YTSEJAM Digest 5961
Today's Topics:
1) US attacks...
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
2) WTC
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
3) This is unreal.
by "Kemal AKBAY" <kakbay@hotmail.com>
4) RE: WTC
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
5) Dream Theater scenes?
by "Sean Connolly" <hades@psu.edu>
6) Eerie Coincidence
by Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
7) US Attacks
by "Cory Sokolis" <neilpeartisgod@hotmail.com>
8) Re: terrorist attacks
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
9) RE: terrorist attacks
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
10) NY tragedy
by Luke Bateup <lbateup@bond.edu.au>
11) USA Under Attack
by "Sigit Prabowo" <tekpps05@bni.co.id>
12) It's been real, and it's been fun...
by "Shadow Mage" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com>
13) Saw this in a news report....
by "Mark Stahl" <stahl@jps.net>
14) Re: Saw this in a news report....
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
15) Re: Dream Theater scenes?
by JamesAhab@aol.com
16) Interesting...
by cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
17) Re: Saw this in a news report....
by "Glenn Fitzgerald" <whofooldu@vaix.net>
18) Re: Interesting...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
19) RE: Dream Theater scenes? answer!
by "Tim Detman" <TimDetman@ematic.com>
20) Re: Eerie Coincidence
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
21) Aussie Sympathies!!
by "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
22) DT in the news
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
23) Terrorist attacks on USA
by fredrik@kilander.com
24) just wondering.....
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
25) Re: just wondering.....
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
26) Re: just wondering.....
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:14:00 -0400
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: US attacks...
Message-ID: <3B9F7BAD.F5733CB2@mindspring.com>
Maurice I think a few reasons you haven't seen many comments about this
situation are many. Many people receive the Ytsejam in digest form (myself
included), in addition to many of us having posted about the topic on the
various message boards, discussion groups, etc. Additionally, it's all still so
vividly fresh in our minds that sometimes composing a succinct thread on it
seems a distant concern, but I for one agree with everything you wrote. Being a
NY'er, this hits very close to home (but, not, obviously, as close as it does
to those who lost family, friends, or were directly victims of the chain of
events). Just viewing the shots of the disintergration of the WTC brought a
huge knot into my stomach. That spectacle enough made me naseous as anything
else. Being no fan of GWB I hope he does act appropriately and prudently at the
same time. The vast majority of negative consequences that can arise here will
do so in the ensuing pandemonium and chaos. Redemption is necessary, of course,
but so it the concept of absolute certainty as to whom we will retaliate
against. More importantly, the pride of the country must be maintained without
creating an all-encompassing Arab-bashing atmosphere or event. The victims of
this tragedy are the most deserving of our immediate responses, I think. Like I
mentioned previously, the movie THE SEIGE seems to have some relevance to what
has occured.
Scott Mosher
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:45:07 -0600
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: WTC
Message-ID: <B7C4FB43.1592%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
I've been curious about foreign reaction. Anyone else out there want to
share some thoughts?
Terrible, terrible incident.
Saddened,
Chris
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:09:55 +0300
From: "Kemal AKBAY" <kakbay@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: This is unreal.
Message-ID: <F81UAaTzvb5YI9IJsaJ00011112@hotmail.com>
This is unreal. The bloodiest nightmare. Me, my friends and all the Turkish
people in all over the world share your pain, mourn with you and contain
enormous amount of anger among those cowardly acts that caused thousands of
tragic loss of human lives.
Wishing and hoping to save as many lives as possible. Noone will get away
with it.
Some people are born to rot in hell.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:19:48 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: WTC
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2028@ISDCRE00>
The Symphony X list has lots of people from outside America on board. The
list has been loaded with thoughts from USA and abroad. We're still
discussing as a matter of fact. If you'd like to join in, shoot me a
private piece of Email and I'll send you the address to subscribe at.
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Elder [SMTP:twilightzone@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:08 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: WTC
>
> I've been curious about foreign reaction. Anyone else out there want to
> share some thoughts?
>
> Terrible, terrible incident.
> Saddened,
> Chris
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:31:06 -0400
From: "Sean Connolly" <hades@psu.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Dream Theater scenes?
Message-ID: <000401c13bb0$b4282fe0$85334742@athena>
I've been hearing rumors around here about Scenes From New York being
pulled of the shelves because of the tragedy... Anyone have any
confirmation?
For those of you who don't realize it, the logo on the DVD and album
have the Trade Towers on a fire background...
Sorry if this is a dupe post or anything, I'm fairly new to the ytsejam
and this is my first post, so excuse my ignorance...
Cheers,
Sean
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Eerie Coincidence
Message-ID: <20010912174142.79657.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com>
I think it's an eerie coincidence that the new live CD
was released the same day as those horrific attacks,
given the cover art.
Buy it, and crank Disc 2, Track 2 for those affected
by yesterday's tragedy.
Jon.
NP: "The Spirit Carries On", Live Scenes From a Memory
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:38:59 -0400
From: "Cory Sokolis" <neilpeartisgod@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: US Attacks
Message-ID: <F238E8E9cNr6vHC6BBa0000d40f@hotmail.com>
This situation was extremely scary for me in a few ways. The area i live in,
is directly, in the middle of everything that went on. I live in
northeastern maryland. About 45 minutes from Washington D.C., and, when we
got the news, from teachers at my high school, that this had happened, it
was extremely grim around school. We also got out of school at 12:15, and
almost had off the next day as well. The town i live in is also right next
to one of the biggest army test grounds in the world, Aberdeen Proving
Ground. So, everyone around aberdeen felt uneasy for the rest of Tuesday,
and some still today. Another scary thing i have to point out is, how, my
father is on a buisness trip, in Los Angeles right now, and, was staying at
the Los Angeles airport, untill, they evacuated the whole entire airport.
Luckily, nothing happened there, and he is fine, but, may not be coming home
on time, because of the Airline situation. So, this situation hit sort of
close to home, with me and my family, but, not nearly as much as the family
of the victims. I feel for everyone, and give them my love, and hope, that
no one, takes this for granted. Thanks for your time.
-Carpe Diem
Cory
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:37:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: terrorist attacks
Message-ID: <m15hdEa-000JltC@mail.interzone.com>
>
> I haven't seen not ONE post about this topic. So i'll just say a few
>things:
>
>My prayers goes to the many victims and their families, and i'm not the
>only non-american to say this, judging from what i have been reading in
>the Symphony X mailing list, the TEoF.
>
I think that the Ytsejammers are in shock from the events
yesterday. I know that I feel alternately nauseous, angry and
disbelieving. Suddenly, talking about your favorite band doesn't
seem so important. Instead we're spending time with our friends
and families and doing things like making appointments at the local
blood bank to contribute what help we can.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:09:25 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: terrorist attacks
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2048@ISDCRE00>
Actually most of the Ytsejammers are set for DIGEST mode, unfortunately.
Single-message mode is instant.
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: schew@interzone.com [SMTP:schew@interzone.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:36 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: terrorist attacks
>
> >
> > I haven't seen not ONE post about this topic. So i'll just say a few
> >things:
> >
> >My prayers goes to the many victims and their families, and i'm not the
> >only non-american to say this, judging from what i have been reading in
> >the Symphony X mailing list, the TEoF.
> >
>
> I think that the Ytsejammers are in shock from the events
> yesterday. I know that I feel alternately nauseous, angry and
> disbelieving. Suddenly, talking about your favorite band doesn't
> seem so important. Instead we're spending time with our friends
> and families and doing things like making appointments at the local
> blood bank to contribute what help we can.
>
> Steve
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:18:58 +1000
From: Luke Bateup <lbateup@bond.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: NY tragedy
Message-ID: <3B9FED62.A0DABF0D@bond.edu.au>
Dear Jammers,
Just to add to Mauricio's email; I would like to express my deepest
condolensces to any Jammers, and indeed any friends and relations to
Jammers, affected by this tragedy from myself and all fellow
Australians. I work at a University where we have just had 600+ American
study abroad students arrive for the beginning of semester last week.
Overnight, the University kicked into action and set up counselling
clinics and free international phone and internet access for the US
students.
Despite the fact that all these horrific events unfolded thousands of
miles away, it has shattered us, just as it has shattered the rest of
the civilised world.
Again, my deepest sympathies to all US Jammers,
-- LUKE BATEUP Bond Media Production Bond University luke_bateup@bond.edu.au +61 7 55954098------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:13:44 +0700 From: "Sigit Prabowo" <tekpps05@bni.co.id> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: USA Under Attack Message-ID: <00a101c13be8$f3802e80$0cca17ac@sigitprabowo>
My deepest sympathy and condolences to all Americans in the Jam. May God give strength to you all to face this terrible disaster. For the first few minutes of the CNN broadcast, I could not believe my own eyes. It was so unreal. Some Indonesians were also confirmed dead. My company's NY office is located not that far from the World Trade Center.
Again, my deepest sympathy.
Sigit Prabowo, Jakarta, Indonesia.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:33:02 -0500 From: "Shadow Mage" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: It's been real, and it's been fun... Message-ID: <F11URj4OsjPS5lihTmh0000c0fe@hotmail.com>
Hello all:
Well, this is my official farewell letter. I no longer have time to read this every day (I over a week behind as it is) with all of my homework and soon-to-be job, so I'm unsubbing. I almost hate to leave, what with the cool music I've found due to this list (Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Iced Earth, the list literally goes on for quite a length), but I also realize that this list isn't what it once was. I hardly ever hear about DT anymore, and half of what is said about OFB is derogatory anyway. Well, best wishes to you all, and I hope that this list someday regains the glory it once had.
Happy Progging!
--96 a.k.a. TSM
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:41:54 -0700 From: "Mark Stahl" <stahl@jps.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Saw this in a news report.... Message-ID: <MABBKODMOCIAFNIIFDNMAEEECDAA.stahl@jps.net>
I don't contribute much but I hadn't seen this yet.....and the funny thing is I just picked up the album today! The following in from a news report....
Mark
The rock band Dream Theater and its record company, EastWest, are contemplating whether to withdraw that group's new album, "Live Scenes From NY," because of similar cover art.
That album, released Tuesday, depicts the World Trade Center towers and the Statue of Liberty engulfed in flames and perched atop an apple draped in barbed wire.
"It's an unfortunate coincidence, an eerie coincidence," said Gihan Salem, a spokeswoman for EastWest, an imprint of Elektra Entertainment under AOL Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Music Group. She said a decision on whether to recall the album would be made in a day or two.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:52:20 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Saw this in a news report.... Message-ID: <3BA01F64.6F476A72@yunque.net>
Where did you get this from? I had read a thread on the MP.com forums about it, but not a news story confirming it...
Mark Stahl wrote:
> I don't contribute much but I hadn't seen this yet.....and the funny thing > is I just picked up the album today! The following in from a news report....
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:57:41 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater scenes? Message-ID: <13d.15870e3.28d17aa5@aol.com>
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In a message dated 9/12/2001 1:54:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hades@psu.edu writes:
>< I've been hearing rumors around here about Scenes From New York being pulled of the shelves because of the tragedy... Anyone have any confirmation? ><
It is in stores, as is Mullmuzzler 2. I now have both.
Since the triple live was released on Tuesday, and was most likely on shelves before anything happened, they didnt pull it. However, I suppose if it was released next week, as it was originally shceduled to, it would've definitely been pulled. They've already postponed the release of an upcoming rap CD with a similar image on the cover.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:21:16 -0700 From: cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Interesting... Message-ID: <3BA0262C.F6338BA2@earthlink.net>
Wonder if this will happen...I think it would be kewl if DT did. http://www.knac.com/servlet/Article_Page?articleID=21592
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:38:01 -0400 From: "Glenn Fitzgerald" <whofooldu@vaix.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Saw this in a news report.... Message-ID: <01ab01c13c05$7d34cd40$aee6703f@metropolis>
http://www.reuters.com/fullstory.jsp?type=entertainmentnews&StoryID=215935
check the article here at Reuters.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez <calfaro@yunque.net>
Where did you get this from? I had read a thread on the MP.com forums about it, but not a news story confirming it...
Mark Stahl wrote:
> I don't contribute much but I hadn't seen this yet.....and the funny thing > is I just picked up the album today! The following in from a news report....
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Interesting... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0109130008120.13861-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, cheryl wrote:
> Wonder if this will happen...I think it would be kewl if DT did. > http://www.knac.com/servlet/Article_Page?articleID=21592
Heh, too bad the grammar in the article was so bad ;)
For those who are too lazy to go to the website, here's the DT-related info:
> Prog-metal heavyweights Dream Theater are considering pulling its new > concert album, Live Scenes From New York due to the artwork. Released > Tuesday, September 11th, the cover portrays the World Trade Center > twin towers, the Statue Of Liberty, and the New York skyline > surrounded by flames. The band's label, EastWest Records, is currently > putting together a plan for how to deal with the mistimed release and > now-questionable artwork in the wake of yesterday's terrorist attacks > and mass destruction in New York. A decision on whether or not to pull > the album from shelves should be made this week.
Of course, that should either say "Prog-metal heavyweight Dream Theater is considering pulling its new concert album," or "Prog-metal heavyweights Dream Theater are considering pulling their new concert album". Can't be mixing case now, can we? :)
Anyway, enough of the grammar lesson. I think that it's a mixed issue. On the one hand, you're trying to put a meaning to something that really isn't there, but on the other, it's such a sensitive issue, considering the date of the release. If I were the band, I'd have a lot of trouble trying to figure out what I was going to do. Thankfully, I'm NOT the band.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:36:36 -0400 From: "Tim Detman" <TimDetman@ematic.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Dream Theater scenes? answer! Message-ID: <NFBBLNEFEPNCDBJOJHBIOEJDCAAA.TimDetman@ematic.com>
>< I've been hearing rumors around here about Scenes From New York being pulled of the shelves because of the tragedy... Anyone have any confirmation?
From dreamtheater.net:
Here is a message from Mike Portnoy written on September 11th, 2001: We are all OK.... We began mixing yesterday in NYC and all went home last night after the sessions. The only people still in NYC this morning are James and Kevin Shirley who are both OK... Our sessions today are obviously cancelled as NYC is sealed shut and we will return to NYC to continue whenever it re-opens.
In regard to the live album's cover art, I can only say that it is a horrible coincidence that we obviously could have never forseen. The timing of the release of the CD happening on the very same day as this tragedy is merely an incredible coincidence. We are currently in discussions with the label as to whether or not we will recall the CD's and replace them with a different cover. Obviously, the recovery of everybody's personal lives here in New York is the first priority
Thank you to all concerned, Mike Portnoy
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:01:35 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Eerie Coincidence Message-ID: <005001c13c21$edf30a80$38aaf094@compaq.net.mx>
Well, i dunno if they pulled it from the shelves.....but i already got sent mine from CDNOW. I found it ironic too.....i recieved the email notification an hour before all the tragic events.
Mauricio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sum WhiteGuy" <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:51 PM Subject: Eerie Coincidence
> I think it's an eerie coincidence that the new live CD > was released the same day as those horrific attacks, > given the cover art. > > Buy it, and crank Disc 2, Track 2 for those affected > by yesterday's tragedy. > > Jon. > > NP: "The Spirit Carries On", Live Scenes From a Memory > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:31:15 +1000 From: "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Aussie Sympathies!! Message-ID: <000d01c13c26$12fed940$cb3836cb@PaulTadday>
There's not much that can be said that hasn't already been said but all of Australia is in deep shock and we all send our deepest condolences and sympathy to all of you guys over there. We have lost alot of Aussies to this horrible incident also. As George W. Bush has said, this affects all of us who live in freedom and democracy, we all share your grief and we all join you in the fight against Terrorism.
LONG LIVE FREEDOM!!
Paul.
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Date: 13 Sep 2001 11:37:38 +0100 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: Thoughts <thoughts2@yahoogroups.com>, Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT in the news Message-ID: <86ofofbclp.fsf@picsel.com>
Dream Theater are mentioned in the news, regarding the cover of their new live album and the World Trade Center tragedy:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/entertainment/showbiz/newsid_1541000/1541671.stm>
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: 13 Sep 2001 14:14:27 -0000 From: fredrik@kilander.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Terrorist attacks on USA Message-ID: <20010913141427.30181.qmail@www3.nameplanet.com>
I would also like to extend my condolances to those affected by this unimaginable act of terror.
A personal thought I had when I watched the WTC towers collapse live - even though I'm not from the US - was: what about the rescue workers; the firefighters and the police officers and the rest of those trying to save the people trapped inside? Hundreds of 'heroes' were killed trying to save other innocents... Sick.
I saw two girls standing next to the main road used to bring rescue workers in and out of 'ground zero' holding posters they had made that said: Thank You, New York's Heroes. Thank you, girls, for being there and giving them the respect they deserve.
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> To: "The 'Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: just wondering..... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010913104713.9621B-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
hey there all, just wondering if anyone knew, in light of everything that's happened, what has become of DT's homepage. i tried to find http://www.dreamtheater.net, but it keeps telling me that the server is down. is Mark Bredius still on the Jam? what's happened to the site?? just thought i'd ask. -eric
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:55:45 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: Eric George <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: just wondering..... Message-ID: <15630586285.20010914005545@optushome.com.au>
EG> just wondering if anyone knew, in light of everything that's EG> happened, what has become of DT's homepage. i tried to find EG> http://www.dreamtheater.net, but it keeps telling me that the server is EG> down. is Mark Bredius still on the Jam? what's happened to the site?? EG> just thought i'd ask.
You already answered your own question, the server is down. Which is the case, you be patient and wait a while....
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:gjboyle@optushome.com.au
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Date: 13 Sep 2001 16:09:03 +0100 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: just wondering..... Message-ID: <86pu8v9lgw.fsf@picsel.com>
Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> writes:
> just wondering if anyone knew, in light of everything that's > happened, what has become of DT's homepage. i tried to find > http://www.dreamtheater.net, but it keeps telling me that the server > is down. is Mark Bredius still on the Jam? what's happened to the > site??
Maybe Mark is busy removing all burning-tower images from the DT web site. Or else maybe this "publicity" has overloaded the web server.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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