an album.
I wouldn't call it crap. It is what it is, a simple part of a larger whole. As a matter of fact, it is used as part of another song on the recording.
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